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Headbanger

24th February 2009, 12:35

An attempt to make this thread a little less gay.

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MeHigh

24th February 2009, 12:47

Yeap... on the other heand you can have dum chiks on shiny bikes... yeap... never seen that before!

Bonez

24th February 2009, 13:15

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=92344

peasea

24th February 2009, 13:33

Yeap... on the other heand you can have dum chiks on shiny bikes... yeap... never seen that before!

I have and I could name one right now. She can't ride for shit either!

MeHigh

24th February 2009, 15:08

Haven’t seen the other topic, sorry!
The public reaction was impressive everybody posting there hate it!
Anywho is worth opening your eyes with something else then the dentist’s stock bike and the OCC “choppers”. For a change have a look here
http://churchofchoppers.blogspot.com/search/label/Basara%20MC%20(by%20Bird%20and%20Flynch)
‘Choppers were never meant to be long and useless…they were meant to be urban assault vehicles. Short, tight, light, and right. Getaway machines. Evasion, speed, performance…these were part of the formula for building a great chopper.

At what point in history did returning a vintage Harley back to stock and treating it like a fragile sculpture become the norm?

When did people stop seeing them as a solid platform for a urban assault vehicle? ‘
Luckily the HD designers are aware of the new trends in bike building and customising bikes this days and not having just the penis enlarger image in their head.
I don’t say that’s the way, I just say that’s a cool response in customising bikes in response to their purpose and the environment are built for (in this case Japanese city streets or quite all crowded big towns)
Saying that, I hardly wait to buy an Iron for my wife so I can ride it trough the town!
I forgot how things are here… ‘ I hate everything that is not between my legs or just half an inch to my bum’ . Twin cam hates Sportys and everybody else hates Harleys.
‘Love is in the air …lalla lalal lalaaaaaaaaaaa…’

peasea

24th February 2009, 18:26

‘Choppers were never meant to be long and useless…they were meant to be urban assault vehicles. Short, tight, light, and right. Getaway machines. Evasion, speed, performance…these were part of the formula for building a great chopper.

When did people stop seeing them as a solid platform for a urban assault vehicle? ‘
…’

Ahhh, Mister Basics I presume?

You've been a long time coming. (Get your mind out of the gutter and focus on the bikes, ok?)

Yes, the word "chopper" had a bit of a grey start didn't it? Chopped, bobbed? Hmmm, the beginnings were so close to each other yet the modern machines are so far away from each other it hurts. I like both but too much bling and the 'real' (read; scruffy, greasy,t-shirt and jeans-type) biker vanishes over the horizon in a latte`-laden sunset. I see so many, too many, shiny machines in the course of my life/work, that to come across something that is painted with aerosols, welded with gas and spitting flames out the straight pipes is truly a rarity. It still gives me a hard-on though and thank the heavens that they ARE still out there; just few and far between.

popelli

24th February 2009, 18:33

I see so many, too many, shiny machines in the course of my life/work, that to come across something that is painted with aerosols, welded with gas and spitting flames out the straight pipes is truly a rarity. It still gives me a hard-on though and thank the heavens that they ARE still out there; just few and far between.

but the nanny state won't like this

and neither with the harley establishment as they can't make any money out of this

Headbanger

24th February 2009, 19:08

peasea

24th February 2009, 19:11

but the nanny state won't like this

and neither with the harley establishment as they can't make any money out of this

Real bikers will say "fuck the nanny state"

and

Yes they can, it's called 'The Rocker'. I've aired my views on this machine elsewhere on this site.

peasea

24th February 2009, 19:13

Fuck it, HD whoring out trends created in the shed into their line of bikes doesn't strike me as impressive. Its imitation, Its following the crowd not leading it. And its watering down something cool to sell to pretenders.

They take something created by bikers, mass produce a soft corporate safe version of it to sell to the soft headed fools who suck up their marketing.

Whoever made that advert needs to be shot.

And, see my comments eleswhere on 'The Rocker'. I call it corporate suckup, like the original Superglide. Old Willie went to see what "those chopper guys" were up to, and hey presto! Instant corporate clone.

Big Dave

24th February 2009, 22:47

Yeah - I find the Iron very aesthetically pleasing - if it goes anything like a smaller version of the XL1200 it would be a very tidy machine for a compact person. Male or female.

nallac

25th February 2009, 07:46

It looks like how i usually like Harleys to look, low and blacked out, minminal
chrome to polish,keep clean..

Pity theres such a jump in prices from a sporty to a Dyna....

popelli

25th February 2009, 08:51

Pity theres such a jump in prices from a sporty to a Dyna....

and its a shame there isn't a jump in performance to match the jump in price

nallac

25th February 2009, 09:15

too true,
theres just isn't another 10k worth of steel or performance to really justify the price difference is there......

thehollowmen

25th February 2009, 09:55

I showed this to my mum, and she's seriously considering it. looks nice and low and easy to get on with a broken pelvis.
Pity they're not out in NZ.

She's been having a ball riding with me while her car is in the panel beaters. And she has her full bike license because her old scooter license from uni got converted to a bike license a long time back.

My lil sister thinks mum should go for it.

Big Dave

25th February 2009, 10:48

I don't like gaiters. practicality blah blah blah. I don't like gaiters.

nallac

25th February 2009, 10:57

They look good on the scrambler ...

Bonez

25th February 2009, 16:59

They look good on the scrambler ...The ones on the Nightster and Iron look like granddads ribbed comdoms.

xwhatsit

25th February 2009, 22:05

I don't like gaiters. practicality blah blah blah. I don't like gaiters.
Why? You ride offroad all the time. Doing fork seals is a big PITA.

Big Dave

25th February 2009, 22:13

Why?

Polka music.

scumdog

25th February 2009, 22:18

too true,
theres just isn't another 10k worth of steel or performance to really justify the price difference is there......

Sorta like why buy a Goldie when ya can get a print from Warehouse eh....

scumdog

25th February 2009, 22:20

I don't like gaiters. practicality blah blah blah. I don't like gaiters.

I thought it was "I don't like cricket..."

Paulo

25th February 2009, 22:38

saw this response to the 883 commercial on "do the Ton" made me laugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgtYbWUGPKk

Brand Manager #1: Let’s identify a demo with high cultural capital.
Brand Manager #2: Do elaborate.
Brand Manager #1: I got it; we’ll create a narrative around the real man--the garage builder.
Brand Manager #2: Yes; yes! We’ll follow a day in his life.
Brand Manager #1: Agreed. He’ll have to have a hot girlfriend.
Brand Manager #2: Check!
Brand Manager #1: And we’ll add a gritty effect to the film
Brand Manager #2: But wait a minute. Our buyers a checkbook riders. They don’t actually build anything.
Brand Manager #1: I know right? We’ll sell them the idea that they are just like our character.
Brand Manager #2: Perfect! Write a check; buy a lifestyle.
Brand Manager #1: …and our formula is perpetuated.

popelli

27th February 2009, 05:20

interesting advert

all black

solo seat

bobbed rear guard

drag bars

straight cut exhausts

roll back the clock 32 years and didn't the XLCR have all those features?

Bonez

27th February 2009, 14:44

interesting advert

all black

solo seat

bobbed rear guard

drag bars

straight cut exhausts

roll back the clock 32 years and didn't the XLCR have all those features?http://www.motorcyclemuseum.org/classics/bike.asp?id=1

Wouldn't be surprised if a mass market XLCR "replica" is in the wings.

Ads are amusing.

Griffin

3rd March 2009, 22:51

Well everyone seems to have their opinion huh?

I am firmly in the "Dam thats sexy" camp and am seriously gonna look at one for my next bike... unfortunately I have to wait for them to arrive sometime in late August / early September this year.

The only problem is that being one of the gullible, advertorial affected middle aged white males that I am... I might have to look at buying all the HD clothing and accessories. <_<

scumdog

3rd March 2009, 22:53

Griffin

3rd March 2009, 23:05

So buy them.

You own a H-D - why worry what the 'others' think??

umm... it was a dig at people who think that if you buy brand named stuff (which on this site seems to mean "HD" stuff) then you must be a gullible, advertorial affected, middle aged white male... because it seems that you couldnt possibly just really like the product and what it stands for.

I must be having a subtle post day today...

Headbanger

4th March 2009, 06:58

because it seems that you couldnt possibly just really like the product and what it stands for.

What does it stand for?, seriously, You think an over priced jacket with a Harley emblem on it stands for something? You think a brand of bike takes some sort of stance? It means about as much as a can of beans, and those beans don't get more "meaning" if they are have a billion dollar marketing campaign behind them, A Bean club for Bean owners, clothes to wear while eating those beans and a price tag at least double their nearest competitor.

Anyhow, I just dropped $300 on a pair of HD boots, They don't stand for anything, Just a damn fine pair of boots, and I bought them in spite of the Harley rubbish plastered all over them not because they stand for anything...well apart from crass marketing and the power of hyperbole.

nallac

4th March 2009, 07:06

Griffin

4th March 2009, 07:45

What does it stand for?, seriously, You think an over priced jacket with a Harley emblem on it stands for something? You think a brand of bike takes some sort of stance? It means about as much as a can of beans, and those beans don't get more "meaning" if they are have a billion dollar marketing campaign behind them, A Bean club for Bean owners, clothes to wear while eating those beans and a price tag at least double their nearest competitor.

Anyhow, I just dropped $300 on a pair of HD boots, They don't stand for anything, Just a damn fine pair of boots, and I bought them in spite of the Harley rubbish plastered all over them not because they stand for anything...well apart from crass marketing and the power of hyperbole.

Well actually, yeah I do. Different things mean different things to different people. Just cos you cant differentiate an American icon from a can of beans doesnt mean that I shouldnt be entitled to have my opinion on it.

Sure the company makes money from its brand... most good companies do. Sure it can be considered overpriced by many, but to those who are happy to pay the price, its probably worth every cent.

As for the hypothetical parallell you draw about the bean club members in their bean club clothing eating their overpriced 'brand' of beans... you dam well betcha if there was such a thing that those beans WOULD mean something to those people. Just cos you dont agree doesnt make you and your high and mighty tirade any more correct.

Yeah yeah... your entitled to your opinion and blah blah... but if you must post your opinions at least do it in such a way that you dont disrespect others because of their preferences.

Griffin

4th March 2009, 07:48

add a 1200 kit to that as well, the 883's need some more get up an go..

and no need to pay the the dealer to do it, its piss easy to do your self.

Cheers, Yeah I have heard that the 883s are a little lacking but this is so much more appealing than the nightster. Will have to take one for a ride to see what its like... I have no idea about installing bits to bikes so I prob would look to the dealer if this was worthwhile.

Headbanger

4th March 2009, 08:00

Well actually, yeah I do.

Ok, What does it stand for then?

Yeah yeah... your entitled to your opinion and blah blah... but if you must post your opinions at least do it in such a way that you don't disrespect others because of their preferences.

Fat chance.

nallac

4th March 2009, 08:07

Cheers, Yeah I have heard that the 883s are a little lacking but this is so much more appealing than the nightster. Will have to take one for a ride to see what its like... I have no idea about installing bits to bikes so I prob would look to the dealer if this was worthwhile.

they are a fun little bike to ride as a 883 a hell of a lot more fun with a a 1200 kit in em.
Get a workshop manual and teach your self, thats what i did.took about 8 hours to do going slowly,including painting barrels and heads..

Griffin

4th March 2009, 08:08

Ok, What does it stand for then?

Like I would tell you what it means to me and open the door for more of your anti everything bullshit... no thanks, you can continue your argument by yourself.

Oh wait... does this somehow prove to you that I dont actually know what it means to me...?

Meh... who cares. :zzzz:

Big Dave

4th March 2009, 08:13

I like the marketing and the motorclothes.

Don't like the stuff with big logos on it but there is plenty subtly branded stuff that are just well designed products for motorcycles.

What it stands for is a well made and supported product generally ridden by people who are reasonably successful in life and can afford nice toys.

And a few blow hards. :-P

Headbanger

4th March 2009, 08:54

Like I would tell you what it means to me and open the door for more of your anti everything bullshit... no thanks, you can continue your argument by yourself.

Oh wait... does this somehow prove to you that I dont actually know what it means to me...?

Meh... who cares. :zzzz:

Ok, Thats convincing. :whistle:

Sorry for asking a very simple question, twice.

And its not anti-everything bullshit, Its just anti-bullshit.

Headbanger

4th March 2009, 09:20

What it stands for is a well made and supported product generally ridden by people who are reasonably successful in life and can afford nice toys.

And a few blow hards. :-P

Interesting, Your almost saying its a status symbol?,display of wealth?

Personally I like the look and the way it can be traced back through 100 years of motorcycles, Heritage does have a value, But god damn they have saturated it will gunk, Miles and miles of gunk, Now every bike has to have an angle and comes with a pre-packaged "lifestyle" The marketing it seems is more important then the bike.

There is no more "freedom" or "free spirit" packaged with any HD then there is with a GN250.

Of course, that's just my opinion, Not designed to upset any sensative soul's but of no concern if it does.

Big Dave

4th March 2009, 09:28

Interesting, Your almost saying its a status symbol?,display of wealth?

'Every status has a symbol.' Can't remember who said it though.

Headbanger

4th March 2009, 09:30

'Every status has a symbol.' Can't remember who said it though.

Can't find any trace of it on Google so you could probably claim that as your own.

Bonez

4th March 2009, 16:04

There is no more "freedom" or "free spirit" packaged with any HD then there is with a GN250.
Well said.

Big Dave

4th March 2009, 16:59

Well said.

Yeah - I feel exactly the same as about life, the Universe and all that on a Ginny or a Road King....no, wait....

Griffin

4th March 2009, 17:57

There is no more "freedom" or "free spirit" packaged with any HD then there is with a GN250.

LOL... yeah, that is why we all aspire to stick with our 250 (be it GN or any other) once we get our full licence huh?

Headbanger

4th March 2009, 18:15

LOL... yeah, that is why we all aspire to stick with our 250 (be it GN or any other) once we get our full licence huh?

All bikes have different capabilities and style, we all aspire to what appeals to us.

Freedom and lifestyle isn't packaged with any brand of bike, Enjoyment and the thrill of riding is inherent in motorcycles whether they are from Korea or America, Over powered or under powered, Race track,dirt track or to work and back.

Stupid question.

Just about the most fun a man can have is fanging a 250 dirt bike on a gravel road.

Bonez

4th March 2009, 18:20

LOL... yeah, that is why we all aspire to stick with our 250 (be it GN or any other) once we get our full licence huh?Chap at work is happy with his GN. Had his full licence for decades beleive it or not............... Uses it to go trout fishing most weekends. Not all riders have the same requirements, yet all do the same thing, aka ride motorcycles.

Griffin

4th March 2009, 23:22

All bikes have different capabilities and style, we all aspire to what appeals to us.

Therefore the fact that I like the HD brand just because I like it and not because I am a gullible, advertorial affected white male... is actually ok - and therefore not for you or anyone else to ride high and mighty on cos of some chip you have on your shoulder. Sweet, thanks :)

Griffin

4th March 2009, 23:27

Chap at work is happy with his GN. Had his full licence for decades beleive it or not

Well there are always exceptions to the rule... some people still drive cars.

Headbanger

4th March 2009, 23:36

Therefore the fact that I like the HD brand just because I like it and not because I am a gullible, advertorial affected white male... is actually ok - and therefore not for you or anyone else to ride high and mighty on cos of some chip you have on your shoulder. Sweet, thanks :)

Merely taking part in a discussion sweat cheeks, Your the one who claimed it stood for something yet was unable to elaborate. As much as I was interested enough in your answer the fact that you didn't have one doesn't mean I care enough to jump to any conclusion as to whatever you are or what presses your buttons.

Well, That's a lot of words to say I really don't give a fuck, You had a bit of a patty and removed yourself and now your back.Lmfao.

Bonez

5th March 2009, 04:50

Well there are always exceptions to the rule... some people still drive cars.Pfffffffffffff!!!! What rule? Some people can't see the advantage in owning a car and a bike. Can't see past their myopic bikecentric or carcentric veiwpoint.

Griffin

5th March 2009, 07:53

Merely taking part in a discussion sweat cheeks, Your the one who claimed it stood for something yet was unable to elaborate.

Sweat cheeks? you either need to learn to spell or you know way more about me than I'm comfortable with.

Just to clarify... not UNABLE to elaborate... just unwilling. I dont need to justify myself or my preferences to you just because you believe it is necessary for me to do so. And you obviously do give a fuck or else you wouldn't keep going on about it.

Griffin

5th March 2009, 08:00

Pfffffffffffff!!!! What rule? Some people can't see the advantage in owning a car and a bike. Can't see past their myopic bikecentric or carcentric veiwpoint.

Hmmm... ok

Headbanger

5th March 2009, 08:12

Sweat cheeks? you either need to learn to spell or you know way more about me than I'm comfortable with.

Just to clarify... not UNABLE to elaborate... just unwilling. I dont need to justify myself or my preferences to you just because you believe it is necessary for me to do so. And you obviously do give a fuck or else you wouldn't keep going on about it.

I believe in answering people who are directly addressing me, as you continue to do, Sweet cheeks.

Enough, enough dribble, Your not interesting, entertaining, insightful or intelligent, so your crap is pretty much worthless....... and you ride a pretend Harley.

Lmfao.

Griffin

5th March 2009, 08:32

I believe in answering people who are directly addressing me, as you continue to do, Sweet cheeks.

Enough, enough dribble, Your not interesting, entertaining, insightful or intelligent, so your crap is pretty much worthless....... and you ride a pretend Harley.

Lmfao.

Um... no, I ride a Suzuki Boulevard, a good bike in its own right without needing to be compared to any other brand of bike. I didnt realise that as well as being holier than thou that you were also into deriding other peoples bikes... you're all quality.

And am I concerned that you claim to find me uninteresting etc... when you keep finding the time to come back and respond... no.

FYI, I dont think its so much that you have a noble desire to respond to people who address you... more likely that you have an insatiable desire to have the last word in order to try and justify yourself to anyone who may be reading - and also to try and make yourself look / sound important / cool / whatever. (As you will prove with your next response). Hope thats going well for you.

You have taught me something though... I need to take more heed of my own signature, cos it just proves itself time and time again.

Oh, and finally - I am not your sweet cheeks... no matter how much you may crave it, thanks for trying tho :)

Headbanger

5th March 2009, 08:55

shhhhh, Your dribbling, and I still don't care that you have made 9 posts defending how you you don't need to defend your position.

Your stance that you don't need to explain yourself was a mighty fine one based on the dribble that followed. You should have stuck to it.

Sweet cheeks.

nallac

5th March 2009, 10:24

aww, come on you two get a room.....:buggerd:

Griffin

5th March 2009, 10:46

This is our room... welcome ;)

James Deuce

5th March 2009, 11:19

I want a Harley.

outlawtorn

5th March 2009, 11:25

This is our room... welcome ;)

Don't worry Griffin, headbanger is full of shit anyways...HE is the kind of HD rider that people don't like.....

Headbanger

5th March 2009, 11:31

Don't worry Griffin, headbanger is full of shit anyways...HE is the kind of HD rider that people don't like.....

Quality post:tugger:

I take it then if I was on my old GPX I would be the kind of Kawasaki rider that people don't like?

What a retarded comment to make.

outlawtorn

5th March 2009, 11:34

Quality post:tugger:

I take it then if I was on my old GPX I would be the kind of Kawasaki rider that people don't like?

What a retarded comment to make.

last word.......:bleh:

nallac

5th March 2009, 12:06

I want a Harley.

Me to... just can't decide which one...
oh and a Buell...

nallac

5th March 2009, 12:07

Don't worry Griffin, headbanger is full of shit anyways...HE is the kind of HD rider that people don't like.....

Why?, doesn't he wave.....:nono:

James Deuce

5th March 2009, 12:27

Me to... just can't decide which one...
oh and a Buell...
Me too. Ditto on the decision front.

Griffin

5th March 2009, 13:37

Don't worry Griffin, headbanger is full of shit anyways...HE is the kind of HD rider that people don't like.....

Cheers ears... I kinda figured that was the case. Nice bike by the way, even if some people would class it as a pretend Harley (ay Headbanger?)

Gotta love those Bullys :cool:

Griffin

5th March 2009, 13:41

I want a Harley.

Jim... YOU want a Harley???

Wow, I'm impressed, I thought you hated Harleys... or are you just pulling the piss??? :Pokey:

nallac

5th March 2009, 13:44

Haven't you seen his rave about the New XR1200?...
Me i don't like the look of them ..

Headbanger

5th March 2009, 13:44

Cheers ears... I kinda figured that was the case. Nice bike by the way, even if some people would class it as a pretend Harley (ay Headbanger?)

Gotta love those Bullys :cool:

To be honest I'm loved and adored everywhere I go. And I doubt Mr Outlawtorn was ever elected as spokesperson for "The People".

I'm also humble, which is hard as I'm so fucking awesome.

Big Dave

5th March 2009, 13:46

*I* am humbler.

Griffin

5th March 2009, 13:52

Haven't you seen his rave about the New XR1200?...
Me i don't like the look of them ..

No... to be honest, I dont come on here too often. But I do like the XR1200. Will have a look for the 'rave'.

Griffin

5th March 2009, 13:53

To be honest I'm loved and adored everywhere I go. And I doubt Mr Outlawtorn was ever elected as spokesperson for "The People".

I'm also humble, which is hard as I'm so fucking awesome.

LOL... ok, THAT was funny

peasea

5th March 2009, 15:31

Why?, doesn't he wave.....:nono:

Some of us wave.

Ooh look honey, a waving thread on kb, whatever will they think of next?

nallac

5th March 2009, 15:34

how about our own special KBer wave...:laugh:

Bonez

5th March 2009, 17:12

I want a Harley.Go to a pub and ask for Harley then. I'm sure you wont be disapointed.

James Deuce

5th March 2009, 17:27

That only works in Upper Hutt, Riccarton, and Glenfield.

Bonez

5th March 2009, 17:29

Um... no, I ride a Suzuki Boulevard, a good bike in its own right without needing to be compared to any other brand of bike. I didnt realise that as well as being holier than thou that you were also into deriding other peoples bikes... you're all quality.Hmmm, isn't sarcasim your speciality? I think you missed some,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Griffin

5th March 2009, 18:20

Hmmm, isn't sarcasim your speciality? I think you missed some,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Geez Bonez... got a bee up your arse? Is Headbanger your partner or something - I didnt realise that my comments to him would affect you so much. Dont have a :crybaby:

Bonez

5th March 2009, 18:22

Geez Bonez... got a bee up your arse? Is Headbanger your partner or something - I didnt realise that my comments to him would affect you so much. :crybaby:Pop up north some time and I'm sure we can show you some nice bits of tarmac.

Griffin

5th March 2009, 18:27

Pop up north some time and I'm sure we can show you some nice bits of tarmac.

LOL... thats the NICEST threat I've ever had. You're very special.

Bonez

5th March 2009, 18:29

LOL... thats the NICEST threat I've ever had. You're very special.I know I am. My therapist told me just that today.

Griffin

5th March 2009, 19:12

I know I am. My therapist told me just that today.

Hmmm... thats the first comment you've made that I feel I can actually take seriously.

Anyway, I think this thread has been done over... time to move on.

Bonez

5th March 2009, 19:26

Hmmm... thats the first comment you've made that I feel I can actually take seriously.

Anyway, I think this thread has been done over... time to move on.You poor dear. That offer of a tiki tour still stands.

Horse

6th March 2009, 09:12

I want a Harley.

Of course you do!

Pulled into the southbound service centre on the Southern Motorway yesterday, on the way out of Auckland. Parked at the pump next to a guy on an 04 Road King in yellow and orange. He was wearing bright yellow rain gear, and I don't think he was at all worried how his clothing might have looked to some notional "them".

"It's just the way they sound, isn't it", he said to me. I nodded my agreement. "It probably would have been cheaper just to get a Harley engine recording on CD", he added with a smile. I laughed, and nodded my agreement.