Boi racers in Christchurch cont'd

[PrincessBandit]

I was sure someone had posted elsewhere regarding the suggestion of crushing these lovely wee chappies (and chapess's) vehicles but couldn't find it. So hence the new thread.

Was just reading the article about how the boy racers blame Bob Parker for inflaming the situation regarding their hobby of choice, and how this has been used as justification for attacking the police officer.

I laughed out loud at the line which said something like "it is unwise to push them as not every one is adult-minded". Hahahahaha, funniest bollocks I've read for a while. What a great message to put out there to all the rent-a-mob types: be as badass as you like and as long as you're bolshy enough no-one will stand up to you in case we make the situation worse.

Now, let me see if I can think of any groups in society who might like to take advantage of that mentality? Ooooh, have to think hard now.........:msn-wink:

[Dragon]

why do people who drive modded cars instantly get call boy racers. I'm sick of this s**t.
yes I drive a modded car yes I speed on occassion
yes I have made the stupid decision to run from a cop in my car (1.8km) regret doing it in my moment of panic due to never have been involved with police for anything.

yes my car is loud, unslow and far from stock

but I don't go out and rip up my tires, drift, cause damage, attack police, run people over, speed past schools etc.

what is a boy racer anyone got a full definition for it.

[Gremlin]

what is a boy racer anyone got a full definition for it.


why do people who drive modded cars instantly get call boy racers.

:scratch:

..

[The Stranger]

why do people who drive modded cars instantly get call boy racers. I'm sick of this s**t.
yes I drive a modded car yes I speed on occassion


Unfortunately as often happens the few spoil it for the many.
You would think bikers of all people could comprehend that.

[slofox]

what is a boy racer anyone got a full definition for it.

It would seem to be "anybody who annoys someone whilst in a car...."

But round my way it is anyone who wakes me up at 3.00am doing burnouts down the end of the road....oh, and leaving bloody diesel on the road for me to arse off in next day.....

[slofox]

You would think bikers of all people could comprehend that.

You would, wouldn'tcha?

[Skyryder]

On the news tonight they have thrown down the gauntlet to the police. Catch us if you can. Total fuckwits. Not even the gangers are that stupid.


Skyryder

[The Lone Rider]

You know, when I see bikers and motorcyclist misbehaving it's usually at a bike rally and out of public domain. And as long as nobody is getting hurt or upset at rallys then it's all ok. I sat next to an HA on Sunday and despite their rep he left me alone and I left him alone.

Back track to times I've walked home at night.. there has been plenty of times bottles have been thrown at me when I've done nothing but walk down the road.

In fact, a few weeks ago some kids thought it a good idea to start throwing shit out their windows at me while I was on my bike behind them.

I think the bad car enthusiast is more wide spread then the bad bike enthusiast.

And in comparison.. the age difference on average between the two is a good 15-20 years at least right?

[Wingnut]

I sat next to an HA on Sunday and despite their rep he left me alone and I left him alone.


I bet you did. Be a bit stupid to do otherwise.

[Wingnut]

what is a boy racer anyone got a full definition for it.

"Faggot homo try hard racing car driver loser" is a pretty good definition in my mind - not all that accurate though.

[Skyryder]

what is a boy racer anyone got a full definition for it.

The only thing boy racers race off is their hand.




Skyryder

[Oakie]

what is a boy racer anyone got a full definition for it.

Take your pick from here ... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boy+racer
My favourite from a quick scan is this:
Someone who thinks its clever to spend £5,000 tarting up a £50 piece of crap that is one MOT away from the junk yard, fit it with a stereo pumping out more power than the engine, remove the suspension, destroying what little handling ability it had, and a set of wheels that look like rejects for the London Eye. The exhaust must look like it's been robbed off an F15 Eagle. I have yet to find out what mod they do to the drivers seat to make them all drive canted over to the left like their spine is buggered.
followed more succinctly by:
A silly young lad with a rice burner and a small penis.
Suggested usage "Oh look at that *insert shitty Japanese 4 banger*. The driver must have a very small penis".

[AllanB]

The lone Rider speaks wise words.

Last weekends trouble has escalated this to an entirely new criminal level.

I'd like to see the police in there with tear gas and those cool nets that shoot out and tighten around groups of people. Back them up with the army boys if needed and bring on the fire service to hose them down.

A very small number of people have now ruined it for the 90% who enjoy their cars without causing problems.

As a side note I took the kids to the Speedway on Saturday night to see the South Island Sprint Car champs :first: Now it will have been 10 years since I was out there - I'd have to say other than the sprint cars the rest of the lot TQ's, Midgets etc were disappointly quiet - they can restrict the noise from racing cars but appear to be unable to shutup a bunch of loud cars driving on our roads!
The racing cars and side cars running bike engines cracked me up - any group ride of motorcycles in CHCH is usually louder than those race cars!

[The Lone Rider]

I bet you did. Be a bit stupid to do otherwise.

You'd be stupid to bother anyone, full stop. A HA sitting next to me having a smoke doesn't bother me and I'm sure me sitting there in a rain jacket shaking off the dampness didn't bother him.

Do you not go to rallys? Shit hits the fan if you piss someone off, doesn't matter who it is or who their friends are. Sometimes it'll be minor things ie.. someone getting their tent slashed for starting up their bike very very early in the morning. Have seen people wandering around with bandages though. Luckily bikers and motorcyclist alike just want to keep to themselves and their friends and have some fun.

On the other hand.. walk down the street in CHCH at night and you can get pelted with glass for no reason other then you are slower moving then a skyline going down a road.

[Marmoot]

I'm sick of this s**t.

You think you got it hard? Try my stereotype.

Apparently I'm a young male asian middle-class office-working dog-owning motorbicycling Auckland boyracer immigrant. By definition I drive like shit, deserve to be taxed to the bone, and is likely to commit a crime or buy license off a weetbix box (sp? Weetbox bix? Weetbeex?). I might even cut me off accidentally just because I don't look out for myself in my rear view mirror.

Conformist chicken shit society...Just because I'm not a lycra-wearing vegan homosexual parnellians, I don't deserve to be treated less!

[Dragon]

Take your pick from here ... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boy+racer
My favourite from a quick scan is this:
Someone who thinks its clever to spend £5,000 tarting up a £50 piece of crap that is one MOT away from the junk yard, fit it with a stereo pumping out more power than the engine, remove the suspension, destroying what little handling ability it had, and a set of wheels that look like rejects for the London Eye. The exhaust must look like it's been robbed off an F15 Eagle. I have yet to find out what mod they do to the drivers seat to make them all drive canted over to the left like their spine is buggered.
followed more succinctly by:
A silly young lad with a rice burner and a small penis.
Suggested usage "Oh look at that *insert shitty Japanese 4 banger*. The driver must have a very small penis".

my cars not like that and yes i do rev my engine alittle and have music on in the day but if i'm driving through the residental areas i keep my car quiet no music and under 3000revs also I pay $400 a tyre why the hell would I do burn outs. Most boy racers think cops can't drive I can say from expirence they are wrong. yes they can handle the speed as well if not better then you. Also in order to get away you have to do some nuts things and at the end of the day its just not worth risking hurting someone else.

[Skyryder]

Do these guys have a forum simular to KB I'de like to see what they are saying.


Skyryder

[Oakie]

my cars not like that and yes i do rev my engine alittle and have music on in the day but if i'm driving through the residental areas i keep my car quiet no music and under 3000revs also I pay $400 a tyre why the hell would I do burn outs. Most boy racers think cops can't drive I can say from expirence they are wrong. yes they can handle the speed as well if not better then you. Also in order to get away you have to do some nuts things and at the end of the day its just not worth risking hurting someone else.

You'll give boy-racers a bad name carrying on like that. Seriously, if that's the way you go than good on you. Like bikers, I'm sure it's just a small minority that ruin it for the rest.

[Oakie]

Do these guys have a forum simular to KB I'de like to see what they are saying. Skyryder

You could try here http://www.southernskylines.com/ although you'll have to create a login.

[gatch]

why do people who drive modded cars instantly get call boy racers. I'm sick of this s**t.
yes I drive a modded car yes I speed on occassion
yes I have made the stupid decision to run from a cop in my car (1.8km) regret doing it in my moment of panic due to never have been involved with police for anything.

yes my car is loud, unslow and far from stock

but I don't go out and rip up my tires, drift, cause damage, attack police, run people over, speed past schools etc.

what is a boy racer anyone got a full definition for it.

Still being a teenager I guess that makes you a boy at least..

Although I do agree with you, it seems like everyone under 30 who drives a car with non-oem parts is a racer.. And it annoys me that the Peter Brock wannabes in their clubsports are totally ignored..

just out of interest what do you drive ?

[Dragon]

A 900kg bzg levin with 215hp at the wheels, 6k worth of sounds and a bodykit. Car is fully insured rego and wof are current no fines against it, it's n/a handles well is loud but in the legal restrictions everything is certified and I don't go out looking to race.

[Dragon]

Also this is what performance car people are thinking http://forums.performancecar.co.nz/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=54188

[Marmoot]

A 900kg bzg levin with 215hp at the wheels, 6k worth of sounds and a bodykit. Car is fully insured rego and wof are current no fines against it, it's n/a handles well is loud but in the legal restrictions everything is certified and I don't go out looking to race.

Supra with GE -> GTE engine swap, 18" mags, sport suspension. Car fully insured, rego and wof are current (just renewed today too!) no fines against it. It's loud with open air BoV but in the legal restrictions everything is certified.

I should say "We should go for a race sometime eh bro? It's got pod!" but luckily I'm not gay :Pokey:

[PrincessBandit]

nah maties, not every young person who owns a hot car is automatically a 'boy racer'. Sheesh, it's what you do with it that makes you that. Doh.

Just added that comment as there seem to be a few who have taken it a bit to heart.

[Mikkel]

A 900kg bzg levin with 215hp at the wheels, 6k worth of sounds and a bodykit. Car is fully insured rego and wof are current no fines against it, it's n/a handles well is loud but in the legal restrictions everything is certified and I don't go out looking to race.


Supra with GE -> GTE engine swap, 18" mags, sport suspension. Car fully insured, rego and wof are current (just renewed today too!) no fines against it. It's loud with open air BoV but in the legal restrictions everything is certified.

I should say "We should go for a race sometime eh bro? It's got pod!" but luckily I'm not gay :Pokey:

Fuck what you are driving - do you wear a baseball cap while you do it?

[Marmoot]

Fuck what you are driving - do you wear a baseball cap while you do it?

Asians don't need caps. Our eyes are slanted it's hard enough to see through them.

[Marmoot]

nah maties, not every young person who owns a hot car is automatically a 'boy racer'. Sheesh, it's what you do with it that makes you that. Doh.

Just added that comment as there seem to be a few who have taken it a bit to heart.

Unfortunately, not by what the grey powers are saying everywhere else, though.

The truth is out there.

Personally, though, I don't really like X Files. It's 2 Xs short.

[Dragon]

Supra with GE -> GTE engine swap, 18" mags, sport suspension. Car fully insured, rego and wof are current (just renewed today too!) no fines against it. It's loud with open air BoV but in the legal restrictions everything is certified.

I should say "We should go for a race sometime eh bro? It's got pod!" but luckily I'm not gay :Pokey:

maybe we should go pull up outside a police station and do some burnouts to, that will show those pigs who's boss then lets do a high speed chase.

Sorry to all officers that read this I'm being sarcastic I know you are just trying to do your job and that there are people who are bigger idiots then me.

Marmoot sounds like you love your car as much as I love mine try not to get into to much trouble in it ok keep safe man.

[Marmoot]

Marmoot sounds like you love your car as much as I love mine try not to get into to much trouble in it ok keep safe man.

Meh, cars suck. I'd prefer my red one :whistle:


And, Hitcher, "Meh" is now an actual word!

[AllanB]

Funny thing here.

If at almost 44, I theoritically :rolleyes:happen to take my Hornet out the back of Oxford and wind it out to something extremely illegal I'm just a "nutter on a motorcycle".

[lostinflyz]

A 900kg bzg levin with 215hp at the wheels, 6k worth of sounds and a bodykit. Car is fully insured rego and wof are current no fines against it, it's n/a handles well is loud but in the legal restrictions everything is certified and I don't go out looking to race.

in that statement i find things dubious. i know 6 grands worth of stereo equipment weighs the same as a small fuel tanker. but relistically prob about 100 kg. which means your levin is now 800 kg. and. and thats quite a drop in the curb weight. but its possible.

from there you say it handles well. i recently made my car handle well. it cost a fortune (i.e. i should have just bought another car type fortune). then you say you have full insurance. Now as a youthful type i know the price of full insurance even with simple suspension upgrades (i raised my car cause an farking idiot lowered it something idiotic).why we have to go get special insurance for a car with what equates to a bike having ohlins suspenders confuses me.

All these are possible but only a select few of nz's wealther(or the type gaining debt at a rate certain to ruin the world) can afford to do all those things. which you may be one of either (im joining the rnzaf now). but im suspcious now.

but anyway. Now im all for idiotic acts that do no harm and arent of annoyance. between 10 and 8 do as you wish. Have a loud exhaust (big exhuasts are for homos). do a burnout (energy conversion as good as a harley). but after that the car goes home and into a garage (just like a bike). Dont go drive around all town all night with you stupid huge exhuast. Dont do a burnout. Dont fucking rev your engine. its arogant and pointless. and its fucking annoying.

Why do boi (learn to spell) racers think that breaking the law is ok just cause no one gets hurt?? I speed (which can be dangerous and i try not to be, but the gov't policy on speed is shite,therefore i speed). i may do a wheelie. i may do a burnout. but i do it so as NOT to piss off people. but if i get snapped i get snapped and i take it cause its the law and lifes a bitch. i dont start thinking i know better and dont have to listen. I don't encourage people to piss others off.

I know alot of that sounds subjective but i think the world should have the intelligence to know right (ish) from wrong. if you cant figure out that then you deserve to be shot. If you follow the rules then you are not a boy racer (well kinda). But you have said you didn't. you say you dont. and that makes ye a boy racer

[Marmoot]

i know 6 grands worth of stereo equipment weighs the same as a small fuel tanker.
Not necessarily. A good head unit can cost up to $1000, add $500ish to that if you want a screen. Amp can cost up to $1000, and the rest is install, sound deadening, and well-designed cabling. Plus capacitors etc. Easily get to $6k at much less than 50kg.


from there you say it handles well. i recently made my car handle well. it cost a fortune
Not necessarily. A good suspension specifically made for the car model by a good brand (HKS, etc) may cost only $2000 for a levin. Even less if you know where to get a bargain for the same brand. And it does improve handling from the standard (and most likely old and worn) suspensions.


then you say you have full insurance. Now as a youthful type i know the price of full insurance even with simple suspension upgrades
Sounds like your insurance cost an arm and a leg. Who do you work with? My insurer wouldn't even charge me a dime more when I told them the suspension is aftermarket adjustable and lowered.


All these are possible but only a select few of nz's wealther(or the type gaining debt at a rate certain to ruin the world) can afford to do all those things. which you may be one of either (im joining the rnzaf now).
My car is worth in the upwards of $25k but I don't owe a cent to the bank. Private sectors (and I mean legal ones) pay quite well if you know where to work :) but you gotta work like you mean it and sometimes do things you don't exactly like to do (e.g., "my work sucks but I gotta keep it anyway")


Have a loud exhaust (big exhuasts are for homos).
Larger diameter exhaust pipes improve gas flow and is beneficial especially to a forced-induction engines. On the other side, changing mufflers is similar to motorbicyclers who chose to put Akrapovic/Arrow/TBR/Leo Vince/etc exhausts on their bikes. There are obviously some exceptions to those who choose these based simply on loudness, but for the others there are indeed performance and aesthetics aspects to consider. Your stereotyping here seems to be based on a bigoted and narrow perspective.


Why do boi (learn to spell) racers think that breaking the law is ok just cause no one gets hurt?? I speed (which can be dangerous and i try not to be, but the gov't policy on speed is shite,therefore i speed). i may do a wheelie. i may do a burnout. but i do it so as NOT to piss off people. but if i get snapped i get snapped and i take it cause its the law and lifes a bitch. i dont start thinking i know better and dont have to listen.
You're contradicting yourself here. And if you don't think you know better, how do you know you're not pissing off people (and the correct term is "pissing people off")?


If you follow the rules then you are not a boy racer (well kinda)
Unfortunately the focus of the NZ world is now on every driver of modified cars (which are not European-made, Holdens, or Fords) to be branded derogatorily as "boyracer"; in a similar way we motorbicyclers are 99% branded derogatorily as being part of a gang, rides irresponsibly, or breaking the law, and that despite us being 15kms under the speed limit cladded with full leathers and helmets on a perfectly legal brand new 50cc scooter on the left hand side of the road WITH A GODDAMN FULL LICENSE!

FUCK YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU FUCKING NZ HERALD READER BIGOT BASTARD!

[slofox]

I thought this might be appropriate for a boy racer thread...if you've seen it before, don't look...

[Mikkel]

And fuck me if it (http://www.stuff.co.nz/4837141a11.html) doesn't just get better and better - watch out die waffen SS, coming soon to a sub-urban street near you.

:corn:

[ManDownUnder]

yeah... but...

If someone's not breaking the law then who cares if you get pulled over by the cops? Just like on a bike - I don't give a shit. If the cops want me to stop - I stop. Doesn't matter if Im in a modded car, on a loud bike or driving a f'n hovercraft. The priciple's the same.

I'm totally in support of the cops keeping me and mine safe and if it means I have to take 5 mins out of my day every now and then it's a totally acceptable price.

In private property then yeah - do what you like... but bring on the road isn't a God given right. And abusing that privilege is the perfect way to lose it. Any tosser speeding past my front gate in a manner that's dangerous or constantly annoying will get my ire. Anyone pouring diesel on the road or doing burnouts or... any of the other stupid stuff deserves what they get.

And anyone STUPID enough to pull a gun on the police?... then react to the police escalating it by issuing more threats??? Call the f'n army.

[Marmoot]

And fuck me if it (http://www.stuff.co.nz/4837141a11.html) doesn't just get better and better - watch out die waffen SS, coming soon to a sub-urban street near you.

:corn:

What are those waffen SS in asian-made cars? With their race supremacy philosophy, they should've been in BMWs and Audis, or Beetles.

[ducatilover]

A 900kg bzg levin with 215hp at the wheels, 6k worth of sounds and a bodykit. Car is fully insured rego and wof are current no fines against it, it's n/a handles well is loud but in the legal restrictions everything is certified and I don't go out looking to race.

how did you strip 160kg out of your bzg levin yet still have sounds and kit? and 215hp [160kw] at the wheels from an n/a silvertop?
sounds magic too me.

now on topic, i would assume boyracers are young boys out on the streets racing people. loud car does not equal boy racer nor does big wheels. boy racers are twats

[Dragon]

how did you strip 160kg out of your bzg levin yet still have sounds and kit? and 215hp [160kw] at the wheels from an n/a silvertop?
sounds magic too me.

now on topic, i would assume boyracers are young boys out on the streets racing people. loud car does not equal boy racer nor does big wheels. boy racers are twats

First it's a blacktop and I purchased the car in that condition minus the sounds took it to a dyno and a weigh station. Honestly I don't care if you beleive it or not my car is always underestimated. Plus it makes me happy so yeah insurance is $1800 a year and my excess is $1000.

[The Lone Rider]

And fuck me if it (http://www.stuff.co.nz/4837141a11.html) doesn't just get better and better - watch out die waffen SS, coming soon to a sub-urban street near you.

:corn:

Hope this isn't commenting to far out, but I notice bike clubs and car people who are very troublesome tend to be also a type to militantly stick to their own skin color or similar.

[lostinflyz]

Not necessarily. A good head unit can cost up to $1000, add $500ish to that if you want a screen. Amp can cost up to $1000, and the rest is install, sound deadening, and well-designed cabling. Plus capacitors etc. Easily get to $6k at much less than 50kg.


Not necessarily. A good suspension specifically made for the car model by a good brand (HKS, etc) may cost only $2000 for a levin. Even less if you know where to get a bargain for the same brand. And it does improve handling from the standard (and most likely old and worn) suspensions.


Sounds like your insurance cost an arm and a leg. Who do you work with? My insurer wouldn't even charge me a dime more when I told them the suspension is aftermarket adjustable and lowered.


My car is worth in the upwards of $25k but I don't owe a cent to the bank. Private sectors (and I mean legal ones) pay quite well if you know where to work :) but you gotta work like you mean it and sometimes do things you don't exactly like to do (e.g., "my work sucks but I gotta keep it anyway")


Larger diameter exhaust pipes improve gas flow and is beneficial especially to a forced-induction engines. On the other side, changing mufflers is similar to motorbicyclers who chose to put Akrapovic/Arrow/TBR/Leo Vince/etc exhausts on their bikes. There are obviously some exceptions to those who choose these based simply on loudness, but for the others there are indeed performance and aesthetics aspects to consider. Your stereotyping here seems to be based on a bigoted and narrow perspective.


You're contradicting yourself here. And if you don't think you know better, how do you know you're not pissing off people (and the correct term is "pissing people off")?


Unfortunately the focus of the NZ world is now on every driver of modified cars (which are not European-made, Holdens, or Fords) to be branded derogatorily as "boyracer"; in a similar way we motorbicyclers are 99% branded derogatorily as being part of a gang, rides irresponsibly, or breaking the law, and that despite us being 15kms under the speed limit cladded with full leathers and helmets on a perfectly legal brand new 50cc scooter on the left hand side of the road WITH A GODDAMN FULL LICENSE!

FUCK YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU FUCKING NZ HERALD READER BIGOT BASTARD!

why oh my your as grumpy as i am.

A stock levin doth not handle. so shocks and springs is pretty limited.

and yes a car may be fitted with 6 grand worth of entertainment and tv screens that weigh less than 100kg. but that is called an entertainment centre. and belongs in a lounge. hmmm i guess it kinda already is.

while larger diameter exhaust pipes is beneficial (to a point) a properly designed system does not require pipe diameters similar to that used to transfer gas for entire nations across continents. That being said i am a large fan of nice noises. I like nice noises at large volumes. large exhausts have never made a nice noise (4 cyinder jap. family sedans do not make nice noises. no family sedans do.)

The correct term for pissing off people is pissing off people, as pissing people off is merely the same words rearranged with an identical meaning.

You may have a friendly insurer person. you are lucky. I hope they are nice when you need to claim. I am with NAC as most insurers wont touch a car with anymoney spent on it, and will deny your claim if they find it as such. I was nearly caught out but this one with some people saying it all good but it not being so.

but either way you speak of me as a bigoted bastard. i take that as a compliment. but a NZ herald reader. You bastard!

[Dragon]

[QUOTE=lostinflyz;1920524]why oh my your as grumpy as i am.

A stock levin doth not handle. so shocks and springs is pretty limited.

My levin is not stock and ud be surprised how well stock levins can handle half the time its the driver not the car also my car has far from stock suspension I have no body roll.

[Marmoot]

also my car has far from stock suspension I have no body roll.

That's normal. Levins can only go below 60kph so normally have a very low body roll :Pokey:

They're 2 cylinders short :chase:

[Marmoot]

now on topic, i would assume boyracers are young boys out on the streets racing people. loud car does not equal boy racer nor does big wheels. boy racers are twats

If only life is that simple, mate.

The Phantom Expander! (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10555035)

And that is why we automotive enthusiasts are so pissed off right now. Ride/drive/be in anything that is not a Prius/Holden/Ford/Camry and you get labeled as an outlaw.

[98tls]

If only life is that simple, mate.

The Phantom Expander! (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10555035)

And that is why we automotive enthusiasts are so pissed off right now. Ride/drive/be in anything that is not a Prius/Holden/Ford/Camry and you get labeled as an outlaw.
By who?the media?if so why care?

[Marmoot]

By who?the media?if so why care?

It's called trial by media. Media incites people, people demand government action, the next day you can kiss your akrapovic/arrow cans goodbye as govt bans vehicle modification.

We live among 4 million sheeps who can't think of themselves and are happy to shoot themselves on their own foot. Don't believe me? Check out who voted for the labour govt who almost banned lightbulbs and good showers.

[98tls]

It's called trial by media. Media incites people, people demand government action, the next day you can kiss your akrapovic/arrow cans goodbye as govt bans vehicle modification.

We live among 4 million sheeps who can't think of themselves and are happy to shoot themselves on their own foot. Don't believe me? Check out who voted for the labour govt who almost banned lightbulbs and good showers. Xactly,you really belived that load of nonsense about the showers?The cops dont give a fuck what brand of car you do or do not drive there interest is aroused only by how you chose to drive it.

[Dragon]

Xactly,you really belived that load of nonsense about the showers?The cops dont give a fuck what brand of car you do or do not drive there interest is aroused only by how you chose to drive it.

Yeah I agree my car has gotten no looks at by police until the recent media coverage and now I'm targeted more.

[Marmoot]

Yeah I agree my car has gotten no looks at by police until the recent media coverage and now I'm targeted more.

It's not the cop I'm worried about. It's the Phantom Expander.

[gatch]

Larger diameter exhaust pipes improve gas flow and is beneficial especially to a forced-induction engines.

On the other side, changing mufflers is similar to motorbicyclers who chose to put Akrapovic/Arrow/TBR/Leo Vince/etc exhausts on their bikes. There are obviously some exceptions to those who choose these based simply on loudness, but for the others there are indeed performance and aesthetics aspects to consider.

silencers/mufflers of larger internal diameter piping than the preceding plumbing, yield fuck all to no performance gain, aesthetic only, the only advantage over stock is they are a straight through design rather than being multi chambered, you can still have a performance system that is relatively quiet, bmw has this down pat, also the average 4cyl car will sound like any other 4cyl no matter how big and shiny the muffler is, where as bikes actually sound good, biased yes, but i give not a rats ass

[gammaguy]

christchurch is so bloody boring,no wonder they have so many boy racers,and all the controversy is exactly what they seek.

We have plenty of laws already in place to deal with bad driving,littering,speeding.intoxication,calling policemen naughty names etc.

its up the the enforcers to enforce them.

compulsory vehicle insurance and driver training would be a good start IMO

[wbks]

Yeah I agree my car has gotten no looks at by police until the recent media coverage and now I'm targeted more.Maybe you won't run from the cops or speed so much now then. Seriously; saying you have ran from the cops, and speed but aren't a boy racer isn't really a good angle, it sounds like what a boy racer would so... Whats so bad with these laws for you? They aren't going to confiscate your car because it sounds a little louder or has big rim's, so just don't do stupid shit and you'll be fine

[Pixie]

what is a boy racer anyone got a full definition for it.

AJS 7R :

The AJS 7R was a 350 cc racing motorcycle built from 1948 to 1963 by Associated Motor Cycles, also known as the ‘Boy Racer’, first won victories for the factory, and then went on to win races for privateers when made generally available from 1954.

[ducatilover]

First it's a blacktop and I purchased the car in that condition minus the sounds took it to a dyno and a weigh station. Honestly I don't care if you beleive it or not my car is always underestimated. Plus it makes me happy so yeah insurance is $1800 a year and my excess is $1000.

ok its a black top, my mistake. how did you manage to get that much power from it in n/a form? [seriously, im not picking at you] last black top i had on the dyno here made 101kw atw with a catback and a pointless pod. i have seen 112kw atw with some work done but thats an unlexible motor when its pushing that much [different trumpets, no airbox, wide-band oxy sensor a complete remap thanks to me and all your host of normal mods, head decked and flowed cams etc] pm me details as im quite interested, n\a power is fun!

[ducatilover]

If only life is that simple, mate.

The Phantom Expander! (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10555035)

And that is why we automotive enthusiasts are so pissed off right now. Ride/drive/be in anything that is not a Prius/Holden/Ford/Camry and you get labeled as an outlaw.

its a hopeless cause, i got labled a boyracer when i had my galant vr4, i brought it with a noisy system on it and then hey the police loved me and older people thought i was a knob because my car was growling and sneezing:angry2:

[Marmoot]

its a hopeless cause, i got labled a boyracer when i had my galant vr4, i brought it with a noisy system on it and then hey the police loved me and older people thought i was a knob because my car was growling and sneezing:angry2:

That's it....I'm putting a Holden badge on mine.

[Dragon]

Maybe you won't run from the cops or speed so much now then. Seriously; saying you have ran from the cops, and speed but aren't a boy racer isn't really a good angle, it sounds like what a boy racer would so... Whats so bad with these laws for you? They aren't going to confiscate your car because it sounds a little louder or has big rim's, so just don't do stupid shit and you'll be fine

I listened to some bad advice from a friend which is why my first police encounter went bad.

[ducatilover]

That's it....I'm putting a Holden badge on mine.

beware it may grow pushrods mate:girlfight:

[barty5]

beware it may grow pushrods mate:girlfight:

nothing wrong with push rods help my 6liter move quite well.

[The Lone Rider]

I listened to some bad advice from a friend which is why my first police encounter went bad.

Isn't that just it though? Boy racers listen and make bad advice where a mature and rational adult will think clearer and possibly make better decisions

[Edbear]

..

but I don't go out and rip up my tires, drift, cause damage, attack police, run people over, speed past schools etc.

what is a boy racer anyone got a full definition for it.

There may be a clue...

[ducatilover]

nothing wrong with push rods help my 6liter move quite well.

haha i know i was just being smart :yes:

[barty5]

Personaly i like the line they use i paid $2000 for da car and ive spent $25000 onit yeh its worth bout $30000 now hahahahahaa dream on its still a $2000 piece a shit 9 times out 10.
really like the guys that come in with next to no springs or the guy that keeps comin back with his bwm with honda rear spring that fall out as sooon as you lift it off the ground, And he wonders why his last ccar ( same set up ) bounced off the road in to a tree on a corner a real dumb arse.

[FJRider]

I think the bad car enthusiast is more wide spread then the bad bike enthusiast.

And in comparison.. the age difference on average between the two is a good 15-20 years at least right?

You seem to forget, or do not realise, under the current "Boy racer" regulations/laws, motorcyclists can be prosecuted.

[ducatilover]

Personaly i like the line they use i paid $2000 for da car and ive spent $25000 onit yeh its worth bout $30000 now hahahahahaa dream on its still a $2000 piece a shit 9 times out 10.
really like the guys that come in with next to no springs or the guy that keeps comin back with his bwm with honda rear spring that fall out as sooon as you lift it off the ground, And he wonders why his last ccar ( same set up ) bounced off the road in to a tree on a corner a real dumb arse.

thats always quite amusing. cefiro drift car ow coz its got cutties and shit bro....
yeah keyword is shit:laugh:

[gatch]

Case in point, my flatmate..

He has a tx3 laser, 1800 twin cam fwd, noisy exhaust and "sport" clutch are the only mods, apparently its faster than any vtec honda (integra-R included), as fast as most turbo 2L cars, and will out handle just about anything on the road :whistle:

When he talks about it, he uses engine sounds more than words, also says "fuckin mean" quite a bit, talks about his driving skills like he is Ayrton Senna re-incarnated, that cops are power-tripping dick-heads and he hasn't deserved any of his tickets, and the reason he got PD for all his driving offences is cause "da juj got it in for me"..

fuckin mean

[The Lone Rider]

You seem to forget, or do not realise, under the current "Boy racer" regulations/laws, motorcyclists can be prosecuted.

That has nothing to do with it.

When do you see large groups of people on bikes doing burn outs and throwing bottles and all sorts.

[ducatilover]

Case in point, my flatmate..

He has a tx3 laser, 1800 twin cam fwd, noisy exhaust and "sport" clutch are the only mods, apparently its faster than any vtec honda (integra-R included), as fast as most turbo 2L cars, and will out handle just about anything on the road :whistle:

When he talks about it, he uses engine sounds more than words, also says "fuckin mean" quite a bit, talks about his driving skills like he is Ayrton Senna re-incarnated, that cops are power-tripping dick-heads and he hasn't deserved any of his tickets, and the reason he got PD for all his driving offences is cause "da juj got it in for me"..

fuckin mean
did this chap go to u.c.o.l last year? i knew a guy who had one and wow it was amazing [aparently] the last laser 1.8 i saw dynoed 78fwkw, non-standard. and a dc2 type R generally does the 123kw mark......just because people dont like hondas doesnt mean they are slow [for a n/a toy]
:clap: go the laser:bleh:

[gatch]

yeah i think so, dont get me wrong he's a pretty nice guy.. just i dont think hes ever actually felt any kind of vehicle going silly fast..

any r type hoonda is pretty quick, and handle pretty well, lots of dudes get them as a first track car..

[ducatilover]

type r hondas do tend to be decent for what they are, and tthey are easy to drive quick and generally very forgiving, i drove an ep3 type r last year and that went alright and was the best handling fwd i have driven. only problem was the torque steer :argh::woohoo:

[GaZBur]

Question about boy racers.
Why do you think they actually don't race cars? You know - in competitions like?

1. Not enough skills
2. Not enough guts
3. Cars not fast enough to cut it on the track.
4. Cars not safe enough for the track
5. Too scared that they will be shown up as "all noise and no trousers"
6. Not allowed to race on a track while drinking.
7. People who watch real races aren't impressed by dorks doing burnouts
8. All of the above.

If there is a motorcycle version of boy racers they don't turn up to track days.

[Dragon]

type r hondas do tend to be decent for what they are, and tthey are easy to drive quick and generally very forgiving, i drove an ep3 type r last year and that went alright and was the best handling fwd i have driven. only problem was the torque steer :argh::woohoo:

My car eats hondas for breakfast.

Main reason I don't go to track days is because of the cost of tyres.

[ducatilover]

Question about boy racers.
Why do you think they actually don't race cars? You know - in competitions like?

1. Not enough skills
2. Not enough guts
3. Cars not fast enough to cut it on the track.
4. Cars not safe enough for the track
5. Too scared that they will be shown up as "all noise and no trousers"
6. Not allowed to race on a track while drinking.
7. People who watch real races aren't impressed by dorks doing burnouts
8. All of the above.

If there is a motorcycle version of boy racers they don't turn up to track days.

some boy racers do have exceptionally fast cars. but the ones that turned up to manfeild the other week for the mag and turbo day were not very competent apart from a select few. not all of them are shit, but they shit drivers try too hard and thats why they are shit.:spanking: its the majority of these twats who do not know the limit of their vehicle OR what to do once the limit is passed, and i noticed 98% of them dont drive smooth, in turn over loading their suspension, tyres and the chassis capability.
they stick rubber bands on their rims and stretch them "coz its mean ow bro" and this depletes their scrub radius, turning into understeer and potential snap over steer. lowering their vehicles incorrectly means damping rates are not matched properly, there is a reason an evo 7 was set up like it was and king springs and shortened shocks will NOT make it better. dont get me started on cut springs...:nono::nono::nono:

[ducatilover]

My car eats hondas for breakfast.

my honda eats hondas. what kind of quarter do you run in your car?:first:

[Dragon]

I havn't run one yet would love to see how fast it does it though. I drive my car hard but I bet there will be someone that can get more out of it then I can. Actually I need to clean it make it shiny again and I need to get the rims re power coated. ( never let your mate thats used to his 4wd drive your lowered car he trys to back over gutters scrape went my rims :crybaby:)

[ducatilover]

i think you have the most powerfull n/a 4age in new zealand from memory. im trying to remember how grunty the last cammed black top i dynoed was. somewhere in the 130kw area i think:shit: nutty for an n/a 1600

[peasea]

I was sure someone had posted elsewhere regarding the suggestion of crushing these lovely wee chappies (and chapess's) vehicles but couldn't find it. So hence the new thread.

Was just reading the article about how the boy racers blame Bob Parker for inflaming the situation regarding their hobby of choice, and how this has been used as justification for attacking the police officer.

I laughed out loud at the line which said something like "it is unwise to push them as not every one is adult-minded". Hahahahaha, funniest bollocks I've read for a while. What a great message to put out there to all the rent-a-mob types: be as badass as you like and as long as you're bolshy enough no-one will stand up to you in case we make the situation worse.

Now, let me see if I can think of any groups in society who might like to take advantage of that mentality? Ooooh, have to think hard now.........:msn-wink:

The police??

[noobi]

I know for a fact that certain cars attract the police better than others
When dad and i were out driving the fast car, R32 GTR 600~ hp ohlins shocks, exhaust, tyres, wheels, brakes, cage, race seats and harnesses etc, we got pulled over for driving at 50 in a 50 zone, we know they didn't have the radar on because the radar detector didn't go mental
Conversation went something like

'Hello you driving a bit fast there sir?' Mr police
'I'm pretty sure its a 50 k zone!' dad
backtrack blah blah blah

The skyline is a cop magnet, they just see it as a boi racer car because its a skyline not knowing that its a rarity and worth about 8 times as much as a boi racer skyline, and they normally double take when they see dad in the seat and not some 16 yo on his restricted

And ftw Honda v-tecs are very competitive in the right hands, we were at the Ruakaka Street Sprint, wow legal street racing, and the same Honda v-tec driven by two different people took 2nd and 3rd, only losing by not much too our other skyline mate, who almost won super lap at puke

[Marmoot]

From philosophical point of view, let's consider this:

The Police and Boyracers have been around for ages. They hate each other, and skirmishes happened every now and then.
Then one day the Boyracers decided to attack the Police. A shooting happened. All of a sudden the Police decided to retaliate back. Then the Boyracers threatened more actions, and Police threatened more actions.

Swap the Police and Boyracers in the sentences above with "Mongrel Mobs" and "Black Power" and you'll have a perfect gang vs gang story. Honest!

[gatch]

Swap the Police and Boyracers in the sentences above with "Mongrel Mobs" and "Black Power" and you'll have a perfect gang vs gang story. Honest!

that's just ridiculous, the cops are here to look after us, would you call the the mob if your car had been broken into, no, they'd fuck you up as soon as you opened the door, fool

[Sketchy_Racer]

My car eats hondas for breakfast.

Main reason I don't go to track days is because of the cost of tyres.

So what is the point in owning a high performance vehicle if you are not going to use it where is should be used, at a track!! That's like me saying I have my Race GSXR600 with Kit ECU, full titanium system, Shaved head, Cams, Power Commander, full ohlins suspension Making a trillion more horsepower than a stock GSXR600 and then riding it round at 50KPH in the streets looking like a dickhead with my bike bouncing and farting all over the show because it is not being used in the environment it was designed to be used.


I havn't run one yet would love to see how fast it does it though. I drive my car hard but I bet there will be someone that can get more out of it then I can. Actually I need to clean it make it shiny again and I need to get the rims re power coated. ( never let your mate thats used to his 4wd drive your lowered car he trys to back over gutters scrape went my rims :crybaby:)

So where do you drive it hard? On a public road I guess, because apparently you can't afford the tyres for track days. What gives you the qualifications to drive your car 'hard' on the road. Let me guess mum and dad taught you how to drive, you did the bullshit driving course where basically if you don't crash or run anyone over you will pass (or if your a chick have big knockers) But now you have a good car so you must be a weapon driver. I think not. Take it to the race track and I bet you $10 that a driver in a stock old school AE86 will run rings around you.

Now don't get me wrong, be passionate about your car it is your hobbie and just because you own a modified Japanese car doesn't mean you are a 'boy racer', but use it in the right places. I love my bikes and if I had the money I would own a very very modified over powered bike for the road, but I can guarantee you that it would see the track more often than the road.





From philosophical point of view, let's consider this:

The Police and Boyracers have been around for ages. They hate each other, and skirmishes happened every now and then.
Then one day the Boyracers decided to attack the Police. A shooting happened. All of a sudden the Police decided to retaliate back. Then the Boyracers threatened more actions, and Police threatened more actions.

Swap the Police and Boyracers in the sentences above with "Mongrel Mobs" and "Black Power" and you'll have a perfect gang vs gang story. Honest!

That is one of the worst comparisons I have ever read. Relating the people that are out there to protect us and keep the communities safe with those that are out there to rebel and create havoc. You sound like a good dude, but that's pretty shocking!

[JMemonic]

I know for a fact that certain cars attract the police better than others
When dad and i were out driving the fast car, R32 GTR 600~ hp ohlins shocks, exhaust, tyres, wheels, brakes, cage, race seats and harnesses etc, we got pulled over for driving at 50 in a 50 zone, we know they didn't have the radar on because the radar detector didn't go mental
Conversation went something like

The skyline is a cop magnet,
<SNIP>



The R32 is the cop magnet because some many "car enthusiasts" own them, and spend fortunes on them to get the weight down and the bhp up for what? The speed limit is 100Kph standard they are capable of over that. Why do you need a car that is non functional in the sense there is more power than you can ever use, its not like its a tow car or on a race track its the public street ffs. Skylines the clitoris of cars.

[Marmoot]

That is one of the worst comparisons I have ever read. Relating the people that are out there to protect us and keep the communities safe with those that are out there to rebel and create havoc.

I'm not comparing the police and the mob from that perspective. Read again my post. I'm just highlighting the "mob mentality" adopted by our dear lawmakers and government officials. Retaliatory police action. Pah! Call that mature.

[GaZBur]

I'm not comparing the police and the mob from that perspective. Read again my post. I'm just highlighting the "mob mentality" adopted by our dear lawmakers and government officials. Retaliatory police action. Pah! Call that mature.
The other option to retaliatory is to roll over and let them do what they like when they like i suppose.
It came as a shock to innocent (drunk and stupid) students in Dunedin that although they didn't throw bottles at police themselves they were batten charged because they were in the same group. If you are in a group that corners a policeman in the execution of his duties - get out if you don't want "retaliatory action" taken against you. It would seem obvious that this is going to escalate now, I just hope no innocent heads get busted on either side before it calms down again.

[Marmoot]

The other option to retaliatory is to roll over and let them do what they like when they like i suppose.

The other option is consistent law enforcement. The law should apply from day one until it is changed, not just when the police "feels like it".

[GaZBur]

The other option is consistent law enforcement. The law should apply from day one until it is changed, not just when the police "feels like it".
True. New laws are not required as this surely is a sitter for the Unlawfull assebly act.

An unlawful assembly is . . .

“. . . an assembly of three or more persons who, with intent to carry out a common purpose, assemble in such a manner, or so conduct themselves when assembled as to cause persons in the neighbourhood to fear, on reasonable grounds, (that violence against person or property) will occur”.

http://www.netlaw.co.nz/crime.cfm?PageID=482

[Indiana_Jones]

I've read a few posts on the herald 'your views' section.

A few of the boy racers are saying pretty much 'look what we did to one cop for trying to break us up. Try and crush our cars and it won't be an air rifle that shoots next time...'

So they're turning to terrorism to get what want....

-Indy

[imdying]

I've read a few posts on the herald 'your views' section.Ya know, someone with an interest in causing mischief could have a lot of fun on there, fanning the flames :whistle:

[Indiana_Jones]

Ya know, someone with an interest in causing mischief could have a lot of fun on there, fanning the flames :whistle:

Hey man, it's true, it's on the interwebZ!

-Indy

[peasea]

that's just ridiculous, the cops are here to look after us, would you call the the mob if your car had been broken into, no, they'd fuck you up as soon as you opened the door, fool


The only reason I'd call the cops for a burg' is get the paperwork sorted for the insurance company. They really don't give a shit about your goods getting ripped off, they just roll their eyes and go through the motions. The chances of catching the scumbags that rip off cars and houses (or bikes for that matter) is pretty slim. Seriously, they go to far more trouble persuing a speeding ticket fine coz there's a buck at the end of the exercise.

[Marmoot]

True. New laws are not required as this surely is a sitter for the Unlawfull assebly act.

My favourite quote from Star Wars Episode III:
"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause."

[GaZBur]

My favourite quote from Star Wars Episode III:
"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause."

Don't worry, NZ seems to have an equal balance of Civil Libertarians, Right Wing hardliners and Anarchists with the huge majority of the population in the middle.(me inclided)
There is no such thing as true liberty, where on earth would anyone get that crazy idea from, certainly least of all from the self-proclaimed "land of the free". Just so long as we don't go down thier road - homeland security, NSA, four differnt versions of Police etc we should be OK.

[batboy]

I have a lot to say on this topic, as it really gets my blood going i tell ya, so i will try keep it short(ish)

I am a "boy" racer as so labled by society and my peers, i am 27, i am furthering my education as we speak, i have never robbed/raped/killed or committed any crime except in a car, i own a highly modified turbo honda, 400hp that is road legal and that (when its going) i race trackdays at ruapuna, this car has cost me so much in time and money its unbelievable.This car has had no corners cut in the afety area, it handles like a track car stops on a dime and is safer than most cars out there. i also own a ducati monster as a commuter.

Now i have been pulled over by police on countless occasions and harrassed for no reason, and other times for doing various "illegal" activities such as accellerating (omfg how dare i),and i tell you what, im suprised that there has not been more incidents of police getting the bash, or riots by "boyracers" yet.
The police goad them into hitting back, by fining them for anything they can, i mean ffs i have been given fines for the stupidist shit you would not believe, such as having my foglights(yellow ones) on with my headlights at night (yes there is a law about it but come on, it was foggy, but no foggy enough to pc plod), did anyone ever stop to think why these kids have stupid amounts of fines? its cause the police think fines will fix the problem.

The police in christchuch are no longer worried about anyother crime at the moment except boyracers, case in point all the bashings/stabbings going on here at the mo, i saw this first hand whilst out in my car, after filling up from the mobil on bealy ave, waiting to head back on the road i was surrounded by a group of around ten skyine lovers who were very keen to bottle/smash in me and my car, now its just me and the missus in the car so numbers not in my favour so i shoot the gap into traffic to get away, yes my tires broke traction, no it was not excessive (400hp fwd at full noise in first gets nowhere fast) oh and look flashing lights behind, so i pull over hoping that the skyline lovers may get a talking to, but no even after they threw bottles in mine and the cops direction, i drive away with $800 worth of fines, and the skyline bunch continue their antics for hours, funny thing is i told the cop what happend and why i did what i did and he did not care, two weeks later someone got stabbed and killed at that petrol station and i saw the place cordend off with one of the skylines there from my encounter.

The laws the goverment keeps implementing are such a joke, i know bikers fall prey to some (exhaust noise limit) but spare a thought for us who dont have excessivley noisey exhausts but drive the cars associated with them, we get fined and stickered for it all them time, as its up to the officers discretion, doesn't matter if you have followed the rules and gotten the exhaust certified (for $250) they still sticker your car and make you go throght the time consuming and not free process to get it removed.
Oh and dont ever take off to fast in the wet and spin your wheels on white paint on the road by mistake, this carries a fine and possible impounding of you car.
I know this is turning into a massive personal rant, the fault does not lie entirely with the youth car culture, the police/goverment and family have a major stake in how bad it has become.
Time/money and effort MUST be spent on fixing the source of the problem not chasing them around with knee jerk reactions (ban them from here, ban them from there). This problem stems from a community level, family must be accountable as well and police/goverment dont help with name calling and harrassment

just on a little side note, i have found myself a new little hobby, what i do is i find one of those "YOUR SPEED IS" poles that are scattered around chch and i sit and what for about ten min to see who speeds, and i tell you what soccer moms are shocking, with their kids in the car. But when she hits a young teen in his car who is minding his own business and kills/injures her kids, bet the term boyracer gets montioned in the papers

bah/rant over

[Indiana_Jones]

We could all wank off into their fuel tanks?

-Indy

[awayatc]

well Batboy.....the skyline lovers you talked about are the kind of boyracers that most people love to hate....
My son's friend's car (nicely done up young mans vehicle)..got completely smashed by maybe the same idiots in same area.For no real reason

Boy racers that need dealing to/with are those that bother other people on purpose.....
Unfortunately it is hard to tell them apart from those that just drive souped and or blinged up vehicles.

Oh and yes the police lack definitely somethin to deal with the 2 % scum we all like them to deal with....

Balls?

[Marmoot]

I have a lot to say on this topic, as it really gets my blood going i tell ya, so i will try keep it short(ish)...

The Anals of Stereotyping Your Mom (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1919008&postcount=15)

[firefighter]

I have a lot to say on this topic, as it really gets my blood going i tell ya, so i will try keep it short(ish)

im suprised that there has not been more incidents of police getting the bash, or riots by "boyracers" yet.
The police goad them into hitting back, by fining them for anything they can,

Do a ride along, I promise you, you will want to beat the shit out of the boy-racers you meet, with the smart ass shit they dish out then expect some respect and some sort of a break when it comes to fines (which by the way are generally for dangerous/un-certified modifications right?) - you sound like the pacific island community crying about cops trialling tasers out south- as they have bad hearts.......


The police in christchuch are no longer worried about anyother crime at the moment except boyracers

Maybe they have a personal vandetta against you? perhaps in their meetings your picture is on the wall and they talk about ways to fine you?

I hope you have a smarter brain in your head than this?

Also think about what you wrote there....."no longer worried about crime "except boy racers"- so they do commit crimes? So you have an issue with police targetting crime by a known group of people publicly breaking the law and annoying the shit out of EVERYONE else?
By the way, without the boy racers they would have the resources to fully commit to other crimes.....
Maybe it's the boy racers in-directly responsible for other crimes being able to take place? (semi piss take but think about it)


just on a little side note, i have found myself a new little hobby, what i do is i find one of those "YOUR SPEED IS" poles that are scattered around chch and i sit and what for about ten min to see who speeds

wow, how exciting.....

FYI- most of the MVCs I attend involving a boyracer.....guess who caused the whole bloody, screaming painfilled, mess with lives lost and parents/ families hearts broken....? Lives ruined, trauma for family, friends, all the rest, stop thinking that boy racers are so bloody innocent.

Perhaps a ride along with the NZFS would wake you up too? A station with a rescue tender, you may learn why police target boyracers.

You get pulled over because you fit the profile, stop feeling so bloody sorry for yourself.....BTW, I was hardly ever pulled over in my WRX sti, big exhaust, etc, but I didn't drive it like a dick and was left alone.....I think maybe you might more guilty than you lead on?

[batboy]

Do a ride along, I promise you, you will want to beat the shit out of the boy-racers you meet, with the smart ass shit they dish out then expect some respect and some sort of a break when it comes to fines (which by the way are generally for dangerous/un-certified modifications right?) - you sound like the pacific island community crying about cops trialling tasers out south- as they have bad hearts.......

Wrong the fines a dished out in accordance to laws brought in as knee jerk reactions to the need for the goverment to appease the public and win votes
see : Exhaust noise, and adjustable suspension etc





Maybe they have a personal vandetta against you? perhaps in their meetings your picture is on the wall and they talk about ways to fine you?

I hope you have a smarter brain in your head than this?

Oh yes its so bloody personal, getalife, believe it or not the majority of boyracers are not the trouble makers buddy, but we all get tarred with the same brush, how is this fair? mmm, and dont come back with the whole they cant tell the good from the bad. About 6/7 years ago it was not uncommon for boyracers to *555 others who were doing stupid/dangerous things and get results, the cops were a good bunch as i had many a good hard chat with them, and they were lenient towards naughty behaviour in areas where the public was not affected (McLeans island, port hills), but now due to pressure from the goverment to meet fine quotas (if u think they dont exist get your head out of the sand) and keep the whinging few happy, the have managed to alienate themselves from the youth of today, not only boyracers but all youth



Also think about what you wrote there....."no longer worried about crime "except boy racers"- so they do commit crimes? So you have an issue with police targetting crime by a known group of people publicly breaking the law and annoying the shit out of EVERYONE else?
By the way, without the boy racers they would have the resources to fully commit to other crimes.....
Maybe it's the boy racers in-directly responsible for other crimes being able to take place? (semi piss take but think about it)

See above for bullshit laws, but jsut to add one more, its not illegal to sell "p" pipe in shops or bongs, but its illegal to possess one mmm tell me how that works, same applies to loud exhausts, they need to stop making patch up laws and actually think why and fix the root.
Boyracers are not going to vanish overnight due to being banned from here and there or fined, the public and media and people like clayton cosgrove have turned this issue into a circus its pathetic






Perhaps a ride along with the NZFS would wake you up too? A station with a rescue tender, you may learn why police target boyracers.

haha i know quite a few boyracers who are volenteer firefighters....go figure they are still subject to the same discremantion i am, they dont drive erratically as they like me are aware of the consequence but some of them have a pretty good fine collection.


You get pulled over because you fit the profile, stop feeling so bloody sorry for yourself.....BTW, I was hardly ever pulled over in my WRX sti, big exhaust, etc, but I didn't drive it like a dick and was left alone.....I think maybe you might more guilty than you lead on?

i fit the profile aye, so does every moari male in is late 20's who comes from a single parent family, fit the profile of a wife basher? gee your narrow minded
So how long ago did you drive said WRX? mmm not recently im sure.
haha and no im not more guilty than i lead on, i no longer go out in my car as its too expensive being fined on the spot for my "loud" certified exhaust and getting 10 demerits every time, as i need my liscense

[batboy]

oh and just to clarify, im not claiming to be perfect as in never speed. yes i speed on occasion who doesn't, but i tend to speed in non residential areas not Cashmere road for example where i see the soccer moms, neither do i whinge about speeding fines.
I also attend track days to improve my driving ability and no the limits of my veichle, i worked as a mechanic for 5 years so i would be able to know the ins and outs of cars, know whats legal and not, and make sure i was certified for all modifications and make my car safe on the road.
I complain and whinge about fines resulting in police ignorance such as the loud exhaust thing and being fined for having semi slick tires on my car (so my fwd does not break traction as easily) that were brand new, but accoring to pc plod were bald.

[imdying]

Exhaust noise, and adjustable suspension etcExcessive exhaust noise should be a fine, it affects too many people. They can't fine you for a car that has been correctly modified and certified. If you're getting fines for that, you're obviously not following the rules that are very clearly laid out.


About 6/7 years ago it was not uncommon for boyracers to *555 others who were doing stupid/dangerous things and get results, the cops were a good bunch as i had many a good hard chat with them, and they were lenient towards naughty behaviour in areas where the public was not affected (McLeans island, port hills)What a load of shite... they've been actively policing those areas longer than you've had a license.


tell me how that worksBecause you don't actually have to use them for that purpose for one, for another, people can and do use them for smoking legal substances.


Boyracers are not going to vanish overnight due to being banned from here and there or fined, the public and media and people like clayton cosgrove have turned this issue into a circus its patheticNo, boy racers have turned it into a circus.


haha i know quite a few boyracers who are volenteer firefighters....Ahhhh 'quite a few', the idiots favourite magical figure from Made Up Land.


i fit the profile aye, so does every moari male in is late 20's who comes from a single parent family, fit the profile of a wife basher?It's Maori.


i no longer go out in my car as its too expensive being fined on the spot for my "loud" certified exhaust and getting 10 demerits every time, as i need my liscenseHave you considered pursing the PCA if you honestly think you're being harassed? How about getting a quieter exhaust? Not everyone wants to hear your mighty wankmobile.

[ducatilover]

such arguments make me amused....
keep it up, defend the boy racers....skids bey...whoop whoop

is that how they talk?:scooter:

[firefighter]

haha i know quite a few boyracers who are volenteer firefighters....

Aghum......so? ANYONE can join a volunteer brigade......(not putting them down that's a whole other issue which need not come up here)


i fit the profile aye, so does every moari male in is late 20's who comes from a single parent family, fit the profile of a wife basher? gee your narrow minded

:nono: DO NOT put words in my mouth......Do you suggest the NZ police pull out a magic radar which sorts out the goodies and the baddies? Yes you fit the profile, they check your vehicle, what do you expect? For them to just magically know your car is safe/legal?


So how long ago did you drive said WRX? mmm not recently im sure.
haha and no im not more guilty than i lead on, i no longer go out in my car as its too expensive being fined on the spot for my "loud" certified exhaust and getting 10 demerits every time, as i need my liscense

No, you are quite right, it was a little while ago, I sold it 4 years ago (I think), but guess what? The exact same things were happening......and idiot friends of mine were pulled over, I was'nt, they sounded just like you, but when you drove with them you knew why.....talked about knowing the limits of their vehicle too (seriously same words, same channel, same gripes, sound just like you)

You also have accused me of a lot, and presumed a lot, why on earth should I take you seriously with you flapping your gums like this? carrying on about quotas etc......You think I was born yesturday?

You honestly sound like a child, hardly a man of any worldly experience or knowledge of things of any real importance.....perhaps it's time you left little old N.Z and see the world, gather some life experience, and come back and see what you think of these dodgy looking, poxy overly loud cars, tearing the shit out of the areas they pollute, leaving behind bottles, rubbish, skidmarks, smashed glass, fights, intimidation, and a shit-load of noise....sounds great for all those invovled leaving behind the shit for everyone else to clean up....

There's two sides to a story, your obviously only prepared to see one, iv'e been there and done that, reading what you have written I can't believe your two years older than I am.

You seriously need to grow up.....I'm not even digging at you, you really, really sound like a school boy....(i'm sure I read your 27 somewhere in here....) I hope your not like this in person....unless you have some sort of mental illness then I apologise.

[ducatilover]

does sound a bit school boyish. im only 20 and i have a more mature view on the subject.
i dont get pulled and my bike isnt exactly quiet. so what does that go to say?
i have been pulled many a time and had fines but i was riding with no wof/rego and thats silly. i dont get all up in arms about the police eg; aw bey them cunts gived me a fine ae coz they dicks and shit yo :spanking:
grow up

[Mikkel]

You seriously need to grow up.....I'm not even digging at you, you really, really sound like a school boy....(i'm sure I read your 27 somewhere in here....) I hope your not like this in person....unless you have some sort of mental illness then I apologise.

While I agree with almost everything you posted - I have to say that you loose an argument the exact same second you tell your opposition to grow up. You don't argue with children, period.

[firefighter]

While I agree with almost everything you posted - I have to say that you loose an argument the exact same second you tell your opposition to grow up. You don't argue with children, period.

hahaha, true. :doh:

[scumdog]

Meh, us hot-rod types had to put up with M.O.T. bully-boys and 'underhand' tactics way back in the 70's (or earlier, memory is a tad fuzzy).
The even picked on 'genuine hot rodders' and 'car enthusiasts' too.

Only we never had the interweb thingy to bleat on about it on...

[Skyryder]

Meh, us hot-rod types had to put up with M.O.T. bully-boys and 'underhand' tactics way back in the 70's (or earlier, memory is a tad fuzzy).
The even picked on 'genuine hot rodders' and 'car enthusiasts' too.

Only we never had the interweb thingy to bleat on about it on...

.............and it was soon forgotton :Police:with a bit of hanky panky in the back seat.

Skyryder

[PrincessBandit]

Well, the big wigs are apparently getting serious about the car crushing business for repeat offenders. Regardless of who owns the car the compactor beckons! What I'm now wondering about it how many cars will be stolen for these activities in order to get around this. If they don't wan't to risk having their "mum's" or "nanna's" car squished how many will steal-to-order a suitable car to satisfy their activities?

And what is that likely to do to insurance premiums for those who own the types of cars these people are attracted to?

Hmmmmm.

[terbang]

Well it looks like they (real estate owners in CHC) have their way. The Boy racers are to get their cars crushed. A fairly draconian punishment for only one thing, being a boy racer. A loose term if i ever heard one. It reeks of "not in my back yard please" as drunk drivers get to keep their 60 grand commodores even after offending more than once. Have boy racers killed more people than recidivist speeders or drunk drivers?

[NighthawkNZ]

Only we never had the interweb thingy to bleat on about it on...

you used morse code on your CB Radio

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[CookMySock]

next boy racer mod will be a crusher-resistant car, so in goes the car, and CLANG! MUNT! the crusher can't crush it.. /fail :Oops::confused:

Imagine the raucous laughter from through the fence.. :doh:

Steve

[jim.cox]

Well it looks like they (real estate owners in CHC) have their way. The Boy racers are to get their cars crushed. A fairly draconian punishment for only one thing, being a boy racer. A loose term if i ever heard one. It reeks of "not in my back yard please" as drunk drivers get to keep their 60 grand commodores even after offending more than once. Have boy racers killed more people than recidivist speeders or drunk drivers?

They need to kill them quietly

Turn down the boof boof boof boxes,

Use an exhaust that reduces noise rather than amplifying

And nobody wlll complain

And "Crusher" Collins won't get her photo all over the newspaper

[FROSTY]

WORD OF WARNING FOLKS--
WE as bikers need to be watching the exact wording of those b"boy racer" laws. It could be your bike that ends up crushed.

[davereid]

I look forward to the bleats here on KB...

I buyed this car on tardme.. it wuz cool an no reserve..
I checked the ppsr.. sweet no money owed so I bought it..

Turns out the last owner was a boy racer.. now its been crushed...


Only two outcomes here..

either
they can crush a car AFTER it been sold, in which case cars will just be sold before the crusher day, disadvantaging the buyer, but not penalising the BR
or
they cant crush a car after its been sold, meaning BRs will sell cars to mates before crusher day meaning the law is impotent

Either outcome is just a bad law, drafted by a moron, which won't fix the problem

[terbang]

WORD OF WARNING FOLKS--
WE as bikers need to be watching the exact wording of those b"boy racer" laws. It could be your bike that ends up crushed.

Dead right mate, The police have been telling us for years that it is drink driving and speed that are the killers. Yet here we have a new kind of punishment for, kids with hot cars. Why, because everyone hates them, they are anti social, make lots of noise and generally piss people off. Some of them fit into the speed and alcohol category too.
A large portion of society also sees motorcyclists in the same way.

[scumdog]

I look forward to the bleats here on KB...

I buyed this car on tardme.. it wuz cool an no reserve..
I checked the ppsr.. sweet no money owed so I bought it..

Turns out the last owner was a boy racer.. now its been crushed...


Only two outcomes here..

either
they can crush a car AFTER it been sold, in which case cars will just be sold before the crusher day, disadvantaging the buyer, but not penalising the BR
or
they cant crush a car after its been sold, meaning BRs will sell cars to mates before crusher day meaning the law is impotent

Either outcome is just a bad law, drafted by a moron, which won't fix the problem

I guess (and it IS only a guess) that the car would be siezed at the time of the offence and once the driver has been to Court and found guilty the car would be crushed.

[Ixion]

I am concerned about the bit where they want to ban "cruising". Which seems to imply that a number (how many ?) of vehicles, going to a common destination, breaking no other laws (ie not speeding, nice and quiet, no wheelies , wheel spinning etc,) can be pinged as "boy racers cruising" just because they are following one another. Sounds rather like a group ride, doesn't it. "You're a boy racer, and you were cruising because you were following another boy racer round and round. Hang on, how do you know I'm a boy racer? Cos you were following him, and he's a boy racer. But what makes him a boy racer, he's driving real carefully and legally? Cos you're following him, and you're a boy racer. But how --- oh forget it, which was is the crusher ? " The grey cardigans strike again.

[Ixion]

I guess (and it IS only a guess) that the car would be siezed at the time of the offence and once the driver has been to Court and found guilty the car would be crushed.

Cos it's been seized doesn't stop it being sold , until he's found guilty

[FROSTY]

I am concerned about the bit where they want to ban "cruising". Which seems to imply that a number (how many ?) of vehicles, going to a common destination, breaking no other laws (ie not speeding, nice and quiet, no wheelies , wheel spinning etc,) can be pinged as "boy racers cruising" just because they are following one another. Sounds rather like a group ride, doesn't it.
that bit of the proposed change makes no sense at all to me.
Im thinking of the beachhops and the custom car club runs. cruising is part of kiwi culture.

[CookMySock]

cruising is part of kiwi culture.Theres no way they can implement all that in law. They are, what we refer to as "fucking dreaming."

At least half of their tools they are using against the boy racers is the media. Young lads can be influenced nicely by what they hear on the telly. It's only us old cunts they know they cant pull the wool over our eyes.

Note, most of this crap is "council bylaw" too, not NZ law, so I think it will be hard to get someone convicted of anything.

Yeah it does worry me if their attention will be turned to bikers one day, because at the moment it seems like we get off a lot of little misdemeanors and other grey areas of the law.


Steve

[Mom]

Boi racers dont watch TV. They will be hearing about this via the internet. One of them somewhere will have seen something to do with cars being crushed and they will all know about it via facebook/bebo etc no doubt complete with chinese whispers.

I feel really sorry for anyone that has to put up with the antics of some yoofs! Little shits.

At risk of being totally flamed, I also feel a bit sorry for some (notice I said some) of these kids, they want to go out and cruise, they want to make loud engine noises and shock/horror release a bit of smoke from their tyres.

Shit they sound a bit like some of us :yes:

[CookMySock]

At risk of being totally flamed, I also feel a bit sorry for some (notice I said some) of these kids, they want to go out and cruise, they want to make loud engine noises and shock/horror release a bit of smoke from their tyres. Shit they sound a bit like some of us :yes:Yep. They are an easy target though, as they don't know their rights, are easily influenced by persuasion, and once one pressure group jump on them, a huge group of blood-letting lemmings follow them and bash them to death. It's disgusting really - some people are animals.

The same thing happened over here with kids jumping off the bridge into the river. No person has ever been injured doing it, but the council and the community is hell-bent on hunting down and killing the last child who does it, in case someone gets hurt. :confused:

I wonder when the government will outlaw that type of behaviour, or at least classify it for what it is.

But yeah the boy racers are going to have to moderate their actions somewhat. I think the main problem is theres so many of them. If it were hundreds of noisy bikers doing it, the result would be identical - outlaw it.

Steve

[Ixion]

They are guilty of being young. Youff is an unpardonable sin to people like Ms Collins.

[FJRider]

If it were hundreds of noisy bikers doing it, the result would be identical - outlaw it.

Steve

But hundreds of noisy bikers DO do it. its not what they do but WHERE they do it that attracts attention. Bikers do it (usually ... sometimes ... sometimes not) at bike rallys.

[CookMySock]

But hundreds of noisy bikers DO do it. its not what they do but WHERE they do it that attracts attention. Bikers do it (usually ... sometimes ... sometimes not) at bike rallys.Well maybe thats what boy racers need.

I hear about all sorts of patent stupidity at rallys. It sounds awesome. Trouble is, my 14 y/o daughter will want to come. :no:

Steve

[gatch]

Yea most 'boi racers' are harmless, loud noises for the most part is their crimes.

If there is a sector of road users that need to be pumelled into submission its drink drivers.. At my polytech night class tonight I heard two particular imbeciles laughing and boasting about how many times they have been done for drink driving, and the best roads for avoiding cops etc, had to leave early else things would have gotten out of hand..

cocks

[Ixion]

Well maybe thats what boy racers need.

I hear about all sorts of patent stupidity at rallys. It sounds awesome. Trouble is, my 14 y/o daughter will want to come. :no:

Steve

14 y/o chick. Biker rally. Nope, nothing to see here, move along. Uh, what rallies d' y' think you might attend? Just out of curiosity, like.

[CookMySock]

Uh, what rallies d' y' think you might attend? Just out of curiosity, like.ME? I have no idea. Why ?

Steve

[Maha]

Its a whole lot of nothing really, this crushing the car thing.
On one hand, the new law seems good for those that have an issue with these drop kicks.
On the other hand, they get given three chances over four years!!!
Three chances???...Thats where it falls apart sorry.
Most of these little wankers go through that amount of cars over that time anyway. No hardship there, they are worth fuck all.
Whats stopping any 'Boy Racer' on any given night driving a mates car?
If he/she is on, lets say the second warning (little terrors) and is drivng a car that is not his/hers and gets pinged, that vechicle could not be crushed because it is not his/hers? there must be a loop hole in there somewhere?

Crush the fucking car on the night, or the next day, first strike, its all over.

[Gareth51]

Meh, us hot-rod types had to put up with M.O.T. bully-boys and 'underhand' tactics way back in the 70's (or earlier, memory is a tad fuzzy).
The even picked on 'genuine hot rodders' and 'car enthusiasts' too.

Only we never had the interweb thingy to bleat on about it on...

I still think we got away with alot more
Rember having my keys taken off me by the police (not MOT)for doing boy racer things in a 58 Ford V8 back in the 60s
Told to pick them up from Wellington Central at midnight,as soon as they had gone,found a spare set in my pocket and carried on
On picking them up I was asked how I got there,I said drove of course
You could tell he aready knew:Police:

[CookMySock]

On picking them up I was asked how I got there,I said drove of course. You could tell he aready knew:Police:That reminds me of going to the strawberry farm with the kids. We collect our punnets and go do the PYO thing and come back 20 mins later. They weigh everything up and ask us "do you want anything from the shop?", and my response is instant, "no thanks, we're full." straight face, no grinning now.. The lady looked visibly shocked but didn't say a word LOL.

Steve

[been_there]

Back on the subject:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2452058/Boy-racers-attack-airport-security-officer

When are these dickheads going to learn.
This will only add fuel to fire on the loose law changes preposed by the minister.

[been_there]

So this is what I read from the preposal:
Councils can ban "cruising" convoys of boy racers from certain areas, with cars impounded for a second offence within 90 days.

Police get new powers to remove learner and restricted drivers from the road if they breach their licences, including seizing ignition keys and immobilising cars.

Fines for breaching licences reduced from $400 to $100, but demerit points raised from 25 to 35 seen as a greater deterrent.

Can this be applied to motorcycles?
Can Motorcyclists be placed under the same heading?

[Ixion]

It is virtually certain that the laws will apply to all motor vehicles, so, yes, and yes

[Mikkel]

Only two outcomes here..

either
they can crush a car AFTER it been sold, in which case cars will just be sold before the crusher day, disadvantaging the buyer, but not penalising the BR
or
they cant crush a car after its been sold, meaning BRs will sell cars to mates before crusher day meaning the law is impotent

Either outcome is just a bad law, drafted by a moron, which won't fix the problem

scumdog beat me to it...


I guess (and it IS only a guess) that the car would be siezed at the time of the offence and once the driver has been to Court and found guilty the car would be crushed.

Indeed, impounding the car first, would take care of that particular issue.


I am concerned about the bit where they want to ban "cruising". Which seems to imply that a number (how many ?) of vehicles, going to a common destination, breaking no other laws (ie not speeding, nice and quiet, no wheelies , wheel spinning etc,) can be pinged as "boy racers cruising" just because they are following one another. Sounds rather like a group ride, doesn't it. "You're a boy racer, and you were cruising because you were following another boy racer round and round. Hang on, how do you know I'm a boy racer? Cos you were following him, and he's a boy racer. But what makes him a boy racer, he's driving real carefully and legally? Cos you're following him, and you're a boy racer. But how --- oh forget it, which was is the crusher ? " The grey cardigans strike again.

It's just a matter of time and place. I am sure society wouldn't turn the blind eye if bikers took the behaviour from the Akaroa GP to the streets of Christchurch central.

As for banning cruising and other controversial suggestions - these are proposals, they still have to be instated which means they'll have to go through a rather cumbersome political process. And the more extremist clauses will most likely be weeded out along the way.


What I dislike about the whole crushing idea is that it is so bloody wasteful. If someone has amassed more fines than they can pay, quite simply expropriate the car and sell it to the highest bidder. Subtract the money made by selling the vehicle from the debt of the person from who it was taken. If it doesn't cover the fines, community work at $10/hr. And yes, there's plenty that could be done - since littering seems to have been taken up as a national passtime over these last 5 years.
Now, if the vehicle is unable to meet WOF or can not be sold for more than e.g. $1500 of to the crusher it goes and some set amount of money is withdrawn from the accumulated fines... No point in crushing a decent car - but getting some of the older shitheaps off the roads wouldn't be a bad thing.

[laserracer]

I still think we got away with alot more
Rember having my keys taken off me by the police (not MOT)for doing boy racer things in a 58 Ford V8 back in the 60s
Told to pick them up from Wellington Central at midnight,as soon as they had gone,found a spare set in my pocket and carried on
On picking them up I was asked how I got there,I said drove of course
You could tell he aready knew:Police:

MMMM remember well the wellington v8 boys

[carver]

sounds like christchurch is a exciting place to live

[McWild]

sounds like christchurch is a exciting place to live

Don't believe it.

[Paul in NZ]

Don't believe it.

No - it's true... I was born there (only moderately exciting I know)

But...

My eldest lives there and when she whelped for the first time, there was 1 m/c space on the 1st ferry for 3 days and no flights so I was emergency dispatched to be the grand dad. Grand mama would follow once the mess was cleaned up...

Exciting ride down - rained the whole way and it was dark and winter - fricking wonderful, rolled into ChCh about 11pm, rocked up to ChCh womans and no, it would be a few hours so off to dads for a change and a few ZZZ's..

Flitting through Manchester street (I know, BAD choice) the fatest, slutiest ugliest whore in the world propositioned me at the lights... So, I'm on a damn near 30 yr old italian sports bike, loaded with luggage (including tank bag) and baby crap, wet through, pissing with rain, winter, muddy and smelly from following stock trucks through the hunderlees, no sleep for 2 days and this silly cow wants to know if I'm up for some action??? I mean FFS... Yeah, sure jump up on the tank and I'll give you one before the lights change...

So - yeah - Christchurch has its moments.....

[scumdog]

No - it's true... I was born there (only moderately exciting I know)

But...

My eldest lives there and when she whelped for the first time, there was 1 m/c space on the 1st ferry for 3 days and no flights so I was emergency dispatched to be the grand dad. Grand mama would follow once the mess was cleaned up...

Exciting ride down - rained the whole way and it was dark and winter - fricking wonderful, rolled into ChCh about 11pm, rocked up to ChCh womans and no, it would be a few hours so off to dads for a change and a few ZZZ's..

Flitting through Manchester street (I know, BAD choice) the fatest, slutiest ugliest whore in the world propositioned me at the lights... So, I'm on a damn near 30 yr old italian sports bike, loaded with luggage (including tank bag) and baby crap, wet through, pissing with rain, winter, muddy and smelly from following stock trucks through the hunderlees, no sleep for 2 days and this silly cow wants to know if I'm up for some action??? I mean FFS... Yeah, sure jump up on the tank and I'll give you one before the lights change...

So - yeah - Christchurch has its moments.....

Paul, it just shows what sort of action she's been getting from other (Canterbury?) riders arriving in town in similar circumstances - ya let the team down:doh::laugh:

[Paul in NZ]

Paul, it just shows what sort of action she's been getting from other (Canterbury?) riders arriving in town in similar circumstances - ya let the team down:doh::laugh:


Damn - never thought of it like that! Mind you, pulling over and calling Vicki to see if I'm allowed to probably isn't cool either is it?

[Shadows]

Damn - never thought of it like that! Mind you, pulling over and calling Vicki to see if I'm allowed to probably isn't cool either is it?

If you have to pay for it then it isn't cheating :devil2: