EXCs 200, 250, 300

[kezzafish]

I want an exc... i've moaned about my bike for too long. I don't want to take a technology drop so it has to be an 07. There are no 300s for sale and i think they're out of my price range anyway so i'm looking at 07 exc 200s and 250s. There's quite a few 200s on there and the price is usually around 6000 there's only a couple 250s and they're around 7000. I'm erring on the side of the 250 just because i like big whollop. What i'm really asking for here is the advice of anyone who's ridden both or either models. Is the 250 gonna have better low grunt and less snappy annoyingness then the 200? Arguments for both models will be appreciated

Cheers

[cheese]

I think that Dammad1 might be selling his 300 soon.

[kezzafish]

oh yeah, i saw him mention that. i think it'll be out of my price range tho as i don't wanna take on any more debt and won't realistically get more than 6000 for my bike in the current "economic climate" if i want to sell it fast.

I just spoke to AFC MC in palmy. they have an 07 250 road registered that they want 7500 for and said they'd probably trade mine in for 5500. I can probably find 2000 but would really rather not have to put cash in. Hence the attraction of the cheaper 200s

[Reckless]

Kezz I read a very interesting report on the 08 200 being good for enduro and a bit of a thrash 125 size frame and 250ish horse power and the 250 being quite torquy and more enduro they picked 200exc over the 250. BUT there where big changes for 08 as this was a model revision year which is wht I went for the 08 as they won't make to many changes to it for 3 years or so. I don't know if this applies to the 07 year 200 Vs 250 comparison.
I'll try and find it for you!

[kezzafish]

Kezz I read a very interesting report on the 08 200 being good for enduro and a bit of a thrash 125 size frame and 250ish horse power and the 250 being quite torquy and more enduro they picked 200exc over the 250. BUT there where big changes for 08 as this was a model revision year which is wht I went for the 08 as they won't make to many changes to it for 3 years or so. I don't know if this applies to the 07 year 200 Vs 250 comparison.
I'll try and find it for you!

That'd be good to read reckless, cheers. There is an 08 200 on trade me for 9500 (buy now) only done 8.5 hours. The guy has an injury. Very tempting but just out of my price range reach.

I bought the sxf cos it was the revision model with the new motor etc and it was cheap but i didn't consider the fact that it was wrong for the type of riding i wanna do lol (kinda important when buying a bike)

[Reckless]

Shit that didn't take long lucky I saved them as PDF files.
When I was looking I read every damn review going most of the time they picked the 200exc over the others. I came to the conclusion it was a very under rated bike. People simply wanted bigger numbers on the side.

My only thought here is how big are you and coming of a 450 you might notice the more of a difference going with the 200. When I went and got mine, my mate and I went for a ride in the forest up Parapram way, Tangimoana Forest I think (like a Woodhill GNCC but free). He loved my 200 even though he came of a YZ450 with olins shocks and all the good shit. Didn't say he liked it enough to sell his though!
If I where you Id choose between the 125 size frame and the 250 size frame so 200exc or 300exc and forget the 250. But I've only ridden the 200 so I know shit all about it! LOL!!
Just my 2c

[kezzafish]

awesome. Thanks reck. That pretty much quantified what i believed. One of the testers in that 2nd report even said "it's (the 200) not the sort of bike you want if you're nailing it down gravel roads with your mates on 450s" which is exactly what i want to be able to do with it aswell as the tight stuff. I think the 300 is really what i want but i can't afford it so the 250 seems a good compromise. In saying all this i'll be looking at 07s (for price) anyway.

I'm 6 foot 5 and 95 kilos. I think riding the 450 for so long up knarly trails has made me reasonably strong and i think i ride it pretty well but i think i'll be able to ride a smaller (lower cg) bike faster in the single track. I just don't wanna give up the super wheelie stompin grunt that i've come to love so much

[kezzafish]

Re: Tangimoana, i ride there 4-5 times a year and yes it's like woodhill but free (from what i've heard of woodhill). Free is good, aaaah we have it so good down here... sukkers. Just kidding. It's pretty fast there and being sand it sucks horsepower out of your bike. I think i'll definately miss the 450 tow if i buy a poker when riding Tangi but I ride Karapoti much more often and the poker will be ideal up there. Also with the enduro series in mind i think the poker will give me a greater advantage... the 200 would be ideal but it doesn't have the crossover appeal if ya know what i mean.

ANYONE ridden the 07 models?

[Crisis management]

A number of random comments which may, or may not, be usefull...bear in mind I have only got 50 hours on off road bikes, so not much of an expert.

I ride a 200exc (04) with guys on a 300 exc and 450 exc's, as soon as it gets tight (typical Karapoti) everyones saying "I wish I was riding the 200".
I have ridden a 300exc and apart from more torque didn't notice a lot of difference, can't say as I noticed the extra size and weight.
The 200 is designed for a 75kg rider, suits me fine.
The 200 is plenty powerfull enough for most rides, look at the GNCC results and there are 200 exc's up there.

Maybe look at what size / weight the 250 is designed for, that may be the deciding factor...are you a fat bastard? :bleh:

Have fun choosing tho, wish I had some cash to spend!

[kezzafish]

A number of random comments which may, or may not, be usefull...bear in mind I have only got 50 hours on off road bikes, so not much of an expert.

I ride a 200exc (04) with guys on a 300 exc and 450 exc's, as soon as it gets tight (typical Karapoti) everyones saying "I wish I was riding the 200".
I have ridden a 300exc and apart from more torque didn't notice a lot of difference, can't say as I noticed the extra size and weight.
The 200 is designed for a 75kg rider, suits me fine.
The 200 is plenty powerfull enough for most rides, look at the GNCC results and there are 200 exc's up there.

Maybe look at what size / weight the 250 is designed for, that may be the deciding factor...are you a fat bastard? :bleh:

Have fun choosing tho, wish I had some cash to spend!

cool, thanks. What other offroaders have you owned? any 4strokes? how would you compare your 200 to previous bikes?
Yeah i think the weight issue is gonna be one to note. I'm slim as a bean shoot but lanky and large. 95kg

Do you mean you didn't notice the extra weight of the 300?

As for wishing you had cash to spend... so do I !

[rossrc]

Ah Kezza... you and your typos... I know you mean EC, not EXC ;)

[kezzafish]

Ah Kezza... you and your typos... I know you mean EC, not EXC ;)

ha ha haaaa. narp

[Reckless]

I'm 98kg with all my gear, average height and the 200 is ok for me!

Secondly: I've only got a hundred hours under my belt (off road) but the 2hundy goes as fast as I need it to on the gravel link roads. Tapped out 6th gear is bloody fast in anyone's book. Anywhere else its as fast as anything you can ride against. Don't think its a pussy, As fast flat out as my 01 CR250. Faster than any 4 stroke 250 and gives the 450's a fright on anything but a flat out road run. With the right rider of coarse!! Lifts the front in 1st, 2nd and into third under power. I like it because I still do a bit of MX track practice days, Ardmore and sometimes Harrisville and you can still whang it like an MXer if you want to on those tracks!
I've still got the power valve backed off a 1/2 turn and I ride it on the low ignition curve about 50% of the time.

You'll put 1/2 the fuel in a 200 as well, I reckon it'll do a 2 hour GNCC on a tank no stops. I'll find out for sure next series. LOL!

If you want more top end I never use first gear so there's heaps of room for re gearing for more, if you do lots of this riding. There's lots of thumper talk evidence of this I think a 44t rear is a pretty standard option??

In saying the above if you've come off a 450 (especially an SX) you might find a bit of power difference in the fast stuff.

But I am a bit Bias!!!! I love this new bike! I'll shut up Now!!!!!

[Crisis management]

What other offroaders have you owned? any 4strokes? how would you compare your 200 to previous bikes?
Yeah i think the weight issue is gonna be one to note. I'm slim as a bean shoot but lanky and large. 95kg

Do you mean you didn't notice the extra weight of the 300?



No other previous off road bikes, just adventure bikes and that isn't a comparison so I really only have experience of the 200, remember I've only got 50 hours on off road bikes.
As far as the 300 goes it didn't feel any heavier than the 200 but you may notice it in really tight stuff...where else is weight an issue?
As far as the rider weight goes, the 200 is sprung for 75 Kg so you may need to respring it for a heavier weight, my comment was really about whether the 250 was a better buy if it's already set up for that weight.
As you probably know the 200 has the 125 running gear and is based on that motor, the 250 and up is larger framed and the motor has differences, primarily in the power valve I think...I'm not sure of that tho!

You probably need to see them side by side to get a handle on the differences.


Random thought 3304.....If you want to race this new bike does the engine capacity affect which class you will be in? I said it was a random thought!


Iain.

[secondfield]

One year out from what you want, but maybe worth a squizz.... he's open to deals.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-196849371.htm

[cheese]

Do you find the 450 just too big to throw around? you could get your suspension redone to suit your riding style.

[kezzafish]

Do you find the 450 just too big to throw around? you could get your suspension redone to suit your riding style.

yeah the susp is too hard, the power is too great and the gearing is totally wrong. It's has a mass of torque right off idle and i find i'm always trying to straighten it out or get the front wheel down. It basically entirely fucks you within 15 minutes lol

Good point re the racing crisis. I'm a novice this year so can enter on any bike i like

Cheers for your comments. I may be swayed slightly towards the 200. The other point i notice in those articles reck is that they mention the old model (07) saying that it's twitchy at speed.

[barty5]

yeah the susp is too hard, the power is too great and the gearing is totally wrong. It's has a mass of torque right off idle and i find i'm always trying to straighten it out or get the front wheel down. It basically entirely fucks you within 15 minutes lol

Good point re the racing crisis. I'm a novice this year so can enter on any bike i like

Cheers for your comments. I may be swayed slightly towards the 200. The other point i notice in those articles reck is that they mention the old model (07) saying that it's twitchy at speed.

seam most people who buy a KTM soon end up buying a steering dampner

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-189069054.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-197958745.htm

couple a 300s same price but the 07 will have a few xtras being a 6day
have you thought about a 250 4s enduro. Mate of mine had a yzf250 with all the bells and whistle fitted traded it on a wr250 rides heaps bettter and faster finished yamaha top rider in 5th overall missing one round.

