Bikers deserve the way people perceive them

[MotoGirl]

I normally have great tolerance for other bikers but sometimes people do things that infuriate drivers and give us all a bad name. Yesterday was one of those days with an experience at the supermarket.

As I entered the parking lot I was aware of the black Ninja 250 following behind me at the same speed. Trying to be courteous, I gave plenty of warning as I slowed down to turn right into another area of the parking lot. Let’s just be clear here, my car never physically stopped.

Apparently when a car is turning right 90 degrees it’s completely acceptable for a low powered bike to zip around it on the right-hand side and then cut it off by veering left in front of it to grab a spot on the footpath. This particular idiot took an unnecessary risk and almost made me collect him. He was in my rear-view mirror one minute then heading for my driver’s door the next. He effectively made me cut him off.

Actions like this piss people off. This person didn’t need to go around a moving vehicle, let alone on the right-hand side of it. His impatience could potentially have cost the taxpayer money through ACC claims and it certainly feeds the negative way that bikers are perceived.

If a fellow biker considers an action to be dangerous and unnecessary, how would a non-biker perceive the same situation? It took all my strength to refrain from knocking some sense into this fucker and telling him to stop ruining my reputation as a biker.


It wasn't my fault, the cage driver didn't see me.

[Headbanger]

Whoever he is, I like him.

Probably a cop.:woohoo:

[Maha]

Yeah but you were in a car so you are in the wrong......right?..:rockon:

Here what ya saying, it happens, sometimes the outcome is fatal but its still the car drivers fault.

[Grizzo]

Yeah but you were in a car so you are in the wrong......right?..:rockon:

Here what ya saying, it happens, sometimes the outcome is fatal but its still the car drivers fault.
ooo, you wait till Katman gets home!

[Kickaha]

Bikers deserve the way people perceive them

Of course they do but most bikers have their heads so far up there own arse they can't see it

[AllanB]

I agree- they should ban those 250's.

[AllanB]

Bikers deserve the way people perceive them

Of course they do but most bikers have their heads so far up there own arse they can't see it



I found that my tinted visor is useless for visibility when I have my helmeted head up my arse..... :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Maha]

ooo, you wait till Katman gets home!

A certain amount of sarcasm was added.....:cool:

[vifferman]

ooo, you wait till Katman gets home!
OMIGOD! :eek:
You're not saying...
Surely it wasn't.... :no:
It couldn't have been...
I don't think The Katman's bike is black...is it...? :confused:

[FJRider]

Did you indicate your intention to turn right... ???

If the answer is NO... You were in the wrong.... Car parks are not exempt from the law...

[reofix]

Motogrl... probably the wrong place to say so... but of course its true... 90%of everything is shit... bikers included

[MotoGirl]

Did you indicate your intention to turn right... ???

If the answer is NO... You were in the wrong.... Car parks are not exempt from the law...

Of course. I wouldn't put a biker at risk of hitting me through not knowing where I was headed.

[wbks]

You're "motoGIRL", and you are contemplating going over to "knock some sense into him"... You're also devoting a thread to the way someone "made you cut them off"... The way you're typing it I wouldn't be surprised if it's not half as bad as you make it out to be. Yes, we all deserve the logo because of cutting someone off... Could have thought of better examples... 280mph literbikes cutting family cars in half, harley riders who are in gangs selling drugs... But hey, road courtesy is pretty up there, too...
Where are the WAAA FUCKING WAAAAAh Tags? None as of yet? Well heres mine.

Don't mean to be a dick about it but, this really seams like a big deal about nothing and it seems comical to me

[CookMySock]

Well I agree with you MG, and I don't. Sure, bikies piss cars off. They burn cars off all the time (ooooo dunnit make yer mad) and they pass on the white lines where cars can't (grrrrrr) and they have loud zorsts which are designed to irritate, and they park on the fucken footpath where cars aren't allowed to.. AND they skip to the front of queues at traffic lights and road works.. Gawd its enough to make yer wanna smash them all innit? :angry2:

What I don't get, is after all this disgusting behaviour, is why bikies are so universally loved and respected? Everywhere we turn up on our bikes, everyone wants to stop and chat. In the car, no such thing does, or could possibly happen, unless they were his'n'her ferraris or some such thing.

I don't think cagers hate bikies. All I get is respect on my bike, and I'm cheeky as fuck. I never wait. I pass anyone, anywhere, anytime. If theres a gap I'll use it. If its' legal loophole I'll exploit it. I always go first.

Steve

[shafty]

Trying to be courteous, I gave plenty of warning as I slowed down to turn right into another area of the parking lot.



It wasn't my fault, the cage driver didn't see me.

Seems clear enough to me.....

Did you think about leaving a note on his/her seat.......

[MadDuck]

harley riders who are in gangs selling drugs... But hey

Apart from being anal towards harley riders and female bikers ... did you have a good day today ?

[awayatc]

I am a male...
Adolf Hitler was a male to...(sort off)
does that give me a bad reputation..?
And if ...so what...
I am responsible just for me....

I Don't get this collective reputation thing....

[MotoGirl]

You're "motoGIRL", and you are contemplating going over to "knock some sense into him"... You're also devoting a thread to the way someone "made you cut them off"... The way you're typing it I wouldn't be surprised if it's not half as bad as you make it out to be. Yes, we all deserve the logo because of cutting someone off... Could have thought of better examples... 280mph literbikes cutting family cars in half, harley riders who are in gangs selling drugs... But hey, road courtesy is pretty up there, too...
Where are the WAAA FUCKING WAAAAAh Tags? None as of yet? Well heres mine.

I don't think KB has enough free space for the examples that me and other KB members could provide about inconsiderate riding and bikers taking unnecessary risks. Regardless of how many examples I have, people don't like hearing that they ride like irresponsible fuckwits.

I'm pointing out that I've had a gutsful of bikers bitching about their reputation being undeserved because they apparently never do anything wrong. We deserve everything we get if we stand aside and let some riders ruin the way the rest of us are perceived. We can't change the perception if we refuse to acknowledge we're doing anything wrong or let someone else know that they're being a dickhead.

Edit: I should add that ignorance is bliss and people don't care about what doesn't affect them and what they can't see. We all know gangs can be dodgey (one of your "proper" examples) but if they're not selling drugs to anyone I know, why do I care? I have far more experience with I can see and what has an impact on my life, such as the inconsiderate bastard that hasn't mastered common courtesy.

[wbks]

Lol, I can see you know me well. Like harleys, nothing agaisnt the riders, but we're talking about steriotyping groups here, aren't we? Sportsbike riders get the rep of being nutters on the road, harleys of being dodgy (c'mon, don't be ignorant, the public perception of a "tough biker gang dude" is described as riding a "harley"... Not sure why you think I'm being anal about female riders... :/ But to answer your question... Meh, kindof. Booring, but can't complain and I'm sitting here casting 10c coins so there you go

[Maha]

You're "motoGIRL", and you are contemplating going over to "knock some sense into him"... You're also devoting a thread to the way someone "made you cut them off"... The way you're typing it I wouldn't be surprised if it's not half as bad as you make it out to be. Yes, we all deserve the logo because of cutting someone off... Could have thought of better examples... 280mph literbikes cutting family cars in half, harley riders who are in gangs selling drugs... But hey, road courtesy is pretty up there, too...
Where are the WAAA FUCKING WAAAAAh Tags? None as of yet? Well heres mine.

Don't mean to be a dick about it but, this really seams like a big deal about nothing and it seems comical to me


280....mph?

[MotoGirl]

Seems clear enough to me.....

Did you think about leaving a note on his/her seat.......

He was right inside the door, hence the temptation to have a few kind words with him.

[Maha]

He was right inside the door, hence the temptation to have a few kind words with him.

Should have just Hurled on his boots, thats your thing eh?....:msn-wink:

[MadDuck]

harleys of being dodgy

Oh yeah I am so very very dodgy. Chuck some of those 10c pieces my way ....I need to fill the bike

[BMWST?]

Did you indicate your intention to turn right... ???

If the answer is NO... You were in the wrong.... Car parks are not exempt from the law...


its good to be right but injured...overtaking in such a situation(ie where the overtakee has an opportunity to turn right) is asking for trouble

[awayatc]

" inconsiderate riding and bikers taking unnecessary risks. Regardless of how many examples I have, people don't like hearing that they ride like irresponsible fuckwits.

I'm pointing out that I've had a gutsful of bikers bitching about their reputation being undeserved because they apparently never do anything wrong. .

You advocating some sort of motorised boyscout movement?....


and we all could wear pink lycra....
and wear a flower in our hair?
And ride electric scooters?
Or ...drive toyota corolla's....?

[wbks]

I don't think KB has enough free space for the examples that me and other KB members could provide about inconsiderate riding and bikers taking unnecessary risks. Regardless of how many examples I have, people don't like hearing that they ride like irresponsible fuckwits.

I'm pointing out that I've had a gutsful of bikers bitching about their reputation being undeserved because they apparently never do anything wrong. We deserve everything we get if we stand aside and let some riders ruin the way the rest of us are perceived. We can't change the perception if we refuse to acknowledge we're doing anything wrong or let someone else know that they're being a dickhead.I see what you're saying but it's pushing shit uphill trying to clean up all the bike riders in the country to stop a colective reputation bikers get. That's like doing the same thing for sportscar drivers IMO. Most get them because they enjoy the experience and the vehicle but a lot buy them because of the easy speed and power and use them on the road as you would expect them to. I'm sure every time most people see a WRX STi on mags driving around people assume "boy racer". Just be glad cops aren't clamping with vigelance every sporty looking bike they see around at night. I am not responsible for what the next biker does, just because I use the same mode of transport...

[Skyryder]

I don't think KB has enough free space for the examples that me and other KB members could provide about inconsiderate riding and bikers taking unnecessary risks. Regardless of how many examples I have, people don't like hearing that they ride like irresponsible fuckwits.

I'm pointing out that I've had a gutsful of bikers bitching about their reputation being undeserved because they apparently never do anything wrong. We deserve everything we get if we stand aside and let some riders ruin the way the rest of us are perceived. We can't change the perception if we refuse to acknowledge we're doing anything wrong or let someone else know that they're being a dickhead.

The public see us en mass as a group and make little distinction other than sports or cruiser riders and them some would not know the difference.

Bikers see themselves as indaviduals. That may be an over generalisation but I think most would agree to some extent with that. As such we pretty much don't offer too much in the way of criticism of how other people ride other than if it is a danger to other riders as on a group ride some will suggest tha tthey improve or fuck off if they don't ride in safe manner. Another generalsation yes but again fair description I think of how we see ourselves. As indaviduals and as a biker gets older they realise their reaction times etc slow down and as such in most cases impose a safer riding level than they did when younger. But what you need to acknowledge is the very reason some bikers ride is to experiance the thrill of going to the edge. Not a wise thing but some bikers need this. The trick is knowing when this is safe and when not or safest as against not.

I'm not in disagreement with you but what you are asking is a pipe dream. It would be nice but for this to happen there would be no bikers at all.


Skyyrder

[Maha]

I see what you're saying but it's pushing shit uphill trying to clean up all the bike riders in the country to stop a colective reputation bikers get. That's like doing the same thing for sportscar drivers IMO. Most get them because they enjoy the experience and the vehicle but a lot buy them because of the easy speed and power and use them on the road as you would expect them to. I'm sure every time most people see a WRX STi on mags driving around people assume "boy racer". Just be glad cops aren't clamping with vigelance every sporty looking bike they see around at night. I am not responsible for what the next biker does, just because I use the same mode of transport...


You just dont get it do ya?

She is not campagning here, merely pointing out a fact of life. And rightfully so. Subaru drivers have small dicks, yet another fact.

[wbks]

280....mph?Very slight exaggeration, there...:wistle:


Oh yeah I am so very very dodgy. Chuck some of those 10c pieces my way ....I need to fill the bikeAnd Sports bike riders are so very much Patrik Furstenhoff copy cats. You don't quite see where I'm going or are just ignoring it for a chance to vent some sarcyness... Either way, ohwell...

[scumdog]

The last lot of dick-heads on bikes on a run last weekend included a Buell, a BMW, a Ninja, a Yamaha Dragstar (or similar Yamaha cruiser) and a Gixxer-type bike.

So all sorts of riding types have twats advertising themselves badly to the public ...

[wbks]

Edit: I should add that ignorance is bliss and people don't care about what doesn't affect them and what they can't see. We all know gangs can be dodgey (one of your "proper" examples) but if they're not selling drugs to anyone I know, why do I care? I have far more experience with I can see and what has an impact on my life, such as the inconsiderate bastard that hasn't mastered common courtesy.Well by your very own logic, you should care because the drug selling harley riders there are (albeit a few skin heads or what ever, but they do exist and are on the news from time to time) giving you a bad rep as a fellow harley rider. Just the same as I should care what other bikers do because the shitheads give me and you a bad rep in the public eye, right?


You just dont get it do ya? I see you nicely edited out that little "knob" there...

She is not campagning here, merely pointing out a fact of life. And rightfully so. Subaru drivers have samll dicks, yet another fact.And I'm pointing out that it's not every subie drivers responsibility to stop all other subaru drivers from driving badly to stop a bad reputation given to them. Knob

[MotoGirl]

I am not responsible for what the next biker does, just because I use the same mode of transport...

We are not obliged to care about what other bikers do. It's just a bastard when all bikers have a stigma attached to them and get targeted because of actions not necessarily caused by them.

[Her_C4]

Subaru drivers have samll dicks, yet another fact.

(indignantly said..) I assure you that I haven't:buggerd:

[MadDuck]

it's not every subie drivers

A subie driver rides or drives what? Yes I am sacastic ...its just my nature!

[wbks]

We are not obliged to care about what other bikers do. It's just a bastard when all bikers have a stigma attached to them and get targeted because of actions not necessarily caused by them.Yea but the "blissfully ignorant" comment makes one think, you think that we should enlighten ourselves and do something about it. But I'm just making assumptions, so forget I ever said anything. I mean, at least I now know I'm an anal bastard who hates harley riders and even women who ride. :niceone:


A subie driver rides or drives what? Yes I am sacastic ...its just my nature!Sarcasm is always better when it's not in my direction:doh:

[CookMySock]

He was right inside the door, hence the temptation to have a few kind words with him.I'm glad you didn't. Sounds like it was touch and go there though. :lol:


We are not obliged to care about what other bikers do. It's just a bastard when all bikers have a stigma attached to them and get targeted because of actions not necessarily caused by them.Cmon MG, where and when is this happening? I'm not seeing it. Yeah maybe some motorist rarely gives me attitude, but I fix that with a flick of the throttle - problem rapidly becomes a distant memory.

Steve

[Maha]

(indignantly said..) I assure you that I haven't:buggerd:

Females excluded....:eek:

[Ixion]

Y' all ever notice how many threads about bikers doing evil things, or not wearing approved gimp suits and such like start out "I was in my car .... "

Just saying.

[Maha]

And I'm pointing out that it's not every subie drivers responsibility to stop all other subaru drivers from driving badly to stop a bad reputation given to them. Knob

Yes I did edit my post, it was uncalled for.

[MadDuck]

Just saying.

Well dont ... ok?

[MotoGirl]

I'm glad you didn't. Sounds like it was touch and go there though. :lol:

Cmon MG, where and when is this happening? I'm not seeing it. Yeah maybe some motorist rarely gives me attitude, but I fix that with a flick of the throttle - problem rapidly becomes a distant memory.

Steve
It may not be you that receives the attitude. It could the biker directly behind you that wears the wraith of a pissed off car driver.

We would be very silly to think that one rider's actions towards someone in a car cannot affect how that particular driver treats the rest of the group, or that driver's attitude towards bikers in the future.

A biker only has to annoy a driver one too many times for that person to have a lifelong hate for everyone on two wheels.

[MotoGirl]

Y' all ever notice how many threads about bikers doing evil things, or not wearing approved gimp suits and such like start out "I was in my car .... "

Just saying.

Irrespective of what we're doing when we see poor behaviour, it's still wrong. Some bikers may be recreational only but this doesn't make us any less qualified to judge dangerous riding.

[Mikkel]

Of course. I wouldn't put a biker at risk of hitting me through not knowing where I was headed.

And you've checked that your rear right indicator is working? ;)

I had an experience on the motard not long ago. I was waiting to turn left at the lights and a bloody car sneaks up along my left hand side. I was thinking "WTF is all this then?" starting to get pissed off. Then he opened his window and told me that my tail-light wasn't working, but that my brakelight was. I had no idea if he hadn't told me - and there I was about to get pissed off with the fella. Just saying...


Subaru drivers have small dicks, yet another fact.

I can not belive that. Considering how many Subarus are on the road I'm pretty sure Subaru drivers would necessarily dictate the average penis size. :yes:

[Dean]

Subaru drivers have small dicks, yet another fact.

The question is, how would you know?? have you been doing a survey:buggerd:

[RT527]

Y' all ever notice how many threads about bikers doing evil things, or not wearing approved gimp suits and such like start out "I was in my car .... "

Just saying.

Hmmm I drive trucks for a living....And spend anything from 10-13 hrs physically driving the roads , I see many dick heads in all modes of transport, But I have to agree with MG here.
Oh and why cant you lane splitters learn to be Polite when someone moves there rather large truck over as far as he can so you can get past safely...oh thats right I had 4 guys 1 in gang patch and 3 others riding with him toot and wave out when I moved over for them, really made my day until my return trip home when 12 bikes went past me splitting and I moved over for all but 1 of them and not one of the 12 waved or acknowledged me.
So guess what look out for me now cause I wont be letting you through anymore.

[CookMySock]

It may not be you that receives the attitude. It could the biker directly behind you that wears the wraith of a pissed off car driver. I have learned that no matter how strongly I feel, or how wrongly I think I am treated, I have no right to take violent action against others. People in cars (or on bikes) carry the same responsibility, and if piss a car driver off then that is too bad. There are plenty of times I am pissed off, but I may not use my vehicle as a weapon, and that is the law - stiff titty, boo hoo hoo, take a number please! Maybe this is what you're really worried about MG, is some asshole motorist doing bad things to you. Maybe someone already has.


A biker only has to annoy a driver one too many times for that person to have a lifelong hate for everyone on two wheels.Perhaps, but I think you are overstating the problem somewhat. I take great mirth from passing cars in little gaps, and lots of other cheeky shit too, and that is at least 50% of what I enjoy about biking. If they don't like it, then they should get a bike too, or.. whatever.. I don't care. Biking is vastly more amusing than being in a car.


[....] I had 4 guys 1 in gang patch and 3 others riding with him toot and wave out when I moved over for them, really made my day until my return trip home when 12 bikes went past me splitting and I moved over for all but 1 of them and not one of the 12 waved or acknowledged me.
So guess what look out for me now cause I wont be letting you through anymore.I ALWAYS wave at vehicles that let me through. So THANK YOU from me, if that will help repair the damage there. Letting me through GREATLY improves the quality of my biking experience. I'm amazed you had a patched rider "toot and wave" though - geez he will giving ya a kiss next. Better watch out if you're stopped at the loo's up the road.

Steve

[Number One]

I don't think KB has enough free space for the examples that me and other KB members could provide about inconsiderate riding and bikers taking unnecessary risks.

Absolutely there are knob ends on bikes out there. Had a pearler of an example yesterday coming home from work. Pulled straight across a deserted motorway (behind) to the right hand lane. Ended up behind another biker (very shexxy sounding something whatever it was but that is irrelevant) anyway, I see him look in his mirrors see me and then he proceeds to scream off riding like a fuckwit splitting up the already doing 100+k traffic - which by the way was building to full rush hour. I think he thought I wanted to race him..like ummm NO I value both my license and my life thanks. Anyway I do my normal thing of using the gaps to pass, indicating each move and allowing time for the drivers to see me behind, beside and then wanting to get in front. As I am doing this I notice MR FAST BIG BALLS still splitting like a twat meh good on ya mate whatever. There were cars making that surprised swerve you see them do and I even saw one driver shake his fist at the guy. SO turns out me and MR FAST BIG BALLS are going the same way taking the same exit and everything...and guess what? For all his stupid and illegal moves he didn't get that far ahead anyway - infact I ended up pulling in behind him at the motorway exit :buggerd: BUT no matter he must've felt really cool anyway :lol: Then as we ride up into the 50K residential area he decides I can only imagine something along the lines of 'he is far too cool to have another biker behind him' so he carves up all the traffic. Good one mate! I was soooo impressed I weed a little in breathy excitement NOT. I giggled to myself wondering what he would have made of knowing it was a GIRL behind him....would he have responded with the 'ya wanna race me - you won't beat me' attitude I wonder...


I'm pointing out that I've had a gutsful of bikers bitching about their reputation being undeserved because they apparently never do anything wrong. We deserve everything we get if we stand aside and let some riders ruin the way the rest of us are perceived. We can't change the perception if we refuse to acknowledge we're doing anything wrong or let someone else know that they're being a dickhead.

Fair enough but don't let it bother you too much eh? The sad fact is that people will continue to ride like cocks if that's what they want to do and there is nothing anyone can say that will stop them doing it. As for saying we deserve everything we get - I disagree completely! We can't change these peoples attitudes - that is something only they can do and no amount of our bitching will do it. This element exists everwhere. The important thing is that drivers see that some of us are respectful road users who will give them a wave for their courtesy and what not. Well that's how I look at it anyway

On a positive note. Not all drivers hate us. A good example. Got to the Lower Hutt lights the other day. Traffic backed up in all lanes and lights had just gone red. Tootling slowly down the centre I made my way to the front....about 300m away! As I got within 50m there was a car in the right hand lane that was quite far left in his lane...no room to fit through so I stop and patiently wait for the traffic to get moving again. BUT WAIT! This guy looks up, turns his head, sees me and then puts the car in gear and quickly pulls up and over to let me through. I pulled up beside his window and gave him a smile, thumbsup and thank you wave he merrily smiles back and waves me on. Good man! Then another thought went through my mind...how many bikers would have stopped to acknowledge his action? I would like to say we all would be so courteous to, but I have been that driver and bikers often don't...as they are entitled to be made way for clearly :oi-grr:

Anyway don't let it get you down too much - I believe those that are the worst for the crappy biker behaviour are those that won't be changing it any time soon and certainly not because of what anyone else thinks. Just ride your ride and laugh at the twats out there cos they ain't listening and they don't define YOUR behaviour.

[scumdog]

I have learned that no matter how strongly I feel, or how wrongly I think I am treated, I have to right to take violent action against others. Steve

Huh?

Is there a word or something missing from the above statement??:confused:

Like maybe 'no'?

[Grahameeboy]

Bikers deserve the way people perceive them

Of course they do but most bikers have their heads so far up there own arse they can't see it

How can they see when it is so dark

[CookMySock]

Huh?

Is there a word or something missing from the above statement??:confused:

Like maybe 'no'?Yes, thank you scumdog. Typo fixed, whew.

Steve

[74 knuckle]

Ha! what a crack up. Motogirl you talk of perception Yet you've percieved this biker did this to piss you off. Perhaps his/her mind was so focused on what he/she had to do, that there riding focus wasn,t what it should've been. Perhaps they too went home to change there undies afterward!!!! Have you apologised everytime you've pissed a cagey off? I took my bike to work the other day and was almost collected by a cagey in the carpark, However rather than take off and get pissed about it. I stopped to make sure she was okay, as I could only feel how frghtening it may have been for her also. Turned out she was the topdog to the place and she has been very obliging to all our needs since:eek:

[Big Dave]

Ohhhh nooooooooo - my reputation is ruined - what am I going to do!!!!!!

[awayatc]

victim support...?

[Big Dave]

victim support...?

I was thinking 'burnouts' - but if she's good looking.......

[vifferman]

Whelp, while I don't think you should've "knocked some sense into" the guy on the 250, I think it might have been a good idea to at least point out he very nearly got collected, that what he did was risky and rude, and that you were saying this as a fellow biker.

[FJRider]

Of course. I wouldn't put a biker at risk of hitting me through not knowing where I was headed.

Then obviously the biker was at fault... GOD... what am I saying ..:doh: