So, a rozza enters my home...

[spudchucka]

Is your better half still looking at joining the bacon?

[scumdog]

Well the cops are certainly getting their arse kicked by Bains defence team.

Justified or not I don't know. Still not looking good for them either way.


Skyryder

Well THAT would be surprise....

But wait, there's more......lots more;)

[SixPackBack]

Is your better half still looking at joining the bacon?

No mate. The training scared her away.........she has just applied for a position at the north shore district court tho' so we will see how that goes!

[SixPackBack]

Well THAT would be surprise....

But wait, there's more......lots more;)

I can't make my mind up about Bain:wacko:...........hard to believe the coppers would fit him up-makes no sense at all!

[Patrick]

It don't work like that and you know it.

Yeah, it was... and you know it...

Those people are called criminals, and cops don't get to act like criminals (except the ones from Rotorua).
They're supposed to be better than criminals, that's how we tell them apart (except for the snazzy uniform,of course).

Especially those "Clowns" ones. They were real dodgy.

BTW: the way you replied? Boring - I can't be arsed picking out all your fatuous comments, except to say:

Have a re-read and lighten up. Your sense of humour has obviously gone.

If the accident blackspot/no quota thing really is true, why do you put fixed speed cameras is areas where accidents are rare, but speeding drivers are common? Places like Cambridge Road & Te Rapa Road in Hamilton and SH1 in Orewa. Places where you catch out of towners doing 70 in a 60 zone? What is that doing for road safety?

Dunno. I've never set up a speed camera in my life. Never will. Camera vans catch out the unobservant. In more ways than one........


Specially the one that previously worked as an Auckland central detective for twenty years.

Which one...? There has been a few.....

Which puts the onus on the cops, who don't always have actual "proof..." if they didn't get away with bullying the person into incriminating themselves. When a cop is leaning on you, why should you trust anything he says?? Any advice he gives is in his best interests, not yours. It's not up to people to fall on their sword, it's your job to prove your case. This is a fundamental principle of the society we live in.

Talking to someone is "bullying????" What a nana state we live in.... Its why people talk - to find out what happpened, get both sides of the story, whatever. Acting on just one side of the story can be easy, but so unnecessary..... sometimes.....

... and the level of co-operation has what bearing on level of guilt?

None whatsoever. But hey, what do judges care...?


Well the cops are certainly getting their arse kicked by Bains defence team.

Justified or not I don't know. Still not looking good for them either way.


Skyryder

???????????????????????????????

I heard why the Bain Team, so keen to have a retrial, tried SOOOOOOOOOOO hard to have the whole thing tossed for the last few weeks.

Time will tell.......:whistle:

[Skyryder]

I can't make my mind up about Bain:wacko:...........hard to believe the coppers would fit him up-makes no sense at all!

No promotian for failure. Not that I think Bain was fitted up, unlike another guy.

There's a bit of stuff coming out i.e crying and the cops cops finding him in the fetal position etc. This is a guy who having been found guilty of murdering his entire family has expressed no 'bitterness' in any shape or form, appears to be completly detached with no apparant emotions about his family. I'm not infalliable but Bain just does not gel right.

Skyryder

[spudchucka]

No mate. The training scared her away.........she has just applied for a position at the north shore district court tho' so we will see how that goes!

That can be an entertaining place to work too.

[Patrick]

No promotian for failure. Not that I think Bain was fitted up, unlike another guy.

There's a bit of stuff coming out i.e crying and the cops cops finding him in the fetal position etc. This is a guy who having been found guilty of murdering his entire family has expressed no 'bitterness' in any shape or form, appears to be completly detached with no apparant emotions about his family. I'm not infalliable but Bain just does not gel right.

Skyryder

For BAIN, the real good stuff is still coming.............

My personal favourite is how the dad had an overnight full bladder.... You'd think if he was up planning the killing of his entire family, he would have had a nervous wee....

There are plenty of unsolved murders around the country, run by cops who have gone on to be promoted, so "no promotion for failure" is something the conspiracy theorists like to tout in support of the scumbags who were found guilty by 12....

[Skyryder]

For BAIN, the real good stuff is still coming.............

My personal favourite is how the dad had an overnight full bladder.... You'd think if he was up planning the killing of his entire family, he would have had a nervous wee....

There are plenty of unsolved murders around the country, run by cops who have gone on to be promoted, so "no promotion for failure" is something the conspiracy theorists like to tout in support of the scumbags who were found guilty by 12....

Not the right thread for this but I agree with the bladder. As for failure thing.

Do you relay think Pope would be where is he is today if Watson had've got off. No one gets promoted for failures and I doubt if the cops are any different. So lets not go down the 'conspiracy' road there's enough fuckwits that travel that route as it is.


Skyryder

[scumdog]

There are plenty of unsolved murders around the country, run by cops who have gone on to be promoted, so "no promotion for failure" is something the conspiracy theorists like to tout in support of the scumbags who were found guilty by 12....

So, so true..


But don't let that get in the way of the conspiritors theories....

[trustme]

So the copper that burst in on Triboy was part of a conspiracy to get a murder conviction in Dunedin so Rob Pope could get promoted
Mean time Triboy sits like a wall flower cos no one from the Rozzas is talking to him because the red squad is too busy rounding up the usual suspects while their badges are at home in the wash

You guys gotta stop watching 'Days of our Lives'

[scumdog]

So the copper that burst in on Triboy was part of a conspiracy to get a murder conviction in Dunedin so Rob Pope could get promoted
Mean time Triboty sits like a wall flower cos no one from the Rozzas is talking to him because the red squad is too busy rounding up the usual suspects while their badges are at home in the wash

You guys gotta stop watching 'Days of our Lives'

Makes sense to me...:crazy::shutup:

[trustme]

Makes sense to me...:crazy::shutup:

If Patrick agrees you'll have a conspiracy.

[Winston001]

For BAIN, the real good stuff is still coming.............

My personal favourite is how the dad had an overnight full bladder.... You'd think if he was up planning the killing of his entire family, he would have had a nervous wee....


Yes that's always been the clincher for me. Here we have an older man and we know that men of a certain age tend to have swollen prostrates which make that morning whizz of soooooo gooood. :eek: I simply could not believe any man could get out of bed, load a rifle, shoot his family, including having a struggle with one of his own kids, but not need to have a giant piss before hand.

We need a Bain thread mods. :blank:

[spudchucka]

Not the right thread for this but I agree with the bladder. As for failure thing.

Do you relay think Pope would be where is he is today if Watson had've got off. No one gets promoted for failures and I doubt if the cops are any different. So lets not go down the 'conspiracy' road there's enough fuckwits that travel that route as it is.


Skyryder

The sounds murders isn't the only case Pope has ever managed.

[Clockwork]

Yes that's always been the clincher for me. Here we have an older man and we know that men of a certain age tend to have swollen prostrates which make that morning whizz of soooooo gooood. :eek: I simply could not believe any man could get out of bed, load a rifle, shoot his family, including having a struggle with one of his own kids, but not need to have a giant piss before hand.

We need a Bain thread mods. :blank:

But did anyone check his prostate? mmay be pissing was a real painful mission for him. I thought bladders emptied themselves on death, why didn't his?.. and if your that full wouldn't you also take a pee before heading off for your morning prayers?

[Ixion]

Yes that's always been the clincher for me. Here we have an older man and we know that men of a certain age tend to have swollen prostrates which make that morning whizz of soooooo gooood. :eek: I simply could not believe any man could get out of bed, load a rifle, shoot his family, including having a struggle with one of his own kids, but not need to have a giant piss before hand.

We need a Bain thread mods. :blank:

WTF are you on about? He was only 58 ! Hardly an "older man" and certainly not old enough to be having prostate problems.

[scumdog]

WTF are you on about? He was only 58 ! Hardly an "older man" and certainly not old enough to be having prostate problems.

I agree.

Often get up, need a pee but something more important gets my attention (feed the chooks, look at KB etc) and I may not have that pee for another couple of hours.

But then I'm not 58 (yet).

[Oscar]

For BAIN, the real good stuff is still coming.............

My personal favourite is how the dad had an overnight full bladder.... You'd think if he was up planning the killing of his entire family, he would have had a nervous wee....

There are plenty of unsolved murders around the country, run by cops who have gone on to be promoted, so "no promotion for failure" is something the conspiracy theorists like to tout in support of the scumbags who were found guilty by 12....

Are the scumbags the guys who may or may not be guilty (Bain being a classic example), or the incompetent cops who so badly fucked up the case that we'll never know who did it?

The Bain case has now reached the point where a retrial is a farce, a waste of tax payers money. According to the Privy Council he didn't get a fair trail then, and he can't get one now (what sort of idiot destroys evidence, or doesn't use the date/numbering function on a forensic camera shoot?).

Let the guy go free, pay him compensation and try and do summat about the idjuts and the system that got us to this point.

[scumdog]

(what sort of idiot destroys evidence,

How long SHOULD evidence be held for??? forever - or less?

If so, how much 'less'??

[Oscar]

How long SHOULD evidence be held for??? forever - or less?

If so, how much 'less'??

In this case "less" was 18 months after the trial.

Very convenient.

[scumdog]

In this case "less" was 18 months after the trial.

Very convenient.

If it had been 5 years later would there be a difference?

Standard to get rid of evidence after the appeal period in most cases (all?)

[Oscar]

If it had been 5 years later would there be a difference?

Standard to get rid of evidence after the appeal period in most cases (all?)

Why?

If I'm required to keep tax documents for up to 10 years, why can't the cops keep evidence?

If we're talking capital offenses, it should be only after all avenues have been exhausted (Privy Council in this case), or the prisoner admits guilt or comes up for parole.

Besides, the destruction of evidence was only one of the fuck ups in this case.

[scumdog]

Why?

If I'm required to keep tax documents for up to 10 years, why can't the cops keep evidence?

That would be a fistful of tangled yarn for sure - i.e. victims wanting property used as evidence returned etc etc .

It would require a not inconsiderable effort to square away a law that would suit everybody regarding evidence.

[Patrick]

So the copper that burst in on Triboy was part of a conspiracy to get a murder conviction in Dunedin so Rob Pope could get promoted
Mean time Triboy sits like a wall flower cos no one from the Rozzas is talking to him because the red squad is too busy rounding up the usual suspects while their badges are at home in the wash

You guys gotta stop watching 'Days of our Lives'


If Patrick agrees you'll have a conspiracy.

I disagree... Triboy doesn't seem like the wall flower type...

See? No conspiracy...:msn-wink:


Are the scumbags the guys who may or may not be guilty (Bain being a classic example), or the incompetent cops who so badly fucked up the case that we'll never know who did it?

The Bain case has now reached the point where a retrial is a farce, a waste of tax payers money. According to the Privy Council he didn't get a fair trail then, and he can't get one now (what sort of idiot destroys evidence, or doesn't use the date/numbering function on a forensic camera shoot?).

Let the guy go free, pay him compensation and try and do summat about the idjuts and the system that got us to this point.

Try and do summit about the idjits who got us there in the first place? Let me see... a jury was convinced, beyond reasonable doubt, all 12 of em... it was appealed, and tossed. It went to the privvy council and was tossed. It wnet back and forth a few more times to the privvy council, until they finally got their way..... You are right. Something shoud be done about Joe KARAM, that bloody idjit.....

I am positive the cops didn't commit mass murder, yet you feel a mass murderer should get compensation and be let loose. Good one...

[Oscar]

That would be a fistful of tangled yarn for sure - i.e. victims wanting property used as evidence returned etc etc .

It would require a not inconsiderable effort to square away a law that would suit everybody regarding evidence.

The evidence in question is a blood stain on Robin Bain's hand.
It was never tested and I doubt the owner wants it back...

[Oscar]

Try and do summit about the idjits who got us there in the first place? Let me see... a jury was convinced, beyond reasonable doubt, all 12 of em... it was appealed, and tossed. It went to the privvy council and was tossed. It wnet back and forth a few more times to the privvy council, until they finally got their way..... You are right. Something shoud be done about Joe KARAM, that bloody idjit.....

I am positive the cops didn't commit mass murder, yet you feel a mass murderer should get compensation and be let loose. Good one...

Thanks to Police incompetence, we don't know if he's a mass-murderer or not.

And you remember all that stuff about being entitled to a fair trial, benefit of the doubt and all that? Has the Police College scrubbed that course in favour of more lessons on how to say fatuous things to citizens whilst you rob them blind on the Queen's Highway? Perhaps a new course on how to get away with historic rape allegations?

Now Karam may or may not be an idiot (personally I am of the former opinion), he made the cops look stupid, so what does that say about them..?

[scumdog]

Now Karam may or may not be an idiot (personally I am of the former opinion), he made the cops look stupid, so what does that say about them..?

Since we're all in rant mode - who did he make them look stupid to?

Gullible people??

[Oscar]

Since we're all in rant mode - who did he make them look stupid to?

Gullible people??

(rant mode - I can't find the "off" switch - it's been stuck on since election day 1984)


Non-cops.

[Patrick]

North and South did a great story a few years ago about KARAM and his team over their investigative methods.

If the cops acted the same way, the case would have been tossed befroe it got off the ground...

North and South sure aint cops.

The jury weren't cops. Neither were the judges on the court of appeal and the earlier privvy council.....

You're trolling for what, exactly...???

[Patrick]

Thanks to Police incompetence, we don't know if he's a mass-murderer or not.

And you remember all that stuff about being entitled to a fair trial, benefit of the doubt and all that? Has the Police College scrubbed that course in favour of more lessons on how to say fatuous things to citizens whilst you rob them blind on the Queen's Highway? Perhaps a new course on how to get away with historic rape allegations?

Now Karam may or may not be an idiot (personally I am of the former opinion), he made the cops look stupid, so what does that say about them..?

Ahhh... now I see where you are coming from... you got a ticket once or more.....

Cancel......

[Oscar]

North and South did a great story a few years ago about KARAM and his team over their investigative methods.

If the cops acted the same way, the case would have been tossed befroe it got off the ground...

North and South sure aint cops.

The jury weren't cops. Neither were the judges on the court of appeal and the earlier privvy council.....

You're trolling for what, exactly...???

I sold my boat.
This is the only fishing I get to do these days.

I hadn't realised that hooking, playing, land and gutting the Lesser Pigfish would be so much fun...I may never go back on the water...:laugh:

[Patrick]

I sold my boat.
This is the only fishing I get to do these days.

I hadn't realised that hooking, playing, land and gutting the Lesser Pigfish would be so much fun...I may never go back on the water...:laugh:

Ohhh... a Pig Fish... :eek:

So original... I guess that one got away then, since it spotted the troll....

Let it go. We all get tickets. Get over it.

[Oscar]

Ohhh... a Pig Fish... :eek:

So original... I guess that one got away then, since it spotted the troll....

Let it go. We all get tickets. Get over it.
Pigfish.
Yeah, it wasn't my best work, but whaddaya gonna do?


I haven't had a ticket for ages.
What I object to is the slow erosion of my rights.
Enabling random stopping for Breath Testing was a step on the slippery slope.
Now you see checkpoints for WOF's and rego - how can that be legal?

[Patrick]

I haven't had a ticket for ages.

I rest my case....

Now you see checkpoints for WOF's and rego - how can that be legal?

If you aint got em, it aint legal... simple, really....

[Oscar]

If you aint got em, it aint legal... simple, really....

I have got them, so explain the legalities of a wof/rego checkpoint.
Seriously, I would like to know.

[Patrick]

I have got them, so explain the legalities of a wof/rego checkpoint.
Seriously, I would like to know.

If your car does not have a current warrant of fitness or registration label, that is against the law. (ie = illegal). :girlfight:

Cars being used on any road, should have a current warrant of fitness, to show that it is capable of being used on such roads and is safe to be there. Warrants last for 6 months if vehicle is older than 5 years old. If new, or p to 5 years old, they last for 1 year. :love:

Registrations are mostly made up of ACC premiums, in case you or yours are involved in a crash, for example. :no:

If cars do not have these, the user can expect a ticket, or sometimes two if really deserving. If the vehicle is a real piece of shit, it can also get a really staunch looking :whistle: pink sticker slapped onto the windscreen (or a green one if it isn't too bad...).

But I am sure you knew this already... :Pokey:

You have em?

"Carry on, have a nice day, good on ya mate, nothing to see here, then...." No quota = no donut...:weep:

[Oscar]

If your car does not have a current warrant of fitness or registration label, that is against the law. (ie = illegal). :girlfight:

Cars being used on any road, should have a current warrant of fitness, to show that it is capable of being used on such roads and is safe to be there. Warrants last for 6 months if vehicle is older than 5 years old. If new, or p to 5 years old, they last for 1 year. :love:

Registrations are mostly made up of ACC premiums, in case you or yours are involved in a crash, for example. :no:

If cars do not have these, the user can expect a ticket, or sometimes two if really deserving. If the vehicle is a real piece of shit, it can also get a really staunch looking :whistle: pink sticker slapped onto the windscreen (or a green one if it isn't too bad...).

But I am sure you knew this already... :Pokey:

You have em?

"Carry on, have a nice day, good on ya mate, nothing to see here, then...." No quota = no donut...:weep:

You are very good with the obvious.

How is a cop able to stop me on a suburban street (when I'm going about my business in a lawful manner), and say "...just checking warrants and rego's today."???

[Patrick]

You are very good with the obvious.

How is a cop able to stop me on a suburban street (when I'm going about my business in a lawful manner), and say "...just checking warrants and rego's today."???

Usually by putting on the red and blues. Some times, a short burst of the siren helps...

[Oscar]

Usually by putting on the red and blues. Some times, a short burst of the siren helps...

If I was a suspicious bloke, I'd say you were obfuscating...


No, lights and sirens not required.
It was a Gendarme standing in the middle of the road with a clipboard.
A clipboard imbues a man with almost supernatural powers.

[scumdog]

Enabling random stopping for Breath Testing was a step on the slippery slope.
Now you see checkpoints for WOF's and rego - how can that be legal?

So how many times have you been pulled up for any of the above reasons??

ME? - about 5-6 times in the last twenty years.

(and no, I wasn't ALWAYS in this job and no, I don't have a secret "don't stop me and check my breath/WOF/rego" wave either)

[Oscar]

So how many times have you been pulled up for any of the above reasons??

ME? - about 5-6 times in the last twenty years.

(and no, I wasn't ALWAYS in this job and no, I don't have a secret "don't stop me and check my breath/WOF/rego" wave either)

Why does the number of times matter?
As far as I was aware, the only time you may be randomly stopped on the road is for a properly constituted breath alcohol test.

I must be right, as it's caused the fuzz on the board to go into a lather of obfuscation...

[scumdog]

Why does the number of times matter?
As far as I was aware, the only time you may be randomly stopped on the road is for a properly constituted breath alcohol test.

I must be right, as it's caused the fuzz on the board to go into a lather of obfuscation...

Anywhere, anytime to check if everything is up to WOF standard.


"I wanna see if yer spare wheel is secured proply sir"

[Oscar]

Anywhere, anytime to check if everything is up to WOF standard.


"I wanna see if yer spare wheel is secured proply sir"

So how does this not breach Section 4 of the Bill of Rights...?

[Patrick]

If I was a suspicious bloke, I'd say you were obfuscating...

I am a bloke too... I don't have eggs....

No, lights and sirens not required.
It was a Gendarme standing in the middle of the road with a clipboard.
A clipboard imbues a man with almost supernatural powers.

Oh yeah... that works too. Ignore it at your peril... but supernatural powers? That must be because he is wearing a uniform, because that makes em invincible and undefeatable... Its that, or the donut dust....

[Patrick]

Why does the number of times matter?
As far as I was aware, the only time you may be randomly stopped on the road is for a properly constituted breath alcohol test.

I must be right, as it's caused the fuzz on the board to go into a lather of obfuscation...

Drivers shouldn't be stopped to see if their car is roadworthy?

Drivers shouldn't be stopped to see if they have a current drivers licence?

Funny world you live in......


So how does this not breach Section 4 of the Bill of Rights...?

It wouldn't be, if it is for a check to see if the spare tyre is secured properly....

[Oscar]

Oh yeah... that works too. Ignore it at your peril... but supernatural powers? That must be because he is wearing a uniform, because that makes em invincible and undefeatable... Its that, or the donut dust....

Apparently it makes them unable to get to the point, either.
Exactly how is this semi-supernatural being able to stop me going about my lawful business?

[Patrick]

Apparently it makes them unable to get to the point, either.
Exactly how is this semi-supernatural being able to stop me going about my lawful business?

I am fairly sure its acually in the donut dust.

[Matt_TG]

Apparently it makes them unable to get to the point, either.
Exactly how is this semi-supernatural being able to stop me going about my lawful business?

Don't you know ....... ?

or is a rhetoric question?

I reckon they're gonna play with you for a while. You seem to enjoy it :)

[Oscar]

Drivers shouldn't be stopped to see if their car is roadworthy?

Drivers shouldn't be stopped to see if they have a current drivers licence?

Funny world you live in......



It wouldn't be, if it is for a check to see if the spare tyre is secured properly....

So you'll be checking ID's on the street now?
Actually that's a good question - do cops actually get out of their cars these days?.

Practice your lines:
Seine Papeiren, Bitte, Mein Herr!

[Oscar]

Don't you know ....... ?

or is a rhetoric question?

I reckon they're gonna play with you for a while. You seem to enjoy it :)

...while you just sit and watch your rights fade away.
Just keep on not giving a shit...'cause thinking for yourself is hard, isn't it?
Lumpen proletariat, here you come.

[Patrick]

So you'll be checking ID's on the street now?
Actually that's a good question - do cops actually get out of their cars these days?.

Since most cars are stopped on the streets, well... yes...

And, yes...??? While getting donuts...

Practice your line:
Seine Papeiren, Bitte, Mein Herr!

I only speak the english good ay...

Seine is a river..?
Papeiren = paper? River paper = loo paper???
Bitte... Ummm...
Mein Herr = YOUR sheila?

Confused...

[Patrick]

...while you just sit and watch your rights fade away.
Just keep on not giving a shit...'cause thinking for yourself is hard, isn't it?
Lumpen proletariat, here you come.

The sky is falling.... the sky is falling....

[Oscar]

I only speak the english good ay...

Seine is a river..?
Papeiren = paper? River paper = loo paper???
Bitte... Ummm...
Mein Herr = YOUR sheila?

Confused...

I hadn't realised quite how low recruitment standards had got.
I'll bet you made Inspector in record time...

Ps: - It's "eh", by the way.

As in: Apparently your English isn't that good, eh?

[Patrick]

I hadn't realised quite how low recruitment standards had got.
I'll bet you made Inspector in record time...

I must have skipped the German part of the entrance test.

Inspector? Pfft..... I have common sense.

[Patrick]

Ps: - It's "eh", by the way.

As in: Apparently your English isn't that good, eh?

AY?

Speak up,can't hear ya....

I speak england real good like ay.

[Patrick]

Seine Papeiren, Bitte, Mein Herr!

SHIT. I said speak up, don't yell...!!! My ears, my ears...

[Oscar]

I must have skipped the German part of the entrance test.



I heard the answers were available on the internet...

[Patrick]

I heard the answers were available on the internet...

Yeah. I wonder if I can improve on my marks now I have the answers....

Are the Inspectors exam answers there too?

[Oscar]

AY?

Speak up,can't hear ya....

I speak england real good like ay.

I have no doubt.
You'd be considered a genius in Taranaki with that grasp of the reo.
You appear to have a good grasp of something, anyway...

[Patrick]

I have no doubt.
You'd be considered a genius in Taranaki with that grasp of the reo.
You appear to have a good grasp of something, anyway...

Geez... you're not very good at this fishing game, are ya?

Yeah, I have a good grip on me bourbon at the mo. How did you know?

[Oscar]

Geez... you're not very good at this fishing game, are ya?

Yeah, I have a good grip on me bourbon at the mo. How did you know?

It's making you smarter...












...although I'm fairly sure you have only one possible direction you can go in that regard.

[Oscar]

Geez... you're not very good at this fishing game, are ya?



You're still here, ain't you?

[peasea]

Why don't you two have dinner?

[Oscar]

Why don't you two have dinner?

I just paused for a cleansing ale (or three)...

[Patrick]

he repeats himself... not my type... sounds like a nag....

[Patrick]

You're still here, ain't you?

Yeah... its funny...

Little things amuse little minds...:lol:

[Oscar]

Yeah... its funny...

Little things amuse little minds...:lol:

"Small things amuse small minds, whilst bigger fools look on in sympathy"

You should learn the whole quote.

[Patrick]

...whilst you rob them blind on the Queen's Highway? Perhaps a new course on how to get away with historic rape allegations?...

Just a re-cap...

You seem like such a nice guy and all....:shutup:

I am a robbing rapist....


I hadn't realised that hooking, playing, land and gutting the Lesser Pigfish would be so much fun...I

Who was playing whom? You win...:innocent:


Pigfish.
Yeah, it wasn't my best work, but whaddaya gonna do?

Grow up, perhaps?


...You'd be considered a genius in Taranaki with that grasp of the reo.
You appear to have a good grasp of something, anyway...

Ahhh... someone was pulling something, but it was not I.....

And....


It's making you smarter...
...although I'm fairly sure you have only one possible direction you can go in that regard.


"Small things amuse small minds, whilst bigger fools look on in sympathy"

You should learn the whole quote.

Why? Will it get me places? Or you taking the piss out of anyone wanting a read of this drivel on KB?

Such open hostility.... and not a bite.....

So who was playing whom again?:rolleyes::clap::bye:

[Patrick]

I have got them, so explain the legalities of a wof/rego checkpoint.
Seriously, I would like to know.

Since you don't want to play nice...

Its in the Traffic Regulations and in the Land Transport Act. There is powers to stop and inspect vehicles for road worthiness and driver licences.

Then there are the other statutory powers of stopping, search and seizure...

See ya

[Oscar]

Since you don't want to play nice...

Its in the Traffic Regulations and in the Land Transport Act. There is powers to stop and inspect vehicles for road worthiness and driver licences.

Then there are the other statutory powers of stopping, search and seizure...

See ya

Touchy.

Section 114 gives you the power to stop a vehicle for as long as it takes to establish the drivers identity and/or ownership of the vehicle.

Where does the random stopping for WOF thing come in?

[Matt_TG]

I assume that you are referring to the Land Transport Act 1998 No 110. Look to the previous section.

Section 113, Enforcement officers may enforce transport legislation, says that an Enforcement Officer may enforce the provisions of a number of acts, including those that cover a vehicle's eligibility to be on the road (ie WoFs), and in order to do that may pull a vehicle over, inspect, test or examine it, and ask for the driver's details.

Seems quite clear to me.

[Oscar]

I assume that you are referring to the Land Transport Act 1998 No 110. Look to the previous section.

Section 113, Enforcement officers may enforce transport legislation, says that an Enforcement Officer may enforce the provisions of a number of acts, including those that cover a vehicle's eligibility to be on the road (ie WoFs), and in order to do that may pull a vehicle over, inspect, test or examine it, and ask for the driver's details.

Seems quite clear to me.

Thanks.

I wonder why those two coppers couldn't say that?

I still don't understand why two coppers are wasting their time blocking a main thoroughfare, checking regos and wofs on every car, when they could be looking at parked cars for the same info (like the feckin meter wankers do). That would be much more efficient and not as "big brotherly".

[spudchucka]

Touchy.

Section 114 gives you the power to stop a vehicle for as long as it takes to establish the drivers identity and/or ownership of the vehicle.

Where does the random stopping for WOF thing come in?

That's not all it allows for, go back and read the rest of the section.

[tri boy]

Mr rozza left a message on my phone today.:clap:
Contact has been made, and I will call him tomorrow to discuss a suitable time to meet up.
He actually sounds very human, and polite.
But he hasn't fooled me totally. I'll be checking for a second pair of eyelids that close in a vertical position when he blinks, and will tempt him with sugar coated doughnuts. If he drools, then he is the real deal, if he double blinks, and ignores them, then he is an impostor. Either way my guard will be up:lol:

[twotyred]

Mr rozza left a message on my phone today.:clap:
Contact has been made, and I will call him tomorrow to discuss a suitable time to meet up.
He actually sounds very human, and polite.
But he hasn't fooled me totally. I'll be checking for a second pair of eyelids that close in a vertical position when he blinks, and will tempt him with sugar coated doughnuts. If he drools, then he is the real deal, if he double blinks, and ignores them, then he is an impostor. Either way my guard will be up:lol:

very wise,remember they are trained how to be amiable and get on side with you.

You shouldn't answer any questions no matter how friendly they appear... could be tricky?

best wishes

[SixPackBack]

Mr rozza left a message on my phone today.:clap:
Contact has been made, and I will call him tomorrow to discuss a suitable time to meet up.
He actually sounds very human, and polite.
But he hasn't fooled me totally. I'll be checking for a second pair of eyelids that close in a vertical position when he blinks, and will tempt him with sugar coated doughnuts. If he drools, then he is the real deal, if he double blinks, and ignores them, then he is an impostor. Either way my guard will be up:lol:

Shit I'm impressed the coppers recontacted you tri boy-gives me faith in the system.

Feed him some donuts and chill out.:rockon:

[scumdog]

I still don't understand why two coppers are wasting their time blocking a main thoroughfare, checking regos and wofs on every car, when they could be looking at parked cars for the same info (like the feckin meter wankers do). That would be much more efficient and not as "big brotherly".

Plurry hard to pick up a disqualy driver, a drunk driver or a WTA when there's nobody behind the wheel. (or in the car at all).

Just my guess....:msn-wink:

[Oscar]

Plurry hard to pick up a disqualy driver, a drunk driver or a WTA when there's nobody behind the wheel. (or in the car at all).

Just my guess....:msn-wink:

I doubt they're gonna find many of those in the suburbs at 11am.
It's all about road safety though, isn't it?

[Patrick]

Thanks.

I wonder why those two coppers couldn't say that?

I still don't understand why two coppers are wasting their time blocking a main thoroughfare, checking regos and wofs on every car, when they could be looking at parked cars for the same info (like the feckin meter wankers do). That would be much more efficient and not as "big brotherly".

I could... you weren't playing nice so...:bleh:

You found section 114 and I assumed you read all of it... then section 113, which is just in front of it, was there to be seen too.... Tunnel vision must be a blast....


I doubt they're gonna find many of those in the suburbs at 11am.
It's all about road safety though, isn't it?

Oh thats right, drunk drivers and disqually drivers don't drive in the suburbs at 11am...:stupid:

[peasea]

I doubt they're gonna find many of those in the suburbs at 11am.
It's all about road safety though, isn't it?

Don't be so sure. Just the other day a guy I know blew 400 at just about that time. He was pretty hung-over. Keys taken, told to come back in 12 hours coz he hadn't been 'OVER' 400. Just goes to show.......

[Oscar]

I could... you weren't playing nice so...:bleh:



Have you recovered from your hissy fit then?:baby:

Pot kettle black etc...

[jahrasti]

I doubt they're gonna find many of those in the suburbs at 11am.
It's all about road safety though, isn't it?

This is the quote of the year. I am going to print it off and pin it up at work.

[Patrick]

Have you recovered from your hissy fit then?:baby:

Pot kettle black etc...

And what abuse/cock comments did I make in return???? You lost ya rag little fella...

I get abuse at work all the time, ... usually drunk scrotes though....

I was way over it back at the red squad comments. Just went fishing..... and the reel screamed...

Oh well, fun over....

Hey - I had learned German, you will be so pleased... Just forgot about it....

It gets the land sharks going....

[Winston001]

Pigfish.

What I object to is the slow erosion of my rights.
Enabling random stopping for Breath Testing was a step on the slippery slope.
Now you see checkpoints for WOF's and rego - how can that be legal?

Until about 1984 random stopping was illegal but the Court of Appeal then decided to allow it as the reasonable exercise of powers under the Transport Act 1981. Parliament hardened that up by confirming the powers in legislation.

But I'm with you Oscar in principle. Who watches the watchers? :Police: We do need to be vigilant about erosion of our freedoms and one of those used to be the ability to move around without let or hindrance. "Show me your papers....." isn't a long step from random stopping - and in case anyone thinks that's an exaggeration, the police already hold the power to require you to identify yourself. Name age and address.

Rage rage against the dying of the light.....

[Oscar]

Until about 1984 random stopping was illegal but the Court of Appeal then decided to allow it as the reasonable exercise of powers under the Transport Act 1981. Parliament hardened that up by confirming the powers in legislation.

But I'm with you Oscar in principle. Who watches the watchers? :Police: We do need to be vigilant about erosion of our freedoms and one of those used to be the ability to move around without let or hindrance. "Show me your papers....." isn't a long step from random stopping - and in case anyone thinks that's an exaggeration, the police already hold the power to require you to identify yourself. Name age and address.

Rage rage against the dying of the light.....

And the supercilious attitude/comments by the Cops here don't exactly fill me with confidence...

[Oscar]

And what abuse/cock comments did I make in return???? You lost ya rag little fella...

I get abuse at work all the time, ... usually drunk scrotes though....

I was way over it back at the red squad comments. Just went fishing..... and the reel screamed...

Oh well, fun over....

Hey - I had learned German, you will be so pleased... Just forgot about it....

It gets the land sharks going....

You should check which end of that line yer holding.
For someone who is only fishing you spend a lot of time bleating and whining:crybaby:

[Winston001]

And the supercilious attitude/comments by the Cops here don't exactly fill me with confidence...

Yeah but the guys here get abused daily doing their job, and then abused online as well. Can't blame them for being dismissive, particularly if you consider some of the outrageous and laughable anti-cop stuff posted. I suspect they can't be bothered explaining because next day there will be a new thread with the same stuff.

[Oscar]

Yeah but the guys here get abused daily doing their job, and then abused online as well. Can't blame them for being dismissive, particularly if you consider some of the outrageous and laughable anti-cop stuff posted. I suspect they can't be bothered explaining because next day there will be a new thread with the same stuff.

Yeah there may be some truth in that, but it is in a forum entitled "rant or rave" and at sometime everybody gets abused in here.

Notwithstanding that, there has been a radical shift in the attitude of the public (IMHO) in the last generation. Thanks to a combination of stringent highway policing and that wanker from the LTSA, the cops have lost a lot of respect over the last 20 or 30 years.

[Big Dave]

First time Summy has been called super anything since 'streak'.

[tri boy]

Had a nice chat with a certain traffic sarge this morning.
Very relaxed and informative.
After a breif discussion on the severity of the issue and process that is generally set in motion, we both agreed that it was more a misinterpretation by both parties in how such situations like this are handled to achieve the best outcome, and that communication seemed to have broken down by the speed in which the requests, and following entry into the house had happened.
My view was that if a little more time was allowed for mutual understanding of both parties positions in the situation, rather than the more "enthusiastic approach", then there would of been no escalation of the situation.
The sarge did say that the officer had been assigned to his sector for at least two years, and was a very good character, and also freely mentioned that he was "enthusiastic" and confident.
My suggestions with regards to slowing such situations down a bit to allow joe citizen to get a handle on the moment was well received, and were to be passed on to the rozza.
End result? Good communication was shared, and the system was shown to work.
This was a minor complaint, and I wouldn't compare it to serious, complex situations, but my faith with our policing system and complaints procedures remain intact.:yes:

[spudchucka]

Yeah there may be some truth in that, but it is in a forum entitled "rant or rave" and at sometime everybody gets abused in here.

So are you only allowed to rank and rave if you are of a specific vocation?

[spudchucka]

the police already hold the power to require you to identify yourself[/B]. Name age and address.

In certain circumstances only, under the Land Transport Act or when under arrest for an offence. You can't just go around stopping people on the street, demanding to see their "papers".

[Oscar]

So are you only allowed to rank and rave if you are of a specific vocation?

Er..no - I said everyone gets the borax at some stage.
I am certainly not immune - one of my earliest rep. comments called me a "scrotum licking fuckhead".
Crude, but it has a certain idiomatic poetry to it....

[Patrick]

You should check which end of that line yer holding.
For someone who is only fishing you spend a lot of time bleating and whining:crybaby:

Pot kettle black....???


Yeah but the guys here get abused daily doing their job, and then abused online as well. Can't blame them for being dismissive, particularly if you consider some of the outrageous and laughable anti-cop stuff posted. I suspect they can't be bothered explaining because next day there will be a new thread with the same stuff.

Makes one wonder, "why bother..." but hey...

Helped more out than upset, by a long shot, both at work and on here... Thats why, I suppose.....


Notwithstanding that, there has been a radical shift in the attitude of the public (IMHO) in the last generation. Thanks to a combination of stringent highway policing and that wanker from the LTSA, the cops have lost a lot of respect over the last 20 or 30 years.

The merger was 16 years ago or more... but some can't let it go... No one likes getting tickets, I know I sure don't... but who is to blame? One look in the mirror is a good clue. Blaming H/W, Snakes, whatever, is blame shifting to a target which can't fight back.

The bad media beat ups of recent years also fuel the lack of respect, but when one looks at it, it is the actions of a very few, which affect the look of the other 11,000 odd.... You just can't sort that out, probably never will, because there will always be something that will happen and we make news... great news...., which sells papers/ratings.

But hey, cops still rate better than car salesmen and polititians..:2thumbsup:woohoo: I'd be worried if they pass us in them polls....:shit:


Had a nice chat with a certain traffic sarge this morning. Very relaxed and informative........End result? Good communication was shared, and the system was shown to work.
This was a minor complaint, and I wouldn't compare it to serious, complex situations, but my faith with our policing system and complaints procedures remain intact.:yes:

And good on ya... two way streets are a good thing.

[SixPackBack]

The merger was 16 years ago or more... but some can't let it go... No one likes getting tickets, I know I sure don't... but who is to blame? One look in the mirror is a good clue. Blaming H/W, Snakes, whatever, is blame shifting to a target which can't fight back.

The bad media beat ups of recent years also fuel the lack of respect, but when one looks at it, it is the actions of a very few, which affect the look of the other 11,000 odd.... You just can't sort that out, probably never will, because there will always be something that will happen and we make news... great news...., which sells papers/ratings.

But hey, cops still rate better than car salesmen and polititians..:2thumbsup:woohoo: I'd be worried if they pass us in them polls....:shit:.

A sizeable porportion of the general public see's highway patrol as glorified tax collectors-people hate them with good reason!.............personally I beleive if the coppers had stayed split between cops/traffic the general public and media would have far more confidence in the general copper population.

It's with some irony I note that even the coppers use the term s 'land sharks', 'snakes', and 'mermaids'!?..................my experience with friends in the force over the years is a divide does exist and mutual respect is not always that flash-we all know there exists good reasons for these attitudes to exist.:Police:

[Patrick]

A sizeable porportion of the general public see's highway patrol as glorified tax collectors-people hate them with good reason!.............personally I beleive if the coppers had stayed split between cops/traffic the general public and media would have far more confidence in the general copper population.

It's with some irony I note that even the coppers use the term s 'land sharks', 'snakes', and 'mermaids'!?..................my experience with friends in the force over the years is a divide does exist and mutual respect is not always that flash-we all know there exists good reasons for these attitudes to exist.:Police:

Interestingly, most of the bad press in recent years has been from cops, not ex MOT (although there has been some...).

Land sharks = Police dog... as in "rips you to pieces."
Snakes = traffic
Mermaids = ....... :msn-wink: CVIU

There might be a divide of sorts, but everyone has to do time in the snake pit. It is all part of the job. Watch House, Public Counter are shittier IMHO, but everyone gets a go....

As for a divide, not so sure... there was at the time of the merger, but that was sooooooooo 16 years ago....

[Winston001]

In certain circumstances only, under the Land Transport Act or when under arrest for an offence. You can't just go around stopping people on the street, demanding to see their "papers".

You've got powers under the Crimes Act too, but I take your point. However there is a bonus - the common law powers of a constable apply to the police in NZ - confirmed by the useful Mr John Minto v Police - [1987] 1 NZLR 374. It's laid out in Halsbury somewhere but oddly enough I don't have that here in the living room. :laugh:

That includes the basic right to stop citizens and ascertain their identity - provided you do so in the execution of your duty. So no stopping chicks just to get their details....... :eek:

[Winston001]

A sizeable porportion of the general public see's highway patrol as glorified tax collectors-people hate them with good reason!.............personally I beleive if the coppers had stayed split between cops/traffic the general public and media would have far more confidence in the general copper population.



I tend to agree. Not that it's exactly fair on whatever branch picks up traffic work, but part of the disillusionment with our police can be attributed to speeding tickets. At least that's the impression I get from ordinary people. Couple that with the likes of Shipton, Rikard etc and it's a damned shame the loss of public respect.

[spudchucka]

That includes the basic right to stop citizens and ascertain their identity - provided you do so in the execution of your duty. So no stopping chicks just to get their details....... :eek:

You can't just demand the details of anyone walking down the street minding their own business, which is what your reference to the Gestapo style, "show me your papers" implied.

The LTA allows you to demand particulars from a person driving a motor vehicle on a road, the Arms Act allows you to demand particulars from persons in possession of firearms etc and makes it an offence to refuse those particulars. The Crimes Act also bestows powers but not to the point that you can stop anyone ,anywhere, demand their particulars and lock them up if they refuse. Those powers only kick in once a person has committed an offence.

[Winston001]

You can't just demand the details of anyone walking down the street minding their own business, which is what your reference to the Gestapo style, "show me your papers" implied.

The LTA allows you to demand particulars from a person driving a motor vehicle on a road, the Arms Act allows you to demand particulars from persons in possession of firearms etc and makes it an offence to refuse those particulars. The Crimes Act also bestows powers but not to the point that you can stop anyone ,anywhere, demand their particulars and lock them up if they refuse. Those powers only kick in once a person has committed an offence.

Yep yep and good on you, heartening to see respect and understanding of the limits of powers. I guess the common law gets forgotten when most of us are used to statutory rights and limitations.

My point - and it is a small one (which the doctor refuses to enlarge :rofl:) is that for centuries the common law has allowed a constable to stop and ascertain the identity of citizens while undertaking his lawful duties. Thus if there was riot and affray at a location, after the obligatory 'Ello 'ello 'ello, whats all this then?...... you can legitimately stop and identify persons in the vicinity. If they disagree, you could arrest and ask them to come quietly to the station.

Having said that, if the citizens spoken to were a couple of grannies, a judge may not agree with you. But if they were wearing red or blue colours, welll.......its all on. :2thumbsup:

[Ixion]

That power predates the police force. It derives from the ancient power of watch and ward. But there is no obligation on the subject to *prove* his identity. He must merely provide a name and address.He need not produce identity papers of cards. Of course, if the watchman (police officer nowadays) suspects he has been given a false name he may arrest on that basis . Though he would do well to be sure of his grounds.

[spudchucka]

Yep yep and good on you, heartening to see respect and understanding of the limits of powers. I guess the common law gets forgotten when most of us are used to statutory rights and limitations.

My point - and it is a small one (which the doctor refuses to enlarge :rofl:) is that for centuries the common law has allowed a constable to stop and ascertain the identity of citizens while undertaking his lawful duties. Thus if there was riot and affray at a location, after the obligatory 'Ello 'ello 'ello, whats all this then?...... you can legitimately stop and identify persons in the vicinity. If they disagree, you could arrest and ask them to come quietly to the station.

Having said that, if the citizens spoken to were a couple of grannies, a judge may not agree with you. But if they were wearing red or blue colours, welll.......its all on. :2thumbsup:

The common law allows you to stop and speak to anyone, however the common law does not "require" them to speak back if they don't want to. It doesn't allow you to detain people and demand their particulars at the threat of arrest if they refuse, only statutory powers in certain circumstances permit that.


common law has allowed a constable to stop and ascertain the identity of citizens while undertaking his lawful duties.If those lawful duties being undertaken give the constable a statutory power to demand they offer their identity.

If their was a riot to deal with the last thing any cop would be doing is acquiring the details of onlookers and there are numerous public order offences that would enable the police to deal with the rioters appropriately.

[spudchucka]

Of course, if the watchman (police officer nowadays) suspects he has been given a false name he may arrest on that basis . Though he would do well to be sure of his grounds.

Only where particular statutes require a person to give their name and address.

[Winston001]

That power predates the police force. It derives from the ancient power of watch and ward. But there is no obligation on the subject to *prove* his identity. He must merely provide a name and address.He need not produce identity papers of cards. Of course, if the watchman (police officer nowadays) suspects he has been given a false name he may arrest on that basis . Though he would do well to be sure of his grounds.

Agreed. We aren't at the point yet of having to produce "papers" but it's common for people now to reach for their photographic drivers licence as a means of identity. So our social habits are changing and in a generation I suggest everyone will accept showing an identity card.

[Max Preload]

And this just in: "A Wellington police superintendent who refused to take a breath-test was within his rights... " (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10638379)

[peasea]

And this just in: "A Wellington police superintendent who refused to take a breath-test was within his rights... " (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10638379)

His rights, not anyone else's.

[scumdog]

His rights, not anyone else's.

Yup, the same rights as anybody else could claim...

[Kickaha]

Yup, the same rights as anybody else could claim...

How dare you point that out

[Smifffy]

Yup, the same rights as anybody else could claim...

I call BS on that.

Ok perhaps anyone else could claim them, whether it would work or not is extremely doubtful IMO.

Bosses eh?

[Max Preload]

Yup, the same rights as anybody else could claim...

That would be denied had he not known them. Just as would the OP's.

[Max Preload]

Ok perhaps anyone else could claim them, whether it would work or not is extremely doubtful IMO.

The only difference is that you or I would be threatened with arrest. I wouldn't fall for that trick though.

[rustic101]

the snake pit.

This term was coined by the late Superintendent Steve Fitzgerald; when, during the pre merger he pasted a sign in the 'Traffic Officers' section of the office which simply read "Snake Pit" and another in the Police corner reading "Pig Pen".... Caused a bit of a giggle all round I've been told.

[SMOKEU]

This term was coined by the late Superintendent Steve Fitzgerald; when, during the pre merger he pasted a sign in the 'Traffic Officers' section of the office which simply read "Snake Pit" and another in the Police corner reading "Pig Pen".... Caused a bit of a giggle all round I've been told.

Haha nice one. FTP represent!

[peasea]

Yup, the same rights as anybody else could claim...

Claiming and succeeding are two different things. If Joe Public pulled a stunt like that the outcome would be different, no doubt.

[scumdog]

I call BS on that.

Ok perhaps anyone else could claim them, whether it would work or not is extremely doubtful IMO.

Bosses eh?

Of course it would work for anyone else - problem is: almost 'everyone else' doesn't know about such laws.

And you need to read the whole report on this.

[Smifffy]

Of course it would work for anyone else - problem is: almost 'everyone else' doesn't know about such laws.

And you need to read the whole report on this.

That "everyone else doesn't know about such laws" perpetuates the public's perception (alliteration prize perhaps?) that "there is one law for them, and another for the rest of us" IMO.

I probably do need to read the whole report, but why let facts complicate a good old knee jerk snook cocking at the IRD?

[Winston001]

His rights, not anyone else's.

Well no, its the same rights we all have. I doubt it would even be reported if he was a truck driver, accountant, lawyer, school teacher etc.

Nevertheless I also agree with the Police that a higher standard can and should be expected from their members.

[peasea]

Well no, its the same rights we all have. I doubt it would even be reported if he was a truck driver, accountant, lawyer, school teacher etc.

Quite probably, however if the guy had simply blown in the bag it would never had got reported either. (Or would it?) If he had nothing to hide then why not blow in the bag? It all smells of "he had something to hide" and through NOT blowing in the bag it gives the perception that he was drunk and got away with it.

The public can be forgiven for thinking this is the case. Perhaps the headline should have read something like; "Another sneaky cop scurries for cover with his guilt being whitewashed by his cohorts."

Distinct odour of rattus rattus.

[scumdog]

Quite probably, however if the guy had simply blown in the bag it would never had got reported either. (Or would it?) If he had nothing to hide then why not blow in the bag? It all smells of "he had something to hide" and through NOT blowing in the bag it gives the perception that he was drunk and got away with it.

The public can be forgiven for thinking this is the case. Perhaps the headline should have read something like; "Another sneaky cop scurries for cover with his guilt being whitewashed by his cohorts."

Distinct odour of rattus rattus.

No 'guilt' (well it wasn't proved, was it?)

And no whitewash.

He was cunning and knew what to do.

[peasea]

No 'guilt' (well it wasn't proved, was it?)

And no whitewash.

He was cunning and knew what to do.

No guilt....insert Tui ad here.

[scumdog]

No guilt....insert Tui ad here.

I like your attitude - a pity judges didn't have the same.....no need for juries, trials or any other time-wasting courts.

[peasea]

I like your attitude - a pity judges didn't have the same.....no need for juries, trials or any other time-wasting courts.

Glad you approve.

(Go the Holdens.)