Would you ride with coppers?

[SixPackBack]

Think about the answer.

Riding with off duty copper-a good bugger and genuine motorcyclist enthusiast, the kind of person you would be happy to drink with and talk shit. Not likely to say anything unless you make a real coont outa yourself.
Here's the rub.
Now while said copper is not going to report back to base after a spirited sports ride, he will have witnessed excessive speeding, the same type of behaviour that in a day or week he will be ticketing some other hapless soul for........
Tempted, but can't get my head around the hypocrisy.

[Tank]

Think about the answer.

Riding with off duty copper-a good bugger and genuine motorcyclist enthusiast, the kind of person you would be happy to drink with and talk shit. Not likely to say anything unless you make a real coont outa yourself.
Here's the rub.
Now while said copper is not going to report back to base after a spirited sports ride, he will have witnessed excessive speeding, the same type of behaviour that in a day or week he will be ticketing some other hapless soul for........
Tempted, but can't get my head around the hypocrisy.


Ahh - but it wouldn't be hypocrisy if he was willing to accept a ticket if he got caught.

Id ride with the bugger - no problems.

[sidecar bob]

Its just a job. I take the weekend off from my job too.

[hospitalfood]

only on the road.
watch your donuts mate

[mujambee]

I've done it, one of my friends is a copper and when he goes off-duty he rides with us his own bike.

However, it is not hypocrital on him, because:

1. He is willing to accept any ticket he gets when off-duty. Unlikely, because when he gets caught he just pulls off his helmet and greets the other copper by his name ;). Even when riding far from home, just showing his ID is enough to get him/us out of trouble.

2. When on duty, he won't ticket a biker unless he sees a really dangerous action.


He always says that his work is not to ticket people but to help them arrive safely.

[fireliv]

Yes. I have ridden with off duty cops in the past. They are just like everyone else, infact the last time I road with off-duties they hid in the middle of a group doing about 130km. I asked them why they said that they would be less likely to be pulled up if the group was flashed (ie cops either pull up leader or TEC)

[3umph]

Its just a job. I take the weekend off from my job too.

yip and they are said to still be human...

[Madness]

yip and they are said to still be human...

Urban myth.

[Maha]

I guess the trick is....'choose your moments'.......cops cant ping ya if ya get it right. Harness that impulse.

[Skyryder]

Think about the answer.

Riding with off duty copper-a good bugger and genuine motorcyclist enthusiast, the kind of person you would be happy to drink with and talk shit. Not likely to say anything unless you make a real coont outa yourself.
Here's the rub.
Now while said copper is not going to report back to base after a spirited sports ride, he will have witnessed excessive speeding, the same type of behaviour that in a day or week he will be ticketing some other hapless soul for........
Tempted, but can't get my head around the hypocrisy.



I think if you are gonna ride with a copper you need to give him some respect by not 'deliberalty' breaking the law. It's a two way thing. If said copper is prepared to ride with civilians this respect needs to be demonstrated by not puttin the copper in a hypcritical position.


Skyryder

[xwhatsit]

Urban myth.
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[smoky]

I guess we have a habit of focusing on the face of their job that urks us the most
But police do far more than just pull us for speeding - they attend road accidents, clean up the mess after, they general do a pretty good job of maintaining order at large events, they keep traffic moving when roads are congested, when lights fail or traffic jams up.
They catch those useless pricks who drive like lightning in town and will kill people unless they're apprehended. They catch drink driver and get them off the road, keep our truckies honest with hours and tare weights (thank god for that).

I guess when they seem so unbending and unreasonable when issuing tickets, when you get pulled for doing very mild speeds on good roads, and yet when you get burgled you can't get anyone to turn up for love nor money.

But yep - I'd ride with one, who gives a shit

[MadDuck]

Yes! And I have done so on a number of occassions.

But mostly they rode faster than me....thats not difficult though.

[Big Dave]

If he is your friend you respect him enough to behave in a way that your actions do not compromise his integrity.

[Mort]

follow him for a bit... suss him out. if he's up for a fast one...show him.

[3umph]

I'd say a lot of people have ridden in groups with some cops and not even realised it... how many have ridden in a group and not known some in it... or what that person does for a job???

a hell of a lot I would say

[Toot Toot]

There has been people I have brought along to many KB rides over the years... a lot of which were police officers, and none of you had any idea!! I ride with cops a lot. It is about being sensible.

[jeffs]

If he's a bike cop, who is trained to ride. I'd love to ride and learn. I spent time with car cops in the UK who teach police roadcraft to jo public. They may not be the fastest drivers, but they are professionally trained to ride fast.

[TOTO]

Yes , any time.

[The Stranger]

Hypocrisy implies a belief.
Need a cop believe speeding is the root of all evil in order to do what may well be an unpleasent job effectively?
Even if it is their belief, is it not possible to effecitvely agree to disagree and/or allow somone else the benefit of a doubt?

Personally I would have no moral dilemna with riding fast one day and handing out tickets the next were that my job and what I were paid to do. One is what you enjoy the other is work.

Need a traffic warden believe that some ill will befall the world should you park in a given spot for longer than an hour to give you a ticket for doing so? Hell I get tickets for parking too long in a spot when adjacent spots are available.

It's just a job mate.

[SARGE]

I ride with one quite often.. A few on here know him (used to have a string of zx14's but they kept falling over due to busted radiators and such)

yes spb.. We are normally over 120 (mostly over 150).. He is willing to eat a citation if we get nailed..

Damn good guy too.. I'd ride with him anytime if it wasnt for the bloody honda cruiser he rides now...

And the tassles

[FJRider]

Think about the answer.

Riding with off duty copper-a good bugger and genuine motorcyclist enthusiast, the kind of person you would be happy to drink with and talk shit. Not likely to say anything unless you make a real coont outa yourself.
Here's the rub.
Now while said copper is not going to report back to base after a spirited sports ride, he will have witnessed excessive speeding, the same type of behaviour that in a day or week he will be ticketing some other hapless soul for........
Tempted, but can't get my head around the hypocrisy.


As I recall, you were going to be possiblly sleeping with one a while back... whats your thoughts on that... ???

[MaxB]

As I recall, you were going to be possiblly sleeping with one a while back... whats your thoughts on that... ???

Bling on it's way 'cos it made me laugh out loud.

[SARGE]

As I recall, you were going to be possiblly sleeping with one a while back... whats your thoughts on that... ???


i heard SPB loves a guy in uniform....... :girlfight:

[Brett]

Yeah I would have no problems riding with a cop, and have done so. They are also just normal men and ladies who enjoy much the same things as the rest of us. If they wanted to bring work to the weekend ride (or whatever ride) that would be the last time I rode with them.

[Big Dave]

Mate of mine is peacekeeping in the Solomons at the moment.
Rides a GSX1400 and an Ariel 500. Staunchest bloke ever.

[The Pastor]

I'd think a more suitable question would be, if one of your mates becomes a bike cop (worst kind of cop) would you still be friends with them?
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[babyB]

i have ridden with them few years ago now. & yep the are just like every body else. their time off it their time. their job dosent change who they are.

now if it was a surgeon would you expect to be cringing, or wrapping ya in plaster-cast b4 getting on bike
there could be a repoman & hes just found a missing owner. their job is irrelevant
work is work, play is play.

[SixPackBack]

Thanks for all your answers.

3 years ago I lost my licence doing 147..........a few months later I witnessed the same copper travelling way over 100 on a quiet suburban street:oi-grr:

I struggle to find anything other than hypocrisy in his actions. Well aware its his job, he may not believe in that part of the law etc, however it still makes me uncomfortable.

Interestingly the recent commission of inquiry concurs. They also believe coppers should not be breaking the same laws they up hold when off duty.

Time is conspiring against me however. Mrs SPB gave serious thought to joining the force and decided against because of the long stretch of training away from home. Questionably worse; my daughter goes out with a lad whose old man is a traffic cop in Orewa, working along side the same cop who clocked me at 147!?

The only other comments I would make would be: is it possible some of you are twisting your morals because these same officers are good friends? And if its not obvious my personal experience has left me a tad bitter and twisted, questionably incapable of rationalising this subject!

[jtzzr]

I`d ride with a cop , no issues.

[peasea]

I think the REAL question is: would you go for a drive in the country with them?

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[nadroj]

Just carry a six pack in your backpack!

[vifferman]

Not only would I, but I have ridden with a policeman. While we didn't stick strictly to the speed limit, no dangerous speeds or behaviour were indulged in. We all just rode nicely and enjoyed ourselves.
Hypocrisy? I don't think so. I don't think 'the rest of us' modified our behaviour because there was a policeman in our midst, and I don't believe the policeman would've let us get away with riding like wankers - he would've told us off.
I get your point. Thinking about it, his attitude was how things used to be before the bureaucrats decided to focus on speed and introduced ticket quotas as a measurement of performance.

Heh. When we were sitting around at night, drinking and talking shit, I asked The Cop, "If you were riding in a group and someone was riding really badly, would you ticket him?"
<laughs> "No."
"What about if you were riding really badly - would you ticket yourself?"
<much more laughing> "Ah... no."

The thing is, like all of us, the police have to do some things in their job that they may not like, and may not even agree with. It's OBVIOUS from the number of tickets handed out for speeding every year that the majority of NZ motorists think speeding isn't particularly an issue. Yet somehow we've allowed our bureaucrats to enforce an unpopular law and punish us for breaking it. I was under the impression that the law was supposed to (in general and in principle) reflect the will of the people?
Another thing: cops themselves refer to those cops who seem to revel in handing out tickets as "snakes" and they are not popular amongst the police force. I think given a choice, most policemen would rather target "the bad buggers" and ignore driving except where it is potentially or actually dangerous or rude and antisocial.

[Grizzo]

Yep, got no probs with riding with a copper!

[CookMySock]

I haven't but I would. I would take hints from his good judgement. The fuzz are taught how to speed safely - they do U turns on main highways and chase offenders at speed and other types of dangerous crap, but they mostly stay alive doing it, so I would say they have a good grasp on what is safe and what is not.

Cops are humans too, and while they quite probably won't have a toke with you, it is unlikely they will wreck a friendship because someone else does.

Off duty cops are just people with families an feelings, just like you and me. On duty - thats different.. LOL

Steve

[The Stranger]

Interestingly the recent commission of inquiry concurs. They also believe coppers should not be breaking the same laws they up hold when off duty.

The only other comments I would make would be: is it possible some of you are twisting your morals because these same officers are good friends?



Sure the commission of inquiry is going to draw that conclusion. What other conclusion should it come to? Laws are laws and in theory no one should break them and no one be immune from them. As we know only too well however, those that make em routinely show utter contempt for them, and get away with it too unfortunately. Hardly fair to hold others to a higher standard is it?

Do you have a problem with my morals good sir?
As I previously noted to you, we all make compromises at/for work. I know I have. I put it to you that the only ones who haven't found themselves in conflict with their morals are those that have none.
If we assume that they are on duty 24/7 and adhered to your view of morals, what would be the logical conclusion?
Well for a start, they should be compensated on a 24/7 basis.
Secondly what should one do if asked to complete a task in the line of work that one doesn't fully believe in? Refuse to do it? Resign? How would that best serve the community?

[CookMySock]

[....] As we know only too well however, those that make em routinely show utter contempt for them, and get away with it too unfortunately. Hardly fair to hold others to a higher standard is it? Do you have a problem with my morals good sir? Nope, thats spot on. Young-uns need to get this.

It amazes me to hear do-gooders complain about how everyone else is allowed be naughty, while they have to behave all the time.

I have discovered "morals" are more about what other people want me to do so they don't feel threatened, or so that they get a better deal than me. Fuck that. "Morals" is about not hurting peoples feelings when they love me. Lots of people do love me, and I should show some care with that, but for the rest of the population - I'm sorry but I'm going to beat you to that gap in the traffic, and I'm going to compete with you for that job, and I'm going to out-bid you on that auction, and thats the way the world goes around.

Steve

[MSTRS]

Not only would I, but I have ridden with a policeman. .... It's OBVIOUS from the number of tickets handed out for speeding every year that the majority of NZ motorists think speeding isn't particularly an issue.

As have I. And this particular cop was so disappointed in the performance of his 600 that he immediately dropped it in favour of a hot TL...
Oh...could you have a word with that lot and politely ask them to please use the same roads I do. Thanks.

...
Secondly what should one do if asked to complete a task in the line of work that one doesn't fully believe in?

"I was only following orders" ??

SPB - the speed thing on roads is little more than a game. The idea is to play and not get caught. We all do it.

[vifferman]

The last cop I talked to (apart from the one that gave me a ticket) rode a GSXR1000, and from what he said, it sounded like he rode it pretty much like any other GixxerRider. He was just a Regular Bloke, who enjoyed riding bikes, and happened to be a policeman. It sounded though like whatever his job was, he wasn't normally handing out tickets (just avoiding getting them himslef, if he could).

[Katman]

Where do we draw the line? Is it ok for a police officer to drink and drive/ride, as long as they aren't caught?

Hypocrisy? Of course it's hypocrisy.

The policeman who rides, outside of working conditions, at a speed at which he would ticket someone else is displaying hypocrisy. The police officer who chooses to let them off because that person is a policeman is displaying hypocrisy. The police officer pulled over for speeding is guilty of double hypocrisy for not insisting that the ticket is issued.

[ManDownUnder]

Yeah I would ride with them personally. My view on this specific issue is hugely influenced by the one or two cops I've spent time with that used good old fashioned common sense policing... on me.

Warnings where I could have rightly been ticketd, actually taking time to have a chat, showing me their side of things ... but also listening to mine. A little bit of bend and flex on their part kinda makes me think I should give a little too.

If I knew of an absolute, by the book, ticket everything copper doing that though... the answer'd be a firm no.

[NighthawkNZ]

Think about the answer.

Riding with off duty copper-a good bugger and genuine motorcyclist enthusiast, the kind of person you would be happy to drink with and talk shit. Not likely to say anything unless you make a real coont outa yourself.



I ride and hang out with one quite regularly... don't see any issue...??? But Im a slow bugger anyway and don't know how to ride fast

[vifferman]

Warnings where I could have rightly been ticketd, actually taking time to have a chat, showing me their side of things ... but also listening to mine. A little bit of bend and flex on their part kinda makes me think I should give a little too.
I've NEVER had a warning. I've had occasions where I could've been pulled over and wasn't (years ago - before the quota nonsense), but every time I have been pulled over I've been ticketed.

[oldrider]

There are probably more of them riding among us than you realise!

I ride with a person because I like them for who they are as an individual not because of what they do for a living etc. :ride:

Reading your example SPB gives rise to the question of who put who in the difficult position? :shifty: John.

[ManDownUnder]

I've NEVER had a warning. I've had occasions where I could've been pulled over and wasn't (years ago - before the quota nonsense), but every time I have been pulled over I've been ticketed.

Ironic innit - I've only had tickets in the car - by 4 wheels coppers. Only ever had warnings on 2 wheels... by 2 wheeled coppers.

End of the day if I do soemthing wrong then I take it on the chin... no probs there. But the cops that give a little deserve the same in kind I reckon. It's a very individual thing

[mister.koz]

Its a hard one but i gotta agree with most of the responses in here.

I take my riding and speed as it is, if i get a ticket then i get a ticket. An off duty cop is no different... shit, you don't see me writing software and training staff on my weekend rides.

If the cop was riding around well above the speed limit with other riders and then pulled out his ticket book :spanking: then it would be hypocrisy.

[The Stranger]

"I was only following orders" ??



Different thing. I said "don't fully believe in", as in I don't fully believe in the occupational health and safety in employment act and the way it is implemented, yet was responsible for it's implementation in the early days with the NZMBA. I still did the job and did it to the best of my ability.
I was only following orders.
You will note that I didn't say "really don't agree with".

Sorry if anyone has trouble with the distinction, all I can say is you guys really must live utopian lives.

[The Stranger]

I've NEVER had a warning. I've had occasions where I could've been pulled over and wasn't (years ago - before the quota nonsense), but every time I have been pulled over I've been ticketed.

Ditto.
The one that really pissed me off was a ticket for 93kph when I was towing a trailer on the open road. Everything else was legit, tow wagon up to the task etc. No lip or nothing and an honest mistake on my part.
Still, I did enjoy the rest of the trip below the speed limit, though I am not so sure the following cars did on a busy holiday weekend.

[The Stranger]

Hypocrisy? Of course it's hypocrisy.


Personally I find it hypocritical to hold others to a higher standard than I set for myself. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

[vifferman]

Ironic innit - I've only had tickets in the car - by 4 wheels coppers. Only ever had warnings on 2 wheels... by 2 wheeled coppers.
I was the opposite - up until last week I'd never had a ticket in the car.


End of the day if I do soemthing wrong then I take it on the chin... no probs there.
I've deserved every ticket I've had - no beef there. But getting points and a fine didn't make any more difference to my attitude than being pulled over and being told off would have, except to piss me off, and make me more vigilant for cops, as I don't want to lose my licence.

[Big Dave]

I'll have two flats and a packet of gravel.

[ceebie13]

One of my neighbours is a cop. He too has a bike. Most Thursdays he pops round for a coffee and we have a chinwag - not necessarily about bikes all the time - but a good yarn or two. He's not a traffic cop though. I think he's a bit embarrassed to come out for a ride with me... he's 6ft 4 and very fit...but he rides a GN250. Bless.

[Katman]

Personally I find it hypocritical to hold others to a higher standard than I set for myself.

Exactly.

Hence why it is hypocritical for a police officer to issue a ticket for 111 kph if they make a habit of doing likewise.

[MsKABC]

My personal land-speed record was set several years ago on the back of a gixxer with a cop :o

He used to register his car & bike to the local cop shop P O Box # so it didn't matter if he knew a cop when pulled over - when the rego was run the cop would recognise the address. That might be a load of shite, I dunno, but it's what he told me.

Cops are human just like the rest of us, and some are hypocritical too - just like the rest of us. Many people become cops for the testosterone factor, so it follows that they like a bit of speed.

[The Stranger]

Exactly.

Hence why it is hypocritical for a police officer to issue a ticket for 111 kph if they make a habit of doing likewise.

No.
I was referring to personal standards.
There is no personal conflict in that. As I said, it's like a parking warden issuing a ticket for exceeding a time limit. They need not hold a personal belief in the import of strict parking times to issue a ticket for that.
Indeed it would be somewhat of a worry if they did.

[Tank]

I think its hypocritical for anyone who has ever exceed the speed limit to pass judgement on others for doing so regardless of their position / job.

I think it ignorant and feeble that people can pass judgements on the integrity / morals of a person over something that makes up only a very small part of their job, especially when most of us wouldn't have the fortitude to do their job ourselves.

There are things I do personally that I wouldnt do at work and indeed that I would discipline at work for doing.

A good KB example. How many professional managers here would allow staff to look at objectionable material on the Internet? Not many I assume. We have fired people for doing it.

Yet at home (when I'm not working) - Im happy to click on attachments marked "R".

And I'm sure many of you are the same.

[madbikeboy]

Nope, thats spot on. Young-uns need to get this.

It amazes me to hear do-gooders complain about how everyone else is allowed be naughty, while they have to behave all the time.

I have discovered "morals" are more about what other people want me to do so they don't feel threatened, or so that they get a better deal than me. Fuck that. "Morals" is about not hurting peoples feelings when they love me. Lots of people do love me, and I should show some care with that, but for the rest of the population - I'm sorry but I'm going to beat you to that gap in the traffic, and I'm going to compete with you for that job, and I'm going to out-bid you on that auction, and thats the way the world goes around.

Steve

A kinky catholic girl I used to "date" described morals as being "morals are the things that stop you from having loud sex when your parents or a priest can hear you". We interpreted that very carefully, and as such we had sex at her parents house (quietly), but we never made it as far as church. Although she did get really steamed up telling her priest about her sins for that week, and she'd stop via my place for a bit of release.

I liked her morals... LOL!

[Patrick]

Just carry a six pack in your backpack!

So that is why I always follow ya.... Should have known....

[madbikeboy]

My personal land-speed record was set several years ago on the back of a gixxer with a cop :o



You know, on reflection, most of the meaningful experiences in my life that I shake my head at, involved either a chick, or a Gixer... :)


Viff, I have normally gotten off with whatever stupidity I have displayed with motorcycle cops, but the ones in the white cars with sign writing and disco lights seem to take a dim view of the most simple indescretion... But, most of them are okay, and I wouldn't do their job for any amount of money, let alone the pittance that they make. The only retards that I've met have had Ginger hair, or been a Team Policing riot squad member, (chosen for size, not size of intellect).

[MsKABC]

You know, on reflection, most of the meaningful experiences in my life that I shake my head at, involved either a chick, or a Gixer... :)

Yeah, well it wasn't one of the smartest things I've ever done.... Bloody good record though :laugh:

[Katman]

No.
I was referring to personal standards.


We are all guilty of hypocrisy in some manner from time to time in our lives.

If you are alluding to the message I have repeatedly stated on here, I have only ever said "Don't ride like an arse" (or words to that effect). Personally, I make sure I don't ride like an arse.

[peasea]

No offence (pun intended) but let's face it; coppers are never really off-duty are they?

I was offered the chance to go on a run a through the 'Naki a while back and there was a copper going along who was touted as being a "good bloke". That's great, I'm sure everyone had a good time, I wouldn't know, I declined the invitation. I've had more than one bad run-in with coppers and it's turned me sour. (I'm not just referring to ticket-writers either.)

However, I deal with coppers on occasion through my work and to date they have been polite and professional so I treat them likewise, but riding is something I hold dear and there's no way I'd knowingly share the experience with a copper. If I discovered one on a ride I'd most likely bid everyone a polite farewell and go home but that simply means I'm the one with the problem, nobody else; I don't mind admitting it either.

I simply don't trust them and I couldn't really relax when there's one within spitting distance of me. My missus feels the same.

There are undoubtedly some good people in the force, level-headed, brave, fair players etc and good on them for taking up a job I'd never qualify for or be interested in, but just as it is with my drinking etc, I'm a bit fussy about who I ride with.

It's my choice to not ride with them, just as it is the choice of others who decide to ride WITH them. Mind you, I doubt I'd have too much to do with people who rode with coppers either but generally speaking my mates wouldn't do it anyway.

[madbikeboy]

Yeah, well it wasn't one of the smartest things I've ever done.... Bloody good record though :laugh:

I've got to spread it around before it'll let me bling you again.

Faster = more betterer. :)

[peasea]

Ditto.
The one that really pissed me off was a ticket for 93kph when I was towing a trailer on the open road. Everything else was legit, tow wagon up to the task etc. No lip or nothing and an honest mistake on my part.
Still, I did enjoy the rest of the trip below the speed limit, though I am not so sure the following cars did on a busy holiday weekend.

Same thing happened to a buddy of mine towing a race car. Tough-as, well equipped American pickup, fully-braked trailer, everything in fine mechanical order etc. He was in a line of traffic cruising along about the 100kph mark near Taupo in perfect but busy driving conditions during a holiday period. Cop plucks him out of the line of traffic and tickets him, causing much disruption on a busy main highway.

The cop was/is nothing but a tosser.

[MSTRS]

The cop was/is nothing but a tosser.

There's a few stationed in every area. Part of the quota system, I believe :whistle:

[mister.koz]

We are all guilty of hypocrisy in some manner from time to time in our lives.

If you are alluding to the message I have repeatedly stated on here, I have only ever said "Don't ride like an arse" (or words to that effect). Personally, I make sure I don't ride like an arse.

There's a distinction between what you have to do at work and what you think is alright to do in your own time.

For instance, your perception of riding like an arse is probably quite different to the next guy's and different still from what the law defines as within the limits.

If your job was to uphold a set of rules (believe in them or not) to the line then that is what you would do. It doesn't mean that you are being hypocritical if you don't follow them outside of your normal working hours, it just means that you acknowledge the risks and make a decision for yourself.

I wonder how many nurses & doctors smoke cigarettes and drink too much?

[skidMark]

Think about the answer.

Riding with off duty copper-a good bugger and genuine motorcyclist enthusiast, the kind of person you would be happy to drink with and talk shit. Not likely to say anything unless you make a real coont outa yourself.
Here's the rub.
Now while said copper is not going to report back to base after a spirited sports ride, he will have witnessed excessive speeding, the same type of behaviour that in a day or week he will be ticketing some other hapless soul for........
Tempted, but can't get my head around the hypocrisy.


Work is work... it's his career...

His job ends at the end of his shift.

He is on his own time when he is out riding...

Just treat him like any other as a friend, not just because he is a cop.

[pritch]

Work is work... it's his career...

His job ends at the end of his shift.

He is on his own time when he is out riding...

Just treat him like any other as a friend, not just because he is a cop.

Mature comments Mark. I'll second that.

They can come in handy too. Some years ago a group of BMWOR riders were enjoying an out of town jaunt when the local constabulary became rather too interested in their doings. The off-duty cop with the BMW group waved down the patrol car, introduced himself, and the law immediately lost interest.

[Katman]

I wonder how many nurses & doctors smoke cigarettes and drink too much?

If they do, and yet tell you that you must give up smoking and drinking because it will kill you, then that is hypocrisy.

If a police officer, who habitually travels in excess of the speed limit, hands you a ticket and tells you that you must keep within the speed limit because speed kills, then that is hypocrisy.

[Tank]

I wonder how many nurses & doctors smoke cigarettes and drink too much?


If they do, and yet tell you that you must give up smoking and drinking because it will kill you, then that is hypocrisy.

If a police officer, who habitually travels in excess of the speed limit, hands you a ticket and tells you that you must keep within the speed limit because speed kills, then that hypocrisy.

But would you still ride a Nurse who smoked?

This whole thread is bullshit - really.

If someone is so far up their own ass to look down their nose and not want to ride with anyone just because of something small like this - then they must be so fucken lillywhite pure that they would be the most boring fuckers out there and I wouldn't want to ride with them.

[Katman]

This whole thread is bullshit - really.



Agreed.

I'm merely pointing out the meaning of the word hypocrisy though.

(Not that hypocrisy has ever been readily recognised on KB - judging by many of the posts on here).

[3umph]

Same thing happened to a buddy of mine towing a race car. Tough-as, well equipped American pickup, fully-braked trailer, everything in fine mechanical order etc. He was in a line of traffic cruising along about the 100kph mark near Taupo in perfect but busy driving conditions during a holiday period. Cop plucks him out of the line of traffic and tickets him, causing much disruption on a busy main highway.

The cop was/is nothing but a tosser.

Yip that happened to a mate of mine towing a jetboat at 100kph with the flow of traffic on a busy highway.

There are some that just ticket for everything but overall most are pretty sensible...

[Tank]

The bigger hypocrites are all the cop bashers on here that call them pigs, useless revenue generating pricks, useless cunts, and a whole host of other abuse. **

Then as soon as they have problems call the police and are all "yes sir, no sir - please help me sir"

Actually - worse than being hypocrites they are cowards as well because they dont have the balls to say it to their face.

(** note used as examples and are not my views)

[skidMark]

Agreed.

I'm merely pointing out the meaning of the word hypocrisy though.

(Not that hypocrisy has ever been readily recognised on KB - judging by many of the posts on here).


So you have nothing to contribute to the actual thread, just going LOOK AT ME!!!

Correct?

[Katman]

So you have nothing to contribute to the actual thread, just going LOOK AT ME!!!



Careful Mark - that's bordering on hypocrisy.

:msn-wink:

[skidMark]

The bigger hypocrites are all the cop bashers on here that call them pigs, useless revenue generating pricks, useless cunts, and a whole host of other abuse. **

Then as soon as they have problems call the police and are all "yes sir, no sir - please help me sir"

Actually - worse than being hypocrites they are cowards as well because they dont have the balls to say it to their face.

(** note used as examples and are not my views)


Yeah it's funny how so many on KB have this one track minds of oh cops are dicks they only ever give us tickets!

Well when you apply for a license you sign away that you are on the road on the condition you obey the rules.

It is not a right to use the roads. It is a priveledge that has rules you must obide by.

If you want ot be a hoon build your own road...

As long as you don't own it the owner can place whatever rules they like on it.

Back to my starting point...

Cops don't just do traffic. They do alot of other things...

When your bike gets stolen.... who do you call?

When your house gets robbed who do you call?

Who catches the crims and locks them up?

Without cops around there would be looting etc. You have to take the good with the bad... Obey the road rules you have nothing to worry about.

Disobey the road rules... and the cops do what they are employed to do. Deal with law breakers.

Simple really.

[MSTRS]

Careful Mark - that's bordering on hypocrisy.



I think you will find that the BDOTGNZA will class it as Irony....

[Finn]

I've ridden with coppers before. Three of them to be precise and they weren't exactly slow. At one stage I think we hit about 200 and this was at night.

This was in Eagle though.

[nadroj]

Reminds me of the song about the flying finn!

[Headbanger]

No, I'd not ride with a cop, especially one who wanted to speed.

Nor would I call them pigs or have I ever rung them, nor would I want to.

Hypocrites are cunts. And a cop breaking the law is massive hypocrite and well below the sort of respectable good bastard behaviour I'd find acceptable.

Though I suppose if they bought along some P?,after all, off duty. Cops can ignore the law they are sworn to uphold whenever it doesn't suit aye?

Fuckin weak.

[Mikkel]

Yep I'd ride with a cop if he was a good bastard, no worries. If he was a fucking cunt I wouldn't waste a second of my time on him one way or the other.

Same as most other people really. However, the coppers do have a job that provides amble oppotunity to expose any cuntery that might lay hidden beneath the morally intact facade.


If they do, and yet tell you that you must give up smoking and drinking because it will kill you, then that is hypocrisy.

Not really. He is after all merely informing you of the risks involved with your lifestyle. If he said "I am not going to treat you as long as you smoke and drink" but was willing to treat himself... that would be hypocrisy.

[peasea]

Then as soon as they have problems call the police and are all "yes sir, no sir - please help me sir"

Actually - worse than being hypocrites they are cowards as well because they dont have the balls to say it to their face.



Don't look at me, in either case.

[scumdog]

Ah, you've all got your points of view.

Me? I just ride, regularly with other bikers around me.

I can't be too much of a hypocrit or whatever the ranters call it 'cos they still go riding with me.

But then again I don't speed.

(Nearly forgot to indicate once though:shit:.)

As you were, ranters feel free to continue.................

[3umph]

The bigger hypocrites are all the cop bashers on here that call them pigs, useless revenue generating pricks, useless cunts, and a whole host of other abuse. **

Then as soon as they have problems call the police and are all "yes sir, no sir - please help me sir"

Actually - worse than being hypocrites they are cowards as well because they dont have the balls to say it to their face.

(** note used as examples and are not my views)

Yip have to agree with you there :clap:

[MSTRS]

But then again I don't speed.

(Nearly forgot to indicate once though:shit:.)



You have our permission to 'play the game'. We don't even mind the stacked deck...
But as for not indicating....:no: Much worse than a 'few' ks over. At least with the speeding, others know where you are going. The game of 'let them guess' is just not on. :nono:

[MarkH]

The cop was/is nothing but a tosser.

I would prefer to avoid riding with people like that, but a cop that is a good bugger would be fine - I have no problem riding with good buggers.

[MarkH]

Cops are humans too, and while they quite probably won't have a toke with you, it is unlikely they will wreck a friendship because someone else does.

Well, they MAY NOT have a toke with you, but then again they MAY. Let's just say that I did at one stage know a cop that would.

[dangerous]

Think about the answer.

Riding with off duty copper-a good bugger and genuine motorcyclist enthusiast, the kind of person you would be happy to drink with and talk shit. Not likely to say anything unless you make a real coont outa yourself.
Here's the rub.
Now while said copper is not going to report back to base after a spirited sports ride, he will have witnessed excessive speeding, the same type of behaviour that in a day or week he will be ticketing some other hapless soul for........
Tempted, but can't get my head around the hypocrisy.


Fark sakes man... cant bee pissed reading the thread, man... you just described the cops i ride with lmfao, im the sencible one should be me dobbing there piggie arses in.

[Skyryder]

I think the point that SPB is making, and he can correct me if I’m wrong, is that he got ticketed for a speeding offence that said cop was guilty of doing himself. That’s hypocrisy in every sense of the word.

But his question was, would you ride with a cop?. On that basis yes I would and I have answered that I would not speed, not wanting to put him/her in compromising position. On that basis I would expect the cop to obey the law in this manner in a group ride on the basis that he would give tickets to those that rode at the same speed as himself when on duty. What an individual officer wants to do on his own is his choice but I expect the same courtesy from a cop on a group ride to me as I have said I would give to him/them. Respect is a two way thing.

Skyryder

[jeffs]

Ok hypocrisy test .

You go on a ride and a cop is in your pack. You all get pulled over for speeding. The cop takes of his helmet
and says "Hi bud" to the cop that pulled your group. The other cop says " Hi, since your with them, ride on but watch your speed next time"

A. Do you say " NO I want my ticket for speeding, because its unfair the cop got me off" ?
B Say "thanks" and ride on . Then when you stop buy the cop rider a coffee for saving you from a ticket ?
C. Stop riding with him because you now know he's a cop.
D. Ride with him more often because you might get pulled up for speeding.

I take B and D and still be able to sleep at night :)

[98tls]

Ride with them drink with them hell ive got a mate that even stopped and threw ones Harley on his trailer when it had problems,pretty hard to treat anyone differently because of how they earn a living.

[NighthawkNZ]

But then again I don't speed..

This should be reading... "I can't speed because the tassles slow me down way to much..."

:bleh:

[peasea]

Ok hypocrisy test .

You go on a ride and a cop is in your pack. You all get pulled over for speeding. The cop takes of his helmet
and says "Hi bud" to the cop that pulled your group. The other cop says " Hi, since your with them, ride on but watch your speed next time"

A. Do you say " NO I want my ticket for speeding, because its unfair the cop got me off" ?
B Say "thanks" and ride on . Then when you stop buy the cop rider a coffee for saving you from a ticket ?
C. Stop riding with him because you now know he's a cop.
D. Ride with him more often because you might get pulled up for speeding.

I take B and D and still be able to sleep at night :)

I'll take none of the above and not ride with him/her in the first place.

[peasea]

But then again I don't speed.



Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahaha.
Bullshit.:rofl::rofl:

[Ixion]

I take it you have abandoned trying to climb back on your chair, you have fallen off it so often. And now just roll round on the floor laughing.

[98tls]

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahaha.
Bullshit.:rofl::rofl: Believe me he doesn't.:msn-wink:

[peasea]

Believe me he doesn't.:msn-wink:

I bet he doesn't masturbate either.

[peasea]

I take it you have abandoned trying to climb back on your chair, you have fallen off it so often. And now just roll round on the floor laughing.

When I read shite like that I sure do.

[98tls]

I bet he doesn't masturbate either. Down here we have women that do it for us mate.:apint:

[peasea]

Down here we have women that do it for us mate.:apint:

Sounds like a dream come true.

I still say bullshit. Nobody goes through life (especially with motorcycles and V8's in their life) without going over 100kph at some time or another.

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

[98tls]

Course its bullshit its the interweb.:beer:

[NighthawkNZ]

Sounds like a dream come true.

I still say bullshit. Nobody goes through life (especially with motorcycles and V8's in their life) without going over 100kph at some time or another.

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

Riden with him many times... and he don't... and he probably wouldn't ping you for 115-120 kph either... unless you did a dangerous maneuver

[jeffs]

The initial question was would you ride with a cop. I would.

But people have turned this into "Is speeding a law I am ok with breaking. " or " I don't like Cops, so great
another chance to slag them".

Face it, if you have a 1000cc bike on an NZ road, you have already answered the "Is speeding a law I am ok with breaking? "question
when you bought it.

Should a cop be allowed to speed and get away with it. We all know the answer is NO.
Should a non-cop be allowed to speed and get away with it. We all know the answer is still NO.

Did you by a 1000cc bike to ride a 100kmh, NO !! Of course you didn't.

Take the ticket and live with it, and just hope next time no-one is looking.

As to the cop slagging, thats nothing to do with biking and no reasoning will work to change those peoples minds.

[Katman]

It's not, so much, hypocrisy that I have a problem with - it's when people deny the presence of their hypocrisy that really galls me.

[scumdog]

Sounds like a dream come true.

I still say bullshit. Nobody goes through life (especially with motorcycles and V8's in their life) without going over 100kph at some time or another.

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

USE to speed, heaps, don't anymore

Use to shit my nappies heaps too, don't do THAT anymore either.

Belive what you want, I am what I am.

[peasea]

Riden with him many times... and he don't... and he probably wouldn't ping you for 115-120 kph either... unless you did a dangerous maneuver

How many times can I say bullshit in one night?

Fuck it, off to the pub for some truth serum.

Scummy: You're full of it.

[AD345]

Belive what you want, I am what I am.


Popeye?


Issat you??

[scumdog]

How many times can I say bullshit in one night?

Fuck it, off to the pub for some truth serum.

Scummy: You're full of it.


Ridden with me a bit eh??

Or professional jealousy??...heheheheeheh...

[98tls]

How many times can I say bullshit in one night?

Fuck it, off to the pub for some truth serum.

Scummy: You're full of it. Mate theres good coppers n bad just like butchers bakers candlestick blah blah believe me ive met a few in my time,genuine all round good bastard..no bullshit.Like a dog with a bone you.:done:

[Headbanger]

It's not, so much, hypocrisy that I have a problem with - it's when people deny the presence of their hypocrisy that really galls me.

I have an issue with hypocrisy when its to do with people who penalise you for not following a code, yet don't believe it applies to them.

The people that think that's a great way for our cops to behave are assholes as well.

That aside I don't believe all cops break the law whenever it suits, Plenty of them must have some moral backbone not yet burnt out by arrogance.

Perhaps if cops treated it as more then a job and as position in society worthy of respect they may get more of it.

That aside, I'm sure all KB coppers are saints and worthy of high praise.:Pokey:

[Katman]

Is there an oath by which individuals must swear when they attain the status of a New Zealand police officer?

[98tls]

Is there an oath by which individuals must swear when they attain the status of a New Zealand police officer? No doubt,your point?

[Katman]

No doubt,your point?

I'd be interested to know, precisely, the wording of that oath if one exists.

[dangerous]

Belive what you want, I am what I am. and that would be a cunt... a farking good cunt


some people in this life will travel through it missing out on some of the worlds best people, that is there loss.

[Boob Johnson]

Where do we draw the line? Is it ok for a police officer to drink and drive/ride, as long as they aren't caught?

Hypocrisy? Of course it's hypocrisy.

The policeman who rides, outside of working conditions, at a speed at which he would ticket someone else is displaying hypocrisy. The police officer who chooses to let them off because that person is a policeman is displaying hypocrisy. The police officer pulled over for speeding is guilty of double hypocrisy for not insisting that the ticket is issued.
Hardly a surprising answer from you Steve. Can't see past your own nose :Pokey:


This isn't a cookie cutter world, its the real world with real people. A bit of bend n flex in the right situations as MDU puts it below.

Struth next you will be telling us you have NEVER done anything illegal on a bike :rolleyes:



Yeah I would ride with them personally. My view on this specific issue is hugely influenced by the one or two cops I've spent time with that used good old fashioned common sense policing... on me.

Warnings where I could have rightly been ticketd, actually taking time to have a chat, showing me their side of things ... but also listening to mine. A little bit of bend and flex on their part kinda makes me think I should give a little too.

If I knew of an absolute, by the book, ticket everything copper doing that though... the answer'd be a firm no.

[Katman]

This isn't a cookie cutter world, its the real world with real people. A bit of bend n flex in the right situations as MDU puts it below.



So you would think it's acceptable to have a police officer lie, under oath in court, simply to make his dodgey ticket stick?

[98tls]

So you would think it's acceptable to have a police officer lie, under oath in court, simply to make his dodgey ticket stick? Theres 2 ways at looking at life when it deals you a bad hand surely,A. Bring out the whaaaambulance and forever wail or B.Accept shit happens thats life and get on with it.Possibly wrong but so far so good for me.

[riffer]

I'll ride with anyone provided they are a competent, considerate rider with a good sense of humour and an ability to talk as much shit as I do.

Who gives a flying fuck what they do for a job?

When you have four young children and a wife to support, you relish any opportunity to get out and ride.

Sometimes I speed, sometimes I don't. If I was going to ride with a cop, and I have, I discuss the possibility of speeding with them first. If they have a problem with the idea of exceeding the speed limit, then we work out where we can go to get a damn good ride in and still stay legal.

Jeez guys, it's not hard. All you have to do is communicate and compromise.

:mellow:

[Boob Johnson]

So you would think it's acceptable to have a police officer lie, under oath in court, simply to make his dodgey ticket stick?
That's a hell of a leap

You missed the point entirely, re read my post & MDU's Steve, you seem to live in this black n white world where the view extends not a jot past your own nose <_<

[Headbanger]

No doubt,your point?

A mans only as good as his word?

[Dean]

I would definitely ride with a cop, have been wanting to lately anyway. Im young now and have a huge competitive ego and im upgrading to a proper 250 the combination ends up sadly. I figure if i ride with a cop now i will naturally take things easy and not do stupid shit, i would learn how to have fun riding without treating the roads like a rcae track givin the right bike.
It will save me for many years to come

[Renegade]

this thread is shit, i have two riding buddies, both are cops, both good buggers in their own right, one beleives in the whole road safety deal, the other not so much, when we go riding they dont talk shop as they are off duty, one is a top rider (ex MOT) and has shared a few tips etc, the other an ex-army motorcycle instructor and in all the times weve been out i think we may have hit 120kph for a breif moment i.e down hill once or twice.

never has the riding been crazy or dangerous and i will continue to ride with them.

If you dont like cops, dont call them if you need them.

[98tls]

A mans only as good as his word? Yea yea i knew what he was getting at.Like i posted earlier theres good n bad in every profession its just on here that coppers seem to get more than there fair of shit,ive no problem with it fuck its the interweb who cares but in SDs case ive no choice but to speak up really as i know the bloke.If he says he does or doesnt do something then thats the way it is,simple.Theres not to many people ive met coppers or not that i would say that about but hes one of them.I owe him nothing,fuck hes a tassle wearing Harley rider but truth is what truth is.

[Katman]

and in all the times weve been out i think we may have hit 120kph for a breif moment

And I have no problem with that (as long as those cops don't head out on Monday to ticket people for 115kph).

There are examples, however (in this thread alone), of police officers doing considerably highers speeds than 120kph.

Acceptable? I think not.

[MarkH]

This should be reading... "I can't speed because the tassles slow me down way to much..."

:bleh:

Yeah, the tassles - nothing to do with riding a Harley? :Pokey:

Having met Scumdog last year, I must say that regardless of his profession, he seemed like a decent bloke. I can't see the sense in believing that someone couldn't possible be a good bugger if they are a member of the police force.

I know there are plenty of arseholes amongst the police, but that doesn't mean that every police officer is necessarily an arsehole. Also - not every police officer spends his days writing tickets for speeding.

[jeffs]

We have moved into the " I don't like some Cops, so great
another chance to bash them". Mode. Sorry Katman if you have had a bad experience with a cop, but not everyone is bad ( and I know you don't think they are - well hope ) Saints can only be found in churches . Sometimes we put people on such high pedestals there is no way they can possibly stay on.

[98tls]

We have moved into the " I don't like some Cops, so great
another chance to bash them". Mode. Sorry Katman if you have had a bad experience with a cop, but not everyone is bad ( and I know you don't think they are - well hope ) Saints can only be found in churches . Sometimes we put people on such high pedestals there is no way they can possibly stay on. Yep tis hard though i seem to have managed.:wari:

[Katman]

(Google really is your friend).

"I, [name], do swear that I will well and truly serve our Sovereign Lady the Queen in the Police, without favour or affection, malice or ill will, until I am legally discharged; that I will see and cause Her Majesty’s peace to be kept and preserved; that I will prevent to the best of my power all offences against the peace; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law. So help me God"



Interesting that it does not have, added to that oath - "and I will ensure that my own conduct equals or exceeds that which I will impose upon others".

[stevewederell]

Totally would, actually he'd be pushing the limits far more than me!!:Punk:

[98tls]

(Google really is your friend).

"I, [name], do swear that I will well and truly serve our Sovereign Lady the Queen in the Police, without favour or affection, malice or ill will, until I am legally discharged; that I will see and cause Her Majesty’s peace to be kept and preserved; that I will prevent to the best of my power all offences against the peace; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law. So help me God"



Interesting that it does not have, added to that oath - "and I will ensure that my own conduct equals or exceeds that which I will impose upon others". "Growth in wisdom maybe exactly measured by decrease in bitterness".Lifes to short let it go.

[Katman]

"Growth in wisdom maybe exactly measured by decrease in bitterness".Lifes to short let it go.

Bitterness is what keeps me young.

:msn-wink:

[Boob Johnson]

...
I like the part that's not there...

The part where you didn't answer to whether you had ever broken the law whilst riding a motorbike :msn-wink:

[Katman]

The part where you didn't answer to whether you had ever broken the law whilst riding a motorbike :msn-wink:

Hey, dumbarse - I'm not the one handing out tickets to others for breaking the law whilst riding a motorbike.

[98tls]

Hey, dumbarse - I'm not the one handing out tickets to others for breaking the law whilst riding a motorbike. Well mate as true as that is surely its better to give than receive?

[Katman]

Well mate as true as that is surely its better to give than receive?

Are you happy to receive punishment for something from someone who is guilty of the same?

[scumdog]

Bitterness is what keeps me young.

:msn-wink:

A pair of cynicism beats a full hand of bitterness

Hence why I'm so young:niceone::msn-wink:

[Big Dave]

A pair of cynicism beats a full hand of bitterness

Hence why I'm so young:niceone::msn-wink:

But would you ride with you?

And if you caught yourself speeding would you DIY a ticket? :laugh:

[Katman]

A pair of cynicism beats a full hand of bitterness

Hence why I'm so young:niceone::msn-wink:

I have a Royal Flush of Bitterness.

:msn-wink:

[scumdog]

But would you ride with you?

And if you caught yourself speeding would you DIY a ticket? :laugh:

Yup, would ride with me but if I was speeding? meh, after some mental turmoil I decided to use my discretion and a warning were the best plan!:wacko:

But next time I'd better look out.:crazy:

[Solly]

To answer the origional question.......have done in the past and will do again. A job is a job is a job, do you take yours home with you out of hours????
Christ, sad life if you do.

[Boob Johnson]

Hey, dumbarse - I'm not the one handing out tickets to others for breaking the law whilst riding a motorbike.
No you aren't & the great unwashed hoards sigh with relief such a person as yourself wears no badge :yes:

But you are the (self imposed) poster boy for all that is holy when it comes to riding "safely". Wasn't that hard to put together was it? Geez even for you I would of thought it an easy step :scratch:

[Ixion]

But would you ride with you?

And if you caught yourself speeding would you DIY a ticket? :laugh:

Mr Scumdog rides a Harley. If he *were* speeding, he wouldn't be able to keep up with himself, to give himself the ticket. :lol:

[Katman]

But you are the (self imposed) poster boy for all that is holy when it comes to riding "safely". Wasn't that hard to put together was it? Geez even for you I would of thought it an easy step :scratch:

What the fuck are you on about?

If you have evidence of me riding unsafely, table it, or shut the fuck up.

[Boob Johnson]

I have a Royal Flush of Bitterness.

:msn-wink:
lol aint that the truth.


Not something to be proud of Katman :rolleyes:



To answer the original question.......have done in the past and will do again. A job is a job is a job, do you take yours home with you out of hours????
Christ, sad life if you do.
But this is Katman were talkin about here :blink:


Black n white, can't think outside the square Katman :wacko:

[Big Dave]

Mr Scumdog rides a Harley. If he *were* speeding, he wouldn't be able to keep up with himself, to give himself the ticket. :lol:

Schrodinger's bust.

[Boob Johnson]

What the fuck are you on about?

If you have evidence of me riding unsafely, table it, or shut the fuck up.
lol ease up on the Bourbons Steve, take a deep breath & go back a few posts (you are as bad as ya mate Pussy, throw ya toys out of the cot so quickly).


I did ASK you if you had ever broken the law whilst riding a motorcycle, you chose to ignore that in the following posts. I just find that terribly interesting given the ferocity with which you attack people that don't agree with you on this subject <_<

[scumdog]

I have a Royal Flush of Bitterness.

:msn-wink:

When you get to 50+ years old your Royal Flush is valueless...and it would never top even a Two of Cynicism anyway...:nono:

[Ixion]

And I have no problem with that (as long as those cops don't head out on Monday to ticket people for 115kph).

There are examples, however (in this thread alone), of police officers doing considerably highers speeds than 120kph.

Acceptable? I think not.

Why not? I bet you have exceeded 120kph. I know I have. I'd wager there's no-one on this site who hasn't , except may be a few whose bikes simply can't (like Mr Scumdog :devil2:). Why should the guy over there be reagrded in a different light to the rest of us?

Now, the few speeding tickets I've had, the cop has been quite non-judgemental about it. "You wuz doing blah". "yes, grovel, plead, wheedle, promise" (Often works , had lots more warnings than tickets). "sorry, but the tolerance we allow is 10kph, got to give you a ticket". "Oh , alright". No lectures about how speeding is the ultimate evil, far worse then mass murder or kiddie fiddling, etc etc. If I was ticketed by a cop who went on thus (and I know they are out there), and then discovered said cop speeding off duty, I would indeed call him a hypocrite. But if the cop just says "You wuz doing blah, sorry law says 100kph, it's my job to dish you out a ticket", well that's not imposing any moral judgement. If I saw him speeding the next day I wouldn't think less of him.

After all, the guy at the tax department who says you must pay all that tax probably bitches about being overtaxed just like you do. It's just his job to collect it. Cops job to give you a ticket if he sees you breaking the speed limit. Maybe he doesn't really believe in the speed limit, but thing is it's his job to enforce the law when on duty. Not just the bits of the law he agrees with. Off duty, another matter.

[Katman]

Why not? I bet you have exceeded 120kph.

I have never said I haven't.

What I have said is that I'm not the one who is issuing tickets to people for doing something that I, myself, have been guilty of.

[Boob Johnson]

I have never said I haven't.

What I have said is that I'm not the one who is issuing tickets to people for doing something that I may have been guilty of.
No but you are the self imposed poster boy for all things holy on two wheels, whats the difference?


:msn-wink:

[scumdog]

(Said rather dryly..) I'm not sure I'd want to ride with anybody who has an issue with riding with cops anyway...maybe I could open a few minds hey, sometimes I feel there's no hope.:(

[Brett]

Where do we draw the line? Is it ok for a police officer to drink and drive/ride, as long as they aren't caught?

Hypocrisy? Of course it's hypocrisy.

The policeman who rides, outside of working conditions, at a speed at which he would ticket someone else is displaying hypocrisy. The police officer who chooses to let them off because that person is a policeman is displaying hypocrisy. The police officer pulled over for speeding is guilty of double hypocrisy for not insisting that the ticket is issued.

I don't know Katman, that seems to be a very hard line approach to take. (not with regards to drink driving, but yes, to speed.)
I think that the main thing is that there is a time and a place for everything. A cop who is off duty and having some fun on his bike would know this, and thus would not be likley to be caught. He would not be doing 200kph down the main highway. Cops are there to administer the law, doesn't mean that they always agree with it in every circumstance.

[Mikkel]

Should a cop be allowed to speed and get away with it. We all know the answer is NO.
Should a non-cop be allowed to speed and get away with it. We all know the answer is still NO.

Rubbish!

It's eating the bullshit raw like this that really gets me. Have we turned into fucking sheep?

1. What is the purpose of the law?
2. What is the purpose of speedlimits?

Answer those two questions truthfully and I am sure that the answers are not:

1. To make sure everybody conform... or else!
2. To make money for the police and make life less fun for a lot of people.

It should be something along these lines:

1. To protect the public from any wrong doing from other individuals, organisations and the government. To be able to punish the wicked who cause hurt onto others.
2. To be able to prosecute people who operate a motorvehicle in an unsafe manner. (And anyone who says all speeding (as defined by the law) is unsafe is a bloody idiot.)


It is our duty to question authority. We're lucky enough to live in on of few countries where people in the past have fought long and hard to have that right. If you just sit down and eat it all raw that freedom won't last long.

A good police officer applies the law where necessary - not whenever the opportunity arises. An officer behaving in that manner will have no trouble retaining the respect of the public - on the other hand, someone who throw their weight around and use their authority in a questionable manner is doing themselves, the force and by extension society a big disservice.

[Boob Johnson]

I have never said I haven't.

What I have said is that I'm not the one who is issuing tickets to people for doing something that I may have been guilty of.
No but you are the self imposed poster boy for all things holy on two wheels, whats the difference?


:msn-wink:




Dunno Boob.
Didn't think so :shifty:


Would you like a warm cup of cocoa to go with your side of hypocrisy


:msn-wink:

[Boob Johnson]

It's eating the bullshit raw like this that really gets me. Have we turned into fucking sheep?
Katman

Eating bullshit raw since................aaaaaaaaages ago



:laugh:

[Brett]

Another thing, it is worth remembering that a cop (other than traffic cops) do a lot more than just traffic, and generally HATE the traffic stuff themselves. I mean, who really wants to go out being all anal giving out tickets to people? (personally I would love to sit at certain traffic lights and nail every red light runner, but that is my little pet hate).

Cops can be Search & rescue, Dive Squad, Dog Squad, Armed Offender Squad, Detectives detecting shit, crime scene investigators etc...not just funny little men and women in blue who nail us for traffic infringements. Some of them do an awesome job of helping other people for shit pay.

[NighthawkNZ]

... sometimes I feel there's no hope.:(

there's hope???? :scratch:

[scumdog]

Will somebody please think of the children.:Offtopic:

And of the cops that might have to ride with you ...:Police:

[Dean]

Maybe that you suck cock and I don't.




Would you like a warm cup of cocoa to go with your side of hypocrisy


:msn-wink:


Would you like a mouthful of warm tartare sauce?

:corn::puke:

[NighthawkNZ]

Cops can be Search & rescue, Dive Squad, Dog Squad, Armed Offender Squad, Detectives detecting shit, crime scene investigators etc...not just funny little men and women in blue who nail us for traffic infringements.

Not forgetting they also scrape up the carnage off the roads as well, which is one thing I fricken well hated when I was a volunteer Firefighter in a hick country town back a few yews ago. Once you see a few accidents I can tell you it makes you think...

[Boob Johnson]

Would you like a mouthful of warm tartare sauce?
Are you going answer the question? Or have you shown yourself to be exactly what you are? :shifty:

[Boob Johnson]

:corn::puke:
lol he is fun to play with isn't he :shifty:

[Mikkel]

Katman

Eating bullshit raw since................aaaaaaaaages ago



:laugh:

Let's be fair though. I can not recall seeing Katman say "Don't break the law." Only that if the majority of bikers ride like idiots it's no wonder that the majority perceive bikers as idiots, and that no one is going to take you serious, nor will you ever learn, if you don't face up and take responsibility for your own actions instead of just shifting the blame and making poor excuses. Nothing wrong with saying that, nothing hypocritical about it... neiter is there anything profound in it, just logic 101. The real shame is that it sometimes seems he missed logic 102 - If I talk down to people and behave like an arse my message will most likely not be heeded. (And to be fair again, sadly he's not the only one doing that... :no: I can however take solace in the fact that I have no message. :yes:)

Looking at my user CP it seems you two guys at least agree upon something - pretty much exactly the same message from both of you to my previous post.

Now shake hands and make up. Or if you wanna continue the tryst there's a thread in PD entitled Sex (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=93087) which sadly lies dormant. ;)

[98tls]

:baby:Fuck this bring out the Gimp.

[Dean]

Don't be fooled.

Boob loves it extra creamy.


lol he is fun to play with isn't he :shifty:

:tugger::tugger::tugger::tugger: dayyyuummm

[Big Dave]

KB - Forest Gimp.

[awayatc]

would I go ride with coppers...?
All the time....
me usualy in front..
Coppers behind...
easy to spot
Flashing lights and all.....

[MadDuck]

would I go ride with coppers...?
All the time....
me usualy in front..
Coppers behind...
easy to spot
Flashing lights and all.....

Well the only way i would go with a copper is with the flashing lights :clap:

[Headbanger]

(Said rather dryly..) I'm not sure I'd want to ride with anybody who has an issue with riding with cops anyway...maybe I could open a few minds hey, sometimes I feel there's no hope.:(


Its my natural instinct to ride away from the police....Nothing personal. Its my opinion that your a man of your word.

Maybe when I'm down your way if we can't go for a ride maybe you can just write me a ticket or something.:done:

[SixPackBack]

Jebus h Christ what the fuck happened to this thread??.....t'was supposed to be an introspective quest to find how others see riding with coppers!:Police:...............It has seemingly turned into another cum fest where Katman smokes pole and Boob swallows.<_<

[MadDuck]

Come on SPB..like you didnt think it would go this way?

[Dean]

It has seemingly turned into another cum fest where Katman smokes pole and Boob swallows.<_<



Katman just cant keep his zip up, look he started it, who knows what stuff he gets up to with Boob:shake::buggerd:::drool::drinkup:

[jeffs]

Rubbish!

It's eating the bullshit raw like this that really gets me. Have we turned into fucking sheep?

Sorry Mikkel you have lost me here :) Maybe being a newbe to KB I have not learned the KB lingo.

I'm sure I was saying the same as you listed in the follow up to your comments.

The use of the following "you" is generic and not meant to portray any real person :)

Yes always question :) But don't cry when you get caught and you have to do the time.

A defense of " I was only doing 200k because the road was straight and visability was 100% and I saw an off duty cop do it at 210k yesterday" Could lead to a stiffer sentence.

You have a right to feel this is an injustice , but don't blame the cop who caught you.

I am off my bike for a few weeks with a hand op, when I come back I will be signing up to the mentor program, I hope one of the mentors in my area is a cop, because I do not care if he nicks me the next day for speeding. Its his job ! and I just like riding.

[98tls]

Katman just cant keep his zip up, look he started it, who knows what stuff he gets up to with Boob:shake::buggerd:::drool::drink up: WTF.................Hes had more bikes than you've had birthdays,get over yourself.If it wasnt for the interweb most of you young cunts wouldnt know what a motorcycle was.

[NighthawkNZ]

If it wasnt for the interweb most of you young cunts wouldnt know what a motorcycle was.

I still don't know what a motorsickle is ;)

[Kickaha]

:
2. To make money for the police and make life less fun for a lot of people.


Except they don't get the money they make from ticket revenue (well fuck all of it anyway)

[celticbhoy]

Found this interesting today after reading this thread for the last few days...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4862894a11.html

"Lawyer Michael Bott said clients had been arrested for failing to provide a sample when police arrived at their house. "What concerns me is the double standard." But anyone who knew the law was entitled to apply it."

It starts at the top of the force? Maybe he was within his rights and maybe a different scenario from being discussed here but isnt it discussed about the "culture" of such a group as the police?

[awayatc]

WTF.................Hes had more bikes than you've had birthdays,get over yourself.If it wasnt for the interweb most of you young cunts wouldnt know what a motorcycle was.

What is a cunt?

Hairy question ...?

[peasea]

Ridden with me a bit eh??

Or professional jealousy??...heheheheeheh...

I don't think even you'd believe that. Anyway, there's no way you don't exceed 100kph at some time or another, come on, be honest. I'm not trying to wind you up, I just don't believe you NEVER go over 100kph.

[Dean]

WTF.................Hes had more bikes than you've had birthdays,get over yourself.If it wasnt for the interweb most of you young cunts wouldnt know what a motorcycle was.

You obviously dont get jokes do you, nothing but a bit of teasing. Dry or funny either way its a joke/attempt.

[jeffs]

What sane COP is going to put in writing that he speeds ? If they did I for one would loose all respect for them, because it would prove that they are stupid.

As if internet forums are not traceable, get real :)

" I never speed on the road, honest !" is the only answer you should put in writing.

Before I get the " Laim spineless, git " comments sent to me. Yes I am when it comes to putting things in writing that could come back to haunt me. And if I was a cop, haunt me right up to the disciplinary tribunal and beyond.

:)

[Ixion]

Quite right. Myself, I *never* speed. Ever. Cos, like, speed kills.

But my disreputable cousin, he's another matter. Looks just like me, rides the same sort of bikes , too. Real copycat. Even has a similar first name. Can't remember his surname off hand, damn Alzheimers. Or where he lives, on the tip of my tongue though.

Anyway , anyone who ever thinks they see me speeding, they are COMPLETELY mistaken. It'll be that cousin of mine. Or lane splitting. Or anything else even remotely naughty.

[Dave-]

would you post on a forum with cops?

[Bonez]

would you post on a forum with cops?Silly question (Who stated there weren't any was a fool.). All KB members are doing it.

[Owl]

I'd be more than happy to ride with a cop. Hell I've had excellent advice and useful information from cops that have issued me with infringement notices. I can only imagine the knowledge and info they'd share if riding with them.:yes:

[Dave-]

Silly question (Who stated there weren't any was a fool.). All KB members are doing it.

no kidding?

I was also told there were no women on the internet too, is this also not true?

[Bonez]

no kidding?

I was also told there were no women on the internet too, is this also not true?You aswered your own question. Congratulations.

[Bonez]

I'd be more than happy to ride with a cop. Hell I've had excellent advice and useful information from cops that have issued me with infringement notices. I can only imagine the knowledge and info they'd share if riding with them.:yes:A fine upstanding piller of the community like yourself having infringement notices is inexcusable :spanking:

[Owl]

A fine upstanding piller of the community like yourself having infringement notices is inexcusable :spanking:

Now that is funny!:laugh: I've had plenty, but I don't think I ever exceeded 50 demerits.

[Bonez]

Now that is funny!:laugh: I've had plenty, but I don't think I ever exceeded 50 demerits.But but think of the fluffy pink bunnies..................:whistle:

Of course moi has never exceeded the speed limit. It was Ixion long lost triplet.....

I've ridden with the odd fuzzy wuzzie, no biggy really.

[MSTRS]

You obviously dont get jokes do you, nothing but a bit of teasing. Dry or funny either way its a joke/attempt.

When you want to run with the big dogs, you have to learn how to not pee like a puppy.
Stop trying to big note yourself...the rest of us are neither impressed nor amused.

[Skyryder]

Jebus h Christ what the fuck happened to this thread??.....t'was supposed to be an introspective quest to find how others see riding with coppers!:Police:...............It has seemingly turned into another cum fest where Katman smokes pole and Boob swallows.<_<



It's the KB way SBP. Attention Deficit Syndrom.:jerry:

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Yep he's alright with me.........even if he does take the odd pot shot at me on here.

Straight talkin'...........it's ah what I like. sorry Big Bobber...er Big Bopper


Skyryder

[Dean]

When you want to run with the big dogs, you have to learn how to not pee like a puppy.
Stop trying to big note yourself...the rest of us are neither impressed nor amused.

Im not trying to "run with the big dogs" and im not trying to "big note myself", i dont know where you got that from.
I dont see no "big dogs" on this thread just ordinary (well not really) riders, who started harmlessly joking around, boob and katman were alright in teasing and saw i found them to be funny also.

[Skyryder]

When you want to run with the big dogs, you have to learn how to not pee like a puppy.
Stop trying to big note yourself...the rest of us are neither impressed nor amused.

Speak for your self and not others. I think the young fella got more spunk than some on here. At least he does not hide behind what is the popular opinion of the moment


Skyryder

[Conquiztador]

Re the original question: Would I ride with coppers? As I mostly ride alone or with people I know really well and I do not know any coppers well, the answer is no, not by my choice.

I tend to have a different look at life compared to the ones who have decided that being a copper is something they really want to do. We all make choices in life and each of them has consequences.

But somehow I think that coppers are not that worried that i do not ride with them...

[Mikkel]

Sorry Mikkel you have lost me here :) Maybe being a newbe to KB I have not learned the KB lingo.

Sorry, I'm trying to get along on my second language... it's not KB lingo.

All I meant was that instead of being a mindless drone and saying "It's the law!" and then follow it, you actually have the obligation to think for yourself and so does the police officer that pulls you over. If people have the mindset that they should just follow the rules and never question authority someone is going to end up in a concentration camp sooner or later. History has taught us at least that.

Also, that some people seem to have forgotten what the purpose of the law is - the law was never intended to be used to strike down each and every transgression but to allow a government to have a legal recourse against those who constitute a real risk towards their fellow man.


Except they don't get the money they make from ticket revenue (well fuck all of it anyway)

So what exactly happens to our money when we pay the velocity duty?

[jeffs]

I find tapeing over your speedo above 100kmh resolves all moral delmars. With this simple modification, I am able to sleep at night, and say " I'm sure I never went above 100kmh, honest " And yes I would still ride with a cop :)



If people have the mindset that they should just follow the rules and never question authority someone is going to end up in a concentration camp sooner or later. History has taught us at least that.


Just to help you, I have stopped someone from beating up a non-christian, and never stopped for a second to decide if it was wrong or right in the eyes of any law :)

[Ixion]

A mph speedo is even better. The sign said 100, but I rode slower than that, cos I know speed kills. My speedo needle never went over 90.

[jeffs]

Thanks for that tip, I think my speedo can be simply converted to MPH. If a cop invites me out on a ride, and his speedo is not working, maybe this will solve his moral delmar as well ;)

[McJim]

Riding with cops isn't the problem really. It's when I start preparing to shoot up and the fuckers want to share my needle that the issues start to appear....:girlfight:....must remember...I am not in Glasgow any more...I am not in Glasgow any more...I am not in Glasgow any more...I am not in Glasgow any more

[FJRider]

Riding with cops isn't the problem really. It's when I start preparing to shoot up and the fuckers want to share my needle that the issues start to appear....:girlfight:....must remember...I am not in Glasgow any more...I am not in Glasgow any more...I am not in Glasgow any more...I am not in Glasgow any more

So where is this Glasgow you speak of... anywhere near Taupo ???

[Boob Johnson]

Let's be fair though. I can not recall seeing Katman say "Don't break the law." Only that if the majority of bikers ride like idiots it's no wonder that the majority perceive bikers as idiots, and that no one is going to take you serious, nor will you ever learn, if you don't face up and take responsibility for your own actions instead of just shifting the blame and making poor excuses. Nothing wrong with saying that, nothing hypocritical about it... neither is there anything profound in it, just logic 101. The real shame is that it sometimes seems he missed logic 102 - If I talk down to people and behave like an arse my message will most likely not be heeded. (And to be fair again, sadly he's not the only one doing that... :no: I can however take solace in the fact that I have no message. :yes:)



All I meant was that instead of being a mindless drone and saying "It's the law!" and then follow it
How many "save bikers from themselves" threads have you read by Katman? They are a plenty, take a read sometime :Pokey:

His sanctimonious one eyed view has gone on for many moons & has attracted many na sayers.




Interesting how he won't answer the question I have posed to him here instead choses to throw obscenities, which he is well known to do when he is boxed in........with the truth <_<

[portokiwi]

:scooter: Nothing wrong with riding with the police:scooter:
Most of them are just like the rest of us.
Just have a hard job to do.

[Grahameeboy]

Think about the answer.

Riding with off duty copper-a good bugger and genuine motorcyclist enthusiast, the kind of person you would be happy to drink with and talk shit. Not likely to say anything unless you make a real coont outa yourself.
Here's the rub.
Now while said copper is not going to report back to base after a spirited sports ride, he will have witnessed excessive speeding, the same type of behaviour that in a day or week he will be ticketing some other hapless soul for........
Tempted, but can't get my head around the hypocrisy.


He is off duty Sixbelly.......tis that simple dude...no hypocrisy at all...when he is on duty he keeps the Law...when he is off duty is has to obey the Law and if he does not and get caught then he pays like the rest of us...

[Grahameeboy]

Riding with cops isn't the problem really. It's when I start preparing to shoot up and the fuckers want to share my needle that the issues start to appear....:girlfight:....must remember...I am not in Glasgow any more...I am not in Glasgow any more...I am not in Glasgow any more...I am not in Glasgow any more

Carbs are a buffer eh......

[peasea]

Carbs are a buffer eh......

Just like EFI?

[peasea]

Riding with cops isn't the problem really. It's when I start preparing to shoot up and the fuckers want to share my needle that the issues start to appear....:girlfight:....must remember...I am not in Glasgow any more...I am not in Glasgow any more...I am not in Glasgow any more...I am not in Glasgow any more

That's the thing; I've declared more than once that I have a liking for things illegal and I simply couldn't be myself in the company of a copper. Maybe I do get up to no good (in the eyes of the law) from time to time, but it's my body and the law is an ass.

I'd rather educate people about what will do what to your bod than chuck anyone with drugs in their pocket into a jail cell. So much legislation segregates the police from the community it's not funny; I'm sure that there would be many occasions where police officers would rather NOT take action in the legal sense but are obliged to do so.

Getting back to the original question; a lot is dependant on the individual(s) and the circumstances, personal views etc and for some it's got a lot to do with history. If you've had a bad run with a bunch of Abbo's would you ride with THEM? I know a bloke who got ripped off by some South Africans and he hates them, will never ride with them etc.

Maybe time will cure the wounds for all of us and we can all ride together in harmony...

Whoah! My chair just rocked but I didn't fall off it.

[98tls]

Whoah! My chair just rocked but I didn't fall off it. That flashback thing sucks,hangover from the 60s.

[scumdog]

Getting back to the original question; a lot is dependant on the individual(s) and the circumstances, personal views etc and for some it's got a lot to do with history. .

Sounds like my thoughts too...

An arsehole is an arsehole whatever their gender or position in society.

[peasea]

That flashback thing sucks,hangover from the 60s.

70's for me, you're showing your age.

[peasea]

Sounds like my thoughts too...

An arsehole is an arsehole whatever their gender or position in society.

Don't forget the clothing.

[Conquiztador]

Sounds like my thoughts too...

An arsehole is an arsehole whatever their gender or position in society.

Blow me! And when do you know if someone is worth it? When the shit hits the fan. And U normally realise that the ones that you were counting on are nowhere to be seen.

But this was about riding, and it is a narrow subject. Not much going on apart from the riding.

[peasea]

Blow me! And when do you know if someone is worth it? When the shit hits the fan. And U normally realise that the ones that you were counting on are nowhere to be seen.

But this was about riding, and it is a narrow subject. Not much going on apart from the riding.

I disagree.

A heck of a lot has 'gone down' on rides that I've been on and on occasion those in attendance have 'been there' for others. What would you call a situation where the 'shit hits the fan'?

Honestly, I can't recall any incident (on a ride) where my mates were needed and they didn't front up. Just as I have never deserted them in the same situation. Spanner required? No prob. Punchup? Get in there. Injuries? Keep a cool head, get an ambo.

Not much going on? Your rides must be confined to the back yard.

[SixPackBack]

He is off duty Sixbelly.......tis that simple dude...no hypocrisy at all...when he is on duty he keeps the Law...when he is off duty is has to obey the Law and if he does not and get caught then he pays like the rest of us...

Yeah you're right this time Grahameeboy.......starting to think its me who has an issue rationalising.:mellow:


Sounds like my thoughts too...

An arsehole is an arsehole whatever their gender or position in society.

Very true Scumdog.

[3umph]

Sounds like my thoughts too...

An arsehole is an arsehole whatever their gender or position in society.

lol... soooooo true :Punk:

[Grahameeboy]

Yeah you're right this time Grahameeboy.......starting to think its me who has an issue rationalising.:mellow:



Very true Scumdog.

I will be round latter darling.....

[howdamnhard]

Ye , why not?

[schado]

Umm, help !!!... have I ridden with any cops? Oh man, do I now need paranoia counselling? Should I suspect that a) there are police officers who ride motorcyles along with KB members who know they are riding with cops b) there are police officers who ride along with KB members who don't know that they are riding with cops c) there are KB members who are cops c) there are KB members who are spies for the cops & who tell tales on KB members c) the police monitor activity on KB including dates, destinations and activities of intended rides and may act on the free intel.

[schado]

also... should I suspect that the letter 'c' does not come after the letter 'c'? Or am I just paranoid? :slap:

[Ixion]

Umm, help !!!... have I ridden with any cops? Oh man, do I now need paranoia counselling? Should I suspect that a) there are police officers who ride motorcyles along with KB members who know they are riding with cops b) there are police officers who ride along with KB members who don't know that they are riding with cops c) there are KB members who are cops c) there are KB members who are spies for the cops & who tell tales on KB members c) the police monitor activity on KB including dates, destinations and activities of intended rides and may act on the free intel.

All of the above.

[007XX]

starting to think its me who has an issue rationalising.:mellow:[/FONT]


Tis part of your charm m'dear :bleh:

I've ridden many times to rallies and other rides with a cop mate of ours, and he has NEVER acted as such when off duty. Didn't even budge when smelling funky smokers around at the Cold Kiwi.

And what Scumdog and Grahameeboy definitely applies. The guy is awesome and not at all "cop like" when off duty.

Thing is, he's a top bloke full stop, wether he wears blue or not...I wouldn't socialise with him if he was a dick.

[SPman]

Mature comments Mark. I'll second that.

They can come in handy too. Some years ago a group of BMWOR riders were enjoying an out of town jaunt when the local constabulary became rather too interested in their doings. The off-duty cop with the BMW group waved down the patrol car, introduced himself, and the law immediately lost interest.
Noel?????.........

[SixPackBack]

It finally happened.
Guess it had to eventually.
I rode with a copper.
Think I'm cured of my Police aversion, hell if the bugger knew how to fish he would be a perfect riding partner.:sunny:












Seriously bro' you have changed my perception of the Police and for that I thank you!

[peasea]

You sick fuck.

[SixPackBack]

You sick fuck.

Totally painless. You should try it.

[Jantar]

Sure, I have ridden with off duty coppers. I have lent a radar detector to a cop in a cage who left our place a bit late one day when he had over 200 kms to go.

Then there are some cops I wouldn't piss on if their arse was on fire.

Its not the fact that they are coppers that determines what sort of person they are, its what sort of person they are that determines what sort of cop they are.

[peasea]

Totally painless. You should try it.

Never I say!

Anyway, did the cop go over 100kph or was he/she the perfect, glimmering pillar of society that they all purport to be?:innocent:

[peasea]

Sure, I have ridden with off duty coppers. I have lent a radar detector to a cop in a cage who left our place a bit late one day when he had over 200 kms to go.

Then there are some cops I wouldn't piss on if their arse was on fire.

Its not the fact that they are coppers that determines what sort of person they are, its what sort of person they are that determines what sort of cop they are.

The arsehole ratio in the force is pretty high though.

[gatch]

I know a polizia who rides, good dude, uses discretion where road rules are concerned, just like every single one of us would hope for if we got pulled up..

Another good mate will hopefully be wearing blue soon as, I've been riding on the road with him since we first got bikes and won't stop just cause of the uniform..

They aren't all donut eating power tripping cunts..

[marty]

unlike on here.

[gatch]

unlike on here.

shhh... they are everywhere

[The Stranger]

Think I'm cured of my Police aversion, hell if the bugger knew how to fish he would be a perfect riding partner.:sunny:


I would have said you had beginner's luck - but then you do know a thing or two about fishing online don't ya.

[SixPackBack]

I would have said you had beginner's luck - but then you do know a thing or two about fishing online don't ya.

I'm a legend in me own lunchtime-but we both know that.

[Bow-Down]

Just get on his good side and go hard :headbang:

[Patch]

glimmering pillar of society that they all purport to be?:innocent:
you don't know very many do you??

[ajturbo]

Its just a job. I take the weekend off from my job too.
lucky prick!!

[peasea]

you don't know very many do you??

I tell you what; I met heaps of coppers when my ex brother in law was in the force and each and every one of them confirmed my suspicions. (Talk about dysfunctional drunkards!)

[peasea]

Totally painless. You should try it.

Thanks but no thanks, I have some grass growing that needs careful observation.

[kevfromcoro]

Havent read all the thread.......... so hope this aiant a repost.........

KB is a very large site ..... and we post all sorts of stuff in here... drugs. drinking ..... and driving... iam sure ther are cops in here ...but there is no trouble from them............ they are just blokes like us.......

[crazyhorse]

If they ride a motorcycle - who gives a rats arse!!!

Why shouldn't they enjoy speed like the rest of us - and as others have said, they are off duty and need to take their own consequences the same as we do.

chill out.

[hayd3n]

its the same thing,
what if he/she is a debt collector??,
etc, etc,
who cares
i know patched members who also ride bikes, and guess what ,they dont wear their patch
if we were worried by who we rode with, we would all probably be riding alone
then we wouldent find all the nice hidden back roads, and have coffee/beer stops throught nz

hes/shes a cop
get over it
clock in clock out

[peasea]

Havent read all the thread.......... so hope this aiant a repost.........

KB is a very large site ..... and we post all sorts of stuff in here... drugs. drinking ..... and driving... iam sure ther are cops in here ...but there is no trouble from them............ they are just blokes like us.......\
....even the females........