[Hornet 250] vs [250 09 Ninja] [Archive]

vendetta

19th February 2009, 18:06

NOMIS

19th February 2009, 18:10

Well this is my first bike of my own, but I know how to ride one fairly well.
I am planning on having the bike for about 3 years at least through university so I need a reliable one. But having said that I also want one with some good power to keep me happy and keeping up with my brother. I can spend about 8K and so the hornets I am looking at are about $8000-9000 but have less than 5000 kms. If I got a ninja I would probably get a new one just to be sure. Any way I would like to hear your guys opinions, I would probably prefer the hornet if I can get a good enough one, theres a 2006 one for $8.5K on trade-me with 6000 kms and that looks about what I want.

wow another wana be hornet rider:first:.... well here yah go 20000km but worth it and seriously look at gi joe 100,000km almost and still going with out a problem what so ever - oh and look at all the bling on it :-) - can spend the rest of you money on important things like book's for uni :-) :eek:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=203645011

vendetta

19th February 2009, 18:31

NOMIS

19th February 2009, 18:38

yea I saw your bike on trade me just before. Looks pretty cool but yea im not sure about it, the main thing is the age of it and the kms, I know they arnt really very much its just I really want a very good motor cond bike and a 2001 bike is now 8 years old thats all. Not that I wont think about your bike, Id just like to hear some other opinions and my brothers.
Cheers man,

No worries mate. if you want i can give you wild west honda's number and they can tell you on the condition of my bike and how as Don put it " anoyingly maticulous in every way" - regarding my bike .. lol.

vtec

19th February 2009, 18:40

If they're made anything like the CBR's, Nomis' ride is a baby and good for at least another 80,000k's or maybe another 20 years if you don't do massive mileage.

Ragingrob

19th February 2009, 18:41

Haha 8 years old now? Age? Sounds pretty damn spanking new to me haha!

vendetta

19th February 2009, 19:04

ok can I please have the number for wild west hondas and what I should say so they reconise your bike?
thanks,

Slyer

19th February 2009, 19:09

Mines an '88 with over 80,000 k's, it's fine...
Although I did put an '07 motor in it which helps. :bleh:

Hornet is faster and crashes cheaper due to lack of fairings.
But Ninja is sexier, uses less fuel and cheaper maintenance. (2 vs 4 cylinder)
Hope this helps, though most of the points are quite marginal. :)

Have a sit and ride on both and see what you think, this is the real test.

NOMIS

19th February 2009, 20:44

ok can I please have the number for wild west hondas and what I should say so they reconise your bike?
thanks,

http://www.wildwesthonda.co.nz/ - talk to Don Clark - say Simon's 250 black Hornet with all the mod's - GSXR headlight , you will have to speak to Don tho he the one who knows me best 09 825 0011

there a guy in Wellington that im talking to atm thats pretty keen so waiting to hea back from him so may be gone not to sure yet...

Badger8

19th February 2009, 20:55

Stuff payin 8.5k for a 250 Hornet! Buy mine for 6k! :bleh:
'01, 16,000km, good tyres with tons of tread left, new O-Ring chain, inline fuelk filte, und sexy red wheel stripes :lol:
Check out the pics in my profile, if you're interested gimme a bell and come kick the tyres :yes: Looking at selling at some stage to fund my big bike, not exactly sure when yet tho :p

Would definitely recommend the hornet over the kwaka, but i am biased... i lurv :love: my lil hornet, and would keep her if i could afford to :yes:

GSXR Trace

19th February 2009, 21:04

http://www.wildwesthonda.co.nz/ - talk to Don Clark - say Simon's 250 black Hornet with all the mod's - GSXR headlight , you will have to speak to Don tho he the one who knows me best 09 825 0011

there a guy in Wellington that im talking to atm thats pretty keen so waiting to hea back from him so may be gone not to sure yet...

:gob: then what ya gonna get... need to get out riding again man!

I have no experience with either ninja or hornet sorry... but i rode my suzuki gsx two fiddy for four years on my full (didn't have enough dosh to upgrade) and she kept going well... you treat her right (services etc) and she will do you well! I suggest you get it from someone you know or semi-know, so that you have an idea of how its been treated! OR take her for a test ride.. and see how she feels!

NOMIS

19th February 2009, 21:08

:gob: then what ya gonna get... need to get out riding again man!

I have no experience with either ninja or hornet sorry... but i rode my suzuki gsx two fiddy for four years on my full (didn't have enough dosh to upgrade) and she kept going well... you treat her right (services etc) and she will do you well! I suggest you get it from someone you know or semi-know, so that you have an idea of how its been treated! OR take her for a test ride.. and see how she feels!

i want a 2009 R1 can you foot the difference? just kidding , NC30 - CBR600 F4i, blade street tripple what ever comes my way but thoes 4 are on the list that im wanting to view just dont want to do what people done to me and stuff me around..

GSXR Trace

19th February 2009, 21:15

i want a 2009 R1 can you foot the difference? just kidding , NC30 - CBR600 F4i, blade street tripple what ever comes my way but thoes 4 are on the list that im wanting to view just dont want to do what people done to me and stuff me around..

if i could foot the difference... id be looking to get myself a second... unfortunately, i can't! Sorry! haha
i would probably look at CBR and street triple long before NC30... but thats just me! But of course, R1 is nice too... haha. happy hunting!

motorbyclist

19th February 2009, 21:30

just I really want a very good motor cond bike and a 2001 bike is now 8 years old thats all. Not that I wont think about your bike, Id just like to hear some other opinions and my brothers.

ah, another newbie who thinks the age of a bike dictates it's reliablility

in MY opinion, a 20 year old honda CB with 50000km can will be just as reliable as a brand new kawasaki. fortunately this kawasaki "ninja" is basically the same bike as the gpx so they've ironed out most the bugs already... until the bottom end im/explodes on you...

in my experience, well that's where i get my opinion from - if it's in good nick it'll last as long as you keep it:yes:

only thing to watch out for with the hornet is that because it has big-bike tyres you pay big-bike prices for them, whereas the gpx only has two carbies and small tyres to worry about during the running in period.

with 8 grand to blow, seeing as you can already ride, I would get a mint cbr250rrrrrr if i was you.

Mines an '88 with over 80,000 k's, it's fine...
Although I did put an '07 motor in it which helps. :bleh:

Hornet is faster and crashes cheaper due to lack of fairings.
But Ninja is sexier, uses less fuel and cheaper maintenance. (2 vs 4 cylinder)
Hope this helps, though most of the points are quite marginal. :)

Have a sit and ride on both and see what you think, this is the real test.

yeah crash your hornet and bugger the tank and motor - much cheaper than readily available fairings:rolleyes:

hornet is WAY sexier than that POS "ninja". heck even the zxr250 looks better than the ninja... ok to be fair the zxr is a nice bike, so i'll say even the fxr looks better than a ninja. seriously. the ninja is par with a hyosung, except the hyosung looked cool when they were first released

but ultimately, yes, have a ride and see what you want.

and whatever you do, ALWAYS take someone with you to check a bike. specifically someone who knows what they're looking at, and make sure to check everything. doesn't matter if the bike is 3 months or 30 years old always have someone - too many private sellers are selling cause they got a quote from a mechanic after thrashing the bike without oil for 6 months or something to that effect

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-192198822.htm

:blip:

Nomis's hornet is real awesome and looks the business too btw

NOMIS

19th February 2009, 21:38

only thing to watch out for with the hornet is that because it has big-bike tyres you pay big-bike prices for them,

yeah crash your hornet and bugger the tank and motor - much cheaper than readily available fairings:rolleyes:

Agree withthe newbe part and the above.

tyres - sheesh try $600 a set for the number 1 diablos I have , prob the best you can get for the hornet

And its called oggy nobs dude good investment - mine also has fitted :D

macros87

19th February 2009, 21:46

heck even the zxr250 looks better than the ninja...

i was about to get really offended right then..

ok to be fair the zxr is a nice bike,

buut then you thought about what you were saying right? RIGHT?

yeah crash your hornet and bugger the tank and motor - much cheaper than readily available fairings:rolleyes:

take it from him this guy, his brother has a hornet with a gas tank that has only been repaired with band aids! the whole dropping the bike thing just comes down to would you rather scratched plastic bits? or scratched engine bits? your pick

motorbyclist

19th February 2009, 21:50

tyres - sheesh try $600 a set for the number 1 diablos I have , prob the best you can get for the hornet

And its called oggy nobs dude good investment - mine also has fitted :D

yeah can get crash bungs for faired bikes too, but my little brother didn't when he went for a slide and knocked the corner of the tank in and scuffed up the covers... tank can be bogged but we're leaving it til the L plates go

besides, chicks dig scars - why fix it:stupid:

battle scars (or 'love bites') just give the bike more "street cred" :laugh:

he's picking up a new set of diablos tomorrow, front and rear. tis closer to $700 than 600, which is twice what a 250 should cost! at least they last just as long

motorbyclist

19th February 2009, 21:52

his brother has a hornet with a gas tank that has only been repaired with band aids!

but it's got a boo-boo:baby:

ital916

20th February 2009, 00:09

but it's got a boo-boo:baby:

No what it has got is a retarded owner, tell ya brother to look after the thing andrew. 10psi in the rear tire, jeeeeesus. Now motorb is a fine example of a person who looks after their bikes, his advice is usually good. *not that i listen to it:cool:*

PirateJafa

20th February 2009, 05:05

if i could foot the difference... id be looking to get myself a second... unfortunately, i can't! Sorry! haha
i would probably look at CBR and street triple long before NC30... but thats just me! But of course, R1 is nice too... haha. happy hunting!

Bah, it's because only connoisseurs appreciate the true quality of the NC30s, not filthy plebians like yourself Tracey. ;)

the main thing is the age of it and the kms, I know they arnt really very much its just I really want a very good motor cond bike and a 2001 bike is now 8 years old thats all.

The age of the bike is not indicative of condition - the previous owners are what affects the condition. I've seen good bikes that are more than 20 years old, and I've seen absolute dogs of bikes from just this millenium.

IMO, with your budget, I'd get a mint CBR or ZXR. If you're going to spend that amount of money, you should at least be getting the best performance/handling you deserve to be buying in the 250 market. :niceone:

NOMIS

20th February 2009, 06:08

if i could foot the difference... id be looking to get myself a second... unfortunately, i can't! Sorry! haha
i would probably look at CBR and street triple long before NC30... but thats just me! But of course, R1 is nice too... haha. happy hunting!

hahaha

well the nc30 wont stay a 100 % bc30 if i get one any way.. say good buy to all fairing's when if i do get one, there will be pic's :-) it shall be a 2005 cbr/nc30 vfr400 once im finished

Sparrowhawk

20th February 2009, 06:31

My 2c worth - Buy buying the ninjette, you get:
A brand new bike (not previously thrashed or badly serviced)
Easily available parts (although the hornet may have that too)

But at the end of the day, take a hornet for a ride, then take a ninja for a ride. Then decide which is best for you. They're both well known, reliable bikes.

motorbyclist

20th February 2009, 07:02

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-203120461.htm

having had all the old seals replaced this may as well be new!

!!!!

Slyer

20th February 2009, 07:48

That is a mint cbr.
Do it!

RantyDave

20th February 2009, 08:19

Not wishing to piss on anyone's parade, but this if this is your first bike, you're relatively likely to drop it. I'd carefully consider getting something ... ummmm ... a bit more restrained - a scorpio for instance. That way if you do drop it, it's not the end of the world and (more importantly) you get to conserve cash for the "real" bike.

But that's just me. Not everyone's as boring as I am.

Dave

NOMIS

20th February 2009, 08:44

Not everyone's as boring as I am.
Dave

I agree with the above - NOMIS .

But in truth dave is right make sure you get good insurance

macros87

20th February 2009, 08:50

you are looking to spend 8 grand tho? why not get a respectable bike for 4 or 5 grand which you definitely can do and if anything ever arises you have three grand to spend on it anyway, most people posting here right now would agree that there is no fun in a bike who doesn't need doing anything to it, people around here are always happy to help if you want to do it yourself and kb labor only costs beer. and on reliability a friend once told me bikes are so reliable that the only real thing taking them of the road is the cars that hit them, and the learners that total them, i totally agree with that as it explains all the 20+ year old bikes out there.

samgab

20th February 2009, 09:00

Hornets are an awesome bike.
Go amazingly, great build quality, fast, reliable, and look fantastic IMHO...

If you're lucky you can get a brand new VTR250 for $8G too.
http://www.otorohonda.co.nz/new_bikes/road/street/vtr250/index.htm

Honda NZ doesn't import the VTR or Hornet currently, unfortunately.

NOMIS

20th February 2009, 09:08

people posting here right now would agree that there is no fun in a bike who doesn't need doing anything to it, people around here are always happy to help if you want to do it yourself and kb labor only costs beer. .

2 things -
1 - You can never stop modding 2 - What about people like me who don't drink? :yes:

Dude if i wasnt upgrading and was a money bags i could easily spend a few more thousand dollars on my bike to get it more how i want, but hey that can be fun for some one else

TOTO

20th February 2009, 09:26

ok here you go:

Kawaka

pros:

New

shiney plastic

good colours

tyres are not so expensive

Cons:

pricey

Shiney Plastic costs money to repair in a drop

frame sliders are not available as are not crash protectors

Skinny tyres provide not the best feeling on the road
as a new bike servicyng will cost more as you need everything done by the shop to keep waranty

Ph and they are not very fast for a 250 which is taken as a factor when for example you need to overtake a car on the uphill - the parallel twin engine is not made for horsepower performance but rather more of a cruise

Hornet

Pros:
cheaper to buy

more power than kawaka as an inline four engine that has been taken from the cbr250, the hornets can overtake trafiic no problemo and have no problem keeping up with the big bikes up to 140km/h if you are an experienced rider

As a naked there is alot less to brake when being dropped

Frame sliders and crash bars are available for the hornets which makes them very sturdy in a drop - you just pick them up, put a new lever on and you are back on the road

cheaper to maintain as you are able to do some servicing yourself - at least oil and filter change which saved you at least 100bux per service

big bike size tyres - the 180 on the front as standard provides an awesome feel on the road and espessially in super tight corners

Adjustable rear suspension which really works - not like a super sports bike like a CBR1000 but pretty good

heaps of parts and accessories and bling available for the hornets

oh and Hornets can go around the clock 100 000+ km without engine rebuilds or any other major servicing

Cons:

not as shiney as the kawaka

you pay a little extra for the tyres due to the sizing which is like big sports bikes

I had the same choice as you 7 monthas abo and went for the hornet, and havent looked back since. In fact i loved it so much that I bought a big hornet after i got my full and am so happy.

ADVERTISING:

I have the 250 hornet for sale as well as badger and Nomis.

White - 2001 - just under 49 000km - new chain and sprockets 2000km ago - small ding on tank - small scratch on exhaust pipe cover(fixable to brand new condition for 80 bux - I'll fix for free if you become the buyer) - needs new tires bad as Ive used them up - price 4.5k
Send me a pm or a txt on 021 152 00 27 if interested

GSXR Trace

20th February 2009, 09:36

i think this thread now warrants a change of title: 250 hornets for sale!

Squiggles

20th February 2009, 09:40

i think this thread now warrants a change of title: 250 hornets for sale!

Cant be that good if they all want to get rid of em! :eek:

TOTO

20th February 2009, 09:46

Cant be that good if they all want to get rid of em! :eek:

same applies to a 97 TL1000...

Slyer

20th February 2009, 10:08

I'm never selling my ninja never. ;)

macros87

20th February 2009, 10:34

2 things -
1 - You can never stop modding 2 - What about people like me who don't drink? :yes:

Dude if i wasnt upgrading and was a money bags i could easily spend a few more thousand dollars on my bike to get it more how i want, but hey that can be fun for some one else

ahhh my bad.... its too often that i find myself being to quick to judge, i had simply assumed we all here fit the long haired, unshaven, leather wearing, beer drinking dirty biker stereotype... i do apologize, so if anyone needs you time and help on a motorbike and lacks cash, what should we be offering you? just out of curiosity :P

and yeah you are absolutely right i also wana spend tons of money on my bike for stuff it probably doesn't even need..

I'm never selling my ninja never. ;)

see i used to think that then i realised its just a matter of falling in love with another ride :) which i think will be the deciding factor in this guys ultimate decision, because we can talk on and on about the bikes reliability but with the amount of cash he is willing to spend, he can get a hornet that's just as reliable and will last just as long as a new ninja. so it will all come down to which he likes better in looks and riding.

anyway has he had a go at both those bikes yet?

NOMIS

20th February 2009, 10:52

ahhh my bad.... its too often that i find myself being to quick to judge, i had simply assumed we all here fit the long haired, unshaven, leather wearing, beer drinking dirty biker stereotype... i do apologize, so if anyone needs you time and help on a motorbike and lacks cash, what should we be offering you? just out of curiosity :P

and yeah you are absolutely right i also wana spend tons of money on my bike for stuff it probably doesn't even need..

anyway has he had a go at both those bikes yet?

Well i could say something like it depends on gender.. but thats also not my style haha

Just ask and see what i can do to be honest allways up to offer advice on thing's and im honest about it if i actually dont have a clue..

But yeh i dont mind helping out. good company and a can of coke lol

Slyer

20th February 2009, 11:23

see i used to think that then i realised its just a matter of falling in love with another ride :)
Yes, I will upgrade but the little Ninja will never leave me.

Badger8

20th February 2009, 14:45

Cant be that good if they all want to get rid of em! :eek:

i lurv :love: my lil hornet, and would keep her if i could afford to :yes:

Yeah, sounds like that guy hates it and cant wait to get rid of it :bleh: :jerry:
Am only selling my baby hornet so i can get my hooks into a big daddy hornet :wari:

macros87

20th February 2009, 15:14

Yes, I will upgrade but the little Ninja will never leave me.

it would be awesome if when it came time to upgrade i could keep my ninja as a commuter and still be able to afford a weekend fun bike... but that might not be possible :(

NOMIS

20th February 2009, 15:18

well once my bike gets the a ok from mechanic tomorrow its SOLD SOLD SOLD so buy bagers and toto's. 100% confident there nothing wrong with it so sure it will pass no worries

macros87

20th February 2009, 15:26

well once my bike gets the a ok from mechanic tomorrow its SOLD SOLD SOLD so buy bagers and toto's. 100% confident there nothing wrong with it so sure it will pass no worries

Oh dude awesome! what are you looking at getting now? do you have your eye on anything already?

Slyer

20th February 2009, 15:44

it would be awesome if when it came time to upgrade i could keep my ninja as a commuter and still be able to afford a weekend fun bike... but that might not be possible :(

I only paid $1.3k for my bike so it's a distinct possibility. :D

macros87

20th February 2009, 16:08

I only paid $1.3k for my bike so it's a distinct possibility. :D

but surely you have poured both money and love into it increasing its value. didnt you mention before putting a new engine in it? that sounds like a definite increase in value to me

NOMIS

20th February 2009, 16:10

Oh dude awesome! what are you looking at getting now? do you have your eye on anything already?

NC30 - will mod it to shit like i have my hornet if i do get this, a speed 4, a gsxr-600 and a cbr600f to look at leaning mostly to the nc30

GSXR Trace

20th February 2009, 17:19

NC30 - will mod it to shit like i have my hornet if i do get this, a speed 4, a gsxr-600 and a cbr600f to look at leaning mostly to the nc30

glad you putting some style into it! haha (i know im gonna get slammed for this... but oh well)

macros87

20th February 2009, 17:39

NC30 - will mod it to shit like i have my hornet if i do get this, a speed 4, a gsxr-600 and a cbr600f to look at leaning mostly to the nc30

all sound like good choices to me

glad you putting some style into it! haha (i know im gonna get slammed for this... but oh well)

yea dont let motorbyclist hear you, he will get an aneurysm!

Grizzo

20th February 2009, 17:45

chester

20th February 2009, 17:50

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=204095972 :scooter:

motorbyclist

20th February 2009, 19:30

ai had simply assumed we all here fit the long haired, unshaven, leather wearing, beer drinking dirty biker stereotype..

... honestly, it just happened and i only just realised now.

NC30 - will mod it to shit like i have my hornet if i do get this, a speed 4, a gsxr-600 and a cbr600f to look at leaning mostly to the nc30

go the NC30!

glad you putting some style into it! haha (i know im gonna get slammed for this... but oh well)

that's a bit rich coming from a gsxr owner!