someone explain a couple of road sighns

[FROSTY]

WTF is the point in a road sighn saying 95 when ya in a 100km/h zone ?
I mean really --what the heck diff will 5km/h make?
also --Whats with all the sighns warning car drivers about me??
Slippery when frosty--When frosty what? rided his oily old xj900 down the road?
Crashes on the road ? --Or is it just a general warning to cagers watch out for frosty? :spudwhat:

[Jantar]

The 95 advisory sign is because the LTSA KNOW that most drivers are actually doing 110 - 120 safely, but that particular corner just needs a bit more care.

The "Slippery when Frosty" is actually a misprint. It should read "Frosty is Slippery" :whistle:

[madandy]

Yeah those 95 signs crack me up...
Frost tends to affect roads all day in shaded condition...so "Frosty is Slippery when Shady" :spudwave:

[Krusti]

I've never come across any of those slippery snakes yet either. Keep looking tho.

Always make a note not to send my kids to any school which has a sign up the road stating "SLOW SCHOOL" Slow kids should go to normal schools:yeah:

[Riff Raff]

The 95 advisory sign is because the LTSA KNOW that most drivers are actually doing 110 - 120 safely, but that particular corner just needs a bit more care.
So it's ok to do them at 160+ ?
I saw heaps of those 95 corners on the way back from Welly.

[What?]

My favourites are:

"55Km/h" (corner) in a 50K zone.

"Winding road next x Km" placed several Km into a twisty stretch. :banana:

[magnum]

"slippery when frosty" crashes,the oil slick left behind :shake:

[Will]

Aaaah, so those numbers on the corner refer to Ks and not miles?

That's gonna take the fun outa them. :shake:

[Sniper]

Yeah those 95 signs crack me up...
Frost tends to affect roads all day in shaded condition...so "Frosty is Slippery when Shady" :spudwave:


You guys get 95kph signs in the North. And just when I thouight North Islander were becoming normal.

[XTC]

5km differevce up there makes 30km down here......:o

[scumdog]

The side road by my place goes from 50kph to 70kph - and the sign showing that is place 18-20metres before from a complulsory Stop sign!

It's murder booting it from 50 to 70 then slamming on the brakes for the stop sign! :confused:

[Jonty]

Aaaah, so those numbers on the corner refer to Ks and not miles?

That's gonna take the fun outa them. :shake:

mmmm - I guess it is not 95 degrees! Maybe they should have signs with degrees on the twisties. Would be great for getting lines right and a potential market for portable gyro's for bike dashs.....

ahh what am I saying, much more fun not knowing if you are going to overshoot :banana:

[Posh Tourer :P]

There was one I saw that had a 50km sign on the left, and a 70km sign on the right (I think it is around Tuakau - FF?) Thats the way it ought to be - you can go faster when you are overtaking!

[MSTRS]

The side road by my place goes from 50kph to 70kph - and the sign showing that is place 18-20metres before from a complulsory Stop sign!

It's murder booting it from 50 to 70 then slamming on the brakes for the stop sign! :confused:
You're not looking ahead, are you. Have trouble in the corners, hmmm??

[Marmoot]

The 95 advisory sign is because the LTSA KNOW that most drivers are actually doing 110 - 120 safely, but that particular corner just needs a bit more care.

So why not say "110 is ok but needs a bit more care"?
Bloody government....always cannot say the obvious and only say the ambiguous.....

What? The sign becomes too big? Make it with smaller font.

[ManDownUnder]

My favourite is "soft verge" (you see it all the time in the UK)

In French "verge" literally translates to "Rod", but it's commonly used to describe part of the male anatomy!!!!

It's SOFT?????

YOU PUT A SIGN UP ABOUT IT????

aaaa brilliiant!... as you were *ahem*
MDU

[Wolf]

As you can generally take 75km/h corners at 100k/m, those 95 signs mean "Slow down TO 120km/h" ;)

Actually, you can probably take a 75k corner faster than 100k but you're not allowed to so the same probably applies to the 95k corners worse luck.

Yep, and Love those "100" or Open Road Limit signs just before a compulsory stop.

[Skunk]

Slippery when Frosty just means the chip is gone... Just the tar is left. :confused:

[StoneChucker]

As you can generally take 75km/h corners at 100k/m, those 95 signs mean "Slow down TO 120km/h" ;)

Actually, you can probably take a 75k corner faster than 100k but you're not allowed to so the same probably applies to the 95k corners worse luck.

Yep, and Love those "100" or Open Road Limit signs just before a compulsory stop.
I am pretty cautious when it comes to corners, but I find that you can relatively safely add between 35 and 45 km/h onto posted signs, if it's dry and clear.

Of course, thats not a rule for every corner!

[crashe]

Well Frosty, they are warning people to take heed....
that at any moment you could be sliding around the corner at them...

I must admit when I saw one the other day,
I did think of you and I cracked up....lol.
Go and put "XJ" before the word "frosty" on all the signs.

I am also surprised that you don't have one hanging in your garage yet....
Shit did I say that out loud.

Oh well at least you are well known around New Zealand...
So you are famous mate.... enjoy.
Now thats a scarey thought....lol.
:spudwave: :banana: :wari: :spudbooge

[notme]

What about those signs that proclaim "ROAD WORKS AHEAD".

That's nice to know, but it would make more sense saying "ROAD DOESN'T WORK AHEAD" cos invariably they are digging the damn thing up just past one of the above signs..... :-)

[flyin]

theres a few good ones a : SLOW MEN WORKING........ :spudwave:

the speed signs for corners were worked out in a falcon with benchseats and were set at the speed a drink falls over on the seat or some shite..............

eh go for double the suggested speed... sweet as for the 35s..... gets fun on the 75s and you can hang on to the 95's if theres no external factors to slow you down....... frosty etc......

[scumdog]

And in Q'land they have signs just before the top of a hill that say "CREST" - wtf you can SEE that you're coming to the top of the hill!!

[Coldkiwi]

[QUOTE=Riff Raff]So it's ok to do them at 160+ ? QUOTE]

normally :) unless there's HP around!

everything else being clear, most corners on a reasonable sportsbike with reasonable rider on reasonable tyres can do 2x posted number from what i've seen

[JohnBoy]

all it comes down to the fact of the people resposible for testing/designing the road covering thier own ass. mainy beacuse if someone had an accident on that corner they are responsible.

[merv]

I thought rule of thumb was that if you were doing it properly you should be able to double the speed on them.

[scumdog]

I thought rule of thumb was that if you were doing it properly you should be able to double the speed on them.

I'm not game to do that with Mrs SD on the back, using the sign as MPH is my limit then, i.e. 65kph is good for 65mph =just over 100kph.

Except on the west coast, mostly those signs say what they mean without much margin in some of them.

[sAsLEX]

I'm not game to do that with Mrs SD on the back, using the sign as MPH is my limit then, i.e. 65kph is good for 65mph =just over 100kph.

Except on the west coast, mostly those signs say what they mean without much margin in some of them.

yeah there is a corner that caught me out the first time on the road to whangamata, downhill lefthander 25 after a 35 which can be nasty at much over 40!

[Jackrat]

I just love the signs that say "twisty road next 10 Kms"
When you've just done 10 Kms of really good twistys already.
WTF is this a reminder or what?? :killingme

[idb]

When you get a sign at the top of a hill saying LOOKOUT.
I'm not sure what for, maybe for those that are nervous about going downhill, or maybe because of the rubberneckers that always seem to be wandering around looking out...at.......the..............view.......oh

[avgas]

good one frosty!
best ones ive seen are "Slippery when wet" (DUH!!!!) and "SLOW CHILDREN" (Where!!!!!!!)

[marty]

all it comes down to the fact of the people resposible for testing/designing the road covering thier own ass. mainy beacuse if someone had an accident on that corner they are responsible.

since when? i've never heard of a road designer being charged with 'failing to design a good road, so someone fell off it and killed themselves' if that was the case, then the govt should be charged for the shambles that was SH1 meremere for so many years, their safety idea was to paint the shoulder, and put the opposing lanes CLOSER together. WTF?????

and then there's the wellington coast road (SH1)

[Rainbow Wizard]

As you can generally take 75km/h corners at 100k/m, those 95 signs mean "Slow down TO 120km/h" ;)

Actually, you can probably take a 75k corner faster than 100k but you're not allowed to so the same probably applies to the 95k corners worse luck.

I know when I'm on the NTV that I can super safely and totally without any stress or concern take the corner in mph at what it reads in kph. That means I'm adding at least 60% to the rated speed, but you gotta remember those signs are an indication only of what is a safe and comfortable speed for an ordinary car.

I'd be really interested to read of what other riders add to those recommended speeds.

[Riff Raff]

I'd be really interested to read of what other riders add to those recommended speeds.
Well I'm still getting to know the capabilities of my bike - I've already answered the 95kph one (ahem), but today my bike was doing 80 - 90 on 55km bends quite happily, and dropped down to about 60ish on 35km bends.
So different from the cruiser where I pretty much had to do the speed posted.

[avgas]

I'd be really interested to read of what other riders add to those recommended speeds.
I learnt my lesson to ride my ride without using the road signs doing the kopu loop (ah the old stompin grounds) - whatch out there folks, some corners have 45 on them, and u are best not to break 70 on em (i did, it wasnt pretty), even knee down the twist in quite bad. And there is some corners there with no signs (so take em about 50 or less).
Cos some of those corners, if u fuck up, its a LONG WAY back to the road - like atleast a 100ft drop.
But in general, if i know the corners - up to 2 times the recommended speed, if i dont, up to 1.3ish time the reccomended speed.
But genrally no higher.

[Drunken Monkey]

mmmm - I guess it is not 95 degrees! Maybe they should have signs with degrees on the twisties. Would be great for getting lines right and a potential market for portable gyro's for bike dashs.....


Instead of speed limits they should all read like pace notes:

95, Keep left over crest into short 4 right plus opens

60, crest and 6 right plus and don't cut short 6 left minus

60, line into 2 right minus over bump tightens to a hairpin over a ditch

Into 6 left long opens over a crest

95, 6 right into 3 left plus long don't cut tightens to 1, into a short 1 right plus

short 2 left minus tightens at junction 35

:2thumbsup

[Drunken Monkey]

I'd be really interested to read of what other riders add to those recommended speeds.

If I drop the 5 then double, e.g. 65 - 5 = 60 x 2 = 120, I know the Gixxer will have no trouble assuming the road surface remains constant. This works on most roads. Simetimes lower ones, like 35's, I usually drop an extra 5-10, but that's more my comfort zone than a requirement for the bike. Don't actually recall if I've done a 95 at 180 though, probably more like 160-170.
Uphill on a reliable surface with warm tyres I can go more than double the slow speed signs (25/35) - and I've been passed by others doing that.

[sAsLEX]

Instead of speed limits they should all read like pace notes:

95, Keep left over crest into short 4 right plus opens

60, crest and 6 right plus and don't cut short 6 left minus

60, line into 2 right minus over bump tightens to a hairpin over a ditch

Into 6 left long opens over a crest

95, 6 right into 3 left plus long don't cut tightens to 1, into a short 1 right plus

short 2 left minus tightens at junction 35

:2thumbsup


We need to get JR to programme that into the next widget he makes imagine that flying along some unknown road with the voice of Nicky Grist giving you a running comentary on the road ahead!

[SPman]

..so "Frosty is Slippery when Shady" :spudwave:

or Slippery and Shady! :shake:



Think those advisory signs were designed for when people drove things like Austin A40 Somersets! Mind you, the way a lot of people drive, they may as well still be driving A40's.......

[The Pastor]

My fav sgin is coming back from whagas to aucks. Just before the brendwens (sp?)

"LOOK OUT TOILETS"

They are pretty sneaky so keep a keen eye out.

[Ms Piggy]

I loved the signs on the Takaka Hill Rd that said "WARNING. GRIT/ICE" I guess it covered all the bases.

[madandy]

or Slippery and Shady! :shake:



.......

Yeah, well I thought I'd let someone older and wiser add the "and" :sunny:

[Ms Piggy]

I am pretty cautious when it comes to corners, but I find that you can relatively safely add between 35 and 45 km/h onto posted signs, if it's dry and clear.

Of course, thats not a rule for every corner!
I found down in the SI, especially down the West Coast between Motueka and Greymouth a lot of the speed signs were well below what you could do. I'm only saying this b/c I am a cautious rider & cornerer (is that a word?) and I found a lot of the 55, 45 & even some 35 signs I could go faster around - or maybe my cornering is improving! :scooter:

[Wolf]

I found down in the SI, *SNIP* - or maybe my cornering is improving! :scooter:

WARNING. WARNING. DANGER, Will Robinson! OLD FART ALERT:

Back in the olden days when they had a decent road South out of Taihape (before they went and made it "safe" for grannies in A40s) I knew I had finally got the feel of my "new" (to me, it was "second"-hand) CB360 owing to the way I was able to flick it from side to side up the winding road at a decent speed, at night time (approx. zero peripheral vision).

Nothing like a good long journey to get used to how your bike handles and your abilities with it.

Ahh, them were the days! [Yorkshire accent]You try to tell the kids of today and they won't believe ya [/ Yorkshire accent] etc etc

Only place I found the same feeling in recent years was visiting a friend in some of the hillier areas of Upper Hutt.

We need more places like that, not less.

[MSTRS]

Oh thems were the days. Don't you wish the bikes performed like they do now? That road was the first time I saw a truck stuck fast under the old rail viaduct at the top of the hill out of Mangaweka - even letting tyres down didn't help. Never did find out how it got freed.

[FlyingDutchMan]

I found out unintentionally how fast you can take a 65 corner. I'd overtaken a cage and noticed that there was a long 65 corner right in front of me. No time for the brakes - had no choice but to tip in and hope the wheels would stay stuck to the road. Throttled off all the way round the corner - and had a look at my speedo after it - only doing 130 on exit. Put the biggest grin on face :D. Didn't go below 100 after that except for 25 and 35 corners.

I've got a mate who works for the CHCH council as a roading engineer. For testing the corner speed they have a little device which sits on the dash that has a 1/2 circle track mounted with the open ends up. A ball bearing sits in the track and has to stay within a certain distance from the middle. So of course they test the corner from the fastest speed they dare and then eventually by going slower and slower they get the right speed.

[Rainbow Wizard]

For testing the corner speed they have a little 1/2 circle track mounted with the open ends up. A ball bearing sits in the track and has to stay within a certain distance from the middle. So of course they test the corner from the fastest speed they dare and then eventually by going slower and slower they get the right speed.

Must be the origin of the term "cornering, balls out" :wari: