Embarrassed

[snuffles]

Was driving to work this morning and passed a guy on a 125 dirt bike, riding at 80 km on the motorway.

No protective gear , just a dirt bike helmet and a pair of shitty old MX gloves.

Just had my usual, thought of " dickhead" and " hope the skin grafts work", then I t dawned on me, this dick head was a relation of mine!!!!!!!!

I will be having a few words with this intelligent chap this evening:Pokey:


How embarassing.

[Nasty]

I think we all have a number of dickheads in our families. We shouldn't be embarressed .. .we should embrace them and kick their arses appropriately!! :angry2:

[spookytooth]

Or you could just mind your own bissness

[snuffles]

Or you could just mind your own bissness

Yep na dyou could go fuck yourself:eek5:

[spookytooth]

Yep na dyou could go fuck yourself:eek5:

Would be a good skill to have alright

[3umph]

Or you could just mind your own bissness

why mind your own business??? especially if you know the person

Kick there ass and remind them of the dangers of riding bikes... not just his riding but other vehicles and hazards on the roads, how quick things can go bad and lack of protection if the worst is to happen

[spookytooth]

why mind your own business??? especially if you know the person



Because it is the choice they are more than happy to make and it is their choice

[Nagash]

why mind your own business??? especially if you know the person

Kick there ass and remind them of the dangers of riding bikes... not just his riding but other vehicles and hazards on the roads, how quick things can go bad and lack of protection if the worst is to happen

If he doesn't know that bike's have an amazing tendency to fall over, and when one does so and a certain rate of knots, it hurts like fuck. Then just leave it for Darwin to sort out.

Obviously it's a relative so you care about him/her and all that tripe.


If he does know, then he's making an informed decision on the matter and won't give a flying fuck what you say.

So, as above, mind your own business. You're making Darwin's job harder.

[3umph]

Well I'd rather be told if I was doing something wrong or dangerous by someone so I could then make the choice to listen to them of not...

If it was me I would tell them... then if something happened at least you could say they were warned and not feel as guilty if you had not warned them of the dangers

[samgab]

...it is there choice

Where?....

[Rockbuddy]

or you could just show them this website
http://home1.gte.net/res0ak9f/bike.htm

[Max Preload]

Was driving to work this morning and passed a guy on a 125 dirt bike, riding at 80 km on the motorway.

No protective gear , just a dirt bike helmet and a pair of shitty old MX gloves.

Just had my usual, thought of " dickhead" and " hope the skin grafts work", then I t dawned on me, this dick head was a relation of mine!!!!!!!!

I will be having a few words with this intelligent chap this evening:Pokey:


How embarassing.

Every family has one. You should be overjoyed to find out it's not you! :woohoo:

[slofox]

Hmmmm...seems to me that I was always identified as the "dickhead" in my family...bastards...

[The Pastor]

Its the riders choice to wear what ever he wants to, sure by all means tell him that you think he needs to be wrapped up in cotton wool, but at the end of the day its his choice. Deal with it.

[Neon]

I used to work with a guy who was an experienced tradesman, who would literally stand and watch apprentice types / graduate engineers / new employees badly injure themselves while using tools just so he could say "I told you so". Ridiculous.

We all have to start somewhere, and there are better ways to learn than 'finding out the hard way'. The first time I went pillion on a mates' bike 10 years ago I wore virtually no protective gear because I didn't know any better.

How unbelievably irresponsible to see injury waiting to happen and do nothing to prevent it. How even more irresponsible when it is a member of your own family. Words escape me. :blink:

edit: I guess I'm saying talk to him nicely!

[samgab]

or you could just show them this website
http://home1.gte.net/res0ak9f/bike.htm

Euuw... Just gets gorier and gorier as you scoll down! The mangled remnants of body parts near the end, wow...

[3umph]

Euuw... Just gets gorier and gorier as you scoll down! The mangled remnants of body parts near the end, wow...

yip sure does.... show that dude that site

[UberRhys]

Was driving to work this morning and passed a guy on a 125 dirt bike, riding at 80 km on the motorway.

No protective gear , just a dirt bike helmet and a pair of shitty old MX gloves.

Just had my usual, thought of " dickhead" and " hope the skin grafts work", then I t dawned on me, this dick head was a relation of mine!!!!!!!!

I will be having a few words with this intelligent chap this evening:Pokey:


How embarassing.

Family - can't live with em, can't live with out em... Most of all you can't tell them a damn thing!

[vgcspares]

we live in a democracy - you have a right to an opinion, you have the right to voice your opinion, but only the government has a right to make you listen to theirs ... and even if they don't you can't switch on the TV without getting public service messages staggered across every channel along the lines of:

don't speed,
don't drink,
don't smoke,
don't fight,
don't eat shit,
don't share spit,
don't ... don't ... don't

as most (admittedly not the first one) are blindingly obvious you have to question the % of GDP being wasted on people's salaries pushing these messages - we should be thankful there are others who push them for free (sic)

[Pascal]

Do injuries relating from motorcycle accidents contribute to our ACC premium calculations? Or, simpler put, do the expenses incurred by ACC relating to motorcycle accidents contribute to the levy they include in our licensing fees?

If the answer is yes, I can't see why anybody wouldn't be in favour of talking to him nicely :)

[Max Preload]

Do injuries relating from motorcycle accidents contribute to our ACC premium calculations? Or, simpler put, do the expenses incurred by ACC relating to motorcycle accidents contribute to the levy they include in our licensing fees?

If the answer is yes, I can't see why anybody wouldn't be in favour of talking to him nicely :)

Of course injuries attributable to motorcycles accidents or crashes affects the ACC levy on road registered motorcycles. That's what 'no fault' accident injury insurance is all about! They're not apportioning any blame by increasing the levies for a particular group! That's crazy talk! :confused:

[90s]

didn't know any better.

Well this is the key isn't it?
Education - then let the person and Darwin sort out whether they want to take the advice or not.

Looking at those websites (and ride2die I'd recommend) and then looking at the cost and options of good gear anyone can do a simple cost-benefit for themselves. There are some that prefer to pay for insurance (ie. gear) and never bin, there are some that choose to save the cash and pay out big in injuries later. Yes its your choice which you decide to be but having someone at least inform you there is a choice and a cost to consider is important.

I was once like a lot of bikers who once "didn't know better", being 17 at the time and indestructible, but now have some (luckily very small) roadrash scars. I can't see the problem of seeing another biker and saying "if you ride in shorts and bin even at low speed the very least injuries you will get will be these - and there are still with you are 20 years" and showing them. In fact I did that last week to a guy I saw parking next to me riding in shorts. (no I was not flashing him :oi-grr:)

[Patrick]

Because it is the choice they are more than happy to make and it is their choice

But it is not my choice to pay higher ACC premiums, just so ACC can patch up those who don't give a shit and refuse to try to protect themselves.... Give him a good serve, OP.

[snuffles]

Its the riders choice to wear what ever he wants to, sure by all means tell him that you think he needs to be wrapped up in cotton wool, but at the end of the day its his choice. Deal with it.

I agree, but it is also your duty to care.......If you saw your child riding in an unsafe manner, would you also say deal with it, when they kill or maim themself????? if so , you have my undying respect for being the ultimate hard bastard.,

[jim.cox]

Was driving to work this morning and passed a guy on a 125 dirt bike

...

How embarassing.

You were DRIVING

He was riding

and you want to lecture him

How well do think thats going go down?

"Let those who ride decide"

[The Pastor]

i agree, but it is also your duty to care.......if you saw your child riding in an unsafe manner, would you also say deal with it, when they kill or maim themself????? If so , you have my undying respect for being the ultimate hard bastard.,
moron, a child dose not have the skills to access and judge the situation. A person who rides a motorbike can.

[Patrick]

moron, a child dose not have the skills to access and judge the situation. A person who rides a motorbike can.

Best TUI moment in a while, this pearler.....:eek::killingme:lol::rofl:

[Neon]

moron, a child dose not have the skills to access and judge the situation. A person who rides a motorbike can.

Hmm. Not so sure about that one. Remember that the legal driving age in this fair country is currently 15. It scares me to even write that down. <_<

So, at age 15 you can legally own and operate a motorcycle on the road. Do you have all the information (or is your brain developed enough) to make the right decisions around riding? Another thread I guess, but the point I think everyone is alluding to is this:

According to the voting public, we wish to live in a society where we retain a reasonable degree of personal responsibility with regard to appropriate safety equipment. Your decision, freedom of choice.

However, in order to make a decision at all you must firstly identify that there is a decision to be made, and only then can you determine if you have the appropriate information to decide.

While I am sure that there is a good proportion of the population who understand the risks and choose not to wear ATGATT, there will also be a significant proportion who do not even consider the presence of risk, and surely it is our duty to provide education.

[The Pastor]

hmm. Not so sure about that one. Remember that the legal driving age in this fair country is currently 15. It scares me to even write that down. <_<

so, at age 15 you can legally own and operate a motorcycle on the road. Do you have all the information (or is your brain developed enough) to make the right decisions around riding? Another thread i guess, but the point i think everyone is alluding to is this:

According to the voting public, we wish to live in a society where we retain a reasonable degree of personal responsibility with regard to appropriate safety equipment. Your decision, freedom of choice.

However, in order to make a decision at all you must firstly identify that there is a decision to be made, and only then can you determine if you have the appropriate information to decide.

While i am sure that there is a good proportion of the population who understand the risks and choose not to wear atgatt, there will also be a significant proportion who do not even consider the presence of risk, and surely it is our duty to provide education.
don't care how stupid the person is, he is of the age where he must make the decision for himself.

[Hitcher]

How embarassing.

Indeed. Embarrassed has two rs.

[Mom]

So, at age 15 you can legally own and operate a motorcycle on the road.


Not a motorcycle, but a 49cc or less with less the 2KW output moped/scooter can be legally riden on the road if you hold a car learners license. You can sit the scratch test on your 15th birthday :yes:

[Patrick]

don't care how stupid the person is, he is of the age where he must make the decision for himself.

Then the decision should also be, no protective gear, no ACC cover. Sorted.

[The Pastor]

then the decision should also be, no protective gear, no acc cover. Sorted.
no fuck off

[Neon]

Then the decision should also be, no protective gear, no ACC cover. Sorted.

What is 'protective gear'?

Herein lies the problem...

[Patrick]

no fuck off

Oops... my bad. No gear, no ACC... FUCK OFF. Is that better?

[Patrick]

What is 'protective gear'?

Herein lies the problem...

Helmet, gloves, boots (not jandals), padded jacket (not singlet) padded trou (not stubbies shorts...) that kind of thing...

[snuffles]

moron, a child dose not have the skills to access and judge the situation. A person who rides a motorbike can.

They are still your child at the age of 20..30..40, sorry if did not explain that at a level you could understand.

[Neon]

There's really only two ways this can work

1/ Private accident insurance, do whatever the fuck you want with respect to gear. Ride in your undies if you like, it's your body. High medical bills? Goodbye low premiums.

2/ ACC, ok the levies are probably lower but you accept a degree of prescription around what gear you must wear (again, a fucking minefield of standards). Theoretically ACC levies should go down :laugh:

I don't really have an appetite for either! :blink:

[Pascal]

don't care how stupid the person is, he is of the age where he must make the decision for himself.

You know, I was reading this thread and it can go two ways.

On the one hand, if somebody has actually read the road-code before getting their learners and actually read the road-code they should know you need protective gear. Common sense should tell them they need protective gear if they wish to avoid abrasion type of injuries, etc. The information was there and it seems this person has chosen not to act upon it, like a large percentage of the scooter riders. That's the riders' decision and he, in my opinion, makes a poor one. But his decision.

On the other hand, you're talking about a family member here. If I was doing something dumb, I'd bloody well ... wait. No. Let me rephrase that. When I am doing something dumb and appear oblivious to the fact I'd bloody well hope a family member would step in to warn me.

Yeah, he's ignored / forgotten something and made a poor decision; but somebody cared enough about him to actually go out there and speak to him about it. That seems like a good thing.

From a wider perspective, we live in a society / community. We have no choice, our day to day lives intersect with that of others. Riders without protective gear represents an increased risk. Net result for other bikers? Higher premiums for ACC. Higher insurance premiums. They affect other members of the community in a negative way.

Again, personal choice. But maybe one that is also made because of a lack of knowledge or forgotten knowledge and maybe a timely reminder from a friend / peer can help save a life and reduce the cost for the rest of us. Then you know he is aware of it whether he was or was not. You can't force him to make the choice, but you can help provide enough information that he can make it whilst fully informed.

Hopefully that all made sense.

[The Pastor]

Im all for personal responsability,stuff the cops giving me a ticket because im not wearing the approved helmet brand etc

if i bin and die its my fault no one elses.

But i'll still blame them

[snuffles]

Im all for personal responsability,stuff the cops giving me a ticket because im not wearing the approved helmet brand etc

if i bin and die its my fault no one elses.

But i'll still blame them

smacks of a darwinian wish!

[Patrick]

Im all for personal responsability,stuff the cops giving me a ticket because im not wearing the approved helmet brand etc

if i bin and die its my fault no one elses.

But i'll still blame them

Who said anything about tickets? Sheesh....

NO gear, no cover... pay the repair bill yourself, not from ACC....

[The Pastor]

who said anything about tickets? Sheesh....

No gear, no cover... Pay the repair bill yourself, not from acc....
how do you regulate helmets and seatbelts?

[Patrick]

how do you regulate helmets and seatbelts?

Was on more about the jandals, singlet and shorts thing. The gravel rash is a bastard with things like those....

[The Pastor]

Yes i know, but if you make something a regulation or law, you have to have tickets to go with it.

I hate people who don't know me trying to run my life. Some rules and laws are good - i.e., don't kill people, drugs, drink driving as they all effect other people.

Seat belts and helmets and gear do not effect others and should be 100% up to the person who it concerns.

The argument that ' why should i have to pay for this idiots actions' is flawed in the sense that with the tickets for not having the gear etc acc levies will not come down. Its that simple.

If you look at the statistics of fatal motorcyclist accidents before and after they made helmets compulsory you'd be surprised at the rise in fatal accidents.

[Squid]

R master.
Do you have a bike? Ever crashed? :eek5: Helmets are good as is protective gear.
Ever driven a car? In the event of a spin out or over the bank or whatever seatbelts are also good.

If I saw someone riding whout gear and I had the chance to talk to them Id ask them what the hell they where doing. If you cant afford gear you cant afford to ride sorry no excuse.

Good on you Snuffles :yes:

[The Pastor]

R master.
Do you have a bike? Ever crashed? :eek5: Helmets are good as is protective gear.
Ever driven a car? In the event of a spin out or over the bank or whatever seatbelts are also good.

If I saw someone riding whout gear and I had the chance to talk to them Id ask them what the hell they where doing. If you cant afford gear you cant afford to ride sorry no excuse.

Good on you Snuffles :yes:
yeah ive ridden and yes ive crashed more than once, in both bikes and cars at all speeds 100k,50k and inbetween.

I wear atgatt (i wear jeans on the commute to work tho), and i always tell people to do the same. but it is MY choice to wear atgatt as it is the riders choice not to.

im sick of the government telling people what to do when the people are MORE than capeable of doing this themselfs.

[Pascal]

I wear atgatt (i wear jeans on the commute to work tho), and i always tell people to do the same. but it is MY choice to wear atgatt as it is the riders choice not to.

im sick of the government telling people what to do when the people are MORE than capeable of doing this themselfs.

Ah, I have misunderstood the point you were making. I was under the impression you were speaking out against riders talking to other riders about lack of safety gear.

I definately do not want to the government involved in this. The less involvement they have in our lives the better!

[Ixion]

Remember, it's not ATGATT if it's not fluoro.

Compulsory hi-vis for everyone . :niceone:

After all , why should my ACC premiums go up because other people are too stupid to make themselves visible ?

What? You don't agree? But I thought you approved of telling other people what to do, in the interests of safety?

EDIT: Not you as in you, you as in the other you

[Squid]

.......im sick of the government telling people what to do when the people are MORE than capeable of doing this themselfs.

Hear hear! Yeah fair enough man.

Fluros might help your visabilty but it'd be much much safer to get the ppl who cant see so well off the roads.... and if you all tucked into the tank on the gixxa (or blade or kwaka or whatever you ride) you aint guna be seeing a whole lot of fluro anyways.
Plus one feels like a right dick wearing a fluro on the bike. :whistle:

[Ixion]

Ah. I see. So safety apparel should only be worn (or only be compulsory?) if it doesn't make you feel like a dick.

Now, I remember when I was young, to shut my mother up sometimes I had to wear a crash helmet. And everyone said that I looked like a dick for wearing it. Cos helmets do make you look like a dick. And no-one wore them, cos they didn't want to look like dicks. So, following your precept, I can be excused not wearing a helmet?

[SARGE]

would be a good skill to have alright

i'd never leave home

[Squid]

Ah. I see. So safety apparel should only be worn (or only be compulsory?) if it doesn't make you feel like a dick.

Now, I remember when I was young, to shut my mother up sometimes I had to wear a crash helmet. And everyone said that I looked like a dick for wearing it. Cos helmets do make you look like a dick. And no-one wore them, cos they didn't want to look like dicks. So, following your precept, I can be excused not wearing a helmet?

Didnt mean to bring your mother into this sorry dude.
If a fluro is going to protect me if I hit a tree or wall or cheesecutter please let me know.
I like the alignment of my skeleton in relation to the flesh surrounding it! :innocent:

[SARGE]

euuw... Just gets gorier and gorier as you scoll down! The mangled remnants of body parts near the end, wow...

yea.. But the last guy was wearing leathers and boots and a helmet and gloves and 3 layers of bubble wrap..

No way in hell you'll ever be hurt in full gear.. I call 'shopped..:baby::dodge:

[FJRider]

Would be a good skill to have alright

ONLY if you're gay... :shutup:

[Gubb]

Fuck's Sake.

Do you tell every fatty you see to put down the coke, chips and pies when you see them eating because they are increasing your tax dollarsgoing towards health? Or every smoker that they need to quit because your hard earned tax dollars are being spent on cancer treatments? Or anyone over-indulging in alcohol.

I could go on, but if you're not prepared to do the same for everyone else involved with the same principle, and they are complying with the law, keep it to yourself, feel free to think whatever the fuck you want, but I don't need to hear it again.

Also, I suggest a Pyre for your "black sheep".

[Patrick]

Seat belts and helmets and gear do not effect others

Wrong. It does. Why should I have to pick up pieces of brain from the road surface, because one chooses not to wear a helmet? Why should I have to tell the parents their kid aint coming home, ever, because they didn't wear a seatbelt? Why should the fireys and ambos deal with easily avoided shit like that...? It does affect others.....

The argument that ' why should i have to pay for this idiots actions' is flawed in the sense that with the tickets for not having the gear etc acc levies will not come down. Its that simple.

Says who? It hasn't been tried.....

If you look at the statistics of fatal motorcyclist accidents before and after they made helmets compulsory you'd be surprised at the rise in fatal accidents.

Which corresponds with the much more higher rise on vehicles on roads, and the feeble claims of "I didn't see them..." coz they were looking for cars instead....

[piston broke]

well, i'm guilty of speaking out.
a couple of weeks ago i had a go at my old man for riding to work wearing jandles, overalls and helmet.
when asked why,he reckons it takes too long to put on the cordura's, boots and gloves for a 5k ride each way twice a day.
waddaya do?after all he is mid 60's.
dunno if he has changed his idea's.his choice.

[Patrick]

Remember, it's not ATGATT if it's not fluoro.

Compulsory hi-vis for everyone . :niceone:

After all , why should my ACC premiums go up because other people are too stupid to make themselves visible ?

What? You don't agree? But I thought you approved of telling other people what to do, in the interests of safety?

EDIT: Not you as in you, you as in the other you

Fairy snuff... but if they can't see my high beam on, thery aint gonna see any day glow jacket behind that.....

[CookMySock]

If it was me I would tell them... then if something happened at least you could say they were warned and not feel as guilty if you had not warned them of the dangerssee, its always the person who didn't warn thems fault, not their own. :msn-wink:

Steve

[FJRider]

No way in hell you'll ever be hurt in full gear.. I call 'shopped..:baby::dodge:

and bullet proof vests make you bullet proof... ???

The more safety gear you wear, the more invinceable you feel...

[SARGE]

and bullet proof vests make you bullet proof... ???

The more safety gear you wear, the more invinceable you feel...

yea... But the irony....

[enigma51]

Its the riders choice to wear what ever he wants to, sure by all means tell him that you think he needs to be wrapped up in cotton wool, but at the end of the day its his choice. Deal with it.

Its not my choice to pay acc but its my choice to tell the dickhead he's a dickhead

[toycollector10]

Before compulsory helmet laws in some states in the USA the death rate amongst riders in the 1970's was, get this, five an hour.

Unbelievable but true. Reference: The Hurt report. The Status Report of Accident Investigation Data "Factors and Identification of Countermeasures" by the University of Southern California for the Traffic Safety Centre for the University of Blah blah blah..August 1979.

Forty years ago when I was 15 years old I rode without a helmet, gloves, or any gear at all.

Until one of the guys in the 5th form (I was a 3rd former) fronted me and changed my ways forever.

So I was just a stupid, invincibile, unthinking little twat. Some say I still am, but at least someone put their hand up on my behalf and I appreciated the lesson!

This debate about riding gear isn't even 20 or 40 years old, it's about 60 years old, and some people still want to quack on about their rights and etc.

I tell yer's, some people just won't learn because they know more than everyone else this decade, but not just in this decade, but the previous collective experience and sad outcomes of the last 5 or 6, like I just said!!

[The Pastor]

Remember, it's not ATGATT if it's not fluoro.

Compulsory hi-vis for everyone . :niceone:

After all , why should my ACC premiums go up because other people are too stupid to make themselves visible ?

What? You don't agree? But I thought you approved of telling other people what to do, in the interests of safety?

EDIT: Not you as in you, you as in the other you

My view on high vis jackets. They work if your the type of rider who rides sedately and stays in one position on the road and dont ride pre emptivly (not sure if thats the right word but you know ride as if every car is going to run you over)

but if you're (like me) the type of rider who lane splits and is 100% alert every time your on the bike thinking constantly along the lines of "theres a gap that car can get into, therefore it will without indicating and checking mirrors" while lane splitting at a relatively fast speed - never staying in one spot for the longest time etc then high vis are going to do jack shit. simply because car drivers look forwards and forwards only.

is the 2nd way of riding less safe than the first? Not sure, i have only ever had 1 close call and that was yesterday. never had cars pull out in front of me or do a u turn / maneuver that i wasn't already expecting.

And i commute 50km each day down the motorway.


Ah. I see. So safety apparel should only be worn (or only be compulsory?) if it doesn't make you feel like a dick.

Now, I remember when I was young, to shut my mother up sometimes I had to wear a crash helmet. And everyone said that I looked like a dick for wearing it. Cos helmets do make you look like a dick. And no-one wore them, cos they didn't want to look like dicks. So, following your precept, I can be excused not wearing a helmet?

yes you can, i'm sure you remember the days before helmets. has the helmet law reduced the number of deaths on the road? you'll find people are a lot more careful when they are riding without a helmet. I read on the internet (so it MUST be true....) that car drivers notice riders without helmets a lot more than those with lids on, something to do with realizing its a human on that bike


Wrong. It does. Why should I have to pick up pieces of brain from the road surface, because one chooses not to wear a helmet? Why should I have to tell the parents their kid aint coming home, ever, because they didn't wear a seatbelt? Why should the fireys and ambos deal with easily avoided shit like that...? It does affect others.....

wrong its your fucking job, suck it in and deal with it, if you cant deal with it, and do all of nz a favor and quit.

[toycollector10]

Hey renegade master, what do you do for a job?

Would you like to pick up brains, hair, teeth and eyeballs off the stone-chip seal or do you leave that up to people who have the balls to do it?

And would you do it? I don't think so.

[The Pastor]

Hey renegade master, what do you do for a job?

Would you like to pick up brains, hair, teeth and eyeballs off the stone-chip seal or do you leave that up to people who have the balls to do it?

And would you do it? I don't think so.
if i wanted to be cop or an ambo or fireman i would.

but i dont.

[toycollector10]

I've got a big ups to all the ambo staff, and like I have said, the guy or girl with the spinning blades that shaves the skin off the cadavers (dead people).
The skin then goes to the graft people who spend hours and hours attending to complete dickheads who ride around in jandals and shorts. Like I said, this debate is over 60 years old but people like renegade master know more than everyone else. Good luck mate, you'll need it. By the way, what do you do for a living? I'm sure it doesn't involve easily avoidable blood, guts and pain.

[Ixion]

Wrong. It does. Why should I have to pick up pieces of brain from the road surface, because one chooses not to wear a helmet? Why should I have to tell the parents their kid aint coming home, ever, because they didn't wear a seatbelt? Why should the fireys and ambos deal with easily avoided shit like that...? It does affect others.....


An unpleasant duty most certainly. But have you never had to perform a similar unwelcome office for car drivers? I have seen car drivers brain matter smeared over roadways, too. Head injury is one of the most common causes of death or serious injury in car crashes. Which arguably could be much reduced by car drivers wearing crash helmets (after all, racing drivers wear them). So do you berate the car drivers you see for not wearing a crash helmet? Do you wear one yourself when on duty? If not, do you not think that rather hypocritical?

As to "easily avoided shit": I am amazed at the folk who belabour this argument and do not accept its logical extension - the most effective way to avoid all such shit is to ban motorcycles. Sorted. Why should people be allowed to ride such patently unsafe devices , for which there is no practical need, and cost the taxpayer money for their hospital treatment.

You cannot take the "anyone who does not ATGATT is evil and a parasite" without accepting "anyone who rides a motorcycle is evil and a parasite'

Motorcycling IS dangerous. No amount of magic gear will EVER make it safe . If you cannot accept that , then sell the bike.

Everytime you ride out the driveway, Death hops on the pillion seat.

No one (including Mr RM , who does wear protectvie gear) is saying NOT to wear it. Merely that the hysterical screeching of the ATGATT mob is self defeating and illusionist. A denial of reality.

[samgab]

I've got a big ups to all the ambo staff, and like I have said, the guy or girl with the spinning blades that shaves the skin off the cadavers (dead people).
The skin then goes to the graft people who spend hours and hours attending to complete dickheads who ride around in jandals and shorts. Like I said, this debate is over 60 years old but people like renegade master know more than everyone else. Good luck mate, you'll need it. By the way, what do you do for a living? I'm sure it doesn't involve easily avoidable blood, guts and pain.

I appreciate your comments here, some good common sense.
But I had to donate my own live skin towards my skin grafts.
When I was 15 and even more stupid than I am now.
They got what looked like a glorified stainless steel potatoe peeler, and bit by bit scraped off about a square foot of skin from the back of my thigh. And not just the surface, they go REALLY DEEP, to the meat underneath.
The wound from that was almost as bad as the injuries they were patching up! Well, not really, but it sure bled a heck of a lot and for a few weeks.
Still have the scars from it now, 16 years down the track. :(

[Patrick]

wrong its your fucking job, suck it in and deal with it, if you cant deal with it, and do all of nz a favor and quit.

Meh... I can delegate.

All of NZ a favour and quit? :lol:

You're Finns dog, aincha?

[cs363]

Before compulsory helmet laws in some states in the USA the death rate amongst riders in the 1970's was, get this, five an hour.

Unbelievable but true. Reference: The Hurt report. The Status Report of Accident Investigation Data "Factors and Identification of Countermeasures" by the University of Southern California for the Traffic Safety Centre for the University of Blah blah blah..August 1979.



If the above is true it makes the increase quoted here VERY scary!

http://www.abateonline.org/ABATE.aspx?PID=125

[The Pastor]

5 deaths an hour are you taking the piss?

5 deaths an hour = 43680 deaths a year. which would be a large % of the total bikers in the usa.

[Bass]

5 deaths an hour are you taking the piss?

5 deaths an hour = 43680 deaths a year. which would be a large % of the total bikers in the usa.

I make it 43,800.
Where did you hide the other 120?
You've been reading too much Terry Pratchett and gave Death a day off, didn't you?

[The Pastor]

I make it 43,800.
Where did you hide the other 120?
You've been reading too much Terry Pratchett and gave Death a day off, didn't you?
5 x 24 x 7 x 52 = 43680?

[3umph]

5 x 24 x 365 = 43800

leap year = 43920


but i suppose with the amount of people in the US that f all of a percentage

[samgab]

5 x 24 x 7 x 52 = 43680?

Nope, not exactly.
5 * 24 * 365

[snuffles]

5 x 24 x 7 x 52 = 43680?

Are you a cock all of the time, or did you take special lessons?

No ...really I want to know......... I feel you could teach me a thing or two...
:doh:

[Bass]

5 x 24 x 7 x 52 = 43680?


Hmmmmm.........................
I see you have discovered that a year is not EXACTLY 52 weeks. You know...... some public holidays on different days of the week each year.
Bugger, eh?
Your point about the 5 per hour is still a good one however.

[Squid]

Awesome, come back to have a look at the thread and now we're killing people with numbers.

Whats the death rate down to now that helmets are ment to be worn?

[The Pastor]

so my math isnt good, deal with it.

[prettybillie]

I think we all have a number of dickheads in our families. We shouldn't be embarressed .. .we should embrace them and kick their arses appropriately!! :angry2:

You can choose your friends, but not your family. However you don't have to admit you are related to any of them....Get a nose job and your boobs done and you won't even look like them :woohoo: