How many motorcycle riders? [Archive]

Mom

19th February 2009, 16:29

As the title suggests, how many motorcycle riders are there in NZ?

The reason for asking is I was also one of the lucky receipients of the Ride Forever DVD, that ACC are handing out in conjunction with local councils.

The very lovely Carolyn Taylor is the presenter, and the first thing she says in the opening minutes of the DVD is that there are over 450,000 motorcyclists on the road in New Zealand. How many?

Seems like there is a lot of us out there. I have checked the landtransport web site for some information to back up this claim and got the following registration figures.

In 2007 (the latest year the statistics are available for) there were 65,658 Licensed Motorcycles in New Zealand according to this table;

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/statistics/motor-vehicle-registration/2007/table-31.html

This one by type and age - shows 122,840 motorcycles and mopeds

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/statistics/motor-vehicle-registration/2007/table-30.html

Obviously to be on the road, your bike should be registered, so there appears to be a heck of a lot of riders sharing bikes.

Then I think, maybe they got their statistics from the number of Class 6 licenses held. Try as I might I could not find that information so I rang the 0800 number to ask. Apparently those details are not available on the web, and have to be requested in writting. It takes 4-10 days to get an answer back. I have written to ask for the information.

So, is there over 450,000 motorcyclists on the road in New Zealand?

Blackshear

19th February 2009, 16:35

I thought we made up 2%?

MarkH

19th February 2009, 16:41

Then I think, maybe they got their statistics from the number of Class 6 licenses held.

So, is there over 450,000 motorcyclists on the road in New Zealand?

I think you are right. For about 20 years I had a Class 6 license, but was driving a car. Actually I have Class 1, 2, 4 & 6 - now I am selling my car and I have only driven a truck once over the last decade. I don't think the number of people with a particular class of license really tells you how many are on the road in that type of vehicle.

xxcbr69xx

19th February 2009, 16:41

I wonder how many of that 450,000 (if true) are farm bikes and quads.:brick:

Mom

19th February 2009, 17:15

I wonder how many of that 450,000 (if true) are farm bikes and quads.:brick:

Sure a valid point, but...

The words are quite clear in the script, she definately says "there are over 450,000 motorcyclists on the road in NZ" (my emphasis obviously).

Yes there are many off road motorcycles that wont figure in the registration statistics, that is why I am thinking license statistics must be the source. But what an interesting number. Using this figure, perhaps motorcyclists are not the absolute, tiny minority as some may think?

glice

19th February 2009, 17:18

Thats more than I would have guessed. It must be the licences. I know afew people who have them but have just about never ridden a bike.

Ocean1

19th February 2009, 17:34

perhaps motorcyclists are not the absolute, tiny minority as some may think?

This is a democracy m'dear, given the appropriate tweaks a 49.9% minority is effectively as tiny as 4.99%.

And expecting information from different official sources to agree is futile, the data's been collected and massaged to produce support for the above tweaks, but for different "markets".

Mom

19th February 2009, 17:38

This is a democracy m'dear, given the appropriate tweaks a 49.9% minority is effectively as tiny as 4.99%.

And expecting information from different official sources to agree is futile, the data's been collected and massaged to produce support for the above tweaks, but for different "markets".

Sure I hear you loud and clear, but what if this figure is the accepted number of motorcyclists in NZ. Not a bad effort really, we should get a voice. Surely one officaial department, ACC, well they were the ones that gave me the DVD stating that figure anyway, can not use that figure, and another one not? Who says we cant massage the figures too, basing ourselves with a starting point of 450,000?

glice

19th February 2009, 18:11

Where did you get the DVD?

Ocean1

19th February 2009, 18:14

Who says we cant massage the figures too, basing ourselves with a starting point of 450,000?

'Cause "WE" ain't a coherent loby group, let alone an organised institution.

Change that first, then you get to play politics.

Hitcher

19th February 2009, 18:16

Where did you get the DVD?

It comes with a sausage/chocolate bar at an ACC roadblock coming soon to a town near you.

Ragingrob

19th February 2009, 18:30

I thought that dvd was pretty average... Some of their comments seemed way too like old fashioned, and the 2/3 riders were absolute shit! The "amateur" having ridden for 2 years or whatever apparently, and he couldn't even go around a corner.

piston broke

19th February 2009, 18:38

maybe thats the amount of registered bikes,
i've been known to have 3 at a time:drool:

1billyboy

19th February 2009, 18:38

I thought we made up 2%?
For years I was one of the 1%. Back in the last century (sixtys) I was called a tempory New Zealander but I am still here. :yes:

Mom

19th February 2009, 19:13

'Cause "WE" ain't a coherent loby group, let alone an organised institution.

Change that first, then you get to play politics.

Who said anything about playing politics? I am genuinely interested to find out how many motorcyclists we have on the road in NZ. You were the one talking about massaging figures, I played along. Serious question here. How many motorcyclists are on the road in NZ? Do you think there are 450,000? If not, why not? If so, why so?

Padmei

19th February 2009, 19:19

I've been reading Two wheels - the Aussie bike mag for the last few months & am impressed with the ads the Oz govt put in.

Instead of YOU"RE ALL GOING TO DIE as we get, they have quite good little educational scenarios regarding braking distances & cornering angles.

HAs the dvd any redeeming points?

Ragingrob

19th February 2009, 19:23

Whilst over in Aussie this summer I saw on TV and heard on the radio sooo many ads regarding the whole "Watch out for motorcyclists" theme... Really pushing people to take a second look etc... Don't see anything like that here apart from the occasional, very occasional billboard.

Jerry74

19th February 2009, 19:24

Not enough riders in nz

Mom

19th February 2009, 19:24

maybe thats the amount of registered bikes,
i've been known to have 3 at a time:drool:

My maths sucks (really it does) but maybe you can help me out here...

According to LTNZ there are 122,840 registered motorcycles year ended 2007 (June is the cut off end of year for them I think), and a stated on the ACC promoted DVD, 450,000 motorcyclists on the road.

Many more riders than bikes in them figures :yes:

I really want to know where 450,000 comes from.

Mom

19th February 2009, 19:26

HAs the dvd any redeeming points?

Yes, you should watch it! I am not commenting on the content of the DVD here at all, dont get me wrong. It is the stated number of motorcyclists that I am struggling to come to terms woth.

piston broke

19th February 2009, 19:27

Usarka

19th February 2009, 19:30

What?????? Are you saying that ACC don't have a f*#$*# clue and that they either make stuff up or misuse statistics for their own gain?

Well I never.... :gob:

duckonin

19th February 2009, 19:36

As well they are not all on the road at once !!!

piston broke

19th February 2009, 19:39

As well they are not all on the road at once !!!

wouldn't that be a great sight to see tho

wickle

19th February 2009, 19:50

Back in the dark ages when you went for your car licence you atoumatacilly got your bike licence, my father got his this way , neither rode a bike he was dangerous enough in his car!

Ixion

19th February 2009, 20:06

Not quite automatically. You had to pay extra for it.

Lonebull

19th February 2009, 20:21

I thought we made up 2%?

We are a small and exclusive band. Part of me wishes there were more, part of me relishes the exclusivity.

I do encourage as many as I can though (even born-again Harley riders:shifty:)

Stay Upright All

glice

19th February 2009, 20:36

Crazy Steve

19th February 2009, 20:41

My maths sucks (really it does) but maybe you can help me out here...

According to LTNZ there are 122,840 registered motorcycles year ended 2007 (June is the cut off end of year for them I think), and a stated on the ACC promoted DVD, 450,000 motorcyclists on the road.

Many more riders than bikes in them figures :yes:

I really want to know where 450,000 comes from.

Maybe this number will come down alot in the next 5years....Once the below people that got it almost for free and dont use it , Die ? ?

Back in the dark ages when you went for your car licence you atoumatacilly got your bike licence, my father got his this way , neither rode a bike he was dangerous enough in his car!

Max Preload

19th February 2009, 22:54

The "amateur" having ridden for 2 years or whatever apparently, and he couldn't even go around a corner.

I think this (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-198348503.htm) might be his bike...

Ragingrob

19th February 2009, 23:29

I think this (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-198348503.htm) might be his bike...

Huh? Lol...?

Okey Dokey

20th February 2009, 08:14

I wouldn't have thought there were 450,000 bikers on the road. It will be interesting to hear what response you get from your letter.

BTW, I'd be surprised if many quad bike users have bike licences at all. If they use them on say, a farm, and not public roads, I don't think they would bother to get a licence.

vgcspares

20th February 2009, 14:18

riding round daily I would guesstimate that 2 wheelers represent about 1% of the traffic (try counting how many out of 100 vehicles coming the other way) which means there are 4.5 million car drivers on the roads - signs of a Tui ad - if I'm right (that approx 1% are 2 wheelers) then you can halve the ACC's number to circa 200,000

Mom

20th February 2009, 14:23

Maybe this number will come down alot in the next 5years....Once the below people that got it almost for free and dont use it , Die ? ?

You may well be right there :yes:

Here is the reply received today

Hi Mom

As at 31/1/2009 in New Zealand there were:

56,109 current Class 6 Learner licence holders.

12,740 current Class 6 Restricted licence holders.

418,295 current Class 6 Full licence holders.

Cheers

Very nice man at LTNZ

So, 487,144 motorcycle license holders in New Zealand. I'll be a pickled jelly eel :shit:

Mom

20th February 2009, 14:28

I have sent the following email;

Hi nice man at LTSA

Thank you so much for your prompt reply, wonder if you can help me a little bit further?

Do the above figures include disqualified licenses?

How many disqualified licenses are there in each class?

Also is it possible to give an age demographic for each license class?

Many thanks for your help.

Kind regards

Mom

FJRider

20th February 2009, 14:36

418,295 current Class 6 Full licence holders.

I wonder at the percentage of this figure, that are yet to be "born again bikers". ???

Mom

20th February 2009, 14:40

I wonder at the percentage of this figure, that are yet to be "born again bikers". ???

Hence the age demographic question. Now I know a few people that hold bike licenses and dont ride, but going by these figues there are hundreds of thousands of them out there.

Funny little thing I just looked at too...

The active members of KB are around 1% of the license holders.

So we truely are the 1%ers :clap:

FJRider

20th February 2009, 14:45

Hence the age demographic question. Now I know a few people that hold bike licenses and dont ride, but going by these figues there are hundreds of thousands of them out there.

Funny little thing I just looked at too...

The active members of KB are around 1% of the license holders.

So we truely are the 1%ers :clap:

Funny thing I just looked at too... the percentage of "active" members of KB that actually have a bike...

MsKABC

20th February 2009, 14:46

So, 487,144 motorcycle license holders in New Zealand. I'll be a pickled jelly eel :shit:

Hmmmm :scratch: Well I do know of at least 3 people who hold m/cycle licences, but have not owned bikes or ridden bikes in years, my Mum and my Dad being 2 of them. So that is approximately 1 in 10 people who hold a class 6? Sounds about right I guess. I reckon that will probably decrease in years to come now that licences are harder to come by and people get less adventurous and ummm...."safety conscious"

vifferman

20th February 2009, 14:48

I don't think the number of people with a particular class of license really tells you how many are on the road in that type of vehicle.
Wochoo talking about?!?
I too have classes 1, 2, 4 and 6, and I'm almost always driving all these, often at the same time. Even now, I'm riding my bike, driving my wife's car and a rented truck, while writing this crap on Kiwi the Biker.

MsKABC

20th February 2009, 14:49

and I'm almost always driving all these, often at the same time. Even now, I'm riding my bike, driving my wife's car and a rented truck, while writing this crap on Kiwi the Biker.

A man who can multi-task is a rare and beautiful thing :D

Crazy Steve

20th February 2009, 14:51

Also is it possible to give an age demographic for each license class?

The answer to this im interested in.....:yes:

Im guessing over 50% of Class 6 Full are over 50 Years old...

Crazy Steve...

Mom

20th February 2009, 15:28

Also is it possible to give an age demographic for each license class?

The answer to this im interested in.....:yes:

Im guessing over 50% of Class 6 Full are over 50 Years old...

Crazy Steve...

Nothing wrong with being over 50 young man :Pokey:

Despatch

20th February 2009, 16:38

Maybe you can perform a census. Check "one" for me...

Mom

20th February 2009, 16:58

I hear the "born again" message clearly, it happens. I took a break from riding while my kids were babies, though I did pillion when someone was prepared to look after the lovelies for us. Apart from the late bloomers, I doubt there would be too many mothers on this site that have not taken a "break" from riding. The same can be said for the fathers too in some cases.

Obviously there are some that come to riding a bit later in life too. I think this stuff is interesting. I was genuinely surprised to hear the 450,000 comment, and now even more surprised to hear it is actually much more than that. Can't wait for the age breakdown, then who knows what we can ask :blip:

varminter

20th February 2009, 18:22

487,144 motorcycle riders ? what are their names ?
Personally I think there are more than that, why, when I wear my beer goggles I often see eight or even 9 on each bike.

MarkH

20th February 2009, 20:46

Wochoo talking about?!?
I too have classes 1, 2, 4 and 6, and I'm almost always driving all these, often at the same time. Even now, I'm riding my bike, driving my wife's car and a rented truck, while writing this crap on Kiwi the Biker.

I stand corrected. Actually just today I personally drove a car and rode a bike, unfortunately my multitasking skills were lacking and I did not do both concurrently.

Okey Dokey

20th February 2009, 20:55

Well, I am astonished at the figures.... glad to see you got a quick response and look forward to an age breakdown:niceone:

Big Dave

20th February 2009, 21:00

Mom

20th February 2009, 21:35

Good research mother.

The 400 large figure represents those that have obtained a licence and kept it current, no?

Registrations would be a truer indication of the number of vehicles on the road.

Indexing one against t'other would be interesting too.

I just think the whole thing is interesting. Even looking at statistics on registrations, there seems to be big differences. My first post gives a couple of examples of what is available on line regarding registrations. It is almost like they dont really keep any records properly, and then cobble something together to keep powers that be happy at the end of the year. Mind you I am not so flash on the maths thing so I am probably wrong.

I will be very interested to see if I can get age demographics, and whether the figures I have been given include disqualified licenses.

FJRider

20th February 2009, 22:53

Would age stats be available... or just year licences were issued...

mikeey01

20th February 2009, 23:18

You may well be right there :yes:
Here is the reply received today
Hi Mom
As at 31/1/2009 in New Zealand there were:
56,109 current Class 6 Learner licence holders.
12,740 current Class 6 Restricted licence holders.
418,295 current Class 6 Full licence holders.
Cheers
Very nice man at LTNZ
So, 487,144 motorcycle license holders in New Zealand. I'll be a pickled jelly eel :shit:

How the hell can someone prepare stats based on that data?
I reckon there would be at least another 20,000 who are not licensed, ride around farms, forests and the like!
Then another 20,000 that ride up and down roads, drive ways etc learning, again not licensed.
Then another 200,000 that have a bike licence but have no need for it anymore!

Or is it a case of - ACC are responsible for 450,000 and trying to get 122,840 to pay for it all!

chrispy121

21st February 2009, 00:00

45% of all vehicles in Melbourne that commute are bikes

Mom

21st February 2009, 07:32

How the hell can someone prepare stats based on that data?
I reckon there would be at least another 20,000 who are not licensed, ride around farms, forests and the like!
Then another 20,000 that ride up and down roads, drive ways etc learning, again not licensed.
Then another 200,000 that have a bike licence but have no need for it anymore!

Or is it a case of - ACC are responsible for 450,000 and trying to get 122,840 to pay for it all!

I hear you about unlicensed riders, but there is no way to actually count them. The figures I got are for current licesnses, hence the question about disqualified ones. These numbers are the official licenses held. No distinction as to whether they actually ride. Have at look at the registration figures on the links in the first post. That gives a clearer? idea of the number of bikes legally registered to ride on the road in NZ. I very much doubt there is another 200,000 licensed riders on top of the 487+ reported.

mikeey01

23rd February 2009, 23:28

I hear you about unlicensed riders, but there is no way to actually count them. The figures I got are for current licesnses, hence the question about disqualified ones. These numbers are the official licenses held. No distinction as to whether they actually ride. Have at look at the registration figures on the links in the first post. That gives a clearer? idea of the number of bikes legally registered to ride on the road in NZ. I very much doubt there is another 200,000 licensed riders on top of the 487+ reported.

No I'm not meaning 200,000 on top of, it's more like that many that are licenced but will never need / use the bike licence again...
I think it's crazy they cover off in their stat "the maybe" and should look at the actual!

I hear ya though and good on you for doing this, it's something I also find interesting and when reading their last report was concerned at the clever way it was in pointing out figures and percentages, what one needed to realise but missed was the de-creasing numbers.

Hinny

24th February 2009, 00:52

I thought that dvd was pretty average... Some of their comments seemed way too like old fashioned,

I wonder how much nit-picking we could do of the nit-pickers comments.
It appeared to be a one take wonder to me.

Skyryder

24th February 2009, 10:28

I think a more accurate figure would be how many motorcycle licence holders are there. Thee will be figure for this somewhere.

Skyryder

mikeey01

24th February 2009, 11:40

Mom

24th February 2009, 11:59

MOM any word back yet?

Just checked my email and no reply yet. Mind you they did originally say 4-10 working days, so I guess this next set of questions is actually taking some research. I will let you know when I hear anything.

madbikeboy

24th February 2009, 12:43

Okay, as one of 450,000 people who hold a valid motorcycle licence (well, 488,000); I'd like to understand why there is so little safety advertising, training, advice care of the government. Further, it would be great to understand why I have so little right on the road (northern motorway would be an example, a bus lane that I get ticketed to use) given the sustainability issues and lack of roading funding - and the fact that despite having one tenth of the footprint of a car, I'm actively discouraged from using a bike.

Moreover, I'd really like to understand, given that there are 450,000 of us legally allowed to ride, why we seem to have so little voice for safety and roading issues, like the cheesecutters debacle?

Thanks Mom,

Mike

Mom

4th March 2009, 18:44

Moreover, I'd really like to understand, given that there are 450,000 of us legally allowed to ride, why we seem to have so little voice for safety and roading issues, like the cheesecutters debacle?

Thanks Mom,

Mike

At risk of being accused of using you to bring this thread back to life (guilty as charged) I thought I should report back that I have had no response to my emailed question of Feb 22nd. I was told on the phone 4-10 days(working or not, I have no idea) and no reply. I have therefore not asked for a response to your pertinent question in the meantime either :(

10 days makes it Friday, so two more to go of I have my maths right that is.

Actually reading back on the reply I got, we should hear back Thursday :yes:

Good afternoon Mom

Thank you for your email dated 19 February 2009.

I have forwarded your statistics query to the appropriate department. They will respond in due course.

Regards

Contact Response Team

SARGE

4th March 2009, 18:48

As the title suggests, how many motorcycle riders are there in NZ?
.............. she says in the opening minutes of the DVD is that there are over 450,000 motorcyclists on the road in New Zealand. How many?

............. the following registration figures.

In 2007 (the latest year the statistics are available for) there were 65,658 Licensed Motorcycles in New Zealand according to this table;

This one by type and age - shows 122,840 motorcycles and mopeds

So, is there over 450,000 motorcyclists on the road in New Zealand?

when ya figure on the number of muppets with no rego/wof/class 6.. (many on this board....)

Mom

4th March 2009, 18:49

when ya figure on the number of muppets with no rego/wof/class 6.. (many on this board....)

:shit: I did not ask about the totally unlicensed ones among us...LOL

SARGE

4th March 2009, 18:52

:shit: I did not ask about the totally unlicensed ones among us...LOL

make that 472985 motorcyclists

hedcase07

4th March 2009, 19:03

Mom

4th March 2009, 19:09

I would be curious to know how many people wouldnt have thier bikes regestered when these figures were done. i dont rego mine in winter. lmao This would surely account for some of the difference between no of licence holders and registered bikes.

Yes, you are right, there will be a percentage of 6 class license holders that have their rego on hold for whatever reason, but not that many. Impossible to get that kind of data anyway really, well not impossible, but not easy, and very expensive and time consuming, and not actually worth it unless you had a good reason to know that information. Then of couse there will always be the people that tell porkies when answering "official" statistical questionaires.

Mom

12th March 2009, 11:09

After not receiving any reply from my last email I sent a little reminder yesterday and have received the following response;

Hi Mom
Apologies for the delay, your second request fell through a very narrow
crack and didnt resurface till you sent your reminder.

The attached table contains the breakdown that you requested.

You will notice that the grand total is more than your previous answer,
this is due to additional class 6 licences having been granted since
your last request and the inclusion of Disqualified class 6 licences
being added to the request line in the query as per your reqirements.

I trust this is satisfactory.

Very nice man at LTNZ

I have attached the spreadsheet he sent, and although I have not had time to study it in detail it makes for some interesting reading.

Ixion

12th March 2009, 11:38

Shit, there's a lot of us old farts in there. Real question though is, how many of those are stiull riding.

BIG props though to the TWO 85 year olds on their learners!

kave

12th March 2009, 11:52

I am impressed by the 15 year old with his full. Must have done a conversion from an overseas bike licence.

Mom

12th March 2009, 12:13

Shit, there's a lot of us old farts in there. Real question though is, how many of those are stiull riding.

BIG props though to the TWO 85 year olds on their learners!

How on earth would we find out the number still riding though? I have the registration figures for currently registered bikes, but that is a very small number compared to the number of people licensed to ride.

I like the 94 y/o on his full, picking he is no longer riding though.

Ixion

12th March 2009, 12:15

That's why I like the two 85yo learners. One would presume they are still riding. Even if they just did the "sit on learners for ever" they'd have had to be at least 70 odd when they got the L (cos before the GDLS they didn't exist)

Incidentally one would assume that the 94 yo is probably still driving a cage at any rate - cos its only a couple of years since they scrapped the over 80 testing, and he must have passed the last one.

jetboy

12th March 2009, 15:32

The very lovely Carolyn Taylor is the presenter, and the first thing she says in the opening minutes of the DVD is that there are over 450,000 motorcyclists on the road in New Zealand. How many?

Isn't she blonde?

jetboy

12th March 2009, 15:34

Isn't she blonde?
...and after reading the spreadsheet attached to the few posts above, it seems that it is I that is blonde!

peasea

12th March 2009, 16:57

How on earth would we find out the number still riding though?

Count them; there's me.........

mikeey01

12th March 2009, 17:22

How on earth would we find out the number still riding though? I have the registration figures for currently registered bikes, but that is a very small number compared to the number of people licensed to ride. I like the 94 y/o on his full, picking he is no longer riding though.

Interesting results, expected from a government department however.

This is the thing that cracks me up, stats like this being used in this way!
One can't assume 487,000 class 6 licence holders are current riders can they?
The only true way is by registerd vehicles by type.

So all those who have a tin top license are active drivers and drive a tin top?

To compile facts and projected data in this way is nothing short of a joke, remember they would have used this figure to plead for more money in acc levies as bods to cover for......
I'm sure the muppets haven't thought of their mistake this way.... add up all classes by type, car, bike, ht, rollers, tracks etc etc suddenly NZ pop would rise and we'd have 6 million.

Typical stats like this mess up and muddy the waters of the actual results needed, muppets.

peasea

12th March 2009, 17:28

Ocean1

12th March 2009, 17:36

BIG props though to the TWO 85 year olds on their learners!

And the TWO 91 year old disqualified dudes. :laugh:

Mom

12th March 2009, 19:06

Interesting results, expected from a government department however.

This is the thing that cracks me up, stats like this being used in this way!
One can't assume 487,000 class 6 licence holders are current riders can they?
The only true way is by registerd vehicles by type.

So all those who have a tin top license are active drivers and drive a tin top?

To compile facts and projected data in this way is nothing short of a joke, remember they would have used this figure to plead for more money in acc levies as bods to cover for......
I'm sure the muppets haven't thought of their mistake this way.... add up all classes by type, car, bike, ht, rollers, tracks etc etc suddenly NZ pop would rise and we'd have 6 million.

Typical stats like this mess up and muddy the waters of the actual results needed, muppets.

To make this clear, I was the one that asked for this data. My questions have been outlined in earlier posts. I asked for the number of licenses held in class 6, then I asked if they had an age demographic and what about disqualified licenses. I got the information I asked for. I have to assume this information is factual, though I dont feel I need to test it at this point. Nothing untoward here mate, this is raw data, I have no reason to suspect it has been massaged in anyway. I am Joe Citizen here and asked for some information. I received it.

And the TWO 91 year old disqualified dudes. :laugh:

Massively naughty individuals! :Punk: Imagine disqualified at that age, probably had a whoopsie in the trusty old tin tank and got forbidden, bless them. Lots of cool stuff in there for sure.

mikeey01

12th March 2009, 19:27

hey not having a go at ya, your doing good as far as I'm concerned as they mentioned in the dvd they mentioned that many riders right?
I should have a copy of the dvd turn up tomorrow all going well.

Mom your doing good in my books.

piston broke

12th March 2009, 19:27

I would be curious to know how many people wouldnt have thier bikes regestered when these figures were done. i dont rego mine in winter. lmao This would surely account for some of the difference between no of licence holders and registered bikes.

i always have my rego on hold,for the last 20+years anyway.
i guess i'm just lucky to not be pulled up.fekin taxes

Mom

12th March 2009, 19:44

i always have my rego on hold,for the last 20+years anyway.
i guess i'm just lucky to not be pulled up.fekin taxes

Hmmmmmm, a new question in the making....How many Motorcycle registrations are there on hold? I am liking this information gathering thing.

peasea

12th March 2009, 20:20

Hmmmmmm, a new question in the making....How many Motorcycle registrations are there on hold? I am liking this information gathering thing.

If the figure is correct then the accident rate (per ten thousand) is likely to be incredibly small and blows the ACC case for motorcycle levies out of the water, does it not?

Mom

12th March 2009, 20:25

If the figure is correct then the accident rate (per ten thousand) is likely to be incredibly small and blows the ACC case for motorcycle levies out of the water, does it not?

Who knows how ACC gather their data, though first visits to doctors has to be top of the info gathering list here. I have no idea where I am going with this, call it a fact gathering excercise at this stage.

McJim

12th March 2009, 20:33

So if there are 4,000,000 people in NZ and 600,000 of them are too young to hold a licence then around 15% of people of licence age are bikers. If we represent 5% of the accidents then we are paying too much for our ACC levies.

Hmmmmm....do we go to the media or a lawyer with this info?

MadDuck

12th March 2009, 20:35

Hmmmmm....do we go to the media or a lawyer with this info?

I think we should go international

Mom

12th March 2009, 20:46

quickbuck

12th March 2009, 20:55

Hmmmmmm, a new question in the making....How many Motorcycle registrations are there on hold? I am liking this information gathering thing.

Count mine in here.... Wheel still broken...

quickbuck

12th March 2009, 20:56

Who knows how ACC gather their data, though first visits to doctors has to be top of the info gathering list here. I have no idea where I am going with this, call it a fact gathering excercise at this stage.

Oh, and tick me up for this too.......

piston broke

12th March 2009, 21:54

Decisions, decisions....

Got to love statistics sometimes eh?

yep,twist and turn them till they show what you want:niceone:

Hinny

15th March 2009, 13:44

And the TWO 91 year old disqualified dudes. :laugh:

Massively naughty individuals! :Punk: Imagine disqualified at that age, probably had a whoopsie in the trusty old tin tank and got forbidden, bless them. Lots of cool stuff in there for sure.

I heard they were pulling wheelies. :blink:

Arronduke

15th March 2009, 15:46

well that saysw it all..!!:eek:

hayd3n

25th October 2009, 23:58

so if there are 4,000,000 people in nz and 600,000 of them are too young to hold a licence then around 15% of people of licence age are bikers. If we represent 5% of the accidents then we are paying too much for our acc levies.

Hmmmmm....do we go to the media or a lawyer with this info?

take it to FAIR GO