[flyingcr250]

i dont seem to have any problems in the tight stuff on my 300, im 6ft and 95kgs, the low down torque is awesome, but i think it could do with a steering damper. :headbang:

[kezzafish]

seam most people who buy a KTM soon end up buying a steering dampner

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-189069054.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-197958745.htm

couple a 300s same price but the 07 will have a few xtras being a 6day
have you thought about a 250 4s enduro. Mate of mine had a yzf250 with all the bells and whistle fitted traded it on a wr250 rides heaps bettter and faster finished yamaha top rider in 5th overall missing one round.

Cheers, i'll have a look at those when i get home from work (trade me blocked) The 4t 250s just don't have the fun grunt that i like when hooning with mates. But i hear what you're saying. i'd definately be faster on 1 for enduro. I've riiden an 07 WR250 and it was so easy, plush as fuck but definately a bit tame. On saying that the 08 yzf450 is plush as fuck too and not tame by any means. Yamaha and KYB seem to have it sussed


i dont seem to have any problems in the tight stuff on my 300, im 6ft and 95kgs, the low down torque is awesome, but i think it could do with a steering damper. :headbang:

What'd ya pay for yours bro? why do ya recon you need the damper?

[Rupe]

. It basically entirely fucks you within 15 minutes lol

Thats because you are old and a spent force. Get a quad, maybe one with a gay flag on the back.

Mind you, ktm's are aimed at senior riders, get one cause they are brilliant, then spend a fortune on dampers and suspension cause they're shithouse.

[kezzafish]

Thats because you are old and a spent force. Get a quad, maybe one with a gay flag on the back.

Mind you, ktm's are aimed at senior riders, get one cause they are brilliant, then spend a fortune on dampers and suspension cause they're shithouse.

ha ha haaaa, brilliant.... cunt.... bling well earned

[Rupe]

ha ha haaaa, brilliant.... cunt.... bling well earned

yeah couldn't think of anything helpful to say so thought I'd be a cock instead.

[Ktmboy]

Mate, With your size height wise you need a 300. I've had a few drags with 450's on gravel roads and apart from the start(only a metre in it for the first 50) I just blow past them. Over 140 kclicks to their 120.

I've had the 200 and they are awesum. Buy not to good for bigger riders.

[flyingcr250]

What'd ya pay for yours bro? why do ya recon you need the damper?

i payed 5000 for mine it was pretty mint too, real tidy in fact. some times at high speed you get a bit of the shopping trolley effect happening, it could just be me though hahaha <_<

[thommo77]

'scuse the ignorance, guys, but which of the KTM thumpers are road registerable in enzed? I really like the KTMs and will eventually be looking at something bigger than my current mount. Did they produce 400's?

[kezzafish]

the excs are road registerable.
125, 200, 250, 300 exc (2 stroke)
250, 400, 450, 505 excf (4stroke)

I'd suggest you avoid them all and follow rupecopp's earlier instruction to me

[kezzafish]

Mate, With your size height wise you need a 300. I've had a few drags with 450's on gravel roads and apart from the start(only a metre in it for the first 50) I just blow past them. Over 140 kclicks to their 120.

I've had the 200 and they are awesum. Buy not to good for bigger riders.

yeah i know mate i really want one but they seem to be harder to find and more expensive. Have you ridden a 250? would you take and 05 300 over an 07 250?

[cheese]

Thats because you are old and a spent force. Get a quad, maybe one with a gay flag on the back.

Mind you, ktm's are aimed at senior riders, get one cause they are brilliant, then spend a fortune on dampers and suspension cause they're shithouse.

I was about to say do you have your man period? Not getting any action at home mate?

[kezzafish]

yeah couldn't think of anything helpful to say so thought I'd be a cock instead.

ha ha ha heee heee hee. still not over it. Funny as fuck

[tommorth]

can't you convert a 250 to a 300 by swaping the top end parts over?
proably not cost effective but if you happened apon the parts reaitivly cheap and needed a new top end

[kezzafish]

oooh.that.sounds.interesting.can.you?.

[dammad1]

Kezza a couple of things to keep in mind:

If you don't want to go backwards technology wise then you have to go for an 08 as the exc's are a year behind and they got the 07 sx frame in 08.

The head shake was alot more prevalent in the older ktms but the 08 frame sorted alot of this out. In saying that I do run a damper but I rode it for quite a while with out one and never had a problem with headshake and I only put one on because I wanted to see what they were like and the US dollar was strong at the time so i got it at a real good price. I have had an 03 and spent a bit of time on a 07 and I never really had problems with head shake on those bikes and I hear the 06 was the worst for it (someone may correct me)

Suspension wise you will have to change springs on any of them at your weight.

The 200 is a great little bike and has excellent power down low for a small bore and I certainly would like to have one for the real tight stuff as the 300 is just a waste as you never get to use any of its grunt (unless your Chris Birch).

But the 300 is a great all rounder, if you want to deal to your mates on their 450's the 300 will out run them no problems, the bike can be lugged to the point that you wonder how it still runs or if you are feeling fit you can ride it on the pipe and scream it.

Yep i very likely will have to sell mine as i'm very close to securing a deal to work in OZ, but as soon as I setttle and can afford it I will be buying another 300 with a doubt.

The best bet though is go to ride a few, ask the dealer if they have any demo models, triple x in Auck gave me a 07 for a weekend and an 08 for another weekend which really helped me make my mind up.

[dammad1]

oooh.that.sounds.interesting.can.you?.

Yep you can, people on KTM TALK are always talking about it.

[Rupe]

I was about to say do you have your man period? Not getting any action at home mate?

wife is seven months pregnant, 14mth old boy sleeps the opposite hours to me and hits me on the head with the tv remote if I lie on the sofa.

Anyway what this thing Barty was telling me about that you do with your buttocks when ridding? And I don't mean the time you came back from gizzy with a rubber still left between them?

[dammad1]

wife is seven months pregnant, 14mth old boy sleeps the opposite hours to me and hits me on the head with the tv remote if I lie on the sofa.

Anyway what this thing Barty was telling me about that you do with your buttocks when ridding? And I don't mean the time you came back from gizzy with a rubber still left between them?

Good stuff mate you have loads more fun to come then, I had my knee surgery today but there was certainly no chance of a peaceful recovery on the couch with my two around.

[kezzafish]

sweet. cheers for ya info Dammd. I can't afford the 08 and i'm not gonna get into anymore debt. I'm gonna be paying off a motard (that i'll never fucking see again) for the next 4 years. I'm just gonna have to take a hit and get something a bit older. I'm gonna look for older 300s or most likely the latest 250 i can get. I'd go for the right 200 if it comes along even if i think it is too little for my lanky frame... fuck it... i just wanna change. I'll trade mine for an xr if you're keen oldschool?

[noobi]

You seem to think that KTM is the only way to go?
The gasgas EC250 is consistently compared as the most aggressive enduro 250 2t on the market, and in my opinion has better brakes :p
Although they are rather hard to find, trademe only has new ones

Someone was bound to point it out sooner or later

[dammad1]

sweet. cheers for ya info Dammd. I can't afford the 08 and i'm not gonna get into anymore debt. I'm gonna be paying off a motard (that i'll never fucking see again) for the next 4 years. I'm just gonna have to take a hit and get something a bit older. I'm gonna look for older 300s or most likely the latest 250 i can get. I'd go for the right 200 if it comes along even if i think it is too little for my lanky frame... fuck it... i just wanna change. I'll trade mine for an xr if you're keen oldschool?

yeah fair enough, the older models are not bad by any means, my mate just got a 06 200 for 5300 which I thought was a good deal, if I had the money I would love to own a 200 and a 300. But to be honest the 250's never really get alot of the lime light. I see Chris Birch has switched to one for the endro series though so they must be all good, maybe he can shed some more light on the subject?

[dammad1]

You seem to think that KTM is the only way to go?
The gasgas EC250 is consistently compared as the most aggressive enduro 250 2t on the market, and in my opinion has better brakes :p
Although they are rather hard to find, trademe only has new ones

Someone was bound to point it out sooner or later

The gassers do get good reviews and I looked at quite a few before i switched to KTM's but every time I sit on one they just give me an impression of being cheap. But each to their own.

[noobi]

The gassers do get good reviews and I looked at quite a few before i switched to KTM's but every time I sit on one they just give me an impression of being cheap. But each to their own.


a ha, did you ever ride one???
like gripper seats, there good to a point then just annoying

[kezzafish]

The gassers do get good reviews and I looked at quite a few before i switched to KTM's but every time I sit on one they just give me an impression of being cheap. But each to their own.

yeah same. all the casting looks nasty. I'd still go for one at the right price but as you said noobi... there's fuck all around

[dammad1]

a ha, did you ever ride one???
like gripper seats, there good to a point then just annoying

No I only ever sat on them, but as I said I know they have alot of good reviews so i'm sure they go good. Those cheap 07's that were going around would have been a good deal, I tried to find one for my mate but they had all sold out.

[noobi]

No I only ever sat on them, but as I said I know they have alot of good reviews so i'm sure they go good. Those cheap 07's that were going around would have been a good deal, I tried to find one for my mate but they had all sold out.

I'm only allowed to look at the bikes in bike shops...
It may happen with 08 models

[barty5]

wife is seven months pregnant, 14mth old boy sleeps the opposite hours to me and hits me on the head with the tv remote if I lie on the sofa.

Anyway what this thing Barty was telling me about that you do with your buttocks when ridding? And I don't mean the time you came back from gizzy with a rubber still left between them?

come on play nicely boys or youll be sent to yah rooms.

[kezzafish]

come on play nicely boys or youll be sent to yah rooms.

he started it

[rossrc]

I think there's still one '07 EC300 around, but it did sound a bit dodge - supposedly when the dealer uncrated it they found it was dirty and had a shredded rear tyre, so they sent it back to the warehouse... which is where it was last I heard. Motorad certainly had 1 secondhand 300, with another due soon.
Mate... you know you want to :)

[secondfield]

hHre ya go ... the guys just round the corner from you, his phone numbers there and he'll probably let it go for cheaper ... its a bit older, but low hours for its age...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=202952633

Might even let you take it for a test ride? whats the harm? at least you may get a ride on one..

[cheese]

wife is seven months pregnant, 14mth old boy sleeps the opposite hours to me and hits me on the head with the tv remote if I lie on the sofa.

Anyway what this thing Barty was telling me about that you do with your buttocks when ridding? And I don't mean the time you came back from gizzy with a rubber still left between them?

LOL brutal little bugger isn't he. We are lucky jack still sleeps from 7 till 7.

I have no idea what you are on about in regards to my buttocks????? What the fuck are you poofs doing discussing my ass anyway?

[Danger]

EXC300 with a tall seat is my recommendation, very easy to ride although not the type of power delivery I like so best you try one first. Usually I like to avoid the 250 and recommend either the 200 or the 300 depending on what sort of power delivery suits your style, but the 200 will be physically too small for you so if you don't like the 300 power delivery you might like to try the 250.

Steering dampers are not needed with correct bike set up on the KTM, but they are nice to have on any bike and I prefer to use them regardless of the bike I'm riding. I recommend a change of triple clamps before the damper on the KTM, I use both. The good thing with the damper is it can be used on future bikes you have with a change of fitting kit, the triple clamps can only be used on future KTM's but once you ride orange your unlikely to go back.

You should factor in a change of springs on a KTM, they are very sensitive to correct spring rate and geometry set up and should be the first investment before clamps or dampers but all three will enable you to get the most out of your new bike.

[kezzafish]

cheers Danger. What's the rear spring gonna be worth if i have to change it? I found this one and it has the right spring in it for me. A little stretch on the budget but could possibly be done. What do you's recon? anyone know this bike/owner

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-205174091.htm

[Hemex]

LOL brutal little bugger isn't he. We are lucky jack still sleeps from 7 till 7.

I have no idea what you are on about in regards to my buttocks????? What the fuck are you poofs doing discussing my ass anyway?


cheers Danger. What's the rear spring gonna be worth if i have to change it? I found this one and it has the right spring in it for me. A little stretch on the budget but could possibly be done. What do you's recon? anyone know this bike/owner

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-205174091.htm

hahahaha ... Reading 2 completely independent conversations... one to do with homo's talking about buttocks and the other about a homo buying himself a new 'Carrot'.... :lol::lol::lol:

[dammad1]

cheers Danger. What's the rear spring gonna be worth if i have to change it? I found this one and it has the right spring in it for me. A little stretch on the budget but could possibly be done. What do you's recon? anyone know this bike/owner

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-205174091.htm

That looks tidy, also looks good in black. But if you want to stretch your budget a little more you can buy my 300.

[dammad1]

EXC300 with a tall seat is my recommendation, very easy to ride although not the type of power delivery I like so best you try one first. Usually I like to avoid the 250 and recommend either the 200 or the 300 depending on what sort of power delivery suits your style, but the 200 will be physically too small for you so if you don't like the 300 power delivery you might like to try the 250.

Steering dampers are not needed with correct bike set up on the KTM, but they are nice to have on any bike and I prefer to use them regardless of the bike I'm riding. I recommend a change of triple clamps before the damper on the KTM, I use both. The good thing with the damper is it can be used on future bikes you have with a change of fitting kit, the triple clamps can only be used on future KTM's but once you ride orange your unlikely to go back.

You should factor in a change of springs on a KTM, they are very sensitive to correct spring rate and geometry set up and should be the first investment before clamps or dampers but all three will enable you to get the most out of your new bike.

Hey Danger what's the big advantage with the different triple clamps? I have often thought it would look nice with aftermarket ones but didn't know if they would make a great difference.

[kezzafish]

That looks tidy, also looks good in black. But if you want to stretch your budget a little more you can buy my 300.

yeah i'm really stretching to do 8g. Gonna have to get a credit card to pay for it. Yours has to be worth 10 dunnit? i can't do that. I can't really do 8 but it's just so right! lol

[Reckless]

Jeepers tall seat and all, perfect for you. Looks good in black and that would have cost him a few bucks. Looking at the pile of used tyres in the background of one pic he does a fair bit of riding but 100hrs is probably about right for a year! $8.5K is certainly not a steal but you won't have to do a thing to it for your weight and height. I paid way way less than that for mine but still have to spend $800-00 or so on the suspension.
Zapping out a credit card to buy a bike seems a bit risky mate. Careful Kezz there's tough times upon us, your job guaranteed?
Just some advice from an old fart!!!

[kezzafish]

yeah it is perfect for me. pretty much exactly what i want and had a piston 10hrs ago. The 300 would be good too. 1 question. Does the 08 250exc have elec start? i thought it did but there's no mention of it on this auction.

Cheers Reck, i know what your sayin. No my job isn't guaranteed, they're talking about redundancies over the next month but i can't help myself. I'm a shocking impulse buyer and i see stuff and just have to have it (kinda like a girl actually)

It doesn't help that the bank called me and offered me the card. Would much rather put it against the house/mortgage but i think i've already stretched that to it's limit.

Jeezus, what a dire state of affairs

[dammad1]

yeah it is perfect for me. pretty much exactly what i want and had a piston 10hrs ago. The 300 would be good too. 1 question. Does the 08 250exc have elec start? i thought it did but there's no mention of it on this auction.

Cheers Reck, i know what your sayin. No my job isn't guaranteed, they're talking about redundancies over the next month but i can't help myself. I'm a shocking impulse buyer and i see stuff and just have to have it (kinda like a girl actually)

It doesn't help that the bank called me and offered me the card. Would much rather put it against the house/mortgage but i think i've already stretched that to it's limit.

Jeezus, what a dire state of affairs

the 08 250 doesn't have the estart but you can put one on if you wish, I think the 09 comes standard with it.

I think 8500 is a pretty good price for a bike that is only a year old, the 200's may be a bit cheaper but they also are are bit cheaper from new.

There was a 08 300 on trademe about a week ago that had quite a few bids and ended at $9350 you can check the expired auctions to get some idea.

[camchain]

If you're on faster fire breaks a lot, sounds like you may be better off with one of the bigger engines kezza.

The 200 is geared pretty low though (standard = 14/48). Wish 5th and especially 6th was a little taller geared. I'm keeping an eye out for a mythical 46t rear. Will help to widen up the ratios a touch as well. Standard gearing is fine 90% of the time, but it's revving pretty hard at what feels like about 90-100kph. Generally use 2nd gear in place of first, but the crawler first gear is very handy for the real snotty bits. The bike is a star in the more technical stuff. In the 'Uh-Oh' bits where I think I might not get through, or up and over - The bike just seems to dance over obstacles. Sometimes it just amazes me with what it can do, and I'm a very average rider. Great for the ego (and more importantly, energy levels) to finesse past a couple of stuck bikes. Even considering my current stroppy PV issue.

I'm 80kg and find power-wise the 200 has plenty, 95% of the time, but in deeper sand and on steep climbs in higher gears I sometimes wish for a bit more outright grunt. But then I got the 200 in pref to larger engine as I wanted a challenging bike to ride, something that forced me to sharpen up my riding a bit (no offence to sharp riders on bigger bikes). I also like to feel I'm able to use 'all' of the bike. Throttle to the stop on the 200 feels plenty exciting - I reckon a pinned 300 might cause me excessive sphincter tension and more war-wounds than my vet meat and bones can handle. Maybe if I was 25 instead of 45.

I'm 6'. 200 a bit cramped when first got it but have moved bar clamp all the way forward. bar rotated foward as well and is OK now.

This article well worth a read. The 200 really is an impressive bike and the stop watch doesn't lie.
http://www.ktmworld.com/view_news_article.asp?id=16

Hmmm. Server appears to be down on above site at the mo' - will leave link in case it comes back online. Have article saved but a bit longish to post here. PM if you want it emailed kezza. Test was a bunch of guys doing timed loop on their own bikes and also trying fleet of new KTMS. Many riders were faster on the 200 and got a big surprise.

[tnarg]

That bike looks awesome and has had the suspension done. I see the start bid $8450 so I wonder what the reserve would be.
The guy said theres an mx track down the road for testing, so who's keen to help Kezza out and take it for a test spin?

[tnarg]

Bummer you cant stretch to this. Not a big fan of gas gas but this looks trick.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-197512636.htm

[Reckless]

Bugger me Cham where did you find that!!!
I bloody told you the 200 was the most underated bike and even after the testers rode it! Stop watch doesn't lie haha.
Thank god I listend to Danger when I chose which bike to buy! The mans a fucking god with his knowledge and suspension work!!

I liked this bit:
Consider that our average rider weighed 196.88 lbs, far too heavy for the stock suspension on the
ultra light 200, and every single test rider owned a bike bigger than the 200cc KTM, most owning a
450 four stroke, but they still went fastest on the KTM 200XCW the first time they ever rode it!

Several riders went 2 to 3 minutes faster on the 200
than their own bike, and one rider cut a lap time 4 minutes faster on the KTM 200 compared to their own bike.
Consider that our average rider weighed 196.88 lbs, far too heavy for the stock suspension.

Oh and this bit
Did we answer the question of which brand and which size bike, 2-stroke or 4-stroke is best?
Despite popular belief that a big 4-stroke is best, the stop watch does not
lie, and our test showed the 2-stroke KTM 200 makes most riders a hero, right out of the box, first
ride, and the KTM 300 is right on its heels for making a hero out of a typical rider.

Can't wait to get my suspension done now! ye ha made my day that did!

[kezzafish]

and our test showed the 2-stroke KTM 200 makes most riders a hero, right out of the box

i think this is a typo. they meant to say " the KTM 200 turns cool riders into hero parade entrants. hah

[Reckless]

i think this is a typo. they meant to say " the KTM 200 turns cool riders into hero parade entrants. hah

OK I'll play your silly game

Edited for Kezza!!

and our test showed the 2-stroke KTM 200 makes most riders a homo, right out of the box, first ride,
and the KTM 300 is right on its heels for making a homo out of a typical rider.

Happy now!!!!LOL!!!

[telliman]

those 300's are ugly bikes, can they turn corners?

[kezzafish]

Bummer you cant stretch to this. Not a big fan of gas gas but this looks trick.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-197512636.htm

cheers. i'll have a looksie when i get home and off the blockerised computer

[barty5]

those 300's are ugly bikes, can they turn corners?

NO not with out a dampner and a shit load spent on suspension KTM blah blah blah yardy yayayayayayaayayaayayayayaayayayaayayayayyayayayay ayayayaayayyayayayayayayayayaya

Fuck it ill say it if your going to buy a 200 just a get a kdx200 thats what your all thinking same bike different colour with out the suspension costs

[flyingcr250]

NO not with out a dampner and a shit load spent on suspension KTM blah blah blah yardy yayayayayayaayayaayayayayaayayayaayayayayyayayayay ayayayaayayyayayayayayayayayaya

Fuck it ill say it if your going to buy a 200 just a get a kdx200 thats what your all thinking same bike different colour with out the suspension costs

my 300exc corners pretty well, only spent an hour dialing in my suspention, ill never go back to a mx style bike, gets along the trails and mx track no worries at all :jerry:

[kezzafish]

those 300's are ugly bikes, can they turn corners?

who cares about corners when they look this cool
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-205174091.htm

This thread was never about functionality or economics. It's all about which bike will best provide the illusion that i have a massive cock

[Reckless]

It's all about which bike will best provide the illusion that i have a massive cock

Oh! Everyone that rides a pumpkin has a big Whanger mate as soon as you write the cheque, just wait!! :o :tugger:

[camchain]

Heh. I found that article a while before I bought mine Reckless. Have to say it did sway me a fair bit. Is 200 mania a treatable medical disorder? Maybe sufferers can be treated by wearing XXL 'Y' fronts (In Hero parade?).

Kezza you crack me up you mad bastard. Can't advise on illusion of large member as I've never had to create that illusion myself.

[dammad1]

NO not with out a dampner and a shit load spent on suspension KTM blah blah blah yardy yayayayayayaayayaayayayayaayayayaayayayayyayayayay ayayayaayayyayayayayayayayayaya

Fuck it ill say it if your going to buy a 200 just a get a kdx200 thats what your all thinking same bike different colour with out the suspension costs

Man owning a Yamaha really has a way of making you bitter. :wari:

[barty5]

Man owning a Yamaha really has a way of making you bitter. :wari:

No not really just sick of how everyone seams to think on the 7th day god made ktm wake up he didnt more chance he went to the pub.

[Ktmboy]

those 300's are ugly bikes, can they turn corners?
Is the Pope catholic...does it rain at Whenuapai...do chickens have lips..did Bill dooo Monique (ah, was Hilary watching LOL)
Yep, you know telliman.

Not that shit hot around a MX track though.

It doesn't cost that much to make them black. This cost about 600 hundy.

[camchain]

KTMboy if your mean lookin bike could talk, it would probably say "Luke - I am your father."
(Very nice work on the graphics red rider)

Does a bear wear a funny hat? Does the pope shit in the woods? Yes, then he pulls up his giant Y fronts and jumps back on his orange bike. Confirmed sighting of Woodhills infamous undie man?

Hmmm, I think God may have gone to the pub just BEFORE he designed the KTM airbox... moves in mysterious ways.

[kezzafish]

Hmmm, I think God may have gone to the pub just BEFORE he designed the KTM airbox... moves in mysterious ways.

yeah then he got trollied and started poppin off jap bikes

[camchain]

Lucky I'm wearing my incontinence nappy under the y fronts. Nearly pissed myself on that one kezza.

[kezzafish]

he he heeee, i'm gonna bring some seriousness back soon. Just gotta get away from work so i can put my choice pics up.

Crazycr250... seems like you got a good deal on that bike. Can't find any 05 300s but a few 03-04s are askin for 5-7 grand. I'm gonna go test ride one of those hopefully.

My favourite is still the black 08 250. But my choice pic is the 07 6 days 250 that barty showed me. $6000 seems a good price when others are askin 7500 for non 6 dayers. Anyone know what extras come with the 6 days model? Doesn't look like much except uglier graphics and hand guards?

[noobi]

In recent years Six Day KTM EXC`s have been more than just cosmetic upgrades.....this is what was done to the "Taupo NZ" version of 06 models?

1. Features
The KTM Six Days models are EXC motorcycles in competition style based on the model line for 2007 and equipped with special SIX DAYS features.

> * All models will have the black powder coated frame
> * New wheels with black rims
> * New KTM EXC Six - Days decor 2006 Lake Taupo New Zealand
> * KTM "Six Days" XC suspension
> * Fork bleeding set
> * Engine and silencer are unrestricted
> * Competition number plate carrier
> * Six Days seat Including pocket for the timecard
> * Plastic headlight
> * Handlebar cushion
> * Without flashers
> * Racing mirror
> * Stealth rear sprocket
> * 2-stroke models with DOMA SXS exhaust pipe and and Six Days silencer
> * Air box cover with K&N insert for 4 stroke EXC Racing motorcycles
> * Skid plate with quick release fastener for 4 stroke EXC Racing motorcycles
> * Front axle pull - Facilitates demounting the front wheel
> * Triple clamp CNC machined Orange (SXS), adjustable offset 18 or 20 mm
> * PHDS - Progressive Handlebar Damping System
> * MX - Handguards
> * Exhaust heat protector for 4 stroke EXC Racing motorcycles
> * Race Parts Kit (shift lever, foot brake lever, spark plug, brake lever, clutch lever, chain sprocket bolts).

Homework is is boring, bikes are not

[kezzafish]

In recent years Six Day KTM EXC`s have been more than just cosmetic upgrades.....this is what was done to the "Taupo NZ" version of 06 models?


cool, thanks noob, I shall bling ya ming. I checked that stuff over on the 6 day bike i'm keen on. I didn't think any of NZ bikes were engine or exhaust restricted But the expansion chanber on this bike is black and all the others i've seen are silver. Anyone know the diff?

Also, i figured it was an 06... he has it advertised as an 07. He probably picked the thing up at the Auction after Taupo for less than he's asking for it!

[noobi]

Apparently I should change my username because im no longer a noob, and its decieving people :2guns:

[telliman]

Apparently I should change my username because im no longer a noob, and its decieving people :2guns:

you could change it to "grasshopper",...

[flyingcr250]

cool, thanks noob, I shall bling ya ming. I checked that stuff over on the 6 day bike i'm keen on. I didn't think any of NZ bikes were engine or exhaust restricted But the expansion chanber on this bike is black and all the others i've seen are silver. Anyone know the diff?

Also, i figured it was an 06... he has it advertised as an 07. He probably picked the thing up at the Auction after Taupo for less than he's asking for it!

i looked at that 6-days one, its been on trademe for a while, i had my heart set on a 300 though.

[flyingcr250]

heres another 300

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-199387624.htm

[kezzafish]

i looked at that 6-days one, its been on trademe for a while, i had my heart set on a 300 though.

did you look at it like in real life sorta thing (if ya know what i mean)? what was the seller like? old fukker? loaded? and other info on it? it looks kinda well used... how would you rate it's condition say compared to yours? didn't ride it did ya?

Yeah, in the back of my mind i'm still considering the 200 although the more i think about it the less i like the idea. what i really want is that 08 250. Age is kinda more important to me than 50cc. In saying that i would definately go for the 300 if the prices were better. There's not too many around tho (for sale that is)

Grasshopper is a brilliant name for ya noob. or you could change it to booby? in all seriousness tho, go for grasshopper. We'll see if we can get reckless to change his name to Mr Miaggi

[flyingcr250]

did you look at it like in real life sorta thing (if ya know what i mean)? what was the seller like? old fukker? loaded? and other info on it? it looks kinda well used... how would you rate it's condition say compared to yours? didn't ride it did ya?

Yeah, in the back of my mind i'm still considering the 200 although the more i think about it the less i like the idea. what i really want is that 08 250. Age is kinda more important to me than 50cc. In saying that i would definately go for the 300 if the prices were better. There's not too many around tho (for sale that is)

Grasshopper is a brilliant name for ya noob. or you could change it to booby? in all seriousness tho, go for grasshopper. We'll see if we can get reckless to change his name to Mr Miaggi

na didnt look at it in real life.
cave weta came up with Masport as a new name for noobi. :jerry:

[noobi]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-205427029.htm

I dunno if this one has already been posted, it was listed on tm today

Grasshopper is not bad actually, but can you change names without creating a new account

[warewolf]

Grasshopper is not bad actually, but can you change names without creating a new accountPM a mod, or check in 'site stuff' forum or site rules for a request thread or the rules/ how to do it etc.

[Reckless]

We'll see if we can get reckless to change his name to Mr Miaggi

Sorry mate I've had Reckless Since i was 20 or so. !! So bloody long I've got to old to be riding recklessly anymore!!

Why Mr Miaggi? you mad bugger LOL!!! I have a suspicion I shouldn't have asked that!!

[Paulus]

Yeah, in the back of my mind i'm still considering the 200 although the more i think about it the less i like the idea. what i really want is that 08 250. Age is kinda more important to me than 50cc. In saying that i would definately go for the 300 if the prices were better. There's not too many around tho (for sale that is)



I was in the same boat as you looking for a 07 or newer KTM 250 or 300 and I was getting nowhere. I ended up getting a brand new 07 Husky WR250 for $7995. There were also some cheap 07 Gassers around. Read some of the 250 enduro shootouts and you'll see there is very little between them really - certainly not enough to support the high 2nd hand prices on the KTMs. Might still be some of those $7995 Gas Gas or Husqvarna 250s sitting in a dealer somewhere (1 month back Maidstone Yamaha still had a Husky).

[Buddy L]

Grasshopper is not bad actually, but can you change names without creating a new account


PM a mod, or check in 'site stuff' forum or site rules for a request thread or the rules/ how to do it etc.

Yes, I changed my name from 2smoke as their is another chap on here with the name 2smoker.
I just emailed "spankme"(website owner) with the name i want to change to and he sorted it out. without starting a new account:shifty:

[barty5]

if i where you i would hold out till you can afford what you want i did had no bike for four months after i sold the 426 but worth it. I dont think youll be happy on a 200 going from the 450 youl find your self tryin to sell that due to lack of power and wanting the 300.

[kezzafish]

yeah ya probably right barty but i can't see myself affording what i want anytime soon so i'll have to take a hit if i decide to go ahead with the change. I am not gonna buy a 200 now i think but i'd really like to ride one anyway

Went to look at this this arvo
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=205427029
Man was it rough. 101 hours my ass. Motominders are tools for liers to use when selling their bikes they should be stamp dated or something. Went for a hoon and the power seems strong on the bright side. Just gotta find a tidier more modern one. Hmmmmm i wish i could find a 250 near by to test

[noobi]

not really close but I think it fits
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-204931690.htm

[kezzafish]

not really close but I think it fits
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-204931690.htm

yeah, cheers. It's on my watchlist. It's fukken far to go for a test ride but it looks like a decent buy.

On a nother note... that 6 days one... what a special cunt... I talked about it on here... he raised the asking price by 1000... i told him i was no longer interested unless he went back to his original price... he withdrew it? Helllooo... Mr 6 dayer?... what's your KB user name buddy?

[noobi]

On a nother note... that 6 days one... what a special cunt... I talked about it on here... he raised the asking price by 1000... i told him i was no longer interested unless he went back to his original price... he withdrew it? Helllooo... Mr 6 dayer?... what's your KB user name buddy?

Whata DICKHEAD, he mustve known what the six days meant, fuck the shops seem to insist on those models over the regular ones.
You may be able to talk someone on here into test riding it for you who lives in auckland
:2guns:

[barty5]

yeah, cheers. It's on my watchlist. It's fukken far to go for a test ride but it looks like a decent buy.

On a nother note... that 6 days one... what a special cunt... I talked about it on here... he raised the asking price by 1000... i told him i was no longer interested unless he went back to his original price... he withdrew it? Helllooo... Mr 6 dayer?... what's your KB user name buddy?

I duno know there are some cheap arse flights around $54 each way could spend more than that on one night on the piss i dont have a spare bed but someone here would put yah up for a night might even find a spare bike floatin around then you could make a weekend out of it.

[kezzafish]

hah.. yeah, could go see me big bro and he could kick my ass all day round woodhill. KTMboy... using your 300 this week? lol

[Hemex]

hah.. yeah, could go see me big bro and he could kick my ass all day round woodhill. KTMboy... using your 300 this week? lol

So you coming or not? Or too scared of the brother? :laugh:
This weekend woodhill will be good...

[barty5]

theres allways cheeses bike it wont be being used.

[kezzafish]

ha haaa, funny you mention cheese cos i've got a wedding to go to this weekend... lol... no shit. I'm gonna be patient and keep looking. I don't want to sell my bike then go looking cos i couldn't live without something to take my boredom out on.... hmmm if only the motard hadn't gone walkies. I don't think i'd make the trip up there without havin the cash to walk away with the bike. KTMboy mentioned something about a KDX200 if i come up but big bro has a couple too. You'll hear about it here if i do come. I'm gonna teach MXsheman to crash more spectacularly. Ha.

I knocked myself out bouncing my head off the ground up karapoti on Sunday. Man it was slippery. We found the Enduro course in reverse (not allowed on that land) then we heard chainsaws then trees started falling over on the track in front of us... bounced over 1 tree, bounced over 2, bounced off the ground, bounced on the ground, YZF450 bounced off the SXF, Dave bounced off the Kerry. twas bouncey

[cheese]

theres allways cheeses bike it wont be being used.

Na he couldn't handle the power. I don't want to be held responsible for poor old Kezza hurting himself.

Seesh you guys turn pavs, fuel and wedding comments into huge talking points.......:Pokey:

[the vet]

Shouldn't these bikes have ODO with engine hours and mileage on the odo? Mine did in the States. I don't think I could have changed the ODO engine hours if I wanted to....unless the battery dies and is not replaced I guess.

Went to look at this this arvo
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=205427029
Man was it rough. 101 hours my ass. Motominders are tools for liers to use when selling their bikes they should be stamp dated or something. Went for a hoon and the power seems strong on the bright side. Just gotta find a tidier more modern one. Hmmmmm i wish i could find a 250 near by to test[/QUOTE]

[Hemex]

MXsheman to crash more spectacularly. Ha.


MXsheman... hahaha... homo.. But yeah I need some expert coaching from you...psycho bouncer :wari:

[Hemex]

Seesh you guys turn pavs, fuel and wedding comments into huge talking points.......:Pokey:

I think its more that anything YOU say becomes a conversation piece..all in good humour though.. :Punk:

To make up for it.. we'll all buy you some fresh fuel :eek: :shifty:

[REDRIDER]

whats that I hear, Kezz coming to Dorkland, I think flyingcr250 was too. sounds like be a busy KB day up the sandpit

[Hemex]

whats that I hear, Kezz coming to Dorkland, I think flyingcr250 was too. sounds like be a busy KB day up the sandpit

You going this weekend Darryl? I'm hoping to get some work done during the week and If I can then hopefully make it on sunday..

[REDRIDER]

You going this weekend Darryl? I'm hoping to get some work done during the week and If I can then hopefully make it on sunday..

Yeah need my weekly fix, but Ill probably go saturday sat morn, tracks are virtually untouched. gates open at 9.00, unless KTMgirl sleeps in.....wait for it...

[barty5]

You going this weekend Darryl? I'm hoping to get some work done during the week and If I can then hopefully make it on sunday..

so your not comin on the mr motorcycles ride then theres a few of us going

[REDRIDER]

so your not comin on the mr motorcycles ride then theres a few of us going

cant ride sunday mate and got a few things to sort up the sandpit. Must get along to a MM ride at some point they sound pretty good.

[Hemex]

so your not comin on the mr motorcycles ride then theres a few of us going

I did think I'd come to it with all you guys.. I thought I saw a post on it being on the harder side not really being for newbie's...besides I have to finish heaps of work... that'll decide how much time I have off :(

[REDRIDER]

:Offtopic: but... did you guys get any Dirt division stickers sorted. ive gotta get some stuff more done shortly, could run ewes some more for upper forks on mx materials, can have'em at cost. "if im allowed"

[cheese]

Yeah if I finish making pavs out of stale fuel at the wedding while recovering from a stag do I'll think about what its like to ride my bike that puts out 100hp (cause its a CR).

[barty5]

Yeah if I finish making pavs out of stale fuel at the wedding while recovering from a stag do I'll think about what its like to ride my bike that puts out 100hp (cause its a CR).

shit thats some wicked mods youve done watch out keza. dose the fuel make it xtra lighht and fluffy.

[barty5]

:Offtopic: but... did you guys get any Dirt division stickers sorted. ive gotta get some stuff more done shortly, could run ewes some more for upper forks on mx materials, can have'em at cost. "if im allowed"

you want to come out on sunday tomr m/cycles ride plenty a room have two trailers to choose from if hemex wants to come as well.

[Hemex]

you want to come out on sunday tomr m/cycles ride plenty a room have two trailers to choose from if hemex wants to come as well.

Will let you know saturday evening mate...thanks!

[B0000M]

Went to look at this this arvo
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=205427029
Man was it rough. 101 hours my ass. Motominders are tools for liers to use when selling their bikes they should be stamp dated or something. Went for a hoon and the power seems strong on the bright side. Just gotta find a tidier more modern one. Hmmmmm i wish i could find a 250 near by to test[/QUOTE]

theres no reason why a bike wouldnt be a complete shitpig at 100 hours. 100 hours is a long time, and without maintenance im sure it would be worse.

i know personally i could absoloutely destroy a bike in 50 hours- im forever replacing things

[vazza]

Gonna be heading to the sandpit this weekend possibly with blackbird etc =D

[flyingcr250]

whats that I hear, Kezz coming to Dorkland, I think flyingcr250 was too. sounds like be a busy KB day up the sandpit

yea ill be up there on sunday, ill even bring my little bucket and pale and make some sand castles. :niceone:

[kezzafish]

theres no reason why a bike wouldnt be a complete shitpig at 100 hours. 100 hours is a long time, and without maintenance im sure it would be worse.

i know personally i could absoloutely destroy a bike in 50 hours- im forever replacing things[/QUOTE]

Quite true as am i. but then you wonder why someone would remove the KTM trip computer with hour meter and install a motominder? [that should answer your question "the vet"] as if you are gonna do that to a brand new bike that comes standard with an hour meter. the guy was talking out his firey scottish arse the whole time. He didn't know what brand oil he used etc etc. i wish i had offered him 50 bucks for it just to piss him off, lol. You should'a' seen this thing. Looked like he kept it locked up in a swamp. It had good compression but i wouldn't know how much it was supposed to have... being a torque not revs boy

On the bright side i've arranged for a 250 to test ride in Palmerston on Friday
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=136937970. They say they'll happily trade mine too so i'll just have to take it up there and see what they offer.

As for comin up to that sweltering hell hole... not likely as i'm a broke ass bitch who's about to get a credit card to pay for a new bike just before i get made redundant... at least i'll have something cool and orange to run to the hills with tho

[dammad1]

theres no reason why a bike wouldnt be a complete shitpig at 100 hours. 100 hours is a long time, and without maintenance im sure it would be worse.

i know personally i could absoloutely destroy a bike in 50 hours- im forever replacing things

Quite true as am i. but then you wonder why someone would remove the KTM trip computer with hour meter and install a motominder? [that should answer your question "the vet"] as if you are gonna do that to a brand new bike that comes standard with an hour meter. the guy was talking out his firey scottish arse the whole time. He didn't know what brand oil he used etc etc. i wish i had offered him 50 bucks for it just to piss him off, lol. You should'a' seen this thing. Looked like he kept it locked up in a swamp. It had good compression but i wouldn't know how much it was supposed to have... being a torque not revs boy

On the bright side i've arranged for a 250 to test ride in Palmerston on Friday
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=136937970. They say they'll happily trade mine too so i'll just have to take it up there and see what they offer.

As for comin up to that sweltering hell hole... not likely as i'm a broke ass bitch who's about to get a credit card to pay for a new bike just before i get made redundant... at least i'll have something cool and orange to run to the hills with tho[/QUOTE]

why would a 2007 need a new rod kit already?

[kezzafish]

why would a 2007 need a new rod kit already?


Wow these quote have got all fucke dup.

I don't know and that's a good point. I hadn't taken note of that. I guess the only answer is that it has been siezed?? what'ya recon?

[dammad1]

Wow these quote have got all fucke dup.

I don't know and that's a good point. I hadn't taken note of that. I guess the only answer is that it has been siezed?? what'ya recon?

Yeah something must have gone drastically wrong, but at least if you have a ride of it you will get an idea if you like the power of the 250.

[kezzafish]

Yeah something must have gone drastically wrong, but at least if you have a ride of it you will get an idea if you like the power of the 250.

yeah. that's the idea i guess. Would you not consider a previousely siezed bike? imagining you had a tight budget and big dreams, ha

[dammad1]

yeah. that's the idea i guess. Would you not consider a previousely siezed bike? imagining you had a tight budget and big dreams, ha

I guess it would depend on how well it was fixed, but I guess you won't really know.

[green machine]

I did think I'd come to it with all you guys.. I thought I saw a post on it being on the harder side not really being for newbie's...besides I have to finish heaps of work... that'll decide how much time I have off :(

Hey it's not too bad mate......i was a complete newbie last year and got around okay(couple of spills of course).....although the boys were on their third beer by the time i rolled into the carpark

[B0000M]

an 07 couldve had a rod kit as someone who loves doing maintenance,,, but it doesnt sound like this is one of those owners...

also didnt realise they have factory hour meter. sounds dodgey to me

[barty5]

there was a batch of ktms that came out had a factory fault and they were changed by the dealers as they were sold or when brought back. also pending on the hours when i was helping rupe lookin at bikes local ktm dealer said that once they got up to 80 hrs it was de to be changed out.

[Rupe]

there was a batch of ktms that came out had a factory fault and they were changed by the dealers as they were sold or when brought back. also pending on the hours when i was helping rupe lookin at bikes local ktm dealer said that once they got up to 80 hrs it was de to be changed out.

Yeah that was the 250 sxf though, which sounded like an over-engineered heap of shit. Looked nice though:innocent:

[secondfield]

Hey ballbags, while your in palmy on friday try this one out too, wouldnt mind hearing how she runs.. :crazy:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=205477703

[clmintie]

Hey it's not too bad mate......i was a complete newbie last year and got around okay(couple of spills of course).....although the boys were on their third beer by the time i rolled into the carpark


But now of course, it's you who roosts them.... :2thumbsup

[kezzafish]

Cooool. just sold my camera on trade me. No one had bid on it all week but in the last 13 minutes of the auction it went from 600 (start price and reserve) to 730... more for the EXC fund wooohooo

[green machine]

But now of course, it's you who roosts them.... :2thumbsup
Hahaha that's right Phil......revenge is sweet :2guns:

[Buddy L]

Cooool. just sold my camera on trade me. No one had bid on it all week but in the last 13 minutes of the auction it went from 600 (start price and reserve) to 730... more for the EXC fund wooohooo


Thats good news, i can't even sell couches for a dollar on their:blink:
I need rear tyre funds.

[Oper8r]

I want an exc... i've moaned about my bike for too long. I don't want to take a technology drop so it has to be an 07. There are no 300s for sale and i think they're out of my price range anyway so i'm looking at 07 exc 200s and 250s. There's quite a few 200s on there and the price is usually around 6000 there's only a couple 250s and they're around 7000. I'm erring on the side of the 250 just because i like big whollop. What i'm really asking for here is the advice of anyone who's ridden both or either models. Is the 250 gonna have better low grunt and less snappy annoyingness then the 200? Arguments for both models will be appreciated

Cheers

jeez, finally giving it up aye. Check them out on youtube, you can see/hear anything there. Will be interested to see what you think if you get to ride a 250 vs your 450. For the record, I am after an 08 250 EXC, if anyone has got a mint second hand one, 'one woman rider' etc, let me know, could be tempted

[dammad1]

Cooool. just sold my camera on trade me. No one had bid on it all week but in the last 13 minutes of the auction it went from 600 (start price and reserve) to 730... more for the EXC fund wooohooo

You keep selling things and you may be able to scrap enough together for mine yet. LOL

[barty5]

best advice i can give is work out how far away from target you are with selling yours for reasonable price. If it not to unrealistic sell it and start savin it will be the best motvation youll get not havin a bike just dont do what some do and go arh fuck it and buy 1st that comes along hold out and get what you really want, I did it came up with 5g real quick with no bike to ride.

[noobi]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-206545449.htm

heres a well priced 07 gasgas 300, and its local
looks like it has an after market front rotor( standard ones arnt wave rotors )

[kezzafish]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-206545449.htm

heres a well priced 07 gasgas 300, and its local
looks like it has an after market front rotor( standard ones arnt wave rotors )

Cheers grasshopper, that'll be worth a looksie. I'll head down to motorrad tomorrow (it's at a bike shop).

I had a good look at the 07 250exc in palmy and a wee hoon up and down the road on it and was impressed by the power delivery... was nice but definately doesn't have mega boogy up top of the revs it really runs out of puff. The torque is nice from low tho and i recon it'd be just what i want in terms of power, suspension seemed a bit slow and gay but i only rode it on the road. I'd definately go for the 08 one on trade me at an extra 1000 with all the suspension work and all the factory new shit that the 08s come with. The 07 is supposedly a bit of a dog for suspension and they changed it big time along with the frame for 08.

The reason they gave for the con rod being changed was simply cos it's the easy way to do the big end bearing... said the con rod was only 60-70 bucks so people normally just do it as part of the service. Guy with the 08 has done the same so that kinda confirms it for me.

The owner of the 08 (the mean ass black one that i love) is gonna be at the Akitio enduro (expert class) so he said he'll gimme a hoon on it after the enduro and hopefully by then i'll know if i'm gonna be made redundant and will be able to borrow some cash.

He was a cool dude to talk to actually. He's done the ISDE in greece and romaniacs and all sorts so some folk on here will probably know who he is.

I'm gonna do some work on my bike and will do Akitio on it. not gonna ride before then i think 'cos money's tight and i've lots of bike work to do.

Cheers for the tip Barty. if after the 3rd round of the enduro (3rd round is on the weekend after the 2nd round-Akitio) 08 guy hasn't sold and i haven't lost my job (won't be doing any enduro if that happens) i'm gonna list mine for cheap and go hard on the saving... or maybe go hard on the borrowing. lol

Yeah dammed, it's gonna be pretty lucky if all my plan comes together so i may be turning to you (and begging harder at the bank) after round 3. Will keep ya's in the loooop

[barty5]

Just outa interest mate of mine has just rebuilt a exc250 with a 280 kit on it for his son, if you were thinkin of going that way reakons after riding his 450 its as good as any 450 nice and light and has lotsa power and real good right through the whole rev range so much so he has gone and bought a newer 08 version and going to do the same thing to it for himself and selling his 09 530

[Rupe]

Hey kezza just get one of these. Ideal for homo adventures with your gay mates.

[kezzafish]

pffffft ha ha hardy ha. fuck you're a slag. wanna fuck sometime?

My orange bike achieves every gay thing that the pink quad does and more

[secondfield]

Hey kezza just get one of these. Ideal for homo adventures with your gay mates.

Hey buddy .. That better not be me your fk'n talking about! ... we split up ages ago :shit:

[kezzafish]

Just outa interest mate of mine has just rebuilt a exc250 with a 280 kit on it for his son, if you were thinkin of going that way reakons after riding his 450 its as good as any 450 nice and light and has lotsa power and real good right through the whole rev range so much so he has gone and bought a newer 08 version and going to do the same thing to it for himself and selling his 09 530

yeah that sounds interesting. people were saying earlier in this thread that you could 300 a 250 pretty simply too, just a matter of money. I don't think i'd bother. Would be happy just to kick ass through the tight stuff on my 250

[kezzafish]

Hey buddy .. That better not be me your fk'n talking about! ... we split up ages ago :shit:

the pink quad is pretty gay but it's got nothing on your faggot mobile. ya fucking poof.

werd

[secondfield]

Would be happy just to kick ass through the tight stuff on my 250

As long as their isn't anything remotely resembling a 'puddle' in the way.. :girlfight:

[Reckless]

Just outa interest mate of mine has just rebuilt a exc250 with a 280 kit on it for his son, if you were thinkin of going that way reakons after riding his 450 its as good as any 450 nice and light and has lotsa power and real good right through the whole rev range so much so he has gone and bought a newer 08 version and going to do the same thing to it for himself and selling his 09 530


yeah that sounds interesting. people were saying earlier in this thread that you could 300 a 250 pretty simply too, just a matter of money. I don't think i'd bother. Would be happy just to kick ass through the tight stuff on my 250


Don't know enough about the engines but the Chassis are the same for the 250 an 300 so I don't see the advantage in turning a 250 into a 280 you might as well buy the 300 straight off. If the gearboxes etc are the same with different barrels again you might as well, just get the 300exc. Others may like to comment who know better but that's my take on it.

[Danger]

Never heard of a 280 kit for a 250EXC, seems like a waste of good money. There is a 280 kit for the 250EXCF and also for most of the 250 two stroke MX bikes for added torque but when KTM already has a 300 available I can't see the point of doing it to a 250EXC.

[barty5]

sorry my bad its an F

[Rupe]

sorry my bad its an F

Yeah he said it gave it more grunt down low than the standard 250 exc-F but was still nice light and easy to throw around.

[Rupe]

pffffft ha ha hardy ha. fuck you're a slag. wanna fuck sometime?

My orange bike achieves every gay thing that the pink quad does and more

Nah I'll pass thanks. Think it's funny how the longest thread I've seen is about you not being able to make your mind up.

Some helpful advice would be that you're not going to be able to really tell if you like the bike buy going up and down a road. You need to own it and take it to a few rides. Just hunt out a good bargin and if you decide you don't like it you won't lose any money.

[cheese]

Why don't you just spend some money on getting your suspension set up for you better. I think that you would be better off money wise.

[kezzafish]

Nah I'll pass thanks. Think it's funny how the longest thread I've seen is about you not being able to make your mind up.

Some helpful advice would be that you're not going to be able to really tell if you like the bike buy going up and down a road. You need to own it and take it to a few rides. Just hunt out a good bargin and if you decide you don't like it you won't lose any money.

I recon it's much better to figure it out proper and make a good decision


Why don't you just spend some money on getting your suspension set up for you better. I think that you would be better off money wise.

yeah have ummmmd and ahhhhhd over it but my bike needs suspension work, power curve tameing and a 5 speed gearbox with more useable ratios. Much easier to just buy a well suited bike

[barty5]

I recon it's much better to figure it out proper and make a good decision



yeah have ummmmd and ahhhhhd over it but my bike needs suspension work, power curve tameing and a 5 speed gearbox with more useable ratios. Much easier to just buy a well suited bike

most prob dont realise yours is only 4 gears

[cheese]

Hmm so you have really wide gears.....

Yeah I'd look out for a tidy EXC 300 and try to get as much as you can for your bike.

[Reckless]

Hmm so you have really wide gears.....

Yeah I'd look out for a tidy EXC 300 and try to get as much as you can for your bike.

Tell you what though cheese. On the beach sprint section of the Mr moto ride had the 200 totally tapped on the smooth wet black sand and it was doin OK against my mates wr450 and the Husabrg 450. Standard gearing and 100kg rider on the little thing I was expecting to get thrashed. Slowly passed the WR and held the Husaberg, I don't know if they where ringing it out as hard as me? But the thing just keeps surprising me!

But I agree with Cheese, Kazza! If your riding enduro an exc is a much better choice than a SX.

[dammad1]

Tell you what though cheese. On the beach sprint section of the Mr moto ride had the 200 totally tapped on the smooth wet black sand and it was doin OK against my mates wr450 and the Husabrg 450. Standard gearing and 100kg rider on the little thing I was expecting to get thrashed. Slowly passed the WR and held the Husaberg, I don't know if they where ringing it out as hard as me? But the thing just keeps surprising me!

But I agree with Cheese, Kazza! If your riding enduro an exc is a much better choice than a SX.

Beauty of that six speed.

[vazza]

Managed to pick up a 2008 200EXCE today.. Only 8 hours on the clock.. got a sweet deal to :)

Pickup this week, gonna see how she goes at woody :P Thats where the next TTR is!

[Reckless]

cool mate you'll like it I reckon.

Pics mate!!!

[vazza]

Yeah mate should be sweet as. Really stoked =)

Comes with scotts steering dampener, power curve switch on handle bars, and skidplates etc.

[Reckless]

cool as!! Same as mine!! NO damper on mine and I put the switch on only 25 bucks for a gas gas one, looks genuine on the bars though!

Have a bit of a fiddle with the power valve adjuster bolt to get the power delivery exactly how you want it and you'll love it vazza!

8 hrs thats incredible!

[vazza]

:D!! $25 aint bad! Am yet to have a fiddle with this powervalve thing.. Have no idea what it does :o

Yeh mate pretty much just run in!

Hey one question.. Anyone know where to get those really heavy duty exhaust guards for 2strokes? Im talking the big bars that wrap round your pipe, not the little wrap around skeleton ones..

[kezzafish]

Nice Vazza you lucky bastard. What'd ya pay if you don't mind?

[REDRIDER]

Yeah mate should be sweet as. Really stoked =)

Comes with scotts steering dampener, power curve switch on handle bars, and skidplates etc.

Yeehaa, nice one vin, I drooled over that one on trade me for a bit, sandpit sunday mate? cant do sat...

[vazza]

Ahh sorry bro ive already organised with a mate to go out on sat, we're picking up his bike on the way at watsons racing.. otherwise I would change to sunday. Will be there the following weekend! Will keep in touch :)

Around the 8k mark kezza ;D

[Ktmboy]

Ya ya ya, very nice. I see you brought it of da Germans ya?
Just need some guards to protect da finga's ya.

[vazza]

I want one of those heavyduty ones ><? See them alot at GNCC etc

[camchain]

Congrats on the bike. KB exc200 subtribe getting larger. I think Tjebbe Bruin (480 9408) of Waitemata club could make you one of those pipe guards. Bit of work though so it won't be cheap (or light weight). Check out the cool SA made Hyde Developments one as well.

[Reckless]

Ktm do have one, I've seen pics of it??? Do a google.
Big thing attached to the frame. From the looks of the marks that I've polished off the pipe, mine may have had one on before I bought it!

Edit: here ya go http://husaberg.net.au/online_shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=186

[flyingcr250]

Ktm do have one, I've seen pics of it??? Do a google.
Big thing attached to the frame. From the looks of the marks that I've polished off the pipe, mine may have had one on before I bought it!

Edit: here ya go http://husaberg.net.au/online_shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=186

far out thats a mad max looking thing,......i want one......

[krad_nz]

You see them on a lot of 2 strokes that do Erzeburg.

[Rmxer]

Got one of those with my bike but still yet to try it out
real light too dont think you would notice a weight difference

[Reckless]

Got one of those with my bike but still yet to try it out
real light too dont think you would notice a weight difference

Weird ya get it mate? cost much??

[REDRIDER]

I want one of those heavyduty ones ><? See them alot at GNCC etc

Something like this, pm dafydd, http://www.offroadimports.co.nz/user/cimage/HP-EXG-62-R.jpg

[vazza]

That guard wasnt the one I was meaning, but it does look very good. I think the ones im thinking of are homejobs.

Might have to look into the pricing of the above link.

[Reckless]

Something like this, pm dafydd, http://www.offroadimports.co.nz/user/cimage/HP-EXG-62-R.jpg

yeh mate thats it same thing pictured at a different angle. Let us know how much.

[dammad1]

Well i'm officially off to OZ so my 300 is now on trade me.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=209771276

I am certainly going to miss her.:crybaby:

[camchain]

I figured the ones you were thinking of look a bit like a cage formed around the pipe. Just remembered something hard case, a mate said he saw one of these cage jobs on a bike at Riverhead recently. A big branch had gone through between the sections had and flattened the pipe. Sometimes you just can't win!

I love the light weight and 'HR Giger' look of the Hyde one and I especially like the way it sits off the pipe (unlike my ali one) so less prang energy transmitted. Only drawback I can think of is it might be a bit of a mud collector. I had to cut my pipe in half, dolly out the dings then weld back together. A big hassle worth avoiding so I'd love one of these guards.

[camchain]

Whereabouts in OZ are you going dammad? Just curious as I went for a recent scopeout with a view to moving myself.

[secondfield]

Leave the missus behind, take her instead.. :laugh:

[dammad1]

Whereabouts in OZ are you going dammad? Just curious as I went for a recent scopeout with a view to moving myself.

Moving to Brisbane, had a job offer I couldn't refuse so we are going to go for a couple of years to see if we like it.

[dammad1]

Leave the missus behind, take her instead.. :laugh:

I have seriously considered it, if the bike could look after the kids it would be a done deal. LOL

[vazza]

Sick bike dammed!

Thats hilerious camchain haha! Might have to go with the wraparound one..

[camchain]

Good luck Dammad, change is as good as a rest. Hopefully you'll get another bike straight away and give some ride reports. For some reason you have to have a road registered bike to ride off-road on public land.
Hard to recalibrate to massive size of the country after little NZ. Looking at map thinking, right - lets head up to X for the day and uh-oh that's 1500km! Couldn't see myself living there as I realised I'd miss the green fertility of NZ too much.

Sorry back on topic. Yeah Vazza get a bootilicious Hyde one and test it for the rest of us. Be keen to see one close up. BTW watch out for the wierd extra oil drain plug (right side) on your new KTM. Not enough thread on it and very little thread in the case as well. Nasty and will strip the case thread easily if not careful. Or maybe they fixed it on the 08?

[vazza]

Sorry back on topic. Yeah Vazza get a bootilicious Hyde one and test it for the rest of us. Be keen to see one close up. BTW watch out for the wierd extra oil drain plug (right side) on your new KTM. Not enough thread on it and very little thread in the case as well. Nasty and will strip the case thread easily if not careful. Or maybe they fixed it on the 08?

Yeah might have to check them out.

Ahh yep, ill look into that! Cheers for the headsup! =)

[vazza]

Had a little ride around the property today.. I found that im to hunched up when riding, feels like its to low. Im thinking I need bar risers or something. Anyone else use bar risers?

[Reckless]

Make sure your bars are set in the front bolt mount on the triple clamp you can rotate the bar mounts (offset bolts) to move the bars forward as well I think. I have 6 days triple clamps on mine so not sure about yours. The bars where on mine where set back on the closest row of mount holes! I didn't think 20mm would make such a huge difference bit it did!
Bar Risers
I had them on and took them off as they where pushing me back to far! Danger hates them reckons them and high bent bars stuff up your riding position. I reckon he's bang on, now that I've taken them off my heads over the bars more and my arms are straighter and more in line with the angle of the fork. Only done one ride without them though, going to the Sandpit this weekend to see how it goes on the forest.
Just my 2c

[vazza]

Hmm, interesting. My bars are set to the front bolt mounts allready. Might just have to give it a proper ride and see how it feels.

[dammad1]

Had a little ride around the property today.. I found that im to hunched up when riding, feels like its to low. Im thinking I need bar risers or something. Anyone else use bar risers?

I had bar risers on before I put my damper on, now the uder bar mount lifts the bars a bit more than the old risers and I also have high bend bars.

Thats a very general comment Reckless, the most important thing is that the setup is comfortable and encourages you to stand, maybe if your short then tall bars and risers might not be the go but for me at 6"3 1/2" mine are set very high. The biggest mistake I see is people have there bars low and back so they feel comfortable sitting, which most people on here will no is not the go unless your on a sunday morning cruise.

[REDRIDER]

Hmm, interesting. My bars are set to the front bolt mounts allready. Might just have to give it a proper ride and see how it feels.

hey vin I jumped on 300 a while back and felt exactly the same, low bars raked right back, felt like they were sitting in your lap. im sure its a matter of preference and setup...

[Reckless]

I had bar risers on before I put my damper on, now the uder bar mount lifts the bars a bit more than the old risers and I also have high bend bars.

Thats a very general comment Reckless, the most important thing is that the setup is comfortable and encourages you to stand, maybe if your short then tall bars and risers might not be the go but for me at 6"3 1/2" mine are set very high. The biggest mistake I see is people have there bars low and back so they feel comfortable sitting, which most people on here will no is not the go unless your on a sunday morning cruise.


Yes dammad it was a general comment. Point taken! I suppose your 6'3" to my 5'10"ish we'd have a completly different set ups. I suppose mine where to high then, because dropping the bars made all the difference. My son is more than 6' and I've just taken his off because it felt so good to me. I'll now prepare myself for putting them on again if he doesn't like it! Cheers! I totally agree with your "encourages you to stand" comment! Good advice mate to find your own sweet spot!

[Danger]

A cool subject about bar position and yeah you need to try different things to find your sweet spot and its not going to be the same for everyone. But a few points I have noticed, but try things for yourself.

I notice that most riders tend to ride too far towards the rear of the bike, I call it gumby riding as it always reminds me of the gumbys that I used to see riding around on the rear of the seats on the old XR's, you know when everyone used to ride their trail bikes on the roads?
Most people are afraid of their front ends, that's why they ride like gumbys and like to keep away from the front end. Bar risers tend to promote this.
Having a MX back ground and from the late 80's era of racing the technique was elbows well up and a over the front end style with a right angle in the arms at the elbow, this encouraged me to prefer a well forward and a low bar position.
These days the riding position is more relaxed with the elbows not so exaggerated, and also a straighter leg but still a more forward and ride central technique as suspension has improved, many riders use a higher bend bar but I feel most have gone too far by adding risers, which with the new geometry's and higher bars puts people back into the gumby position, especially off road riders, I see this all the time. Moto X riders have a way better riding position in my opinion naturally.
A friend of mine and myself could never get comfortable on his '05 CR250, it always felt like the bars were in the lap. We compared it to my RM250 and found that the CR had foot pegs way forward, the RM had the foot pegs further back and you still can't find a better handling chassis than the RM250 in my opinion. The RM was a smaller bike, but it felt more spacious and comfortable. He tried all sorts of bars on that thing to try and overcome the funky ergo's. He liked the RM so much he sold the CR and was going to get the RM until I talked him into the KTM he now has and he has not looked back. The KTM feels like the RM as far as ergos once tweaked to do so.

The standing versus sitting thing, I used to be a 95% standing rider until I smashed my hands in a couple of bike accidents, then to just grip the bike I had to learn to ride sitting. I remember a couple of times in the first few years after my accidents at Moto X's when I would be hammering and my right hand would fly off the bars! Pretty scary and made me slow down. Its not so much of a problem now and I can ride standing and still hold on although I'm not doing much if any MX these days because I hate waiting around all day waiting to ride for 10-15 mins every couple of hours. But the point is I can stand, but chose to sit most of the time and stand when I have too. My suspension is good enough so that I can sit in most off road situations and I describe my position as a lazy style, with the elbows not as high as they used to be, but its very economical energy wise. I sit forward or I stand with the legs straight and central and the bike works under me with no pulling on the bars.

A little something about Dick Burleson, a Motorocycle Hall of Famer. He started his career as a Pro MX'r and has American National titles before the AMA was in existance but then went on to enduro riding. The following is copied from another website.
"From 1974 to 1981, Dick Burleson won eight consecutive AMA National Enduro Championships, a record so extraordinary that it may never be broken. Burleson’s total domination of national enduro earned him the nickname "King Richard." In addition to his incredible domestic record, Burleson also won an amazing eight consecutive gold medals in the International Six Days Trials (now called the International Six Days Enduro). Among American off-road racers, Burleson is one of the all-time greats."

I remember in talking about off road matters on another forum with another multi ISDE medalist Dwight Rudder who still knows Dick Burleson. Dick Burleson still trains off road riders, and he teaches them to sit, unless you have to stand. I didn't like this advice myself until I was forced to adapt to sitting when riding, now I think its good advice, but you need to sit forward or central. This man should know what hes talking about. I also know their are riders who like to stand all the time, Stefan Everts is one although a different riding situation to off road riding.

For KTM riders over 5'10 a tall seat is a must, they are small framed and the foot peg to seat distance is small. A tall seat will help.

I ride with a group which is pretty handy in the trees, not Chris Birch or Karl Power off course, but we pass most people when on the gas. I noticed that the only real difference when we were chasing each other in tight trees was corner speed, and that I would probably do a section and maybe 1 in 5 turns I would not really nail, and the group would gain perhaps 10-20 feet until they muffed their 1 in 5 corners or so. So I started to play around with my setup.
I already had my bars in the no3 position on the KTM and a low flat rolled forward renthal bar. I had my RM set up the same so I could swap from bike to bike and adapt without trouble. I talked to Karl Power and he said to try rolling the bars back as he noticed that he could get through corners much quicker when his bike was setup like this. I looked at my bars in relation to the fork angle and they were rolled slighty forward of a straight line. I tried running them in line with the forks and then slightly rearward. Well :buggerd: me all of a sudden I was nailing all the corners and leaving my mates behind (on the track)! The improvement was substantial. Both bikes were setup with the bars still low and in the same position but rolled back in the risers.

I would have to check Karl Powers stats but I'm sure Karl is over 6' tall and I've ridden a few of his bikes. He also uses a renthal bar and does not use risers and I feel comfortable on all his KTM's or Husabergs.
A couple of my other friends on KTM's are over 6' tall and use risers. One of them did some Chris Birch training, and Chris rode his bike and Chris told him to ditch the risers and gave the reasons why, much as I've outlined above, about staying over the front, weighting the front end etc. Chris is also over 6' tall I believe?
So we have two of the top KTM riders at the top of the off road world and neither use risers on their bikes. Doesn't mean you shouldn't but its an indication as to a trend needed for correct riding position and speed.
Note a taller rider generally has longer arms. I actually have long arms for my height (apeman?)
Again not all set ups will suit everyone so don't get upset Dammad, this is not aimed at you or anyone else and you should set your bike up to suit yourself (gee I'm trying to be careful not to step on anyone's toes these days, time to take a break from this site I think)!
Point is small changes to bike setup and riding styles can reap rewards.

[clmintie]

Seriously Danger, I will buy your book.......

Thanks for the efforts you put into this site.....

Phil.

[Reckless]

I must agree with Climintie 10/10 Danger!! And thanks a bunch as well! Very interesting read "as I go off and check the bar angle on the bike"

Re the Book! I have so much of your stuff copy and pasted pm me if you ever write it!!

But mate 2:47am did the missus say no or something LOL!!!! :bleh:

[xen]

Yeah great info Danger, cheers

[vazza]

Very good read Danger, will take that advice on! Cheers!

[tommorth]

interesting stuff had thought about risers as I was getting a sore back reaching down for the bars while standing was a bit hunched over I'm 6'3 . But found that if I bent my knees a bit more the pain went away and it also brought my body and weight further forward which seems to give me more control . I feel a lot more neutral on the bike like this and was able to hammer some of the hills harder than I normaly would last sunday. The stairway to heaven in maramarua is bloody awsome


also reckless every time I go down a steep hill I now chant to myself "its not a hill its flat" over and over seems to be helping :yes:

[camchain]

Vazza, your bar may not be as far forward as it can go. even though it may look at max, the holes in the bottom clamp are offset and clamp can be rotated 180 deg for max full forward (basically what Reckless said).

Interesting stuff Danger. Good to read as at 6' I'd thought about going higher but I settled on a bar that was 10mm higher than stock high KTM but still had low sweep. Feel I'm at best control through trees when in a bit of a low crouch. Might have a bit more of a play with bar rotate - I would like to nail 1 in 10 turns, this will offset my 9 dodgy ones nicely.

What you've described with rotating bar back to centreline reminds me a bit of what I've always thought was a major design problem with mountain bikes. Your steering input has to deal with dual arcs of rotation. Bar is so far forward from steering head axis the thing is like a tiller. No real problem for road going as this puts you in good position for pedal power but stupid for off road. You always see those guys crashing over the bars. BMX bikes have much more sensible steering IMO, - like a dirt bike.

[Latte]

It's not a design flaw, just means you're riding the wrong bike for your intended purpose ;) Ride a specific downhill mountainbike and the stem is very short, the fork is more raked , and the other angles of the bike are designed to help keep you centered while going downhill.

[camchain]

Heh. There's no doubt I know nothing about mountain bike design compared to the folks who make them. Just an observation really. Interesting your noting the downhill machines are quite different. I'd wondered why I'd never seen a bike with adjustable rake though. Would have thought it would be useful and do-able.

Rolled my bar back a bit halfway through today - then took off and promptly forgot to pay attention to the difference.

[warewolf]

Yet again an effin' awesome post from danger. Not "do this it's the only way" but "do this because of this and this, see what suits you". Bling to you.

On the sit vs stand thing. I can't sit... I get bounced out of the seat, it is incredibly tiring trying to stay seated and in control of the bike, effectively I have to squat to take my weight off the seat... may as well stand. That's in XC conditions... but things may change when I get the suspension sorted.

Even when on the adventure bike, I stand a heckuva lot. I tend not to do smooth gravel roads where I can sit comfortably. I've realised it takes less energy to stay standing on the short smooth bits than go stand-sit-stand in fairly short bursts. Standing also has the often-forgotten benefit of letting you see better.

On the mtb, I used to lean back more on the down hills, but I've discovered I go faster and more in control if I stay central and let the bike accelerate/roll back underneath my body. Much more weight on the front wheel. I suspect this parallels what danger is saying about high bars pushing your weight backwards.