New Green Party co-leader

[Indiana_Jones]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10558201

"Green Party co-leader Jeanette Fitzsimons today confirmed she will stand down in June.

She told reporters she looked forward to being an active backbencher, and it was time to pass the leadership on to the younger generation.

Ms Fitzsimons has led the Greens since 1995.

She entered Parliament with former co-leader Rod Donald in 1996, and had expected to retire before last year's election.

She agreed to stay on after Mr Donald, 48, died suddenly in 2005 of viral myocarditis.

Russel Norman has now been her co-leader for nearly three years.

Party rules dictate the co-leaders must be a man and a woman, and MPs Sue Bradford and Meteria Turei today confirmed they would seek the candidacy when it opened next month.

The new co-leader would be appointed at the Green Party annual meeting on May 30-June 1."


One hopes Sue Bradford doesn't get any more power, fucking dyke bitch.

But also if she gets the leadership it'll probably do more harm then good for the knobs.

-Indy

[Finn]

Who cares. They're not in Government anyway.

Dirty disgusting people.

[Indiana_Jones]

Who cares. They're not in Government anyway.

Dirty disgusting people.

Yea, but governments change and what not. They've held some small power before.

Even a seat in parliament is too much power for them.

-Indy

[klingon]

Dirty disgusting people.


fucking dyke bitch.


:rofl::rofl: You two are just soooo funny! And SO ignorant! But never mind, please just carry on in your usual ill-informed name calling manner. Whatever makes you feel good.

[Indiana_Jones]

:rofl::rofl: You two are just soooo funny! And SO ignorant! But never mind, please just carry on in your usual ill-informed name calling manner. Whatever makes you feel good.

We wouldn't have to if they just bathed once in a while lol

-Indy

[oldrider]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10558201

"Green Party co-leader Jeanette Fitzsimons today confirmed she will stand down in June.

She told reporters she looked forward to being an active backbencher, and it was time to pass the leadership on to the younger generation.

Ms Fitzsimons has led the Greens since 1995.

She entered Parliament with former co-leader Rod Donald in 1996, and had expected to retire before last year's election.

She agreed to stay on after Mr Donald, 48, died suddenly in 2005 of viral myocarditis.

Russel Norman has now been her co-leader for nearly three years.

Party rules dictate the co-leaders must be a man and a woman, and MPs Sue Bradford and Meteria Turei today confirmed they would seek the candidacy when it opened next month.

The new co-leader would be appointed at the Green Party annual meeting on May 30-June 1."


One hopes Sue Bradford doesn't get any more power, fucking dyke bitch.

But also if she gets the leadership it'll probably do more harm then good for the knobs.

-Indy

C'mon Indie, some things are best just being left un-said. :sick: John.

[Ixion]

I wonder if the days of the Green party are on the wane?

What with the sobering effects of global recession and all, and they don't seem so fashionable nowadays.

Indeed it could be argued that of recent years the Green party has been less concerned with actual eco-issues than with general loony left social engineering.

[Indiana_Jones]

I wonder if the days of the Green party are on the wane?

What with the sobering effects of global recession and all, and they don't seem so fashionable nowadays.

Indeed it could be argued that of recent years the Green party has been less concerned with actual eco-issues than with general loony left social engineering.

But telling parents not to even think about deciplining their child and lowering the voting age to 16 must surely help the environment?

-Indy

[Pussy]

Who cares. They're not in Government anyway.

Dirty disgusting people.
Best way to get Jeanette Fitzsimons out of the shower? Turn on the tap

[Swoop]

The green party needs a good dose of Roundup.

Undiluted... of course.:shifty:

[Mully]

Much as I dislike the Greens, I think this is smart politics. It give the new face time to distance themselves from the "extremist" policies of the past "leadership" before the next election.

In fact, I suggested that Helen needed to step down just as Key came to lead National. Same reason.

How wanky is it that having co-leaders is in their party rules? And that they must be opposite sexes? Talk about Politically Correct to the max.

Of course, if they elect Bradford, that'll probably be the end of them.

[puddytat]

God youre a bunch of fuckin rednecks, selfish, ignorant ,holier than thou, head in the sand wankers.....:yawn:
i imlpy this in the most respectful,politically correct way of course:msn-wink:

[klingon]

I wonder if the days of the Green party are on the wane?

What with the sobering effects of global recession and all, and they don't seem so fashionable nowadays.

Indeed it could be argued that of recent years the Green party has been less concerned with actual eco-issues than with general loony left social engineering.

Interesting questions, Ixion. I would have thought that with the sobering effects of a global recession, more people might have realised that promoting unbridalled consumption was a mistake (as the former head of the US Federal Reserve has said) and that now might be a good time to adopt a more resilient economy based on long-term thinking.

Many issues that have been seen as radical in the recent past have been adopted as mainstream again (as they were in our grandparents' day). Buying produce at the farm gate or growing our own food, reducing waste and re-using or recycling have all become very fashionable (again) and families are saving money as a result.

As for the eco-issues vs social issues, the Greens (and before them the Values Party) have always been based on the four principles of ecology, social justice, non-violence and democracy. Personally I wouldn't be remotely interested in a single issue party. If they tried to make an artifical division between the natural environment and the social environment I would say they were very naive. I think they are doing the right thing by being just as interested in the welfare of humans as the welfare of trees and dolphins!

[Max Preload]

How wanky is it that having co-leaders is in their party rules? And that they must be opposite sexes? Talk about Politically Correct to the max.

I agree. It shows how pathetic and indecisive they are.

[Hitcher]

If the Green Party had any credibility left after their pre-election antics, it was torched completely when they voted en masse last week to retain the dreaded Electoral Finance Act -- the only nine people on the planet who still supported it.

The Greens are a political irrelevance. They're little more than a bunch of hysterical spoilers and wowsers who don't know how to have fun and are hell bent on ensuring that nobody else has fun either.

[Mully]

If the Green Party had any credibility left after their pre-election antics, it was torched completely when they voted en masse last week to retain the dreaded Electoral Finance Act -- the only nine people on the planet who still supported it.

I did notice this. Did anybody else note with amusement that Labour dropped their support for it as soon as it was no use to them?
Curious-er and curious-er

[Indiana_Jones]

I think they need to put the bong down and drift back down to Earth with the rest of us :p

-Indy

[oldrider]

Compost the greens! :soon: :shifty: John.

[Max Preload]

I did notice this. Did anybody else note with amusement that Labour dropped their support for it as soon as it was no use to them?

Or they're no longer under Helen's thumb, but in reality probably a combination of both.

[puddytat]

:doobey::doobey::doobey::blip:

[Skyryder]

Don't underestimate Bradford. She may not appear too bright up front but remember she did get her so called 'anti smacking' bill into law in front of considerable opposition.

She is a street fighter and comes from that background with a proven track record.

Have not seen much of her to date but if she does become co-leader expect her to give both Key and Douglas a hot poker up the arse.


Skyryder

[Mental Trousers]

:rofl::rofl: You two are just soooo funny! And SO ignorant! But never mind, please just carry on in your usual ill-informed name calling manner. Whatever makes you feel good.
Sorry young lady, but there's nothing good about Sue Bradford polluting our air while stealing our oxygen.

[firefighter]

If the Green Party had any credibility left after their pre-election antics, it was torched completely when they voted en masse last week to retain the dreaded Electoral Finance Act -- the only nine people on the planet who still supported it.

The Greens are a political irrelevance. They're little more than a bunch of hysterical spoilers and wowsers who don't know how to have fun and are hell bent on ensuring that nobody else has fun either.

Agreed, in fact global warming is one of the biggest cash-cows of our time, IMO it's a farce, but that's not the issue at hand.


Sorry young lady, but there's nothing good about Sue Bradford polluting our air while stealing our oxygen.

Lol, yes, if that revolting, filthy, disgusting moley pile of filth becomes a co-leader I will not be impressed....

I think there should be a dress standard for MPs, they bloody get paid enough to look the part, could you imagine what would happen if I (or you reading this) turned up to work dressed like sue? I was charged for not shaving in the NZDF, and earning a massive $26000 gross.....puts things in perspective does'nt it? And I was hardly representing N.Z.....

[Skyryder]

I was charged for not shaving in the NZDF, and earning a massive $26000 gross.....puts things in perspective does'nt it? And I was hardly representing N.Z.....

Somhowe I have posted this twice could this one be deleted by a mod. thanks

[Skyryder]

I was charged for not shaving in the NZDF, and earning a massive $26000 gross.....puts things in perspective does'nt it? And I was hardly representing N.Z.....

When you signed up for with the military you signed away your civiilan rights to look and dress as you pleased.

As for representing NZ that's a 'sticky' one. I would argue that you would have been as a member of the NZDF but I am open to persuasion on this.

Skyryder

[klingon]

Oooh yes, let's choose who should run the country based on their wardrobe! Has anyone seen Simon Power recently (for that matter has anyone seen him ever?) The next time he shows up in his pale blue checked shirt and striped orange tie, I think I'll scream! :doh:

Actually I loved the white blouse Metiria Turei was wearing on the TV news this evening. She should get the job just because of her blouse. Or she could just give it to me (the blouse, not the job).

[Ixion]

Worked for Winston Peters.

[Indiana_Jones]

People might take the greens more seriously if they had policies like blaming the Jews

-Indy

[Brian d marge]

Don't underestimate Bradford. She may not appear too bright up front but remember she did get her so called 'anti smacking' bill into law in front of considerable opposition.

She is a street fighter and comes from that background with a proven track record.

Have not seen much of her to date but if she does become co-leader expect her to give both Key and Douglas a hot poker up the arse.


Skyryder

have to agree with you on that one ...Bradford ,,, hmmm not a good idea at all


Stephen

[idb]

I like hairy legs!

[Hinny]

God youre a bunch of fuckin rednecks, selfish, ignorant ,holier than thou, head in the sand wankers.....:yawn:
i imlpy this in the most respectful,politically correct way of course:msn-wink:

It's usually the conservative plonkers that are in to name calling.

[spudchucka]

Indeed it could be argued that of recent years the Green party has been less concerned with actual eco-issues than with general loony left social engineering.

That's because the Greens, (world wide) are a bunch of watermelons, green on the outside but red on the inside.

[tri boy]

Only Nandor was worth anything.
Any pollie that can still ride a skateboard is ok with me.
Parekura Horror Meh should give it a go.:rofl:
Seeing that tub of pork n puha falling flat on his whale sized arse would be classic.
Still waiting for him to make good on his FIRST promise to the nation.
"I will lose weight to be a good role model to my Hapu/Whanau/Maori Nation".
Tui x 1000

[Tank]

It would be interesting to see someone take the party to the Human rights council.

"Here I am - wanting to apply for the head of the party - yet the party have in advance said that the only person appointed to the role will be a woman"

Disgusting discrimination at its best - They have actually enshrined discrimination in their party rules.

If I didnt think they were such a laughing stock I'd apply just lay the complaint.

But I would die if anyone actually thought I supported those hairy armpitted, spineless, hypocritical, filthy, dirty, gutless, left wing, fruitcake, fuckwit, incompetent, labour tit suckling idiots.

[MisterD]

I think Bradford is just the woman to take them where they need to go...down in the polls and out of parliament. :niceone:

[Indiana_Jones]

I think Bradford is just the woman to take them where they need to go...down in the polls and out of parliament. :niceone:

Pretty much aye.

You'd think the greens would of dump the ugly bitch by now, she has cost them a lot of support already

-Indy

[Finn]

I think Bradford is just the woman to take them where they need to go...down in the polls and out of parliament. :niceone:

This is true however, I've just upgraded my TV to HiDef. Of the humanity!

[Indiana_Jones]

This is true however, I've just upgraded my TV to HiDef. Of the humanity!

Can you see each and every chin hair? lol :clap:

-Indy

[Swoop]

She is a street fighter...
It appears she has gone a few rounds with Mike Tyson... and lost, by the look/s of it.:blip:

[klingon]

Only Nandor was worth anything.
Any pollie that can still ride a skateboard is ok with me.
...

He uses his skateboard for short distances and his motorbike for longer distances. I wonder if he is (was) the coolest politician in the whole world (before Mr Obama of course).

[Finn]

I'm sorry, but who the fuck is this?

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'm sorry, but who the fuck is this?

Its two different wimmin.

the one on the left is Sue Bradford. SHe has been made over. But she is still the same lefty nutjob radical she always was.

The other is Meteria Turei. She is a lunatic lesbian Maaari separatist nutjob.

theyve both got mad staring eyes and are not to be trusted.

[HenryDorsetCase]

It would be interesting to see someone take the party to the Human rights council.

"Here I am - wanting to apply for the head of the party - yet the party have in advance said that the only person appointed to the role will be a woman"

Disgusting discrimination at its best - They have actually enshrined discrimination in their party rules.

If I didnt think they were such a laughing stock I'd apply just lay the complaint.

But I would die if anyone actually thought I supported those hairy armpitted, spineless, hypocritical, filthy, dirty, gutless, left wing, fruitcake, fuckwit, incompetent, labour tit suckling idiots.

enough shilly shallying, you'd think you were in Parliament: What do you REALLY think? :0

[Brian d marge]

They can do wonders with make up ...Id even tap the first one ... but the rug muncher would do me head in ,,, :shutup:

On a lighter note ...I see National is sticking to form....rich get richer , you and I bend over ....

Thanks fellas

Stephen

[Tank]

On a lighter note ...I see National is sticking to form....rich get richer , you and I bend over ....


Seems that you are in the manority of people with a negative view of National at the moment.

From Kiwi blogs analysis of the TV3 Poll:

TV3 poll just out:
• National 60%
• Labour 27%
• Greens 7%

TV3 have never ever had a party so high before - it is unprecedented in recent decades. And remember this is the poll Labour claims is the most accurate. Now of course there is a honeymoon period, but this is like having a honeymoon with Angelia Jolie instead of Rosie O’Donnell.
A Parliament on this poll would have the Government with 80 seats and the Opposition with just 43.

Phil Goff refused to be interviewed for TV3 about the poll - something no other leader has done in the past decade. But here’s why - Preferred PM:
• John Key 52%
• Helen Clark 14%
• Phil Goff 4%

Key is obviously having a honeymoon also, but it is a stronger honeymoon than any other Prime Minister has ever had. 64% rate his performance as strong and only 4% as weak! Considering the deep economic crisis we are in, that is astonishing.

His personal attributes have also shot up - 85% now rate Key as a capable leader.

[RantyDave]

Key is obviously having a honeymoon also, but it is a stronger honeymoon than any other Prime Minister has ever had. 64% rate his performance as strong and only 4% as weak!
John Key just listened when a bunch of people who knew what they were talking about told him a law was unworkable, retarded and wrong.

As for the green party? Fucked. It is about to pass from the hands of those who want to build something great into the hands of those who want to be in charge. On the other hand, if Ms Turei gets the gig we are in for a fun time at her expense:

"Metiria was elected to Parliament in 2002 after a colourful career spanning resource management law, anarcho-feminist performance, political internship with the ALCP and the McGillicuddies and unemployed rights activism."

That's their website (http://www.greens.org.nz/people/metiriaturei) - the most positive spin they could put on this silly bint's career. Surely the kind of woman to lead New Zealand in the 21st century.

Dave

Edit: Oh, and she's their spokesman on ICT. Right.

[Skyryder]

That's because the Greens, (world wide) are a bunch of watermelons, green on the outside but red on the inside.


Just what ya need on hot day and after long ride:niceone:. A nice juicy greenie. :clap:

Skyryder

[Tank]

John Key just listened when a bunch of people who knew what they were talking about told him a law was unworkable, retarded and wrong.



He has dont a lot more than just that since being in power.

[Finn]

It would be interesting to see someone take the party to the Human rights council.

"Here I am - wanting to apply for the head of the party - yet the party have in advance said that the only person appointed to the role will be a woman"


It will never stack up in court. I mean by any stretch of the imagination is Sue Bradford a woman.

Try Animal Rights.

[Skyryder]

John Key just listened when a bunch of people who knew what they were talking about told him a law was unworkable, retarded and wrong.

As for the green party? Fucked. It is about to pass from the hands of those who want to build something great into the hands of those who want to be in charge. On the other hand, if Ms Turei gets the gig we are in for a fun time at her expense:

"Metiria was elected to Parliament in 2002 after a colourful career spanning resource management law, anarcho-feminist performance, political internship with the ALCP and the McGillicuddies and unemployed rights activism."

That's their website (http://www.greens.org.nz/people/metiriaturei) - the most positive spin they could put on this silly bint's career. Surely the kind of woman to lead New Zealand in the 21st century.

Dave

Edit: Oh, and she's their spokesman on ICT. Right.

I knows little about Turei but if Bradford wins the slot the Greens will go further left than Labour. Turei may be of much the same mould but on her I don't know. There is at the moment no party other than the Progressives who are to the left of Labour. With Anderton in his later years in Parliment it would make polictical sense for the Greens to position themselves to pick up Progressive voters who most will not vote for Labour under any circumstances.

While there are not many who vote Progressive there are a solid core of left wing voters who do not have a political party since Labour moved into Rogernomics.

Bradford may not be telegenic but she is an organiser of no mean ability.

I'm no fan of the Greens but I will give any politician credit where it is due and slag her at will..........but she makes the laws. From her background, to that, is no mean feat in itself.

Skyryder

[firefighter]

When you signed up for with the military you signed away your civiilan rights to look and dress as you pleased.

As for representing NZ that's a 'sticky' one. I would argue that you would have been as a member of the NZDF but I am open to persuasion on this.

Skyryder

Yes I did, that is not really my point though.....my point is that I believe that a politician should dress as a politician.... not as a teenager just dragged out of bed......
yes NZDF staff do represent N.Z....and it's staff are required to be groomed accordingly.....

Oh, and yes, I have been a member of two of the services....I don't however feel I need to prove that to you though....lets just say i've put in my yards.

[Skyryder]

Yes I did, that is not really my point though.....my point is that I believe that a politician should dress as a politician.... not as a teenager just dragged out of bed......
yes NZDF staff do represent N.Z....and it's staff are required to be groomed accordingly.....

Oh, and yes, I have been a member of two of the services....I don't however feel I need to prove that to you though....lets just say i've put in my yards.


On of the things that impresses me the most is not how a person dresses or for that matter look, but how they act. I've seen bikers act with more decorum than some buisness people. While we all, to some extent judge people on apprearence, as you get to know them be it personlly or through the media it's not how they look but what they say and do.

It was you who suggested the analogy as an ex member of the NZDF between yourself and Bradford.

So just how you have come to the conclusion that you don't feel the need to prove to me that you have been a member of two services I have no idea. But the fact that you have said that you have put in 'the hard yards' suggests to me that you do........otherwise why mention it??

Skyryder

[Brian d marge]

Seems that you are in the manority of people with a negative view of National at the moment.

From Kiwi blogs analysis of the TV3 Poll:

TV3 poll just out:
• National 60%
• Labour 27%
• Greens 7%

TV3 have never ever had a party so high before - it is unprecedented in recent decades. And remember this is the poll Labour claims is the most accurate. Now of course there is a honeymoon period, but this is like having a honeymoon with Angelia Jolie instead of Rosie O’Donnell.
A Parliament on this poll would have the Government with 80 seats and the Opposition with just 43.

Phil Goff refused to be interviewed for TV3 about the poll - something no other leader has done in the past decade. But here’s why - Preferred PM:
• John Key 52%
• Helen Clark 14%
• Phil Goff 4%

Key is obviously having a honeymoon also, but it is a stronger honeymoon than any other Prime Minister has ever had. 64% rate his performance as strong and only 4% as weak! Considering the deep economic crisis we are in, that is astonishing.

His personal attributes have also shot up - 85% now rate Key as a capable leader.

but thats like asking people who like chocolate , are they happy with chocolate ......

the answers yes ...

but behind the scenes :

student loan interest rate is going up a tad

A report has been released that under the proposed new tax cuts , the working family will be worse off ( heard that on national radio today so not sure of details yet)

Equal pay in the state sector has been shitcanned

Brownlee is meddling with the electricity because of a report by the business rountable ( under a new name )

the internet bill has been delayed not scrapped

DNA , can be taken from those who the police intend to charge ( 1st reading , Simon Powell has been busy )


Got that tub of lard ready ,,,,its GONNA hurt ........:eek5:


Still they seem to be serious on crime ,,,, that's a plus


Stephen

[klingon]

... "Metiria was elected to Parliament in 2002 after a colourful career spanning resource management law, anarcho-feminist performance, political internship with the ALCP and the McGillicuddies and unemployed rights activism."...

It's all true.


... Metiria was a founding member of the Random Trollops performance art troupe. Like fellow Green MP Nandor Tanczos, she was a candidate for the McGillicuddy Serious Party in the 1993 election and for the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party in the 1996 election. When she was elected, Metiria left her job as a corporate lawyer for Simpson Grierson to become a Member of Parliament..

Let's just remember that:

a) Before the MMP electoral reforms there was really no point in standing for anything other than National or Labour. Which is precisely why the McGillicuddies were formed - to draw attention to how ridiculous the system was.

b) The average IQ of the group calling themselves the Random Trollops is likely to be about double the average IQ of the group calling themselves Kiwi Biker.

c) Somehow Metiria Turei had time to do all the things listed while studying law and raising her kids (yes she's married with kids).

Sounds like Superwoman to me! I wish I had half her energy!

[spudchucka]

From her background, to that, is no mean feat in itself.

Skyryder

Nobody has even ever voted for her, she just got there riding on the shirt tails of others, which sort of makes her the ultimate beneficiary.

[klingon]

Nobody has even ever voted for her, she just got there riding on the shirt tails of others, which sort of makes her the ultimate beneficiary.

We have a proportional representation system. That means each party gets a number of MPs based on the proportion of people who voted for that party. Party lists are announced way before an election, so people who vote for a party know exactly who they're voting for.

[Skyryder]

Nobody has even ever voted for her, she just got there riding on the shirt tails of others, which sort of makes her the ultimate beneficiary.

You sort of miss the point. Bradford was voted to stand on the party list so some must have voted for her. The party accords list ranking on those members who decide to stand on who the party thinks will be the most effective in Parliment and by default the general population vote on that basis be they aware of this or not. In comparison to Key Bradford does not compare, as far as the public is concerned or anywhere near. But then Bradford has not been caught out lying to the NZ public has Key has so I ask you who would you trust the most, not the policies but trust of the person. For me the answer is simple. Those that lie and get caught are not to be trusted. Ask any copper.

Skyryder

[Marmoot]

I wonder if the days of the Green party are on the wane?

What with the sobering effects of global recession and all, and they don't seem so fashionable nowadays.

Indeed it could be argued that of recent years the Green party has been less concerned with actual eco-issues than with general loony left social engineering.

You're kidding yourself. The general population has the combined memory that fits into an early model USB stick.

[Pixie]

I wonder if the days of the Green party are on the wane?

.

If it is (and I live in hope ) they'll probably blame the wane on global warming.

[spudchucka]

We have a proportional representation system. That means each party gets a number of MPs based on the proportion of people who voted for that party. Party lists are announced way before an election, so people who vote for a party know exactly who they're voting for.

The fact that the Green party puts such whackos on their list indicates the general nature of those they are wanting to get to vote for them.

Example: Pot smokers, disaffected youth, life time beneficiaries, hippies, extreme feminists, communists, limp wristed hand wringing socialists, professional protesters and the occasional genuine environmentalist just to keep the face of the organisation from showing its true colours.

[MisterD]

A report has been released that under the proposed new tax cuts , the working family will be worse off ( heard that on national radio today so not sure of details yet)


The pinkos over at the Stranded (no, I'm not going to link to it) are spinning the heck out of this...

The real "story" is that people on $40k with kids are $250 worse off than they would have been under the planned Liarbour policy...I believe they're still better off than they were, and since we know that by now "Dr" Sullen would have used the economic crisis as a pretext to cancel any tax cuts it's kind of a moot point.

[Brian d marge]

The pinkos over at the Stranded (no, I'm not going to link to it) are spinning the heck out of this...
.
thats true ...its quite hard to find the real truth ...I read the Hanzard ...and the select commitee reports ,,,but even then ,,,

Still , if long hours and a unaffordable mortgage appeals ... Carry on ....

Stephen

[klingon]

The fact that the Green party puts such whackos on their list indicates the general nature of those they are wanting to get to vote for them.

Example: Pot smokers, disaffected youth, life time beneficiaries, hippies, extreme feminists, communists, limp wristed hand wringing socialists, professional protesters...

Other examples: Diplomats, business owners, lawyers, scientists, farmers, sports people, designers, university lecturers, parents, assorted professionals.


...and the occasional genuine environmentalist just to keep the face of the organisation from showing its true colours.

You must have missed my post where I pointed out that the global Green charter specifies four equal values: environmentalism, social justice, democracy and non-violence.

http://www.globalgreens.org/globalcharter

If you want an environmental-only organisation, try Forest & Bird or similar. A political party is not the place for single issues.

[Indiana_Jones]

non-violence.

Violence fixes everything!

Which reminds me of another point everyone shouldn't vote green party.

They want to ban Semi-Auto guns for private use.

They can fuck off.

FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!

....Should get a semi-auto sometime though lol

-Indy

[MisterD]

They want to ban anything that gives other people pleasure

Fixxored for you...

[Indiana_Jones]

Fixxored for you...

ah thanks!

-Indy

[firefighter]

On of the things that impresses me the most is not how a person dresses or for that matter look, but how they act. I've seen bikers act with more decorum than some buisness people. While we all, to some extent judge people on apprearence, as you get to know them be it personlly or through the media it's not how they look but what they say and do.

It was you who suggested the analogy as an ex member of the NZDF between yourself and Bradford.

So just how you have come to the conclusion that you don't feel the need to prove to me that you have been a member of two services I have no idea. But the fact that you have said that you have put in 'the hard yards' suggests to me that you do........otherwise why mention it??

Skyryder

Your going to miss/duck/dive out of the way of my point no matter how I put it....so i'll save my time.

oh, and by the way, I wrote that iv'e "put in my yards"......and I wrote that so if you are currently serving or have served you'd know what I was meaning, had you been in either category it would have been 'nuff said.
That's why I mentioned it.

Fucken hell. :weird:

[Skyryder]

Other examples: Diplomats, business owners, lawyers, scientists, farmers, sports people, designers, university lecturers, parents, assorted professionals.

And look what happened when a cop got in to Parliment. Got tossed out of the Nats and joined Winstones lot. Never made the grade there either. :spanking:


Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Your going to miss/duck/dive out of the way of my point no matter how I put it....so i'll save my time.

What point is that? That like you, we should all judge people by the way they look? Start spouting that bullshit at your next biker rally and you'll be walking home.


Skyryder

[candor]

Be careful, stuck with this most challenging of all political questions this era, they may look to the KB poll for guidance about who shall entertain us.

We know the Bradshaws ins and outs, met her in a select committee room once and she wasn't foaming at the mouth as expected, actually spoke sanely. Turei however has an air of mystery. The only resume I could find said she stands for the grass-roots, open to interpretation that. The party is probably anti competition/failure so may have 3 leaders if it can't be resolved.

[puddytat]

b) The average IQ of the group calling themselves the Random Trollops is likely to be about double the average IQ of the group calling themselves Kiwi Biker.
:kick::killingme

The fact that the Green party puts such whackos on their list indicates the general nature of those they are wanting to get to vote for them.

Example: Pot smokers, disaffected youth, life time beneficiaries, hippies, extreme feminists, communists, limp wristed hand wringing socialists, professional protesters and the occasional genuine environmentalist just to keep the face of the organisation from showing its true colours.

:yawn:

[Brian d marge]

Be careful, stuck with this most challenging of all political questions this era, they may look to the KB poll for guidance about who shall entertain us.

We know the Bradfordss ins and outs, met her in a select committee room once and she wasn't foaming at the mouth as expected, actually spoke sanely. Turei however has an air of mystery. The only resume I could find said she stands for the grass-roots, open to interpretation that. The party is probably anti competition/failure so may have 3 leaders if it can't be resolved.

one off the methods you can use ( to determine the shoe tying ability ) is how the speaker uses the English language ( assuming its his /her first language ) ..... Bradford's is,,,,,,,,,,,,,, well ...........I still am not sure what Chups are ? ...I saw her once face off against ,,the other brain of the century ,,,Mary Lambie ( who surprise surprise is married to Jim Mora ?? who hosts afternoons on National radfio) ...... well Bradford stormed out ...after throwuing toys out off cot during the break .....

No sitr , Sock puppet and I both agree that Bradford will be bad for country ,,,, So in the name of nationalism ..I have sent some rechargable batteries to Parliment , in the hope that they will keep Bradford amused ..

Stephen

[MisterD]

Holy dim bitch, Batman...Bradford's take on Economics is we're all doomed (http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/02/were_all_doomed.html)



You should have seen the faces in the audience at Backbenches last night, when Wallace Chapman asked the panel how bad they thought the current recession would be.

Sue answered that she thought it would be worse than the Great Depression of the 1930s, and further that it would last for the rest of her lifetime!

[davereid]

As for the eco-issues vs social issues, the Greens... have always been based on the four principles of ecology, social justice, non-violence and democracy.

Haha... they don't understand ecology and cause and effect, particularly with regard to energy.

They love violence - thats what the "ban" word means - use the governments monopoly on violence to stop someone else doing something.

Social justice ? You mean lots of ways to get a benefit.
Sue Bradford once said "working for the dole is like getting periodic detention for being unemployed"

This shows she equates work with punishment. Fortunately the rest of us see it as an opportunity ! Mind you, if "working for the dole is like periodic detention for not having a job", Income tax is like being fined for having one !

Democracy ? Democracy actually occurs when there are three boys in the playground, and two of them vote thats is OK to beat the third one up and take his lunch. Thats the green approach - as long as we have a majority we can take / limit / restrict / appropriate other peoples resources as we see fit.

On the bright side, the starving don't do a survey of the number of fish left in the pond before they eat one. As the recession bites, green ideas will become less fashionable.

I guess the "social justice" will be popular, so I'm going to eat my lunch now, before the greens decide that there is someone more deserving who should eat it.

[Indiana_Jones]

Dw, she'll fix it.

but fuck that, what about my firearm rights!?!!

-Indy

[RantyDave]

b) The average IQ of the group calling themselves the Random Trollops is likely to be about double the average IQ of the group calling themselves Kiwi Biker.
Sadly I can't bring myself to disagree.

c) Somehow Metiria Turei had time to do all the things listed while studying law and raising her kids (yes she's married with kids).
Thanks Dad? Still, you have managed to embody me with a slight layer of respect...

Dave

[firefighter]

What point is that? That like you, we should all judge people by the way they look? Start spouting that bullshit at your next biker rally and you'll be walking home.


Skyryder

Your obviously just trying to pick an argument where it is'nt welcome, however since you obviously need me to, I will dumb it down for you....

Your appearance, IN A PROFFESSIONAL ATMOUSPHERE, reflects your pride in yourself, your job, and what your job stands for.....
If I went to a corporate function, and everyone was dressed like a bag of shit, I would seriously wonder how professional they really were, remember politicians are at this level, NOT THE LEVEL OF A FUCKEN BIKER RALLY.

I never said that people should be judged on appearance, politicains/corporates, of course they are, and why the fuck would I walk around a biker rally saying that? :mellow:

What I was implying, as a whole, is that a politician, should dress to an appropriate standard, as they are representing N.Z at a corporate level.
You don't see politicians overseas dressing like mr sue bradford.

Taking some pride in your appearance at this level IS important, dressing like shit (remember at their level) shows me a lack of respect, pride, and professionalism, not traits I like to see in N.Z government.

Oh yeah, don't just pick shit out of this and modify it to raise a new rediculous argument.....ie"What point is that? That like you, we should all judge people by the way they look? Start spouting that bullshit at your next biker rally and you'll be walking home" ......Posts iv'e read of your before made me think you were smarter than this.:wacko:

[MisterD]

What I was implying, as a whole, is that a politician, should dress to an appropriate standard, as they are representing N.Z at a corporate level.

This is one of the biggest problems I had with our previous (Dear) Leader - I'm sure it's bad luck to mention her name so I won't - I remember watching the footage of the Thailand FTA signing on TV, there was the Thai PM and there was someone who looked like a cleaning lady who had walked through the wrong door whilst looking for the mop cupboard...

[Skyryder]

Your obviously just trying to pick an argument where it is'nt welcome, however since you obviously need me to, I will dumb it down for you....

Your appearance, IN A PROFFESSIONAL ATMOUSPHERE, reflects your pride in yourself, your job, and what your job stands for.....
If I went to a corporate function, and everyone was dressed like a bag of shit, I would seriously wonder how professional they really were, remember politicians are at this level, NOT THE LEVEL OF A FUCKEN BIKER RALLY.

I never said that people should be judged on appearance, politicains/corporates, of course they are, and why the fuck would I walk around a biker rally saying that? :mellow:

What I was implying, as a whole, is that a politician, should dress to an appropriate standard, as they are representing N.Z at a corporate level.
You don't see politicians overseas dressing like mr sue bradford.

Taking some pride in your appearance at this level IS important, dressing like shit (remember at their level) shows me a lack of respect, pride, and professionalism, not traits I like to see in N.Z government.

Oh yeah, don't just pick shit out of this and modify it to raise a new rediculous argument.....ie"What point is that? That like you, we should all judge people by the way they look? Start spouting that bullshit at your next biker rally and you'll be walking home" ......Posts iv'e read of your before made me think you were smarter than this.:wacko:

Well you have obvously never watched Parliment live. Best dressed side show in town. Maybe you shoud email your post to all MP's but I doubt if the behavour would improve. Bottomline old son I judge by deeds not looks. Tanzor is a class example. Long haired Rastafarian but earned the respect of both sides of the House.

Why not give it a go.

You might just see more to a person than the image they want to project of themselves


Skyryder

Ps I suspect your hostility to Bradford has more to do with her politics that her dress sense and if I'm correct makes a mockery of all that you say on your standard of dress code etc.

[MisterD]

Tanzor is a class example. Long haired Rastafarian but earned the respect of both sides of the House.

Yeah, but old Nachos famously went and got himself a hemp suit made because he didn't think his pre-MP standard of dress was appropriate...

[firefighter]

Bottomline old son I judge by deeds not looks. Tanzor is a class example. Long haired Rastafarian but earned the respect of both sides of the House.
Why not give it a go.
You might just see more to a person than the image they want to project of themselves


Jesus fucking christ.

I. DO. NOT. JUGDE. PEOPLE. SOLEY. ON. THEIR. LOOKS.

A politician however, who can't be bothered ensuring they look at least worthy of their role, well, does'nt get my time of day. I never, ever, ever liked Nacho Pothead, his policies, or the fact that he made a mockery of parliament.
He gained "respect" from both sides, as he was popular amoung young voters due to his stance on pot, I think you will find this "respect" was more of a political decision, than anything else.




Ps I suspect your hostility to Bradford has more to do with her politics that her dress sense and if I'm correct makes a mockery of all that you say on your standard of dress code etc.

Actually, it is a complete merger of her looks, followed up and proven by her politics.....I hate how she looks like a filthy street hooker whos just been smacked around, pulled her clothing out of a rubbish bin and then proceeded to a television interview......

You may be fine with a sewer rat representing one of N.Zs political parties-not me.