Antonie Dixon is deceased

[slofox]

Breaking News (according to RNZ). Antonie Dixon died overnight in Paremoremo...my heart bleeds.............shall we take up a collection then?

[Pussy]

Excellent news.. a bloody oxygen thief

[MIXONE]

That's as good a reason to have a party that I can think of.

[Bren]

Whew, thought ya were gonna say Scott Dixon,

but that other Dixon is gonna Rot in Hell now!

I was curious to know who the crim was that kicked the bucket!

He was an evil looking bastard too!

[Mully]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4838288a11.html

Mmm, tragic.

Well, should save us some tax dollars in looking after him.

Can someone put a hook, rope and chair in the cells of those scumbags that killed Nia Glassie please.

[jrandom]

Phew! I also thought this was about Scott Dixon. Didn't he just win something at the Halberg Awards? Seems like a nice chap.

I agree that a hook, rope and chair should be standard in all jail cells. Might as well give the occupants the opportunity to take the only honourable action left.

[MSTRS]

Hoo-fucken-ray. Next...

[Dooly]

Awesome, finally good news in the media.:wari:

[Mully]

Phew! I also thought this was about Scott Dixon. Didn't he just win something at the Halberg Awards? Seems like a nice chap.

Yeah, but he's got 4 wheels, so it's kind of cheating....

[imdying]

Nobody is being sought in connection... guess that means he was just a little coward who topped himself, big surprise eh?

[Pussy]

I'm not a religeous man... but I reckon that bastard will have a fair bit of explaining to do when he meets his maker....

[jrandom]

coward who topped himself

I wouldn't call him a coward for that. Removing himself from existence is probably the most decent thing he's ever done.

Credit where it's due; he's paid for his crimes now. Save your vitriol for the remaining scum throughout the country who can't take that same responsibility for their own guilt.

[Headbanger]

Thats an excellent start, lets hope it catches on.

[vifferman]

Hoo-fucken-ray. Next...
I nominate Liam Reid. There's no way that evil cunt is going to ever be rehabilitated, so it's a sorry waste of taxpayer dollars putting him up in Her Majesty's Hotels.

[Finn]

The pressure of being the only white fulla in prison must have got to him.

[imdying]

I wouldn't call him a coward for that. Removing himself from existence is probably the most decent thing he's ever done.

Credit where it's due; he's paid for his crimes now. Save your vitriol for the remaining scum throughout the country who can't take that same responsibility for their own guilt.And there's plenty of them left to be sure to be sure...

[Indiana_Jones]

Party at Stranger's tonight?

-Indy

[Owl]

I nominate Liam Reid. There's no way that evil cunt is going to ever be rehabilitated, so it's a sorry waste of taxpayer dollars putting him up in Her Majesty's Hotels.

+1 vifferman!:oi-grr:

[slofox]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4838288a11.html

Can someone put a hook, rope and chair in the cells of those scumbags that killed Nia Glassie please.

I heard one of the defence lawyers say yesterday that his client "accepted that what he did was wrong...."
Wow! Shit! No kiddin' huh???

[slofox]

That's as good a reason to have a party that I can think of.

That's what the collection is for.....:devil2:

[sunhuntin]

theres so many to nominate, i dont know where to start. burton, the glassie killers, the cunt who murdered one of my favourite friends... theres too many to name.

what did reid do? i know the name, but cant recall the crime.

and if it was suicide, whats the bet the cops will get the blame like the did last time?

[MIXONE]

I heard one of the defence lawyers say yesterday that his client "accepted that what he did was wrong...."
Wow! Shit! No kiddin' huh???

We all know it wasn't his fault.It was the P.tuis!

[Blossom]

Nobody is being sought in connection... guess that means he was just a little coward who topped himself, big surprise eh?

I wonder if it was suicide? Maybe he had a heart attack? I mean dont the media normally just say he hung, suffocated, cut himself?

Would be very ironic if he died of natural causes.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Thank god for small mercies. Next please. :woohoo:

[Robbo]

Great result. Good riddence to the scumbag. Next please.:whocares:

[Murray]

At least he had the decency to live out his life term imprisonment.

Wish a few others would to!!

[driftn]

Good job now those Curtis pieces oh shit next. What did they get 19 years or some thing. Lock them in a cell and do to them what they did to a helpless kid.

[firefighter]

Good job now those Curtis pieces oh shit next. What did they get 19 years or some thing. Lock them in a cell and do to them what they did to a helpless kid.

only 17 years.....there's some maori priest worried about whether they will be rehabilitated and wants to make sure they get a good opportunity to rehabilitate.......

I'm not joking....

[MSTRS]

Rehabilitation
http://witchdoctor.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/noose.jpg

[Beemer]

Halleujah, best news I've heard all year. Total waste of space and it saves the costly (to the tax payer) retrial he was seeking.

He should have been put to death years ago for crimes against hairstyles.

[Kiwi Graham]

Best bit of news I've heard in ages. As a tax payer I'm over the moon. Just Bell, Baker and a few hundred others to see the light :msn-wink:

[ManDownUnder]

I have a hard time with people actually celebrating the death of someone else.

He's gone, and I personally don't think that's a bad thing - but there's plenty of innocents would have been friends, family and relatives that don't deserve to have their faces rubbed in the fact they're in pain.

Blood Lust is ugly.

[Laava]

I heard one of the defence lawyers say yesterday that his client "accepted that what he did was wrong...."
Wow! Shit! No kiddin' huh???
[Re Nia Glassie] But then the prick has the[nerve and balls are the wrong words!] cheek to bark like a Mongrel as he is lead out! Hope they put him in a BP prison.
Ironically they did it cos she was ugly?

[Crazy Steve]

Wow Rip Antonie...

Untill we meet again....:2guns:

Crazy Steve..

[Crazy Steve]

Best bit of news I've heard in ages. As a tax payer I'm over the moon. Just Bell, Baker and a few hundred others to see the light :msn-wink:

Graham you do know that people on a Benifet still pay a small amount of tax ?

So everyone kinda paying tax....:gob:

Crazy Steve

[vifferman]

I have a hard time with people actually celebrating the death of someone else.
Dunno 'bout "blood lust", Mr MDU, and I for one was not "celebrating" but just relieved he was dead. I was really pissed off hearing Dixon was appealing yet again. I *know* it's his legal right to do so, but I found it really galling that the taxpayer's money is wasted on such things.

I also felt some emotion seeing Liam Reid's face after his sentencing, when it was pretty damned obvious he is basically incapable of either feeling remorse for his actions or being rehabilitated, yet we have to pay for 26+ years of his food and board. $70k+ per year? That's $1.82 meeelleeeons, without allowing for inflation. Why not just give that to the victims and give him a lead injection?
A celebratory lead injection? No - just a dispassionate weighing up of what would be just and best for all concerned, including Reid.

[Crazy Steve]

Everyone that is laughing at this Mans death is kinda SICK ! ! !

The mans Dead.....No leave him at FCKIN peace....

Crazy Steve..

[Lonebull]

Perfect worm fodder. Hate to waste anything thing more than a bullet on that bastard. Good riddance

I concur with Mully. Hooks, ropes and chairs in cells. Starting with those scumbags who killed Nia Glassie

[Hitcher]

Can someone put a hook, rope and chair in the cells of those scumbags that killed Nia Glassie please.

They wouldn't have the collective intellect to know what to do with them.

Presumably "self-inflicted head and neck wounds" is code for dangling?

[samgab]

Good riddance.

[slofox]

I have a hard time with people actually celebrating the death of someone else.

He's gone, and I personally don't think that's a bad thing - but there's plenty of innocents would have been friends, family and relatives that don't deserve to have their faces rubbed in the fact they're in pain.

Blood Lust is ugly.


Everyone that is laughing at this Mans death is kinda SICK ! ! !

The mans Dead.....No leave him at FCKIN peace....

Crazy Steve..

No offence intended. I am afraid my sympathies lie with the victims and the families thereof - especially the women who lost hands via his samurai sword. Their punishment is lifelong and without redress. I find it hard to sympathise with the perpetrator of such deeds.

[Headbanger]

I have a hard time with people actually celebrating the death of someone else.


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[Tank]

I read that he took his own life.

Can you imaging how hard that must have been?

He has been locked in his cell, tormented by his own demons to the point where we couldn't take it anymore. and, sadly, took his own life.

Personally I would have preferred him to be sorry and tormented for a few more years - then took his life. But hey, whatever.

Good riddance, and here's hoping that a few other bits of scum learn from his actions and do the same.

[skidMark]

The pressure of being the only white fulla in prison must have got to him.


Yeah but you are still kb's only gay eskimo.

[skidMark]

he posed on my katana just last week!!!...
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=115980&d=1231974049

[Finn]

Yeah but you are still kb's only gay eskimo.

And proud.

[Mikkel]

Seems the NZ prison system didn't learn the lesson from the Nuremburg trials...

[MSTRS]

Seems the NZ prison system didn't learn the lesson from the Nuremburg trials...

Prisoner # 646616 - here's your regulation cyanide capsule. move forward. Next...."

[Scouse]

I was kinda hoping that it was Bell that topped hisself

[Maha]

I was kinda hoping that it was Bell that topped hisself

All bets are on in 'D' block so I hear.

[MSTRS]

Nup. Not Bell. Pricks like that live for kicks, at the expense of others. Topping himself would make others happy. He's not into that. He will have to be 'helped'

[Rockbuddy]

All bets are on in 'D' block so I hear.

hes not in "D" block

[Swoop]

I was kinda hoping that it was Bell that topped hisself
Can "the citizens" get a two-for-one deal???

[R6_kid]

He should have done it before he went to court in the first place and saved us all a lot more money.

[Maha]

hes not in "D" block

Thats why the bets are on there, wouldn't wanna fuck him off in his own block now would they?...:whistle:

[Matt Bleck]

During the 2007 Appeal Court hearing, Hart said Dixon had suffered a horrendous upbringing. As a child he was tied to a clothesline, could only bark like a dog, and showed paranoid behaviour over several years.

was there ever any hope for this guy to be a normal human being?

[jrandom]

was there ever any hope for this guy to be a normal human being?

I know plenty (well, a few) who've had just as bad or worse upbringings and turned out... if not entirely OK, then at least not murderers.

The man made his own decision to be evil. Who knows why anyone makes that call.

[marty]

had to laugh at Paul Henry on the morning show. i'm not saying 'yippee' was PC, but he said what everyone was thinking.

i was hoping it was graham burton - dixon's victims were in his circle - burton's was someone minding his own business.

[sunhuntin]

I read that he took his own life.

Can you imaging how hard that must have been?

He has been locked in his cell, tormented by his own demons to the point where we couldn't take it anymore. and, sadly, took his own life.

Personally I would have preferred him to be sorry and tormented for a few more years - then took his life. But hey, whatever.

Good riddance, and here's hoping that a few other bits of scum learn from his actions and do the same.

knowing that his demons tortured him to death is good enough. theres on murderer who i hope doesnt come out alive, and id love nothing more than hearing hes in solitary, cos i know the brain is its own worst enemy.

when i saw the news on tv3, i was literally wooo-hoooing and clapping my hands. sorry for those offended by that, but yes, i am glad hes dead, and yes i will celebrate that fact. he should have been dead a long time ago.

[Madness]

Nobody is being sought in connection... guess that means he was just a little coward who topped himself, big surprise eh?
Pretty hard to be seeking anyone in connection with a death that occurred in a maximum security prison, wouldn't ya think?


what did reid do? i know the name, but cant recall the crime.
He kidnapped, raped & murdered the deaf girl in Christchurch. One very sick fuck.


i was hoping it was graham burton - dixon's victims were in his circle - burton's was someone minding his own business.
Dixon murdered James Te Aute, a complete stranger who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, hardly in Dixon's circle.
Burton had the disadvantage of killing at a young age (Royhipnol sp? and alcohol will do that to a young fella's mind). I wouldn't think there'd be much hope for someone like that going inside for murder so young. Sad thing is they're getting younger all the time.

[sunhuntin]

cheers madness. i was in chch when that happened. needless to say, mum was very releived when i phoned her that night.

see on the news just now that corrections are being blamed, again? he had a blanket around his neck... isnt against human rights to withhold blankets??

[ynot slow]

The wankers who put Niah Glassie in the dryer should be given the same joy ride,in a friggin Concrete Truck.Then drop them in the sea.

[MSTRS]

With 'boots' on.

[Indiana_Jones]

Cya Dixon, you cunt rag.

-Indy

[Mikkel]

At least, if you're going to prison you'll still be allowed to listen to Judas Priest.

[Jdogg]

All I can say is.... where the fuck am I going to get my sweet crazy eye pictures that I pretty much use on a daily basis????? damn you why did you have to die before my crazy picture collection was finished.....

[marty]

Dixon murdered James Te Aute, a complete stranger who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, hardly in Dixon's circle. .

my bad - i thought Te Aute was an associate.

[Madness]

my bad - i thought Te Aute was an associate.

Of course not. If he was he would be alive, with no hands.

[Kiwi Graham]

Dont forget the old couple he held hostage for over an hour!!!!!!!!!!!
prior to being taken into custody!

[Skyryder]

Well personally the fucker who fucked up and let Dixon die, top himself whatever needs to be sacked. Dixon beat the system. Cunt should have died an old man and alone


Skyyrder

[McDuck]

The pressure of being the only white fulla in prison must have got to him.

A+.
Must spread around etc

[Mully]

I know plenty (well, a few) who've had just as bad or worse upbringings and turned out... if not entirely OK, then at least not murderers.

The man made his own decision to be evil. Who knows why anyone makes that call.

+1. Plenty of people have a shit upbringing. You make your own decisions on where you go in life.


Well personally the fucker who fucked up and let Dixon die, top himself whatever needs to be sacked.


Mmm, I don't think we've heard the last of this - I imagine at least one head will, if not roll, at least get a nasty headache for a while.

Oh, and why do you sign all your posts? We can see it's you.

[SixPackBack]

Dixon lead a sad life that started with drug use [and a questionable mental state] and ended in the brutalisation of friends and murder of a random.

The various re-trials and attempted re-trials came at the insistence of his lawyer who maintained Dixon suffered serious mental issues. Details surrounding his death go along way to supporting this theory.

We have on this site a long running thread supporting those KBers who suffer depression and mental health related problems, why then do we want to burn Dixon for suffering exactly the same fate?

Societies obsession with the retribution component of law and order over the rehabilitation component breeds criminals and violence within our prisons nationwide. Many of those locked up need help and never receive it. Society struggles to 'fix' or treat appropriately individuals like Dixon while locked up, and we end up with Cases like Burton who on release [clearly criminally insane] starts another violent rampage. It is the justice system and health professionals that fail us, and who are every bit as liable for instances like the Burton case.

Clapping our hands over Dixon's death may well be our collective first reaction [certainly mine!], but the fact remains a man whose family still loved him are grieving regardless of the brutality and sadness of his existence, and that society is partly responsible for his actions.

Our thoughts should be at this time how can we red flag the 'Dixons' of our community before it is to late. Failure for us to speak up are best illustrated by the Glassie case.


Flame away.

[Mully]

We have on this site a long running thread supporting those KBers who suffer depression and mental health related problems, why then do we want to burn Dixon for suffering exactly the same fate?

Because those KBers (as far as I know) don't go on murderous rampages. My thoughts are that P should be no excuse - if you commit a crime on P, you should be done for drugs and the crime. As already mentioned (a LOT on this site) that a shitty childhood isn't a reason to be a dick.


Societies obsession with the retribution component of law and order over the rehabilitation component breeds criminals and violence within our prisons nationwide. Many of those locked up need help and never receive it. Society struggles to 'fix' or treat appropriately individuals like Dixon while locked up, and we end up with Cases like Burton who on release [clearly criminally insane] starts another violent rampage. It is the justice system and health professionals that fail us, and who are every bit as liable for instances like the Burton case.

So what's the solution to people like Dixon or Burton? Do we lock them in secure mental institutions? Permanantly? "Retribution" is society's attempt at a simple answer for a complex question (much like legislation marginalising bikers).


Clapping our hands over Dixon's death may well be our collective first reaction [certainly mine!], but the fact remains a man whose family still loved him are grieving regardless of the brutality and sadness of his existence, and that society is partly responsible for his actions.

Agreed. I noticed the mother of one of the girls he cut hands off showed much compassion on the news. I was impressed.

[portokiwi]

Well look at the bright side the Govt are no longer using our hard earned Tax $$$$$$$$ to keep in prison, court fees, food clothing and any other waste of tax payers $$ on that scum bag.

[Crasherfromwayback]

That of late he'd been drinking from the toilet. Hope he shat in it first. Choking on his own turd would've been great to see. I pay to see that.

[DMNTD]

Oh well....he won't be doing that again :wari:

[Grizzo]

Great news! One less scumbag in the community.

[cave weta]

DING - DONG the dixons dead!

( sing to the same tune as the wicked witch song in Wizard of Oz)

[Quasievil]

You guys are shocking, this is a human your talking about shame shame shame on you all, where is you love and compassion (I) for your fellow human being,(am) this is a young man who (takin) through no fault of his own (the)got a raw deal in life a guy who probably had (piss) bad parents a traumatic upbringing and (suckers)should in now way be harshly treated by you lot so get a life and show some respect for the dead !!!!

[Beemer]

I have a hard time with people actually celebrating the death of someone else.

He's gone, and I personally don't think that's a bad thing - but there's plenty of innocents would have been friends, family and relatives that don't deserve to have their faces rubbed in the fact they're in pain.

Blood Lust is ugly.

I can understand where you're coming from, but with regards to his family, I've read reports of him being chained to the clothesline when he was a child and treated appallingly. While none of that excuses his violent offending as an adult, I would like to know where his 'family' was while he was subject to this alleged abuse and what part they played in his life while he was in prison.

I'm happy that he is no longer drawing breath and wasting tax payers' money, but if he'd killed or maimed someone I loved, I'd wish he'd never drawn breath in the first place.

[SixPackBack]

Because those KBers (as far as I know) don't go on murderous rampages. My thoughts are that P should be no excuse - if you commit a crime on P, you should be done for drugs and the crime. As already mentioned (a LOT on this site) that a shitty childhood isn't a reason to be a dick.

While I am no fan of 'P' crunch the numbers-how many people use the drug without to many issues?.......'P' like Pot, Alcohol, heroin et al is just the latest scape goat for those that react badly to certain substances. No different to anaphalactic shock from peanut consumption!.........exactly why all drugs should be legalised and controlled by Government.



So what's the solution to people like Dixon or Burton? Do we lock them in secure mental institutions? Permanantly? "Retribution" is society's attempt at a simple answer for a complex question (much like legislation marginalising bikers).

If we wish to evolve, true understanding of criminal sickness [for want of a better description] is needed. And no we don't lock them up permanently, ideally we stop the behaviour in the first place, and if it does happen [along with suitable punishment] we 'fix' them.........and that Mully is where we fail-our inability to 'fix' the Dixon's of this world.



Agreed. I noticed the mother of one of the girls he cut hands off showed much compassion on the news. I was impressed.

Because she knows [as do the girls] Dixon was a sick man.

[Mully]

Because she knows [as do the girls] Dixon was a sick man.



Mmm, but the "widow" of the bloke he killed wasn't so nice.

[Mully]

If we wish to evolve, true understanding of criminal sickness [for want of a better description] is needed. And no we don't lock them up permanently, ideally we stop the behaviour in the first place, and if it does happen [along with suitable punishment] we 'fix' them.........and that Mully is where we fail-our inability to 'fix' the Dixon's of this world.

Sorry, missed your quote in the middle of my quote.

But how do we understand the "sickness" (provided we can understand it)? And presuming it's a "from the cradle" type approach, what do we do about the current crop of reprobates? Like that 15 year old kid who murdered Karen Aim? Who admitted attacking another woman on the same street two weeks earlier, and was out that night to smash the windows of the school.

How can we stop the behaviour from happening? Make prospective parents take a test and sterilise them if they fail?

And could Dixon have been fixed? Didn't he have something like 160 previous convictions? Can anyone at that level be "saved" from themselves? Do they even want to be?

We can't help those who refuse to help themselves. Ultimately, locking them up and throwing away the key might be the way to protect society from them (like William Bell or Liam Reid). We keep giving these guys 2nd, 3rd, 4th chances to rehabilitate and they keep throwing it back in our (collective) faces. It's easy for people to say "give him another chance, he's done his time" until they (or their friends or familes) are victims of a violent crime.

As I say, it's a complex problem.

[Manxman]

Breaking News (according to RNZ). Antonie Dixon died overnight in Paremoremo...my heart bleeds.............shall we take up a collection then?

A collection for the families that he changed forever? If so, I'm in.

[Madness]

While I am no fan of 'P' crunch the numbers-how many people use the drug without to many issues?.......'P' like Pot, Alcohol, heroin et al is just the latest scape goat for those that react badly to certain substances. No different to anaphalactic shock from peanut consumption!.........exactly why all drugs should be legalised and controlled by Government.

IMHO P, unlike Pot, Alcohol, Herion et al, does (with regular use) lead to sleep deprivation at the nasty psychological effects that come from a serious lack of sleep. That is what sets it apart from the others in my mind. LSD is bad for sleep deprivation too, but I've never gone for more than a week on Acid and doubt many could.

I agree that drugs should never be an excuse for anybody's behaviour or actions. What scares the shit out of me is the escalating level of mindless violence in our society of late. I attribute a lot of that to P.

[Manxman]

I haven't read all of this thread - it's been quite popular for some strange reason, so the following thought might already have been offered.

Why has the media made so much of this? I mean, all that's really required is "Dixon's dead. Good riddance. End of story". Let's all just move along.

I can't figure why Barry (Bleeding) Hart was given so much air time. Don't, just don't, even give him time to draw breath. Ignore him. No one is interested in his pathetic "he should have been saved from himself" bleating.

Dixon committed murder, mayhem, terrorism and heartache on many people. And it was his choice to take drugs. His actions alone that put him where he was. I'm fecken well sick of hearing that its someone else's fault.

If Hart wants a Dept of Correction investigation, let him fund it. Goodness knows, he's made a living - a probably a good one at that - out the 'poor me' industry.

I moved to NZ to get away from that shite and enjoy a country that is populated by people who call a spade a spade and took responsibility for their actions, and are fundamentally a very friendly bunch of bastards. I love it here, have assimilated to the kiwi way (religiously following the FIFO principal) and am teaching my kids to be good people grounded in kiwi values.

Anyone want to put in for a one way air ticket for Barry Hart to go to Britain, where they will welcome him and his perverse attitude with open arms? If so, give me a yell.

[Maki]

Societies obsession with the retribution component of law and order over the rehabilitation component breeds criminals and violence within our prisons nationwide. Many of those locked up need help and never receive it. Society struggles to 'fix' or treat appropriately individuals like Dixon while locked up, and we end up with Cases like Burton who on release [clearly criminally insane] starts another violent rampage. It is the justice system and health professionals that fail us, and who are every bit as liable for instances like the Burton case

Thanks, six. I was searching through that thread for some sense and human compassion and I finally found it.

Were were the neighbors when Nia Glassie was being tortured, often in plain view outside the house?

Where was society when this was going on?

"She told the court of Dixon being sexually abused as a child and growing up in a violent environment.

Their disciplinarian mother was heavily involved with the Jehovah's Witnesses and looked after former psychiatric patients in their Ponsonby home. A young and hostile Dixon was tied to the washing line and locked in the toilet for hours."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4838768a11.html

Dixon did some evil things and he was punished. Too bad some of those who stand by and do nothing while children are abused get away scot free.

[Number One]

6PB & MDU - I agree completely with both of your sentiments :sunny:

What I would say is this...apologies for the typical Libran two sided response.

I am not going to miss Dixon or the publicity of those creepy eyes, I am sure many/most of the victims will probably rest a little easier now knowing he is gone but I don't think good stuff! Well done! Yay the guy is dead!

I don't believe he should have been in 'prison' he should have been in a 'high security psychiatric hospital' of some sort possibly drugged beyond stupification so he couldn't be a risk to himself or anyone else'.

Taxpayers money? Hate to say it but our money already goes towards underfloor heating and plasma TV screens for other really bad arse crims who do and are capable of making a choice to do bad things.

Dixon was 'psycho and insane' these were not a choices he made. The things he did were because his brain compelled him to do them. Does that mean he is not guilty? Hell no! None of those people deserved their injuries or deaths of course! The threat of him (had he survived) hurting again is scary and hard to swallow but shitty upbringing or not no one 'chooses to be insane' and as such I don't celebrate his passing 'while in the care of the system'. If one of the other inmates had taken him out it might not have been so bad even as then you can kind of justify it HOWEVER this guy was deteriorating and they knew it. They also knew he was madder than a cut snake. I do believe someone cocked up here and knowing people even with 'slight' issues gives you a whole different perspective on what can and can't be taken for granted in terms of how people can control and moderate their behaviours and actions.

OH yeah one other thing...apparently he was high on P while in prison...WTF? How does HE get his hands on that in there?

[dave_a]

You guys are shocking, this is a human your talking about shame shame shame on you all, where is you love and compassion (I) for your fellow human being,(am) this is a young man who (takin) through no fault of his own (the)got a raw deal in life a guy who probably had (piss) bad parents a traumatic upbringing and (suckers)should in now way be harshly treated by you lot so get a life and show some respect for the dead !!!!

Fuck that Im glad the cunts Dead!!!,Id happily piss on his grave. Upbringing drugs, abuse etc are no excuse for killing people, Bet you wouldnt feel the same if it was your mother,brother sister or daughter.

Have some respect for the innocent families who have to live everyday without their loved ones due to some sick fucker deciding He should have the right to take there lives.

[Number One]

Someone missed linking the words in (brackets) perhaps?

[Quasievil]

Fuck that Im glad the cunts Dead!!!,Id happily piss on his grave. Upbringing drugs, abuse etc are no excuse for killing people, Bet you wouldnt feel the same if it was your mother,brother sister or daughter.

Have some respect for the innocent families who have to live everyday without their loved ones due to some sick fucker deciding He should have the right to take there lives.


BWAAAAAHHHHH one down:wari:

[Skyryder]

Dixon lead a sad life that started with drug use [and a questionable mental state] and ended in the brutalisation of friends and murder of a random.

The various re-trials and attempted re-trials came at the insistence of his lawyer who maintained Dixon suffered serious mental issues. Details surrounding his death go along way to supporting this theory.

We have on this site a long running thread supporting those KBers who suffer depression and mental health related problems, why then do we want to burn Dixon for suffering exactly the same fate?

Societies obsession with the retribution component of law and order over the rehabilitation component breeds criminals and violence within our prisons nationwide. Many of those locked up need help and never receive it. Society struggles to 'fix' or treat appropriately individuals like Dixon while locked up, and we end up with Cases like Burton who on release [clearly criminally insane] starts another violent rampage. It is the justice system and health professionals that fail us, and who are every bit as liable for instances like the Burton case.

Clapping our hands over Dixon's death may well be our collective first reaction [certainly mine!], but the fact remains a man whose family still loved him are grieving regardless of the brutality and sadness of his existence, and that society is partly responsible for his actions.

Our thoughts should be at this time how can we red flag the 'Dixons' of our community before it is to late. Failure for us to speak up are best illustrated by the Glassie case.


Flame away.

Not me SBP. I can be as rednecked as the next man but it's on occasions and posts like yours that brings me down to relaity. There was much said about his 'so called insanity' that most including myself just thought was a put on but now I'm not so sure. Word is that he beat his head against a wall.

Don't know what that says other than desperation.


Skyryder

[Naki Rat]

By all accounts the world is a better place for Antonie Dixon's passing. I notice that the news tonight announced his funeral date on February 14th, the timing of which will allow his son to attend due to son's imminent release from prison. Seemingly that apple fell close to the tree!

Now if that isn't a case for eugenics I don't know what is :angry2:

[Owl]

BWAAAAAHHHHH one down:wari:

WTF! I didn't seriously think you'd snare anyone with that lame post!:laugh:

I stand corrected!:not:

[Number One]

WTF! I didn't seriously think you'd snare anyone with that lame post!:laugh:

I stand corrected!:not:
That was exactly what I had thought when I saw it....and they say us girls are emotional :rolleyes: :lol: :chase:

[Quasievil]

WTF! I didn't seriously think you'd snare anyone with that lame post!:laugh:

I stand corrected!:not:

Yeah but half the people here dont read just blab lol

[yungatart]

Word is that he beat his head against a wall.



What are you saying? That people who bang their head on the wall are insane? I used to do that as a child (still have the lump on my head to prove it) and I am perfectly sane and normal! Just ask anyone on here....

I, for one, won't shed a tear at his passing....

[slofox]

I used to do that as a child (still have the lump on my head to prove it) and I am perfectly sane and normal!...

Errrr....you sure about that now....??? I know this doctor.......

(Watch out everyone...!)

[The Stranger]

Party at Stranger's tonight?

-Indy

Alright a dead dixon theme party.
Could combine it with your engagement party - speaking of which.

[yungatart]

Errrr....you sure about that now....??? I know this doctor.......

(Watch out everyone...!)

Yeah, perfectly sure..they gave me a certificate saying so when I left Tokanui.....

[candor]

Re thread tile - "Dixon is dead" - or did he have a helping hand. Watching this story develop he does not appear to have much in the way of suicide hallmarks. Lawyer suggests a guard bashing / torture session occurred just prior to the event. And todays news report reveal "future orientation" - he was looking forward to Court and all the attention, had P related investments, groupies and drugs on tap, interest in his families (8 kids) welfare a week prior, and was seeking to commission a biography. Narcissistic sociopaths typically do not throw the towell in especially when the going is so good - and their only complaint is boredom. Though I s'pose P withdrawal can be nasty - which possible diagnosis appears to be why he was kept inside after recent assessment... not transferred to a secure psych ward..

Motive to throw this one in the "too hard basket" ie the coffin... we're spoilt for choice apparently. Had got prison staff in trouble (was obviously doing deals with staff as a dangerous inmate to be allowed private unsupervised :lol:visits with a female alleged psychologist), and was known to stir shit up among inmates...to pass the time. Prison can be a dangerous place :Pokey:.

Autopsy report will be interesting. Was the terminal event head injury... or strangulation. And either way, whose call. Could he have been about to make another prison torture claim with the HRC, and get a payout. The guards who were involved in another famous case (John Gillies and others) were never sacked, where were they? Are criminal investigations even attempted in prison under sus circumstances, or would it also be in the too hard basket?

[KiwiRat]

Most possibly nobbled just to shut the cunt up.

[peasea]

Most possibly nobbled just to shut the cunt up.


He's gone and the taxpayer is better off because of it.

[candor]

the fact remains a man whose family still loved him are grieving regardless of the brutality and sadness of his existence, and that society is partly responsible for his actions.]

Maybe the difference between Dixon and Nias killers and similar feral space wasters, and little Nia, is that childhood killed their humanity potential - just not the physical vessel. What would an A.D. biography have revealed about blind eyes to a suffering boy treated as an unloved dog by reputed nutters.
It seems the SPCA does better work than CYPs, but likely had no dominion.

[SixPackBack]

Maybe the difference between Dixon and Nias killers and similar feral space wasters, and little Nia, is that childhood killed their humanity potential - just not the physical vessel. What would an A.D. biography have revealed about blind eyes to a suffering boy treated as an unloved dog by reputed nutters.
It seems the SPCA does better work than CYPs, but likely had no dominion.

CYP's are blind without a heads up!........The community failed Dixon and Nias by not speaking up......I personally feel Nias mum is primarily to blame, had I EVER treated Amy like that my wife would have been pulling a knife on me-and rightly so!

[McDuck]

Umm I dont think anybody forced the P into him.


I have 'lost' a good friend to drugs. She is not dead, but her mind is. And quite frankly (and being very non emotive and blunt) i would not be suprised if i hear in the news her body has stopped living, her brain died years ago with her body holding on with a drug.


So going by this theory Antonie Dixon died a long time ago, just now his body is in the same state as his mind.

[Quasievil]

Umm I dont think anybody forced the P into him.


I have 'lost' a good friend to drugs. She is not dead, but her mind is. And quite frankly (and being very non emotive and blunt) i would not be suprised if i hear in the news her body has stopped living, her brain died years ago with her body holding on with a drug.


So going by this theory Antonie Dixon died a long time ago, just now his body is in the same state as his mind.


BWAAAAAHHHH I got two of yas so far...............suckers !!!

[McDuck]

BWAAAAAHHHH I got two of yas so far...............suckers !!!

The first line was just somthing to quote from and not nessesary a rsponce to the trolle you provided.


Becides How many kms have you ridden today? Can you top 800?

[Quasievil]

Becides How many kms have you ridden today? Can you top 800?

Was just adding some flavor to a predicatible thread lol
800kms ? Nope you win, I dont ride on the road dude I save it for the track.....tho I am getting drawn slowly back:niceone:

[oldrider]

I am not sorry for Dixon in any way shape or form and would like to see this become fashionable.

Looking forward to the next announcement.

I reckon these so called celebrity lawyers are a big part of the problem, with crime in New Zealand!

They are certainly not part of the solution! (IMHO)

With a bit of luck it might catch on among them too. :shifty: John.

[Mully]

Any lawyers around?

The papers were saying that his wealth came from P dealing.

There were also reports that he had somewhere around $100K on term deposit about to mature (also from drugs) and that this money will be shared amongst his offspring (9 of them, or thereabouts)

What I want to know, is why the crown aren't looking to seize all these assets under the Proceeds of Crime Act? Does the Act not apply after death? I am presuming they didn't know about it while he was alive (which seems unlikely, but maybe) so they didn't try earlier.

[Mully]

Oh, and also, was Barry Hart paid for with legal aid? (I seem to think I heard he was) I thought you had to have no assets to get legal aid?

[SixPackBack]

I am not sorry for Dixon in any way shape or form and would like to see this become fashionable.

Looking forward to the next announcement.

I reckon these so called celebrity lawyers are a big part of the problem, with crime in New Zealand!

They are certainly not part of the solution! (IMHO)

With a bit of luck it might catch on among them too. :shifty: John.

Your suggesting that individuals should not be allowed access to the best representation possible?

[SARGE]

Word is that he beat his head against a wall.

Don't know what that says other than desperation.


Skyryder

so he DID get that birthday card i sent him...

Prison is stressful..thought i'd help....


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[Swoop]

The papers were saying that his wealth came from P dealing.

There were also reports that he had somewhere around $100K on term deposit about to mature (also from drugs)
This is why Kiwibonds are SO popular...

[Forest]

Your suggesting that individuals should not be allowed access to the best representation possible?

Not at all. But there's a good argument that the law should be changed so that a defendant is required to match every dollar he (or she) spends on their defense with a dollar contributed towards the prosecution's costs (with the extra costs dropped should the defendant be found not guilty).

[HenryDorsetCase]

Not at all. But there's a good argument that the law should be changed so that a defendant is required to match every dollar he (or she) spends on their defense with a dollar contributed towards the prosecution's costs (with the extra costs dropped should the defendant be found not guilty).

Utterly unworkable, given that criminal defendants are impecunious. Its only a very rare case (John Barlow used some of his own money I think) where a criminal defendant has any means to pay at all. And the badass scumbags (your Antonie Dixons, Martin Bells etc) have never had a job, have no assets and would be better with abullet in the head. Hopefully a lot of the recidivist scum in prison will take heed of Dixon's shining example.

[SixPackBack]

Not at all. But there's a good argument that the law should be changed so that a defendant is required to match every dollar he (or she) spends on their defense with a dollar contributed towards the prosecution's costs (with the extra costs dropped should the defendant be found not guilty).

OMG:shit:............where the fuck did you dream that up??.........the converse of your argument of course is prosecution paying defendant costs in entirety if/when the defendant is found not guilty and of course the prosecution matching payments while going through due process!?...fairs-fair!

But where does it end?...is their a partial payment back to the defendant if they are bagged for manslaughter and not murder [for instance]??

Crazy idea Forest!

[HenryDorsetCase]

I reckon these so called celebrity lawyers are a big part of the problem, with crime in New Zealand!

They are certainly not part of the solution! (IMHO)



That shows an utter lack of comprehension of the way that the legal system works, the place of a defence barrister and their role in the process. Interestingly some of the best lawyers in the country are criminal defence lawyers, and dont for a second think they're in it for the money. The real money in law in this country is at one of the big 4 firms, doing commercial, resource management or civil litigation.

Equating the lawyers with the actions of their clients is just wrong, and says more about the person doing it than the lawyers involved.

[candor]

Some defense lawyers frequently partake in immoral antics and lifestyles. I could itemise specific cases, but don't have decades to waste. Hoping your post is not a symptom of ambitions in that direction HenryDC.

A recent journal published to air NZ defense lawyer quibbles and angst had them expressing "deep sadness" over the number of repeat killer drink drivers receiving jail terms in the order of a year.... and jail terms at all. Open minded till their brains fall out, not gifted is my definition of it. If they don't do it for the money that just deepens my concerns. Old Rider has the right idea.

[Patrick]

Well personally the fucker who fucked up and let Dixon die, top himself whatever needs to be sacked. Dixon beat the system. Cunt should have died an old man and alone

Yep... the guards should have been holding hands and singing him to sleep with "Kumbayah..." (sp?). Always someone elses fault....

He should have been put down at a much younger age... They shoot violent out of control dogs, don't they?


Because she knows [as do the girls] Dixon was a sick man.



I couldn't help but wonder if she would have been so caring or forgiving if he had killed her girl...? At least her daughter is still around.


....Dixon was 'psycho and insane' these were not a choices he made. The things he did were because his brain compelled him to do them.

OH yeah one other thing...apparently he was high on P while in prison...WTF? How does HE get his hands on that in there?

He was psycho and insane in the first trial, with the crazy hairdo and weird eyes... but returned to total normalcy when the guilty verdicts were read out. A very cunning player....

Very normal at the re-trial too.... quite articulate actually, outlining his upbringing etc... The actions of a psycho? I think not.

Glad he is gone? Yep. Saved the tax payer millions of dollars, with no hope of him doing anything decent for anyone, ever....

Partying about it? Nope....

Feeling bad about this human being losing his life and lacking humanity? Hell no.....

[firefighter]

Everyone stop posting on this! Mods move this to P.D.

He's dead, thank fuck for that.

Now lets forget him he does'nt deserve to be rememberd, if we stop talking about him, he truely dies and is gone. That's all that matters, now we focus on getting the rest of them put to sleep and gone, so they can be forgotten.

"We will remember them" applies to our veterans, family and friends, and the heores that deserve it. not this animal.

[Swoop]

there's a good argument that the law should be changed so that a defendant is required to match every dollar he (or she) spends on their defense with a dollar contributed towards the prosecution's costs (with the extra costs dropped should the defendant be found not guilty).
What the fuck??? You pay to have the prosecution do you over?
Your drugs must be of the highest quality.

Glad he is gone? Yep. Saved the tax payer millions of dollars...

Partying about it? Nope....
Likewise.

[Patrick]

Everyone stop posting on this! Mods move this to P.D.

He's dead, thank fuck for that.

Now lets forget him he does'nt deserve to be rememberd, if we stop talking about him, he truely dies and is gone. That's all that matters, now we focus on getting the rest of them put to sleep and gone, so they can be forgotten.

"We will remember them" applies to our veterans, family and friends, and the heores that deserve it. not this animal.

Probably the best post here... DIXON certainly "WAS" pointless drivel....;)

[doc]

Probably the best post here... DIXON certainly "WAS" pointless drivel....;)

NO. His passing wasn't pointless. He was a classic example of what "P" turns you into . A drug that levels all users to Looooooser. Some people on kb'r still defend the use of it. :bash: They think they can control their use of it. History is going to tell us a different story of who was in control when under the influence of this cancer some have adopted willingly. Todays lecture is over

[Patrick]

NO. His passing wasn't pointless. He was a classic example of what "P" turns you into . A drug that levels all users to Looooooser. Some people on kb'r still defend the use of it. :bash: They think they can control their use of it. History is going to tell us a different story of who was in control when under the influence of this cancer some have adopted willingly. Todays lecture is over

Nah... North and South Magazine or David YARROP will write an article or a book saying he didn't even do any of what he was serving time for....

[SixPackBack]

Nah... North and South Magazine or David YARROP will write an article or a book saying he didn't even do any of what he was serving time for....

Now that would be a crime!

[idb]

Nah... North and South Magazine or David YARROP will write an article or a book saying he didn't even do any of what he was serving time for....

Youch...you're not bitter!!!
I don't subscribe to the "cops are all out to get us" theory but neither are they infallible.

[scumdog]

Youch...you're not bitter!!!
I don't subscribe to the "cops are all out to get us" theory but neither are they infallible.


Hehehehehe...we ARE all out to get you - just look at last Saturday night f'rinstance....:shifty:

[Lucy]

I don't believe he killed himself.

[idb]

Hehehehehe...we ARE all out to get you - just look at last Saturday night f'rinstance....:shifty:

So that was you!!!????
I didn't notice that you had your schlong baton out again, but that explains a my head in the morning!

[idb]

I don't believe he killed himself.That deserves its own thread!

[Patrick]

I don't believe he killed himself.

Its a conspiracy...

[Lucy]

Its a conspiracy...


If you look at the reaction just in here, and someone in a post earlier mentioned that he didn't fit the suicidal type profile, it is not a stretch to imagine. Especially if it's true that they took away his medication etc etc.

Bit like how Euthanasia is 'illegal', but lots of people pass on peacefully when their morphine dose is tripled.

[The Stranger]

If you look at the reaction just in here,

Sorry how does the reaction "just in here" impact upon if he killed himself or not?

[Lucy]

Sorry how does the reaction "just in here" impact upon if he killed himself or not?

Good question, I suppose what I was getting at, is there are plenty of people who wanted him dead, and now he is, even though he (apparently) was not the suicidal type.

[The Stranger]

Good question, I suppose what I was getting at, is there are plenty of people who wanted him dead, and now he is, even though he (apparently) was not the suicidal type.

How he died doesn't matter anyway, we are all better of for it, even him.

[DougieNZ]

I hate to move against the tide,

I have to say this whole thing is a tragedy. There is quite rightly outrage for this man's crimes and a need for retribution for the victims. That is why most of the reaction here is understandable.

What I have tried to do, though, is to imagine that I was a member of Dixon's family. I would well know how mistreated he was as a child and his often pshycotic(sp) and disturbed behaviour - and would know the reasons for it.

The govt in recent years has closed down many of the secure units and facilities that used to house and look after the mentally disturbed and shifted them to halfway houses or straight in to the community. Result: there are a lot of people that are in jail that shouldn't be there in a decent society.

I'm no expert, but Dixon's behaviour/testimony/background would indicate to me that he has severe mental issues. Is a maximum security proson the right place to sort these - or will it make the problem worse?

Are we saying that we should "put these people down"? Or "good riddence"? But what if this was a member of your family we are talking about? Would you still feel the same?

Woukld you feel that a further tragedy was that your family member never got the help they needed?

[scumdog]

What I have tried to do, though, is to imagine that I was a member of Dixon's family. I would well know how mistreated he was as a child and his often pshycotic(sp) and disturbed behaviour - and would know the reasons for it.


Are we saying that we should "put these people down"? Or "good riddence"? But what if this was a member of your family we are talking about? Would you still feel the same?

(a)Yep, and some of the family would hopefully be squirming at the monster they created and at his actions.

(b) And member of my family being like that? Wouldn't want them around either, would be glad to see them gone if they were a Dixon type.

[marty]

Yeah but half the people here dont read just blab lol

i read it - just thought you must have had 1 too many stellas.

[Skyryder]

Some time back they interviewed Dixon's sister on TV. She came across as someone who loved her brother no matter what. Don't recall her making too many excuses one way or the other for what he had done.

She struck me as a decent sort.

Skyryder

[Patrick]

... he didn't fit the suicidal type profile, ...

Disagree here.... He was aprime candidate. Dougie below points out a few indicators.....


....how mistreated he was as a child and his often pshycotic(sp) and disturbed behaviour - ....

.... Dixon's behaviour/testimony/background would indicate to me that he has severe mental issues. Is a maximum security proson the right place to sort these - or will it make the problem worse?

Just a few strong indicators there alone....

[SixPackBack]

Disagree here.... He was aprime candidate. Dougie below points out a few indicators.....



Just a few strong indicators there alone....

Are you saying Dixon should have been in an institution? [in your opinion?]

[Patrick]

Are you saying Dixon should have been in an institution? [in your opinion?]

Hell no. Just saying he was a prime candidate for suicide.

He is exactly where he should be, now....

[SixPackBack]

Hell no. Just saying he was a prime candidate for suicide.

He is exactly where he should be, now....

Hmmm.....Nazism and Darwinism all in one post!........I can only agree and disagree.

We failed but we won!

[Patrick]

Hmmm.....Nazism and Darwinism all in one post!........I can only agree and disagree.

We failed but we won!

Nah. We won.

Darwinism - yep...

Nazism... ??????????

[SixPackBack]

Nah. We won.

Darwinism - yep...

Nazism... ??????????


Our collective callous attitude to Dixon mirrors the approach the Nazi's would have taken, I.E to kill the mentally unstable.

To 'win' would have required an approach that would have culminated in Dixon receiving care/medication/whatever that would have seen him behave as a normal person [when released of course].

We failed Dixon, but even the idealists like myself find it hard to care!...he was a very bad man.

[Patrick]

Our collective callous attitude to Dixon mirrors the approach the Nazi's would have taken, I.E to kill the mentally unstable.

To 'win' would have required an approach that would have culminated in Dixon receiving care/medication/whatever that would have seen him behave as a normal person [when released of course].

We failed Dixon, but even the idealists like myself find it hard to care!...he was a very bad man.

But that was the problem. He feigned madness in the court. When found guilty, he was suddenly "cured." He had a re-trial and was still "cured." He wasn't mad. He was bad. Hence Darwin = yes. Nazism = No.

[SixPackBack]

But that was the problem. He feigned madness in the court. When found guilty, he was suddenly "cured." He had a re-trial and was still "cured." He wasn't mad. He was bad. Hence Darwin = yes. Nazism = No.

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....how mistreated he was as a child and his often pshycotic(sp) and disturbed behaviour - ....

.... Dixon's behaviour/testimony/background would indicate to me that he has severe mental issues. Is a maximum security proson the right place to sort these - or will it make the problem worse?
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Just a few strong indicators there alone....

These comments made me believe you thought he was insane!?

[candor]

Mental disorder does not equal insane. Many with mental disorders are sane.
A depressed person who kills an innocent while not psychotically depressed is sane and guilty. If their depression is psychotically so eg they believed the victim was Hitler reincarnated and likely up to no good, well then insane.

Checkout the difference between psychotic & psychopathic.

Dixon was psychopathic ='s mentally disordered so far as having a personality (typical way of interacting with the world) of a very bad makeup, that can be considered so far off the big lump bell curve spread as to constitute a disorder (socially mutant), but was sane (under the law) as he knew what the situations around him involved, and the improper nature and illegal consequences of his actions. Proceeded regardless.

Insanity under our law refers to being out of reality contact due to a brain chemical imbalance (eg believing God or the devils voice is commanding you) as to make you not so responsible for actions. A personality disorder like psychopathy is no defense, thank god. Dixon tried the defense that P had him insane - but it was thrown out, and further discredited by his later boasting re his crimes. That can not have all happened under the influence.
His insane posing in Court was just further evidence of his personailty being psychopathic (badass) - self serving manipulative behaviour is on the checklist. Incidentally nuts don't have staring eyes like that bad, thyroid disorders do so he shoulda researched better and done something like pretending he was hearing auditory hallucinations.

I've nursed people who killed while insane, but once medication returned sanity they were horrified at their actions, even to the point of suicidality.

Still don't buy that the probability is Dixon freely suicided but only 1 or possibly 2 people know 4 sure. His family have said they're dubious so a Police investigation round his many sus injuries is on per the Herald. Dixon claimed they withheld needed meds - not sure if he meant P or the real thing. Knowing he was under stress they allowed possession of killer objects - WTF of all the so called suicide proofed cells for those in suspected "timnes of trouble".

There could still be a killer on the loose inside - that may be kosha if we aren't concerned re Dixon, but what of others stuck inside who may not be so noxious and may be exposed to risk of unofficial execution (active or by looking away) without judicially stamped death sentence - appeal rights etc. I know of a guy died inside through captors failure to provide insulin - innocent but arrested as a supposed drunk since he was acting goofy from low sugar levels This sudden death inside fate happens lots to aborigines who hang like Dixon did, apparently.

[Patrick]

These comments made me believe you thought he was insane!?

Nah... As Candor points out in a long winded but detailed and corrct way....

Indicators that he "could" be suicidal. People who commit suicide are not necessarily insane. (Summed up in short, ay Candor?)


....There could still be a killer on the loose inside - that may be kosha if we aren't concerned re Dixon, but what of others stuck inside who may not be so noxious and may be exposed to risk of unofficial execution (active or by looking away) without judicially stamped death sentence - appeal rights etc. I know of a guy died inside through captors failure to provide insulin - innocent but arrested as a supposed drunk since he was acting goofy from low sugar levels This sudden death inside fate happens lots to aborigines who hang like Dixon did, apparently.

These "not so noxious" types are in Paremoremo..... Most are killers. Not so noxious types go to the prison farms. BURTON and BELL still roam around, so there is hope yet....

The insulin fella died in a Police cell, not at Parry... if we are talkin of the same one... Thought he was drunk and gave him a bed to sleep it off, no charges, just a place to sober up.... Times have changed, but it was a tragic event, that one.

[Ixion]

'Tis well possible to be both bad and mad. And the mad doesn't always exuse the bad.

[SixPackBack]

Nah... As Candor points out in a long winded but detailed and corrct way....

Indicators that he "could" be suicidal. People who commit suicide are not necessarily insane. (Summed up in short, ay Candor?)



These "not so noxious" types are in Paremoremo..... Most are killers. Not so noxious types go to the prison farms. BURTON and BELL still roam around, so there is hope yet....

The insulin fella died in a Police cell, not at Parry... if we are talkin of the same one... Thought he was drunk and gave him a bed to sleep it off, no charges, just a place to sober up.... Times have changed, but it was a tragic event, that one.


Semantics. We can call the anti-social behaviour whatever we like. Failing to address the 'fault' and clapping when an individual dies is just wrong.

Psychotic or psychopathic?.........we can call it what we like, the truth is no method of fixing the behaviour exists, and that equals FAIL!

[Patrick]

Semantics. We can call the anti-social behaviour whatever we like. Failing to address the 'fault' and clapping when an individual dies is just wrong.

Psychotic or psychopathic?.........we can call it what we like, the truth is no method of fixing the behaviour exists, and that equals FAIL!

A 15c bullet fixes it quite nicely.....

[doc]

People who commit suicide are not necessarily insane.

WTF they would have to be a looser's then. Suicide is all about yourself isn't it.
It's certainly not a cowards way out is it, ferk it must hurt takin your own life.


[QUOTE=SixPackBack;1940675][FONT=Comic Sans MS]Semantics. We can call the anti-social behaviour whatever we like. Failing to address the 'fault' and clapping when an individual dies is just wrong

Yor jokin now aren't you ? Now it's our fault. Your are not into social work are you ? Why don't you take people like this into your home and give them the help they are crying out for. Sometimes the breeding is wrong and we should have taken the steps nature does .

We have some sick fu.k's locally that have taking to grabbing the goats that are tethered on the roadside and dragging them behind their cars for for fun. How are you going to fix that fault with your present PC climate. How can you honestly protect these types with your "Social Engineering" crap ? not stirring just disappointed that ppl want to protect ppl that perform like this in society then use its rules to protect themselves.

[SixPackBack]

[quote=Patrick;1940473]
People who commit suicide are not necessarily insane.

WTF they would have to be a looser's then. Suicide is all about yourself isn't it.
It's certainly not a cowards way out is it, ferk it must hurt takin your own life.




Yor jokin now aren't you ? Now it's our fault. Your are not into social work are you ? Why don't you take people like this into your home and give them the help they are crying out for. Sometimes the breeding is wrong and we should have taken the steps nature does .

We have some sick fu.k's locally that have taking to grabbing the goats that are tethered on the roadside and dragging them behind their cars for for fun. How are you going to fix that fault with your present PC climate. How can you honestly protect these types with your "Social Engineering" crap ? not stirring just disappointed that ppl want to protect ppl that perform like this in society then use its rules to protect themselves.


Don't get me wrong, I 'aint crying nor do I wish to protect the 'Dixon's' of our society, furthermore; enough of the Neanderthal exists within my self to guarantee a totally illogical response if my family had been involved.......

Blame lies with society when for all our criminal study we are completely unable to fix psychological problems. We are in effect waiting for study and technology to 'catch up' and provide solutions. Cheering in the mean time makes us look pretty fucken backward.

[candor]

Not sure what you mean by solutions. The Dixons are what they are and can no more be changed than the Mother Teresas after reaching age 7 or 11 at the outside - as these are the critical parameters for when the personality structure sets in cement. Earlier attempts on social control of adult no hopers included labotomies but containment where they can live with others they relate to would seem kinder.

There are programs that can teach motivated people who are not at the serious end of psychopathy spectrum some control of the worst behaviours of preference in adult psychopaths, but this really goes against the grain for them and does not upgrade the inner engine, which is most likely to rebel against the niceness training brigade. (This lot work in our prisons on criminogenic thought stopping which interrupts offence commission, with mild success ie reduced court appearances).

There are also heavy ethical issues that mitigate against deprogramming and reprogramming of human hardware. Saw it done once in a criminally insane ward with the patients consent but this was a 5 year staff intensive program that involved challenging and stripping every aspect of the psychopaths thinking, feelings and behaviour taking him back to the "empty vessel of babyhood" then reparenting.

We killed the existing person in a real sense. The number of staff burnt out, staff numbers required for frequent restraints etc, risk of suicidality when all "antisocial" thinking and behaviour defense mechanism are stripped, and the cost of several million dollars that was factored in as a shared cost to the health and justice departments make this treatment prohibitive. The end result was someone who could be trusted to leave the grounds with one instead of several staff members (now able to soothe him) and not go on a rampage, versus him never being up to public mixing. And he actually became a nice guy rather than the vicious feral his scuzzy subcultural upb ringing had made him first.

Containment or redirecting the aggression into corporate or political careers with minders is most satisfactory.

[Patrick]

WTF they would have to be a looser's then. Suicide is all about yourself isn't it.
It's certainly not a cowards way out is it, ferk it must hurt takin your own life.
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Cowards way out it is...

Doesn't alwaysd hurt. There are ways, and there are ways....

[Tank]

Cowards way out it is...

Doesn't alwaysd hurt. There are ways, and there are ways....

They should post instructions on the inside of the cell doors.

[SixPackBack]

Simple minds incapable of seeing the future-very sad.

[Patrick]

Simple minds incapable of seeing things as they are, in the real world, is sadder.....

TBH, there are a few more I would be pleased to see 6 feet under. The vast majority, there is hope for. Even if it is a glimmer, it is there. DIXON's glimmer, and a few of his roomie mammas or pappas, went out years ago.