Dodgy passing

[slofox]

We all go on about idiots on bikes passing lines of cars on the wrong side of the road into a left hander with no visibility and oncoming traffic, yes? Well, I do - to myself anyway.....
SO today I joined their ranks...:(...north of Pirongia, heading south on SH39, stuck behind an old Citroen, waiting waiting for the chance to pass...comes a wee straight and I thinks "just go ya wuss......" and as soon as I move out there appears, fast coming t'other way, a car...so I have to crank it and dive through the rapidly closing gap.
Not really too dangerous in reality but unnecessary, avoidable risk...and further damage to the biker rep... "Look at that fucking maniac passing like that..!!!!!! Oughta bust him in to the coppers!" :Pokey:
So I continued on, feeling a little remiss...:Oops:...until about 100km further on, I meet real loonies - a herd of H-D's, riders all with Germanic helmets, roaring (literally!) past a huge line of cars, wrong side of the road, etc etc etc.....After that I decided I was a very minor sinner only.....
'twas a great day for a ride though....:clap:

[trustme]

The missus was following me down SH 16 on Sunday arvo. It was a bit gusty & her 250 was getting blown around so she held a steady 90 kph.
A line of cars passes her on the other side heading north
A late model black Triumph Speed Triple , loaded with gear , rider in black blasts past her at speed on her left, hooks right then passes me on my RHS.
In 35 years of riding I dont think I have ever passed another rider that way.
He showed less consideration for his fellow riders than the worst of the dopey car drivers.
Is it me who has it wrong or do some of us have a hell of a lot to learn, I bet we would all abuse hell out of a car driver who did that, what makes us so special.

[sinfull]

The missus was following me down SH 16 on Sunday arvo. It was a bit gusty & her 250 was getting blown around so she held a steady 90 kph.
A line of cars passes her on the other side heading north
A late model black Triumph Speed Triple , loaded with gear , rider in black blasts past her at speed on her left, hooks right then passes me on my RHS.
In 35 years of riding I dont think I have ever passed another rider that way.
He showed less consideration for his fellow riders than the worst of the dopey car drivers.
Is it me who has it wrong or do some of us have a hell of a lot to learn, I bet we would all abuse hell out of a car driver who did that, what makes us so special.

You seem to be confused as to us, me, we and them ! Or is it biker versus cager ? Enlighten me, was this fiend your brother, friend, work mate ?
the way you said "us" made me think brotherhood !
I forced my Mrs to learn to ride left on the highway (unless she see's hazzards on her left, such as undisclosed driveways, crossroads, parked cars) You can resite all the road code, ride safe quotes ya like here, but i use my lane to its fullest and so now does Heidi ! (I'm just guessing here that your good lady was in the right hand wheel track with an L plate on ? The wind was a bitch on sunday, i know !)
I watch out for my woman from the right hand wheel track just behind her, with her visor in her mirror so she knows just where i am ! Because what is going to take her out is not just whats in front but what comes from behind while learning ! I will be balsy enough to say i know whats a km behind me and place myself (if anything closes on us) as a block to cover her ass !
We are us, Her and i, when we're out together ! Not you and i and the Kb forum or every other biker out there ! Danger may come in all forms, a car or a bike or a dog, bird, stoat, fish (ok floundering here) !
This fella on the triple sounds like a (david help me here) red misted knob jockey who should know better ! But then he is prolly an experienced rider who found that manouver the simplest of passes (don't excuse it) ! But then did you or you good lady see him coming, closing on you at speed ? Did you move over to let him through, knowing you were prolly doing half his pace ?
I have been red misted, i have been curtious, i have seen L platers make silly passing moves into oncoming traffic, i have made them !

Everybody is a fuckwit my friend !
Kb And the general biking community is fantastic and i would never pass a biker on the side of the road needing help and would always offer any advice or help where i can !
But on the open road everybody is a threat ! When Her and i are riding together it is just us ! The rest are the rest !

[pc220]

Sad fact is there is alot of riders both on sports bikes and cruisers with the attitude " Im the best rider on the biggest baddest bike and i dont give a fuck about anyone else".

[hang0ver]

Sad fact is there is alot of riders both on sports bikes and cruisers with the attitude " Im the best rider on the biggest baddest bike and i dont give a fuck about anyone else".

Come to think of it, I've seen Charlie/Ewan wannabes going for broke on Dual's also...

[slofox]

The missus was following me down SH 16 on Sunday arvo. It was a bit gusty & her 250 was getting blown around so she held a steady 90 kph.
A line of cars passes her on the other side heading north
A late model black Triumph Speed Triple , loaded with gear , rider in black blasts past her at speed on her left, hooks right then passes me on my RHS.
In 35 years of riding I dont think I have ever passed another rider that way.
He showed less consideration for his fellow riders than the worst of the dopey car drivers.
Is it me who has it wrong or do some of us have a hell of a lot to learn, I bet we would all abuse hell out of a car driver who did that, what makes us so special.

I HAVE had a car pass on the inside.....in a 50k zone....gawd!

[bsasuper]

Always remember early 90's im on my gpz900r, bloke on zzr1100 rockets past me at warp speed, to fast as he now fast approaches a tight right hander, he hit the front brakes locking the wheel for a few meters then goes down, I almost hit him as he rolls across the road.Bad news was he was hurt (he had normal jeans on,lost a big patch of skin off thigh) .While waiting for the ambo ,tells me the bike was only a week old.Im guilty to but ill blame being young dumb and full of come.I overtook a few cars on the motorway on the shoulder doing warp speed, just as a cop on his harley(yes they used HD cop bikes in Perth )came down a onramp,got pinged dangerous riding.

[AllanB]

I find the best way to govern yourself when considering passing is ask yourself -

'Is it safe if there is another bike coming the other way at speed?'

'Well is it punk?'

[The Stranger]

So I continued on, feeling a little remiss...:Oops:...until about 100km further on, I meet real loonies - a herd of H-D's, riders all with Germanic helmets, roaring (literally!) past a huge line of cars, wrong side of the road, etc etc etc.....After that I decided I was a very minor sinner only.....
'twas a great day for a ride though....:clap:


Best draw this to katman's attention so he may go reprimand them for ruining our good reputation.

[AllanB]

Best draw this to katman's attention so he may go reprimand them for ruining our good reputation.

:lol::lol:

I draw a big breath through rounded lips, roll my eyes, shake my head and grin, then set the timer to see how long it takes for this post to degrade to the point it ends up in PD.


As a side note, 28 years ago when I started riding some of the appeal was the 'rebel', slightly anti-social appearance of motorcycling.

[caseye]

While I sympathise with you in this situation I have to agree with sinfull, these days it is simply me,you,us, depending on the number of riders accompanying versus the rest.
These days while riding and or driving the car, I seem to be seeing many many more bike riders doing stupid things than ever before.
Once you only ever saw riders lane splitting, when traffic was at a standstill, these days it seems fair enough to split at any speed with no regard for safety, their own or the other motorists.
Riders these days seem to be road rash proof too, so many fools riding with no protective gear except a lid, on large, medium and small bikes, do they not know what is in store for them if that fool in front stops dead?
Gives us all a bad name! this sort of stupid behaviour.
Funny thing is, usually the idiot on a large bike splitting lanes at 80 or more K's per hour is alos the idiot with nothing but a good helmet in the way of protective gear, perhaps we could weed them out at birth? you know a multi choice questionaire at licence time, would you lane split in traffic moving at 80 or more K's per hour?
/Not sure. B/ maybe. C/All the time! D/ all of the above!
Naturally, any answer would mean an instant frontal labotomy and the removal of the balance Gene so they damn well can't ever ride anyhow.

[Manxman]

I HAVE had a car pass on the inside.....in a 50k zone....gawd!

Yeah, same. Followed the f*cker to where he was parked (a disabled space, no less) and flamed him in front of his six-fingered, banjo-playing boyfriend.

Then I reported him to the boys in blue.

One of those instances when it doesn't matter if someone's bigger than ya, it just has to be done.

Fecken retard.:bash:

[Katman]

:lol::lol:
I draw a big breath through rounded lips, roll my eyes, shake my head and grin, then set the timer to see how long it takes for this post to degrade to the point it ends up in PD.


Nah, it's all good.

I love Noel and his funny little ways.

:msn-wink:

[Insanity_rules]

I had some twat on a litre naked bike launch himself at me last friday afternoon on the Rimutakas. Was having a nice, fairly quick ride home (Upper Hutt). Heard a bike gunning ahead of me heading toward featherston and as this mensa candidate exited the corner (way too fast by the way) he launched forward in a straight line across a gradual left hand bend and into my lane. I hauled it left towards the bank while still keeping it on the road and prepared to kiss my handsome, well toned ass goodbye.

He past by me so close I could almost smell his breath, how he didn't hit me I'll never know. If I felt I could have caught him I would have chased him down and had a pleasent discourse with him regarding his complete lack of riding ability and common sense (read: smack seven shades of ever living sh@t out of him). I stopped at the top, hoovered down two cigarettes and offered thanks to God, Alah, Buddah, The tooth fairy, my ability, the easter bunny, David Crosby, Jimmy Hendrix and Jeebus (Didn't want to miss anyone out).

@ssholes like that should take the bus or learn to ride. And if I ever find out who it was they'll need a geological survey to remove my size 10 Technic from his rectum.

[trustme]

So what a couple of you are saying is that it is everyman for himself, fair enough. But how do you defend yourself against the type of idjut that passed my wife or aimed at Insanity.
We all rant about the standard of car drivers but the standard of bike riding is no better it is mostly simply done at higher speeds with more catastrophic results. If the average car driver is a moron, why when he swaps his car keys for his bike keys does he think he has become the undiscovered V Rossi .
Who is safer the driver/rider of moderate ability who is competent & safe or
the supposedly highly skilled rider who believes the road rules are not applicable to him,statistics tend to suggest the latter is the real problem

[caseye]

trustme,in answer to the above,Not quite, but essentially in the order I stated is how it has to work.
"While I sympathise with you in this situation I have to agree with sinfull, these days it is simply me,you,us, depending on the number of riders accompanying versus the rest"
Look after yourself, your immediate ride mates then anyone else as much as you can given that we are all on indiviudual machines and in different places on the road.
It's not that i'm a callous barstard but practically thats all we can physically do anyhow.
As for the question about who is safer, well, if we could all be the safe guywe'd not be having this discussion.

[The Stranger]

Nah, it's all good.

I love Noel and his funny little ways.

:msn-wink:

be still my beating heart :love:

[trustme]

Caseye I know & understsand what you are saying & to a certain degree I agree , but . It is that 'I'm all right Jack' fuck the rest , attitude that makes us a nation of arsehole drivers. Sad but true.

[caseye]

I can't fault that comment.
"but . It is that 'I'm all right Jack' fuck the rest , attitude that makes us a nation of arsehole drivers. Sad but true."
it is unfortunately exactly what makes our roads the worst in the western world in my humble opinion.
All we(those of us who give a damn_ can do is ride/drive safe and literally tell the jerk we see giving us all a bad name what we think of em and hopefully they'll get the message that it's not "their road"

[trustme]

All we(those of us who give a damn_ can do is ride/drive safe and literally tell the jerk we see giving us all a bad name what we think of em and hopefully they'll get the message that it's not "their road"

Hence, the reason for my post.

[sinfull]

So what a couple of you are saying is that it is everyman for himself, fair enough. But how do you defend yourself against the type of idjut that passed my wife or aimed at Insanity.
We all rant about the standard of car drivers but the standard of bike riding is no better it is mostly simply done at higher speeds with more catastrophic results. If the average car driver is a moron, why when he swaps his car keys for his bike keys does he think he has become the undiscovered V Rossi .
Who is safer the driver/rider of moderate ability who is competent & safe or
the supposedly highly skilled rider who believes the road rules are not applicable to him,statistics tend to suggest the latter is the real problem

Your original post, did envoke a little rant when i first read it, sure the bourbon had me type a bloody novel, it may even be a little guilt that had me write that !
Heidi and i rode for 6 months with her on her learners, during which time she even began to prefer to pillion more and more, she said she felt her lil scorpio held the group we rode with up ! (Due to me playing TEC protecting her rear more likely the case, she felt i was missing out) Missing out ? Haha didn't worry me too much, as i was beginning to tire of being the loose riders "we" had become and was happy to let the front guys do their thing, carving up the highways ! The threat to her from behind was aways on my mind to be sure, but I got to the point where i stripped my bike of road gear and only use it for the track now !!
But still i believe that everyone is a potential threat out on our roads ! You very seldom see any sort of curtousy out there and its a "me first" attitude where ppl (car drivers) even get uptight at lights or intersections when you filter past !
In your case it was some dude who perhaps gets his kicks out of, showing off, or even frightening others, or just a fuck off out of my way sort of rider and that sucks (put him in an SUV and he wll probably try and squeeze a learner filtering past him, at an intersection)
There is no way i would come up behind (what was obviously) a couple, out enjoying a sedate cruise and carve them up the way he did, so i feel for ya and yr wife (thats a total put off) !
I'm pleased your wife experienced it, without any inccident or (i hope) undue fear of riding from it ! She may now see and recognise a threat coming from behind and move aside to let them through (but that only lets him pass closely on her right aye)
Hence my comment about riding block for Heidi when we're out there ! NZ roads a full of impatient ppl and if you ride at or just below the limit you will have irate drivers/riders come up behind and tailgate you wanting to get past as quick as possible !!
When i'm alone (or have H as pillion) my pace is just that little more than the flow of traffic (ok sometimes quite a bit more), but of course she will not ride beyond the speed limit and i will admit that makes me nervous, because i then need to be more aware of whats coming from behind ! She often waves me on ahead of her so she can follow, but i always seem to drop back behind her ! You might say i need to let her ride her own ride, but hey i do, but cant help wanting to put a sheild around her !
How do you defend yourself and your wife against idjuts aimed at insanity ? You cant ! You can only be aware that it's happening !
Sure if anyone closes on us from behind i close the gap tween her and i (her in the left wheel track and me in between the two wheel tracks or as close to that scenario as her position on the road allows) and force them to do so on my shoulder not hers (if they're gonna carve past) !
Oh look another novel !
No i do not drink bourbon at this hour lol

[DarkLord]

I was out on a ride out Warkworth way and I was stuck behind a guy on an old GSX-R 1100 who was quite a nana...I eventually got frustrated so sped up as much as I could on my Hyosung and overtook him coming up to a corner.....the corner came a lot bloody faster than I expected and so I ended up going around the corner on the wrong side of the road while still passing him, dipping the bike in and trying to slow down using the front brake as well...

Fortunately I made it around and there was no one coming in the other direction but that was a really f&$%ing stupid passing manouever....It almost certainly would have been curtains for me if someone had been coming the other way. I certainly learned my lesson!!!!! :Oops:

[trustme]

Having waded my way thru 'War & Peace' volumes 1 & 2 I'll make a couple of comments. Mostly I agree with your second post. The wife is on her restricted [ no L plate ] she is competent, careful but of modest ability,she sticks pretty much to the speed limit & rides within her comfort zone. She does use her mirrors to check for vehicles behind but in this case we had just come out of a series of bends & hills which would probably have stopped her seeing a bike coming up rapidly from behind. As I ride ahead I am constantly checking my mirrors to make sure she is OK . I never saw this guy coming either , not because we weren't looking but because he was catching up bloody quick while obscured from us. She was on the right of the lane as per advice from her RRRS course & staggered from me , both techniques that might be criticised but that is for another time.
My wife prefers me to ride ahead, the way I look at it we are going forwards , if I am ahead I can identify potential hazards, I can't put up a shield , I just have to get her skill level up as quick as I can .
I also have slowed down to ride with my wife, I have even got to enjoy the scenery.We are not that far apart, just doing it differently
The post was really directed at some of the worst type of riders out there who need to grow up.







Sinful, this is Trustme's wife I have learnt a lot from this experience and others I have had on the road. I have always let cars pass if they seem impatient, and pull over to the left if I can. I realise its a game of wits out there on the road and you have to be very aware all the time for your own safety on the motorbike. Motorbikes and cars are controlled by people with their own personalities which transfer onto their machines, which shows in their riding. Therefore you will always have a mixture of different ways of driving on the roads, this was another lesson about always being on guard.

[trustme]

I was out on a ride out Warkworth way and I was stuck behind a guy on an old GSX-R 1100 who was quite a nana...I eventually got frustrated so sped up as much as I could on my Hyosung and overtook him coming up to a corner.....the corner came a lot bloody faster than I expected and so I ended up going around the corner on the wrong side of the road while still passing him, dipping the bike in and trying to slow down using the front brake as well...

Fortunately I made it around and there was no one coming in the other direction but that was a really f&$%ing stupid passing manouever....It almost certainly would have been curtains for me if someone had been coming the other way. I certainly learned my lesson!!!!! :Oops:

Patience little Grasshopper, that way you get to be a grumpy old bugger like me

[Maha]

Eyeballed a biker last week (though he didn't take us out)...he crossed the double yellows to pass a car or three and um.....''dude!!! can you not see me''??.... he got the fingers from both Anne and myself, fairly close to his helmet I might add, damn theres so dumb fucks out there for sure.

I wouldn't normaly post about shit like this because I feel that if....
A....if a biker wants to take chances, thats their own issue to deal with.
B....On this occassion, if he had waited a few seconds more there was a passing lane.
C...Do what you fucken' like, but, if it encroaches on my safety, then you are including me in your stupidity and that people, is a very selfish way of thinking. Sort ya shit out.

[Finn]

Similar thing happened to me yesterday. I was up SH16 going through the twisties just before Wellsford. I had the Harley tapped out with pegs scrapping and this idiot comes up behind me and sits right on my tail. Then, on the most dangerously blind and tight corner, this fool rips past me! Bloody campervans!

[DarkLord]

Patience little Grasshopper, that way you get to be a grumpy old bugger like me

Hehe. I'm already a grumpy young bugger, so I'm halfway there. :)

[The Stranger]

I was out on a ride out Warkworth way and I was stuck behind a guy on an old GSX-R 1100 who was quite a nana...I eventually got frustrated so sped up as much as I could on my Hyosung and overtook him coming up to a corner.....the corner came a lot bloody faster than I expected and so I ended up going around the corner on the wrong side of the road while still passing him, dipping the bike in and trying to slow down using the front brake as well...

Fortunately I made it around and there was no one coming in the other direction but that was a really f&$%ing stupid passing manouever....It almost certainly would have been curtains for me if someone had been coming the other way. I certainly learned my lesson!!!!! :Oops:

I'm speachless. What the hell induced you to admit to being a complete numb nuts on a public forum?

[MsKABC]

C...Do what you fucken' like, but, if it encroaches on my safety, then you are including me in your stupidity and that people, is a very selfish way of thinking. Sort ya shit out.

+1 Idiots will be idiots, and that is their right, but I get bent right outta shape if they're doing it in such a way as to endanger other innocent roadusers, particularly myself and my precious son.

[DarkLord]

I'm speachless. What the hell induced you to admit to being a complete numb nuts on a public forum?

There is no shame in admitting you were a numbskull. Perhaps my confession shall encourage others with similar numbskull tendencies to not attempt to pass other bikes on blind corners.... or risk becoming someones hood ornament..... :blink:

[Maha]

+1 Idiots will be idiots, and that is their right, but I get bent right outta shape if they're doing it in such a way as to endanger other innocent roadusers, particularly myself and my precious son.

Precisely what I was saying, at times I have precious cargo....my Wife!...:niceone:

[trustme]

There is no shame in admitting you were a numbskull. Perhaps my confession shall encourage others with similar numbskull tendencies to not attempt to pass other bikes on blind corners.... or risk becoming someones hood ornament..... :blink:

Admitting you stuffed up is the first step towards making bloody sure you don't do it again, Ups to you, ignore "Nigel No Mates".

[The Stranger]

There is no shame in admitting you were a numbskull.

Perhaps my confession shall encourage others with similar numbskull tendencies to not attempt to pass other bikes on blind corners.... or risk becoming someones hood ornament..... :blink:

You can't work that one out on your own, yet you say there is no shame in admitting so?

I beg to differ, in future, I would suggest you suffer in silence.

[trustme]

Having employed a fair few people over the years I have learnt that the ones who never admit they are wrong or that they have stuffed up are a long term liability because they never learn , nor do they ever change their ways so secure are they in their world of ignorance, I get rid of them asap because they are a liability . We never stop learning, to err is human, it is the best teacher.
The person who never admits to a mistake has never done anything.

[DarkLord]

Having employed a fair few people over the years I have learnt that the ones who never admit they are wrong or that they have stuffed up are a long term liability because they never learn , nor do they ever change their ways so secure are they in their world of ignorance, I get rid of them asap because they are a liability . We never stop learning, to err is human, it is the best teacher.
The person who never admits to a mistake has never done anything.

Agreed. Would you rather I blame the other guy for going too slow and making me want to pass him? It's called an attitude of humility, realising that whenever we point fingers at anyone else, there are 3 fingers pointing back at us, and that in situations like with mine we can't blame anyone except ourselves.

If you ask me, being able to admit you have made a mistake is an attitude that all bikers have, as that is how you learn, just as trustme said.

[sunhuntin]

I HAVE had a car pass on the inside.....in a 50k zone....gawd!

ive had that about half a dozen times... once with susan on the back. every single time i nearly shat myself. once i nearly hit the ute that did it, cos i moved left around some cars waiting to turn right. think the guy was stoned, cos he didnt look up when i swore in his open window.
now, i watch whats behind me and keep moving in the lane. i dont stay in the right wheel track the entire time. sometimes im there, then in the middle, then left. if they look like they are going to undertake, i move and block them as best i can. overtake, fine, but dont pass on the feckin right.

and yeh, there are some useless riders around as well. two of us nearly had a run in a few weeks back. me sitting at the front at a RAB giveway. traffic from the left, so i wait. hear a bike coming behind me, and he goes past the cars behind and waits next to me on the right. traffic clears, and we both move off. i expected him to be behind as i moved first. had to haul it right as there was a car stopped at the ped crossing that i didnt see until i was moving. in the same instant, the cock sucker overtakes! so we were right next to each other when i moved right. how the hell it didnt result in an accident i dont know. musta been bloody close. why the hell overtake on a single lane RAB? why not wait until we are over the bridge? maybe, being a sprots rider, he was annoyed at a cruiser being in front? dunno, but it gave me a fright.

[The Stranger]

Having employed a fair few people over the years I have learnt that the ones who never admit they are wrong or that they have stuffed up are a long term liability because they never learn , nor do they ever change their ways so secure are they in their world of ignorance, I get rid of them asap because they are a liability . We never stop learning, to err is human, it is the best teacher.
The person who never admits to a mistake has never done anything.

I'm not advocating not admitting your mistake.
I am not advocating not admitting you are wrong.
By all means sleep on the floor, beat yourself up - whatever.

But looking for absolution by publicly admitting you are thick is looking for acceptance of your stupidity.
Stupidity should not be accepted, encouraged, supported or taken lightly.
The next dickhead mistake may be his last - sorry there is insufficient time to afford the luxury of learning from dumb mistakes.

[Maha]

If you ask me, being able to admit you have made a mistake is an attitude that all bikers have, as that is how you learn, just as trustme said.

Granted but, there are those that will never admit to a fuckup, they will always lay blame on something else, never themselves. There was talk after my last group of an incident (nothing come of it) in which, some were appalled at an overtaking manouver by someone. Nothing was said to the person involved at the next stop, nothing at all. It happens, it will continue to happen.

[DarkLord]

When and where did I say I was looking for acceptance of it? I know it was wrong and I was admitting it. I posted it to say what a dumb thing it was to do. I fail to see how that means I want my stupidity in that situation to be accepted.

The only thing that I would want to be accepted out of that is that I have learned my lesson and won't do it again, and that I realise it was a stupid thing to do. It's not like I am glamorising doing something dangerous. Perhaps someone will see what I have said, realise how lucky I was and think twice before doing the same thing.

[DarkLord]

Granted but, there are those that will never admit to a fuckup, they will always lay blame on something else, never themselves. There was talk after my last group of an incident (nothing come of it) in which, some were appalled at an overtaking manouver by someone. Nothing was said to the person involved at the next stop, nothing at all. It happens, it will continue to happen.

Very true unfortunately. One day that attitude of "it's everything/everyone elses fault" is going to cost them dearly. You can't run from an attitude like that forever. I know what you are saying about nothing being said to the person in question with that situation. It's not easy but we need to learn to say something in situations like that. It will always happen, as we cannot control what others do but at least if we do our bit to try and educate others e.g. by saying something in a situation like that, we are at least doing the right thing.

[The Stranger]

When and where did I say I was looking for acceptance of it? I know it was wrong and I was admitting it. I posted it to say what a dumb thing it was to do. I fail to see how that means I want my stupidity in that situation to be accepted.



You never did. You didn't have to.

You may also note my reply wasn't to you and just as trustme was talking in generalities so was I - or were you applying for a job with him?

[DarkLord]

Applying for a job with him? Wow, now you are really not making any sense at all. Where on earth did that come from?

Put it this way - if I was to see someone talking about a lucky escape they got from doing something dumb, I would take it into account and use that knowledge with my riding. I'm simply trying to do the same for someone else who might read what I have written. Whatever you want to read into what I've put is your problem, no one elses. I don't see anyone else carrying on about my comments the way you are.

[Katman]

I was out on a ride out Warkworth way and I was stuck behind a guy on an old GSX-R 1100 who was quite a nana...I eventually got frustrated so sped up as much as I could on my Hyosung and overtook him coming up to a corner.....the corner came a lot bloody faster than I expected and so I ended up going around the corner on the wrong side of the road while still passing him, dipping the bike in and trying to slow down using the front brake as well...

Fortunately I made it around and there was no one coming in the other direction but that was a really f&$%ing stupid passing manouever....It almost certainly would have been curtains for me if someone had been coming the other way. I certainly learned my lesson!!!!! :Oops:

When you combine that post with this one..........


Most of the time I am a fairly quiet and reserved sort of person. I'm usually pretty patient and open minded.

When I'm on the road, I just feel like royalty for some reason. I feel like I own the road, and that I have the power to treat anyone else any way that I see fit. I'm not afraid of anyone or anything or anyone. I tend to be quite aggressive with my riding.

The bike tends to bring out the worst in me to be honest. However, as I am realising this over time and acknowleding it I am feeling more relaxed on the road and not quite so hostile. It is a process, but I'm getting there.

I'd suggest if you're looking for a bike shop when you move to Taupo you head to W.O.T. Motorcycles.

Sounds like you could do with some time in the company of Katman.

:msn-wink:

[Maha]

Very true unfortunately. One day that attitude of "it's everything/everyone elses fault" is going to cost them dearly. You can't run from an attitude like that forever. I know what you are saying about nothing being said to the person in question with that situation. It's not easy but we need to learn to say something in situations like that. It will always happen, as we cannot control what others do but at least if we do our bit to try and educate others e.g. by saying something in a situation like that, we are at least doing the right thing.

I got passed some time ago by a bike that was tapping along at around the 200 mark. His wife was on the back, the road dropped away, at the bike reared up (much to suprise of the pilot I guess) and came down with a small cloud of smoke from the front tyre and a slight shimmer (I had a real good view of it all) things could have gone pear shaped, but thankfully it didnt. I did end up saying something to them about what I had seen, but I beleive the biker involved still rides like how ever the hell he wants to, thats up to him. Who am I to tell some how to treat themselves or their loved one on the road?

[DarkLord]

When you combine that post with this one..........



I'd suggest if you're looking for a bike shop when you move to Taupo you head to W.O.T. Motorcycles.

Sounds like you could do with some time in the company of Katman.

:msn-wink:

Oh you work there?

Sounds good.... I can always do with a bit of guidance!

[trustme]

When you combine that post with this one..........



I'd suggest if you're looking for a bike shop when you move to Taupo you head to W.O.T. Motorcycles.

Sounds like you could do with some time in the company of Katman.

:msn-wink:


:Oi:He fucked up, but isn't there a law against cruel & inhumane punishment.:nono:

[The Stranger]

Applying for a job with him? Wow, now you are really not making any sense at all. Where on earth did that come from?

Post 34. As I noted I was replying to trustme.


Put it this way - if I was to see someone talking about a lucky escape they got from doing something dumb, I would take it into account and use that knowledge with my riding. I'm simply trying to do the same for someone else who might read what I have written. Whatever you want to read into what I've put is your problem, no one elses. I don't see anyone else carrying on about my comments the way you are.

A heads up, for 99.9% of people your warning is superfluous. The other .1 well it probably doesn't matter anyway.
I must admit to being incredulous, but for the sake of clarification - it's not my problem.

[MarkH]

Granted but, there are those that will never admit to a fuckup, they will always lay blame on something else, never themselves.

When you fuck up there are 3 important things to do and you must do them in this order:

1. Be lucky enough to survive the fuck up (don't go to step to without completing this step)

2. Recognise that you fucked up (If everything is always someone else's fault then you will repeat the fuck up and may fail to pass step 1 next time)

3. Change your behaviour to avoid repeating the fuck up.

Remember - not everyone gets past step 1 so if you are lucky enough to fuck up when there isn't a car coming the other way (or whatever) and you get to pass step 1 then your future survival depends on you completing step 2 & 3. We all fuck up, but the ones that carry on without learning from it are playing Russian roulette and one day will find the chamber loaded. There are only so many times you can overtake on a blind corner before you will meet something coming the other way and that number of times can be as little as 1 or 2 (ditto for many other stupid things you can do while riding).

[3umph]

Last weekend coming home from the Vincent Rally through the Pig Route we were passed a few time on blind corners and one of the bikes riding 2 up stayed on the wrong side of the road right around the bend... defiantly playing Russian roulette but luckily no cars were coming.

The roads are dangerous enough without going on the wrong side of the road for longer then needed.

The problem is if they get hit and injured or killed they do not think of what the person hitting them has to go through mentally and emotionally for the rest of there lives because of some dropkick with a death wish.

[MarkH]

Last weekend coming home from the Vincent Rally through the Pig Route we were passed a few time on blind corners and one of the bikes riding 2 up stayed on the wrong side of the road right around the bend... defiantly playing Russian roulette but luckily no cars were coming.

It sounds like they have managed to make step 1. but have failed to move on to step 2. Until they realised that they are fucking up they will continue to do it until they either:
a. have a near miss which scares them and makes them realise they are riding in a retarded fashion
or
b. are killed in an accident.

This is not a situation that most of us are wanting to see on the roads.

[MsKABC]

b. are killed in an accident.

This is not a situation that most of us are wanting to see on the roads.


We can only hope that they kill only themselves, and not some other innocent party, as is so often the case :(

[MarkH]

We can only hope that they kill only themselves, and not some other innocent party, as is so often the case :(

My first hope would be that they wake the fuck up and stop riding like retards! But I am probably hoping in vain there.

If there is one thing that often kills bikers it is retards in cars.
If there is another thing that often kills bikers it is retards on bikes.


To all and sundry:
If you are a retard riding a bike then I would suggest you go to a RRRS course and get a mentor and learn to not be such a retard. The less bikers I read about being killed the better.

[MsKABC]

My first hope would be that they wake the fuck up and stop riding like retards! But I am probably hoping in vain there.

If there is one thing that often kills bikers it is retards in cars.
If there is another thing that often kills bikers it is retards on bikes.


To all and sundry:
If you are a retard riding a bike then I would suggest you go to a RRRS course and get a mentor and learn to not be such a retard. The less bikers I read about being killed the better.

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