My mate binned with no jacket = hospital ! (Rules for pillions)

[Radar]

Just saw my mate, bandaged up after going to hospital yesterday. Scraped the shit out of his right hand, arm and shoulder. And he wasn't wearing his kick-ass leather jacket!

So why wasn't he wearing his jacket and why did he bin? Because he gave his jacket to a friend who rode pillion and when doing only 15 kph around a corner his friend holds onto my mate's shoulders, causing crap steering. Not sure why he wasn't wearing his gloves - probably the pillion had them.

When you ride two up and one of you does not have protective gear, someone could wind up in hospital, even at slow speeds. Think about it.



Rules for pillion passengers:

1. If you have to hold on to the rider, grab his waist and do nothing at all to interfere with his steering. Keep away from his arms and shoulders.

2. When stopped at a light, do not put your feet down or do anything to cause the rider to lose balance; he may be trying to find neutral and have only his right foot down.



WHAT ELSE SHOULD WE BE TELLING PILLIONS TO DO OR NOT TO DO?

[skidMark]

Sit down... hang on....shut up....go where i go...i dont care if its scary to lean...your coming with me.

I can manage if they force themselves upright for the corner...its when they lean in with you then try stay upright that you get in the shit.

[MyGSXF]

I would not be taking a pillion unless they had gear on in the first place.. :( & that doesn't mean giving up my gear, compromising my own safety, for them. :oi-grr: it's the riders responsibility to ensure their pillion is adequately protected. The rider also needs to brief their pillion on "how to be a pillion" BEFORE they set off.. ie: hold on round waist, sit still, feet up etc. Common sense really ;)

[ManDownUnder]

1) Have the gear
2) Sit on the back - make like a sack of potatoes. Don't move, don't put feet down
3) Hold onto me, or the grab rail on the back of the bike - whatever works best for the pillion
4) Pillion get priority. Two taps on my hips means slow down, three means stop... NOW
5) Rider shall respect pillions wishes - every time

[Zoolander]

Ummm... don't pillion with Skidmark perhaps?

[Gareth123]

My brother is a bit of a pain when your on the back of his bike. He'll lean it over no matter what you say. Hmmm maybe he only does that to me? Maybe it scares me because I have control issues? All I know is he doesn't slow down at all and he has no hand holds for the pillion. Crazy bastard, glad I have my own bike now. No more pillion passenger for me thanks!

[Quailboy]

Sound advice and a good reminder!

[klingon]

I think the main thing is not to assume a pillion knows anything about being a pillion. I watched my partner take his teenage niece as a pillion for the first time. He was ready to just hop on and go, and really didn't get that she had no idea what to do.

We ended up explaining to her:
- which side of the bike to get on
- where to put her feet ("these are your pegs here")
- where to hold on
- not to put her feet down again until she was getting off
- to sit still at slow speeds and/or uneven surfaces and/or corners
- to let the rider know when she was about to get on or off
- that wearing her gloves and doing up her helmet were not optional - the bike wasn't moving until she had her gear on properly!

[Hitcher]

Get on from the lefthand side
Don't get on until I tell you
Watch out for the exhaust pipe(s). Burnie, ouch!
If you can't see the back of my head, you've got on the wrong way. Please get off and try again
Hold the grab handles, not the love handles
Tap me on the shoulder if you want me to stop
Sit like you're a sack of potatoes. Neither I nor the motorcycle needs any help cornering
Keep your feet on the pegs at all times, particularly when the motorcycle stops
Do not get off until I tell you
Get off on the lefthand side
Enjoy your ride!

[gatch]

first rule of pillion club - do as i say, not what i do

second rule, of pillion club - DO AS I SAY, NOT, WHAT I DO

any breaches of rules one or two, will result in a sore groin, and no ride, savvy ?

[Quasievil]

First rule of pillions is dont have one, second rule is refer to first rule:niceone:

[Flossi]

wow! ouch for your friend! :(

my first experience as a pillion, about 12 years ago, I had nothing explained to me and had no clue. I was on the back of my partner's dad's bike, I'm sure he was cursing and swearing at me as he was going up hill and round corner, leaning, and I was trying to keep myself upright! (ie, I was leaning the opposite way!)

Yep, definitely need to brief a pillion on what is expected of them

[hospitalfood]

bikes = hospital sooner or later. thats just how it is.
pillions = ?
its your mates fault, regardless.
like i say, bikes = hospital.

its all good for him in this case. minor damage and good learning. skin grows back. at least he didn't fuck his bike right up!

[ital916]

haha does anyone else see this thread as slightly silly, dont ya know mate its a free country, your a silly boy for suggesting people wear gear and pillions should too. Better hide before jrandom finds you.


p.s

I actually agree with you but putting up a thread like this does nothing, people dont listen or learn until the make the same mistake. Maybe though the odd learner or other motorcyclist might heed your advice.

[Laxi]

pillion or not, manys the time ive sweated under cordura & armour and been tempted to dump it but its just not worth it, no jacket = no ride

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Maybe you should get some photos of his injurys and post in this thread to remind some of the idiots out there at the moment why you should wear all the gear all the time.

I seen a guy the other day going around the waterfront on a busa with jeans and singlet.:doh:

[Blossom]

Add these to the list of rules..
Do NOT sleep on the back of the bike.
(of course this does not apply if pillion can fit snuggly between pack rack and bag)

Do not talk to the nice police officer when/if bike gets pulled over. :whistle:

[NordieBoy]

WHAT ELSE SHOULD WE BE TELLING PILLIONS TO DO OR NOT TO DO?

Don't stand on the pillion pegs holding the riders shoulders whilst going up firebreaks out pig hunting.
You may feel good but the rider is shitting themselves.



You also learn a bit about pillioning when you do an MX race 2-up.

[WolfCollared]

Sit down... hang on....shut up....go where i go...i dont care if its scary to lean...your coming with me.

I can manage if they force themselves upright for the corner...its when they lean in with you then try stay upright that you get in the shit.

:laugh: Skidmark you are more scared of working full time than riding!

No gear = no ride simple shit.

And if you arent experienced with a pillion on the back, practise on grass first, and learn about what happens when they panic.

[ajturbo]

Sit down... hang on....shut up....go where i go...i dont care if its scary to lean...your coming with me.

I can manage if they force themselves upright for the corner...its when they lean in with you then try stay upright that you get in the shit.
fuck.. you should try it with luke on the back... he tries to get his knee down!!!!

but i must admit, it DID save my bum, when i once (yes ONCE...yer right) over cooked an over taking manuvour on a truck... wooops far tooo fast for corner.... not... going... to... make.... it........ WTF, bike on it's peg and luke going YEEE HAAAA on the back....get to th etop of the hill, him ripping his helmet off,, to say..." hey dad.. got my knee down on that corner........"

err.. luke, your NOT suppose to do that on the back....

didn't tell him that if he hadn't of done it, he would have had a crash course in flying over a cliff....

[Maha]

And if you arent experienced with a pillion on the back, practise on grass first, and learn about what happens when they panic.

Practise on grass? not an ideal substitute for the road really is it?
A knew pillion would probably panic (if at all) at the first lean. I wouldn't want to try and simulate the lean angle on on the road, on the grass.


First time I pillioned (never done it before) Anne got on the back and it was straight onto the road. A few 100 meters down the road she moved, yes I felt it .... I wasn't that put off by the sudden twitch of the bike, when we stopped, she asked if I felt it when she moved? and then explained to me that, thats what it feels like when a pillion moves.

But yeah, a pillion will have all the gear or, no ride.

[ajturbo]

i know about grass and passenger and them leaning = bike on top of us both..... and us not being able to get it off.. due to the amount of laughing.... Oh and beer that was drunk before hand.....
(NOTICE i was NOT on the road!!!! but in a paddock!!!)

[NordieBoy]

i know about grass and passenger and them leaning = bike on top of us both..... and us not being able to get it off.. due to the amount of laughing.... Oh and beer that was drunk before hand.....
(NOTICE i was NOT on the road!!!! but in a paddock!!!)

Grandfa's TS125 and I was about 10 or 11 at the time and no drink involved.
I was riding and had little sis on the tank and 2 little bro's on the back.
ALL leaned into the turn on the wet lawn to much grownup hilarity :D

[oldrider]

There is such a selection of good gear today reasonably priced and readily available, why would anyone not wear it? :wacko:

Freedom of choice sure but it is the measure of intelectual decision making in the end. :shifty:

Learning the hard way is called "The school of hard knocks" if you qualify you are probably still alive, in some form or other! :doctor: John.

[CookMySock]

1.) DO NOT TOUCH THE RIDER! The rider is BUSY and would NOT like to be distracted! Hold onto the handrail behind the seat and lean back when we are braking. Lean forward when we accelerate, but try not to bump your helmet against mine, or my back. If you want to stop, wait until we are on a straight piece of road and hold the palm of your hand up vertically, and don't put it down.

2.) We are not going to fall off. If you are scared, see rule number one and look down at your crotch and think about crotches, and don't wriggle. We are not going to fall off, so no paniccing, kthx. When you have a free hand, give the rider the "slow down please" handsign.

3.) If you have to wriggle to get comfy, do it while we're in a straight line, NOT IN A CORNER.

4.) If you are enjoying your ride, you are welcome to get involved - when we corner to the right, lightly grip the hand rail with your left hand, put your right hand on your right knee, poke your right knee out about 45 degrees - you may offer your right shoulder out toward the corner, unless I ask you not to. When we swap to a left corner, rinse-and-repeat but opposite for the left. Do it, and all other movements, in one continuous very smooth motion. If you don't want to, then that is perfectly ok - please just sit still and refer to rule number 2 if necessary.

5.) If I raise my hand in a "no no" motion, that means DONT DO that thing you just did.

Note to self: It takes quite a while to learn how to pillion. Let them settle in, and don't scare them. yet.

Further note to self: yes, said pillion is very cute indeed, and I do not want to see her blood, hair, and bone on the road, so don't be an arse.

Steve

[Mom]

4.) If you are enjoying your ride, you are welcome to get involved - when we corner to the right, lightly grip the hand rail with your left hand, put your right hand on your right knee, poke your right knee out about 45 degrees - you may offer your right shoulder out toward the corner, unless I ask you not to. When we swap to a left corner, rinse-and-repeat but opposite for the left. Do it, and all other movements, in one continuous very smooth motion. If you don't want to, then that is perfectly ok - please just sit still and refer to rule number 2 if necessary.

Steve

Possibly the silliest advice I have ever seen regarding a pillion ever.

A pillion is a passive passenger and has no control over the motorcycle at all. Never should a pillion be advised to lean/knee out or any other kind of active involvement in the ride.

I carried pillions for years and would have promptly stopped and told them to get off if any of them had attempted to control my bike for me, or even with me.

[NighthawkNZ]

4.) If you are enjoying your ride, you are welcome to get involved - when we corner to the right, lightly grip the hand rail with your left hand, put your right hand on your right knee, poke your right knee out about 45 degrees - you may offer your right shoulder out toward the corner, unless I ask you not to. When we swap to a left corner, rinse-and-repeat but opposite for the left. Do it, and all other movements, in one continuous very smooth motion. If you don't want to, then that is perfectly ok - please just sit still and refer to rule number 2 if necessary.

WTF... you trying to get them both killed... the pillion should never ever have anything to do with the control of the bike... and during the corner the pillion should act like a sack of spuds tied to the pack rack, which is just lean with the bike... nothing more nothing less

I had one pillion try and add controll to the bike, he tried making the bike go sharper into the corner, and the corner was an opening sweeper... he nearly got us both killed as he does not have the line of sight around the corner you as the rider has, nor can he feel the bars and what the actual bike is doing...

He ended up walkingthe 20k's home...

[Hitcher]

4.) If you are enjoying your ride, you are welcome to get involved - when we corner to the right, lightly grip the hand rail with your left hand, put your right hand on your right knee, poke your right knee out about 45 degrees - you may offer your right shoulder out toward the corner, unless I ask you not to. When we swap to a left corner, rinse-and-repeat but opposite for the left. Do it, and all other movements, in one continuous very smooth motion. If you don't want to, then that is perfectly ok - please just sit still and refer to rule number 2 if necessary.

Bugger me. You cannot be serious?

[jrandom]

Bugger me. You cannot be serious?

No, I think he's pretty much just making it up on the spot as he types.

And to think that it'll be another month or two before I can absorb enough infraction points to chase him away again.

:no:

[Hitcher]

Even with a fully VOX enabled intercom and with a professional rider as a pillion, I would not contemplate giving a pillion such a mandate. Pillions can steer the bike anyway, should they so choose (and if they know how). Their role is to be passive sprung weight. The less intellect and effort they apply to their riding experience, the better.

[Cajun]

many riders have no idea how there pillions act.

I know of one rider/pillion combo, who the pillion (who has never riden a bike, but has been pillion for many years), rider has been riding for 15+ years that uses foot pressure thru corners.

Rider and pillion after been told this is incorrort by a number of different people still think doing nothing wrong and continue doing this.

[klingon]

In addition to behaving like a sack of spuds (I am quite accomplished at that :2thumbsup) I would suggest that the pillion should look through the corner, just as the rider does. This tends to give them something to focus on and helps line their body up with the rider's.

I also think it depends on the bike. On a big, comfy cruiser (or on my partner's big, comfy scooter) where the passenger is kind of wedged in, then they really can just sit like a sack of spuds.

On the other hand when I'm a pillion on the SV1000S with its small pillion seat, perched high above the rider, I have to be a bit more "involved" in what's going on and prepare myself for braking, accelleration and cornering. I'm far more exhausted after a pillion ride on the SV than I ever would be riding the same distance on my own bike.

[NighthawkNZ]

In addition to behaving like a sack of spuds .

No comment... thats to easy ;) :whistle:

[klingon]

No comment... thats to easy ;) :whistle:

Yeah. Pillions should be heavy and lumpy, and make good chips. :niceone:

[Tank]

4.) If you are enjoying your ride, you are welcome to get involved - when we corner to the right, lightly grip the hand rail with your left hand, put your right hand on your right knee, poke your right knee out about 45 degrees - you may offer your right shoulder out toward the corner, unless I ask you not to. When we swap to a left corner, rinse-and-repeat but opposite for the left. Do it, and all other movements, in one continuous very smooth motion. If you don't want to, then that is perfectly ok - please just sit still and refer to rule number 2 if necessary.



Bloody hell - after running off and sulking for so long - the least we could have asked for was an intelligent post.

But no - still coming up with stupid, and even dangerous advise.

Didn't yo momma ever teach you - if you cant say something smart - just shut up and let the grown ups talk?

[Brownbikerbabe]

I remedied my pillion problem by getting a single seat on my bike...no more worrying about the pillion!

[davereid]

Maybe you should get some photos of his injurys and post in this thread to remind some of the idiots out there at the moment why you should wear all the gear all the time.

People ride without safety gear because they like it that way. You know, doing something a little dangerous just for pleasure.

Your argument sounds very much like....

Maybe we should publish pictures of people killed in motorcycle accidents to remind the idiots out there that they should sell the motor cycle and get a car.

Motorcycles are not practical transport, they cost more to run than a car, and are inherently unstable.

They offer no crash protection, and people ride them just for pleasure.

This costs us all extra ACC, clogs up our hospitals, and has no justification.

Clearly they should be banned.

[Zoolander]

try not to bump your helmet against mine, or my back.

look down at your crotch and think about crotches, and don't wriggle.

If you have to wriggle to get comfy, do it

If you are enjoying your ride, you are welcome to get involved

Do it, and all other movements, in one continuous very smooth motion

If I raise my hand in a "no no" motion, that means DONT DO that thing you just did.

Calm down guys, I don't actually think DB is talking about bikes here....

[carver]

Sit down... hang on....shut up....go where i go...i dont care if its scary to lean...your coming with me.

I can manage if they force themselves upright for the corner...its when they lean in with you then try stay upright that you get in the shit.

coming with you

cumming in you

[munterk6]

First rule of pillions is dont have one, second rule is refer to first rule:niceone:

as above....I had a pillion (female) stand up and put arms out to fly like a bird once, needless to say she went off the back when I put a bit of throttle on.
I had no idea she was standing and lucky for her we were only doing about 60kmh. Her injuries were a VERY sore and bruised tail-bone and a sore ankle.
I DO NOT take passengers now, unless its an emergency.
It was a wake up call..imagine if she was killed or maimed, I would have to live with that every day! :angry2:

[Maha]

as above....I had a pillion (female) stand up and put arms out to fly like a bird once, needless to say she went off the back when I put a bit of throttle on.
I had no idea she was standing and lucky for her we were only doing about 60kmh. Her injuries were a VERY sore and bruised tail-bone and a sore ankle.
I DO NOT take passengers now, unless its an emergency.
It was a wake up call..imagine if she was killed or maimed, I would have to live with that every day! :angry2:

Holy crap!!
I understand you stance on pillioning with that story.
What the hell was she thinking?

I pillion alot, but Anne has been riding since the late 70's and at times, I check the mirrors to see if she still there, she is that good as a pillion. When I first started taking her on the back she would start to corner before I did, but we got that sorted. The reason she did that was, because when she is riding, she would dip in before I normally would (a different line in the corner) but like I said, that stopped after a few rides.

[Shadows]

I took my pillion seat off. If you want a ride get your own bike.

[Dooly]

First rule of pillions is dont have one, second rule is refer to first rule:niceone:

Yup.
Took my pillon pegs off my bikes.
Put rear seat cowls on.
Told the missus, they dont come with them, bummer I can't take you..........:whistle::2thumbsup

[Mrs Busa Pete]

People ride without safety gear because they like it that way. You know, doing something a little dangerous just for pleasure.

This costs us all extra ACC, clogs up our hospitals, and has no justification.
Clearly they should be banned.

...............................

[samgab]

When I was 15 I was a pillion in a motorcycle crash.
Rider did a wheel stand all the way up a hill, reached the crest, weight lifted off the bike. Car pulled out of a driveway... Front of bike dropped down, rider tried to brake... Sand and water on the road surface. Front locked, and the bike dropped.
The rider, with leathers, slid away from the bike, down the hill, over a speed bump, Through the T intersection and away to the side.
I, without gloves, boots, or leathers, was dragged underneath the FZR750 all the way down the hill, over the speedbump, through the T, and stopped when the bike and I hit the kerb on the other side.
My hands and body acted like a buffer between the bike and the road, protecting the bike quite nicely.
Of course, my hands were stripped of skin, a bit like when you skin a rabbit. No skin on either of my hands or any fingers from the wrists down. Also the road ground my knee down to the kneecap (ooh, the kneecap is quite white!), and I could see the bone inside my little finger, right hand.

I was in hospital, in immense pain, for 2 months, and had pretty nurses wiping my arse and showering me the duration. Had to sit in baths of sterile water to loosen up the remaining shreds of dead skin so it could be cut off and so they could pick around in the raw flesh for little bits of gravel still embedded.
Several skin grafts later, all I have to show is some scars that are still there 16 years later, and my little finger and knee are still messed up.
There are lots of nerve endings in the finger tips, and if the skin gets ripped off them all, it's about the highest level of pain there is. And you don't pass out.

Morals of the story:
* Don't pillion with a hooligan.
* Wear quality leather gloves. Always.
* Wear protective gear. (The rider with the gear was entirely uninjured).

Be safe :)

[Grizzo]

I think Dangerous is a little retarded.

My old man yelled the rules for a pillion at me when I was about 8 years old.

Lean with the bike
No sudden movements (no movements in a corner)
Tap on his shoulder if I need to stop.

Now get on the damn bike boy!

[Tank]

I think Dangerous is a little retarded.


oh dear - you have to be careful what you say. DB can get terribly upset - and you don't want to know what happens then.

On the Pillion front. (or rear as it may be) - I just sat with my boy and chatted about the rules. Never had a problem. My wife thinks its cute how he stands next to the bike and wont get on until he has said "is it safe to get on now?" he wont get off until he has asked either.

Its like a little drill and it works just fine.

[DingoZ]

oh dear - you have to be careful what you say. DB can get terribly upset - and you don't want to know what happens then.



Didn't go INTERNATIONAL did it...???

:gob: Ooohh you're going straight to hell for that one...:)

[DingoZ]

Having someone on the back of your bike is a huge responsibility. They also have to take some responsibility for themselves, in what they wear and how they behave on the back of the bike.

My partner has just started coming with me on the bike as a pillion. Bought her gear the other week. Jkt, Helmet, Gloves, Trousers. She waits until I'm ready for her to get on the bike. and lets me know when she is set and comfy. And she just hangs on, and goes with me and the bike. All this was discussed before she hopped on the bike with me. And the first time was a gentle cruise around the block, so she could get an idea for how I handled the bike and corners etc.


I don't think I could live with myself, if having an accident....

1. She was not wearing the right amount of protective gear.
2. Was not told the correct things expected of her as a pillion.
3. I did something stupid which resulted in an off. For f..k sake she is important to me. And I'd hate to see her hurt. Same basically applies for anyone who happens to be my pillion.

[carver]

2 up stunting rules!

[Cr1MiNaL]

Get on from the lefthand side
Don't get on until I tell you
Watch out for the exhaust pipe(s). Burnie, ouch!
If you can't see the back of my head, you've got on the wrong way. Please get off and try again
Hold the grab handles, not the love handles
Tap me on the shoulder if you want me to stop
Sit like you're a sack of potatoes. Neither I nor the motorcycle needs any help cornering
Keep your feet on the pegs at all times, particularly when the motorcycle stops
Do not get off until I tell you
Get off on the lefthand side
Enjoy your ride!



Burnie isin't even a word ya tard !

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

I have had one occasion where had the pillion not put his feet down to balance the bike we would have kissed the deck. That was 2 weeks before being diagnosed with a brain tumour - lol. Ignorance was bliss. I did not ride for the next 6 months.

A month ago I was in Paraparaumu and this guy went by on a Harley - with a child on the back - child in shorts, sandshoes and no gloves - the retard on the front - was in shorts and singlet AND BARE FEET - left me speechless for a couple of seconds until "You fkn retard" was yelled out - pointless really - that poor child is all I could think of.

No-one gets on my bike without proper protective clothing. Mind you at present I will not pillion.

[Usarka]

At least the dude in the original post was good enough to give his gear to the pillion - but sounds like a "briefing" was in order.

Where'd the funny tags go?

[Quasievil]

2 up stunting rules!

Can you show us a stunt two up? actually can you just show us a stunt??

[Hitcher]

Burnie isin't even a word ya tard !

Comments noted.

[CookMySock]

Even with a fully VOX enabled intercom and with a professional rider as a pillion, I would not contemplate giving a pillion such a mandate. Pillions can steer the bike anyway, should they so choose (and if they know how). Their role is to be passive sprung weight. The less intellect and effort they apply to their riding experience, the better.I agree with you.

Remind yourselves that you ride much more quickly than I. I understand you would emphatically NOT want any activity that would add or remove input to your line, but travelling at a sedate speed on the open road it is perfectly feasible for the pillion to have a little "steer". I'm talking about touring here.

I regularly have my daughter (she races pocketbikes) hopping around motogp style on my pillion seat, and I just grin and permit it. It's amusing for both of us, but clearly I would not be happy to corner it hard while the pillion thought they knew better.

Also, its no "mandate" as you put it. It's a temporary thing that I can stop with a simple raise of my hand - "dont do that please."

Steve

[Mom]

Comments noted.

Originally Posted by YamahaR64Life
Burnie isin't even a word ya tard !

You missed one.

[Renegade]

i heard a saying once that said if we took the warning labels off everything then the world would sort itself out very quickly.

Its true, those with no common sense, self awareness or thoughts about there intended actions wont last long, just think how many cars wouldnt be on the road :niceone:

[Tank]

Remind yourselves that you ride much more quickly than I. I understand you would emphatically NOT want any activity that would add or remove input to your line, but travelling at a sedate speed on the open road it is perfectly feasible for the pillion to have a little "steer". I'm talking about touring here.



Remind yourself thats not what you wrote in your post.

You put it down as rules for pillioning - If a noob came along and read it not knowing the general level of your advise he might actually take notice to what you wrote and end up in trouble.

As for having a kid hop around all GP like - whatever floats your boat. Its your kid not mine (well I dont think so anyway). Harmless fun is only harmless until it fucks up.

I prefer to have my son follow 'best practice' so he learns to be a good pillion right from the outset.

[Radar]

Thanks everyone for responding to this thread that I started.
There are some thoughtful points for all of us to contemplate, plus the usual KB humour :bleh: and even the "lets bash DB" ranting :argue: which actually brings out more good info (hang in there DB, I admire your resilience).

For me, I rarely take a pillion; SWMBO came along a few times at my request but m-biking is not her thing which is fine with me.

BTW my mate promised me some pics of his wounds so stay tuned and have a look when I add them to this thread.

[carver]

Can you show us a stunt two up? actually can you just show us a stunt??

how is rolling a stoppie 2 up in the wet?
is that good enough?

no pics sorry, ask sidewinder.

whats a stunt?

[Spuds1234]

My brother is a bit of a pain when your on the back of his bike. He'll lean it over no matter what you say. Hmmm maybe he only does that to me? Maybe it scares me because I have control issues? All I know is he doesn't slow down at all and he has no hand holds for the pillion. Crazy bastard, glad I have my own bike now. No more pillion passenger for me thanks!

Stop being a pussy. It wasnt like I was anywhere near leaning it over far, hell we were pretty much upright.

Its not my fault that you had to close your eyes around the corner :Pokey:

And I did slow down a bit after you told me to slow down.

Kudos for to you for not leaning the wrong way though.

[dave_a]

im guilty of doing the same thing when I have picked the missus up a couple times,giving her my jacket and gloves, Id feel bad if we fell off and wasnt wearing any gear, But id feel ten times worse if it was her not wearing the gear if we fell off.

[awayatc]

I always feel good after I get off to see the missus not wearing any gear.....

I don't mind just boots sometimes......

Or is this the wrong forum...?:gob:

[Radar]

BTW my mate promised me some pics of his wounds so stay tuned and have a look when I add them to this thread.

Here is a pic of my mate's injuries. His forearm was also scraped.

He was only going 15 kph on a metal road. He rode home and patched himself up. The next day he went to his GP but was sent to hospital for a proper attention. He had to take a day off work because his hand swelled up.


In summary:

BAD MISTAKE 1 - riding without protective gear


BAD MISTAKE 2 - not instructing his pillion on what to do and what NOT to do


BAD MISTAKE 3 - going on a metal road with a pillion

[NordieBoy]

BAD MISTAKE 3 - going on a metal road with a pillion

We have the occasional evening pillion adventure rides down here.
60-70% of the ride is on gravel.

[portokiwi]

[QUOTE=Hitcher;1940806][LIST]
Get on from the lefthand side
Don't get on until I tell you


Dont get on till I tell you....... I have seen that so many times people excited about going for a ride on their mates bike and jumping on while the rider was getting themseves ready.
:doh: Over goes the bike :rockon: Hitcher thats a very good point

[klingon]

BAD MISTAKE 3 - going on a metal road with a pillion


We have the occasional evening pillion adventure rides down here.
60-70% of the ride is on gravel.

BAD MISTAKE 3 should probably read "going on a gravel road with an inexperienced pillion who was not fully briefed pre-ride." And could possibly include "going on a gravel road with a pillion when perhaps the rider was not very experienced riding on gravel, and may or may not have come off even if the pillion had sat still" (just guessing here).

As for the pics... OUCH! Very graphic illustration of how much damage you can do even at such slow speeds. I'm tempted to show this to one of my colleagues who rides his scooter in jandals, shorts and a singlet (no gloves) and thinks he'll be ok because he "doesn't ride very fast."

[MarkH]

Burnie isin't even a word ya tard !

Pfffft - next you will be saying that ouchies isn't a word, or pfffft either. Don't be a fucktard!

[Number One]

On the other hand when I'm a pillion on the SV1000S with its small pillion seat, perched high above the rider, I have to be a bit more "involved" in what's going on and prepare myself for braking, accelleration and cornering. I'm far more exhausted after a pillion ride on the SV than I ever would be riding the same distance on my own bike.

Same as hubbies old TL1000S - much more involved and much more tiring.

The advice to look through the corner is good too that stopped me looking at how close the ground was on occasion through corners (which can NOT be good for a pillion to do) :msn-wink:

I learnt to ride myself not long after all these shenanigans!

BTW - Hubby was always in control and there were never any scary or close call moments but while I loved that bike I don't miss being on the back of it...talk about arm pump and hip cramp :eek:

[Radar]

BAD MISTAKE 3 should probably read "going on a gravel road with an inexperienced pillion who was not fully briefed pre-ride." And could possibly include "going on a gravel road with a pillion when perhaps the rider was not very experienced riding on gravel, and may or may not have come off even if the pillion had sat still" (just guessing here).


Your guessing is all correct. :yes:

I think it would be a good idea to show the pic to your colleague. They still may not get protective gear but at least you did what was right.

[WolfCollared]

Practise on grass? not an ideal substitute for the road really is it?

You need more control, same with gravel. This makes riding two up on the road easier.

I learnt on sand, made my passenger lean out and at different positions on the bike at a slow speed we fell into the sand - lots of fun and when it did come to riding on the road, piece of cake:shifty:

[Danae]

I regularly ride pillion, I think it's great fun and a good way to get used to leaning at faster speeds (I only have a wee 50cc scooter) before you get your motorcycle license. I have gloves, helmet and jacket but I still need motorcycle pants for long rides.

[MarkH]

I regularly ride pillion, I think it's great fun and a good way to get used to leaning at faster speeds (I only have a wee 50cc scooter) before you get your motorcycle license. I have gloves, helmet and jacket but I still need motorcycle pants for long rides.

There are plenty of options available for motorcycle pants. I use Dragin' Jeans during the warmer weather and when it gets cooler I use my Quasimoto Leather pants more, especially for long rides. I also have some cordura pants from the place in Onehunga that does cheap gear, I think it was only $150 - but of course you can't expect the same quality as you would get from Quasimoto for that price.

[Danae]

I've heard of Quasimoto. ^^ I'm gonna start looking around for pants soon, although I should probably get a job first. :laugh:

[carver]

I've heard of Quasimoto. ^^ I'm gonna start looking around for pants soon, although I should probably get a job first. :laugh:

you can do better than that!
i knew someone by your name from auckland a few years back.

[GrayWolf]

Sit down... hang on....shut up....go where i go...i dont care if its scary to lean...your coming with me.

I can manage if they force themselves upright for the corner...its when they lean in with you then try stay upright that you get in the shit.



Get on from the lefthand side
Don't get on until I tell you
Watch out for the exhaust pipe(s). Burnie, ouch!
If you can't see the back of my head, you've got on the wrong way. Please get off and try again
Hold the grab handles, not the love handles
Tap me on the shoulder if you want me to stop
Sit like you're a sack of potatoes. Neither I nor the motorcycle needs any help cornering
Keep your feet on the pegs at all times, particularly when the motorcycle stops
Do not get off until I tell you
Get off on the lefthand side
Enjoy your ride!



Ok guys that works, NOT!
Seriously, teaching or instructing a pillion has one of the most negative attitudes I frequently see on motorcycles.
I have had the privilage of re aquainting a few ladies (and a guy) with pillion riding over the years. The most frequent complaint is just what you are saying, sit down, shut up act like a sack of spuds.
Most have had the shit scared out of them either as an act of deliberate thoughtlessness or simply not having a clue what to do/expect.
It's just isnt realistic to put a total novice on the rear of a bike without explaining the dynamics (simply) of bike steering. Neither is it realitic to put them on the back and go onto the highway at 100+kph. I tell any pillion I take what I want them to do and what to expect if they are a novice. I show them how to use their hands to steady or brace themselves. Hands on hips, there is bone (leverage) to use under hard/fast acceleration. My preference with light (65kilo or under) passengers is for them to use the heel/palm of the hand to brace against the rear of the pelvic wings under braking. Heel of the hand at the sacrum, fingers out towards the hips. The force they exert is low and does not affect or displace my body position. It prevents 'head banging' and everyone I have shown that technique feels 'safer' and more stable.
We expect rider training to be given? Well pillion instruction is as important, do you want the G/friend 0r B/friend to panic halfway up the Taka's or on the Aka's?
My greastest pleasure was getting an ex girlfriend to ride pillion again after over 10 years, following a serious accident that left her ex with a severe brain injury. I went on the Veteran Japanese bike run at Stratford last month, very amusing for all, one of the riders wives was actualy physicaly sick being taken over the 'saddles' from Stratford to Wangamomona. We were all enjoying what we do best, geting into it on the corners.
A little time spent at low speed getting the feel pays dividends. I think Flossi's post reinforces this.


wow! ouch for your friend! :(my first experience as a pillion, about 12 years ago, I had nothing explained to me and had no clue. I was on the back of my partner's dad's bike, I'm sure he was cursing and swearing at me as he was going up hill and round corner, leaning, and I was trying to keep myself upright! (ie, I was leaning the opposite way!)

Yep, definitely need to brief a pillion on what is expected of them

[Hitcher]

The most frequent complaint is just what you are saying, sit down, shut up act like a sack of spuds.

Information should be provided on a need-to-know basis. If they are a physicist, then they should be able to figure most of what they need to know out for themselves. The last thing you want is an interactive pillion. A vector diagram with annotations and formulae adds no value to the experience from the rider's point of view. Once the prospective pillion has got over any initial reservations they may have and learn to anticipate and relax, all is good.

I'm not an advocate of going like shit first up. A new pillion needs a couple of leisurely rides to build their confidence. But the fewer, simpler instructions a rider can provide, the better. Do their PhD thesis for them later.