WSBK big bang r1... FAIL.

[skidMark]

Dammit i was hoping the big bang would whip some ass...

I spose it comes down to who is at the controls...

10th and 16th in race one...

Sad to see...

:no:

Hopefully they will get the hang of it and start you know...winning.

[Headbanger]

You know Mark, Sometimes I think people are way to harsh on you, then other times I think your just a fuckstick.

[skidMark]

You know Mark, Sometimes I think people are way to harsh on you, then other times I think your just a fuckstick.


Sorry i don't listen to anybody retarded enough to pay money for a harley.

[cowpoos]

Dammit i was hoping the big bang would whip some ass...

I spose it comes down to who is at the controls...

10th and 16th in race one...

Sad to see...

:no:

Hopefully they will get the hang of it and start you know...winning.

Shit you can be a dumb prick sometimes...the machine got pole on debut...with a debut rider...he has some misfortune on the second corner...its no reflection on the rider or the machine really is it...

So why doncha just keep your opinion to your self...because your full of shit 99% of the time.

[skidMark]

Shit you can be a dumb prick sometimes...the machine got pole on debut...with a debut rider...he has some misfortune on the second corner...its no reflection on the rider or the machine really is it...

So why doncha just keep your opinion to your self...because your full of shit 99% of the time.


Pole doesnt mean shit if you cant finish in 1st now does it, its's how you finish not how you start

I suppose that shows the bike has promise, but no point if the rider can do well on his own in qualifying, but when other riders are on the track he can't get to the front...

I wanted a discussion not a you don't know shit mark, i did not put the first post in a way, dissapointment. Not oh its a steaming hunk of shit, i was/am actually hoping it will do well because then all bikes will go to this engine design...we hope.

Put the handbag away tana.

[Maha]

Ducati/Suzuki.....Ducati....Job done!
What a race!...well 1st and 2nd anyway, thats all we saw right?

[Maha]

Pole doesnt mean shit if you cant finish in 1st now does it, its's how you finish not how you start


Probably right Mark....Max B had nobody in front of him before the race...he finished 10th-11th??

[skidMark]

Probably right Mark....Max B had nobody in front of him before the race...he finished 10th-11th??


Yeah but hes a washed up has been mate :laugh:

[White trash]

Sure was a dissapointing finish for Yamaha young fella, but I'd wait for race II. Mr Spies obviously had the speed, bad luck forced him out of contention.

I think we'll see a far better performance from him in the second leg.

Good racing all round I reckon though:)

[MotoGirl]

We missed the very start of the race and came in when Spies was down in 23rd. What happened to him and how come the RSV4 lost its second-on-pole position to wind up at 11th?

[yod]

jeebus that zooki's quick tho, if it didn't eat tyres Neukirchner would've had Haga at the finish

[Kickaha]

We missed the very start of the race and came in when Spies was down in 23rd. What happened to him and how come the RSV4 lost its second-on-pole position to wind up at 11th?

Because Max B is rubbish:baby:

Corser on the BMW did better than I expected though

[White trash]

We missed the very start of the race and came in when Spies was down in 23rd. What happened to him and how come the RSV4 lost its second-on-pole position to wind up at 11th?
Biaggi had a little bobble in turn two while Spies was on the outside of him. Sent the Yamaha dirt tracking, he did fucken well to stay on it.

The fucken Suzuki is AMAZINGLY fast, can't wait to see race two.

[White trash]

i was/am actually hoping it will do well because then all bikes will go to this engine design...we hope.


I'll give you some discussion mate.

Why do we hope all engines will go in this direction? It's actually yet to be proven.

[skidMark]

I'll give you some discussion mate.

Why do we hope all engines will go in this direction? It's actually yet to be proven.


Because every other inline 4 is basically a divided twin....

With all the pistons firing at different times = stupid oodles of power....

instead of 2 and 3 firing together then 1 and 4 firing together...

It's something that should have happened long ago... yamaha have just mastered the dark art of engine balancing with a 90 degree crank...

[skidMark]

Biaggi had a little bobble in turn two while Spies was on the outside of him. Sent the Yamaha dirt tracking, he did fucken well to stay on it.

The fucken Suzuki is AMAZINGLY fast, can't wait to see race two.


Yeah that gixxer is blardy quick i must admit... ya reckon he just had a couple of psi to many in the rear? was he having issues all along? i wouldnt think it would eat the tyres that fast... i missed half of race 1.

[White trash]

Because every other inline 4 is basically a divided twin....

With all the pistons firing at different times = stupid oodles of power....

instead of 2 and 3 firing together then 1 and 4 firing together...

It's something that should have happened long ago... yamaha have just mastered the dark art of engine balancing with a 90 degree crank...
Almost. Inlines traditionally fire in two pairs, however having four cylinders firing at different times wont nessecarily develop more guts, it's just a smaller power hit with each "fire", meaning it's easier to ride. It also leaves a bigger gap between firing.

The actual crank is not balanced at all, they've mastered nothing in that regard, and had to beef the shit out of the crank journals to hold the thing in one bit. To minimize vibration, they've thrown on a big balance shaft, whic in turn sucks power.

That being said, they're heading in a cool new direction and it's the first R1 of yet hankered to have a hoon on. I understand it's spectacular to ride.

[White trash]

Yeah that gixxer is blardy quick i must admit... ya reckon he just had a couple of psi to many in the rear? was he having issues all along? i wouldnt think it would eat the tyres that fast... i missed half of race 1.
Dunno if it waould be a tyre pressure problem, more likely the Suzuki is a harder on tyres due to its power delivery compared with the Spaghetti machine.

I've not yet seen Haga look as smooth and in control as today.

[skidMark]

Dunno if it waould be a tyre pressure problem, more likely the Suzuki is a harder on tyres due to its power delivery compared with the Spaghetti machine.

I've not yet seen Haga look as smooth and in control as today.


Yeah very different power delivery up top end... the ducatis power more down low i would assume?

Yeah the ducati was bloodey planted though, then again the squirrely gixxer next to him probably made him look a bit better....

[cowpoos]

Almost. Inlines traditionally fire in two pairs, .

Nah...has two piston at top dead centre at same time. 1 and 4 then 2 and 3...but 1 will fire on the first revolution of the crank...and 4 will fire on the second as 1 is expelling exhaust gases... 180 degree firing... 4 times 180 = 720...or 2 revolutions of the crank.


How about that Ant west!!! fucking lil gun!!

[Katman]

Nah...has two piston at top dead centre at same time. 1 and 4 then 2 and 3...but 1 will fire on the first revolution of the crank...and 4 will fire on the second as 1 is expelling exhaust gases... 180 degree firing... 4 times 180 = 720...or 2 revolutions of the crank.




Actually, most motorcycle engines fire near TDC on the compression stroke and the exhaust stroke. The second one just doesn't do anything useful.

[White trash]

Nah...has two piston at top dead centre at same time. 1 and 4 then 2 and 3...but 1 will fire on the first revolution of the crank...and 4 will fire on the second as 1 is expelling exhaust gases... 180 degree firing... 4 times 180 = 720...or 2 revolutions of the crank.


How about that Ant west!!! fucking lil gun!!
Whatever. You know what I fucken meant. Cock.

[cowpoos]

Actually, most motorcycle engines fire near TDC on the compression stroke and the exhaust stroke. The second one just doesn't do anything useful.


Okay mister....what was ment by firing in my post was the firing on the air fuel mixture...But you knew that...as you well knew that a few degrees after TDC aswell.... now stop being a picky dicky :bleh:

[skidMark]

Nah...has two piston at top dead centre at same time. 1 and 4 then 2 and 3...but 1 will fire on the first revolution of the crank...and 4 will fire on the second as 1 is expelling exhaust gases... 180 degree firing... 4 times 180 = 720...or 2 revolutions of the crank.


How about that Ant west!!! fucking lil gun!!


Ahhhh not sure there sonny jim...

Most inline 4's only have 2 coils...

one for 1 and 4

the other for 2 and 3...

They deliver the spark at the same time.

[cowpoos]

Whatever. You know what I fucken meant. Cock.

Funny...Drew often responds like that too :Pokey:

So who winning race two Mr...your estemed prediction?

[Katman]

as you well knew that a few degrees after TDC aswell

Actually, a few degrees before TDC.

:whistle:

[cowpoos]

Ahhhh not sure there sonny jim...

Most inline 4's only have 2 coils...

one for 1 and 4

the other for 2 and 3...

They deliver the spark at the same time.

Firing order is the order the engine fires its mixture of fuel and air.....jesssusss!! You and Katman!!!!!! lay off the P guys!!

[cowpoos]

Actually, before TDC.

:bleh:
Nah after :bleh:

[skidMark]

Firing order is the order the engine fires its mixture of fuel and air

I still vote your a fag. :done:

[skidMark]

Nah after :bleh:


It's not Katman's fault he fires prematurely.

[Katman]

The sparkplug fires a few degrees before TDC so the flame front has travelled through the entire air/fuel mixture by the time the piston begins it's power stroke.

[Mystic13]

Firing order is the order the engine fires its mixture of fuel and air.....jesssusss!! You and Katman!!!!!! lay off the P guys!!

And here's me thinking it was the firing order of the plugs but it's the same difference.

But how does a discussion on wsbk's go from riders and machines to whether there is ignition before or after top dead centre. And yes it's before because of the "flame travel". And probably other reasons as well.

But back on topic.

One thing is for sure, wsbk is going to be interesting to watch and it's going to be @#$%^ hard to pick the winner each race.

[Edbear]

Ah KB! Where everyone wuvs each uvver, where tolerance and understanding reign and everyone believes the best of the other... Where we're all experts in our fields and knowledge reigns supreme...

Nah, where's the fun in that...? :bleh:

Actually, notice that no matter what "developments" the manufacturers come up with these days, the internal combustion engine is very well understood and gains are marginal to the point that it is really down to rider ability and tuning the bike to the tyres.

The real MotoGP riders are so good that the average Jo, ie: you and me and even in my opinion, (:confused:), racer's of the calibre of most of NZ's talent wouldn't be able to make the most of any of the MotoGP bikes.

It is down to eensy tiny percentages and luck plays as big a role as talent in MotoGP and in such as Formula 1 these days.

But very entertaining to watch and to see the acts of pure talent by someone riding the blue-blazes out of a 240hp bike, is amazing!

[Katman]

But how does a discussion on wsbk's go from riders and machines to whether there is ignition before or after top dead centre.

But back on topic.



You sound like great moderator material.

[98tls]

Race 2 and Prilla up to second with the Yamaha 3rd.........good racing so far.

[98tls]

Still say its no good Skiddy,great race well done to the Yamaha team.

[robertydog]

Bloody awesome

[yod]

yep, top effort to smoke the ducs

what was that about FAIL?

[cowpoos]

Nah after :bleh:

I pondered for a bit...yeah I'm wrong about that.


And yes it's before because of the "flame travel". .

yeah...what you and katman said :)

[skidMark]

Race 2...the result i wanted...

:drool:

Now to go buy one. :banana:

[98tls]

Race 2...the result i wanted...

:drool:

Now to go buy one. :banana: What happens if they lose next time?

[skidMark]

What happens if they lose next time?


Then thats racing, race 1 just didnt look promising and i want this bike to do well.

[Madmax]

Ahhhh not sure there sonny jim...

Most inline 4's only have 2 coils...

one for 1 and 4

the other for 2 and 3...

They deliver the spark at the same time.

This is called lost spark
Look it up
:shifty:

[ducatilover]

Ahhhh not sure there sonny jim...

Most inline 4's only have 2 coils...

one for 1 and 4

the other for 2 and 3...

They deliver the spark at the same time.

wasted spark system, will only ignite in one cyl which obviously is the one nearing the end of its compression stroke. although an engine under load and/or at high reves will be igniting the air fuel mixture more than 40* btdc....
basic stuff.

[MidnightMike]

Is this on SKY or something?

Was really keen on seeing what the new bikes (BMW/YAMAHA/RSV4) could do.

Hmmm. Maybe it will be on at drivers.

[vifferman]

Most inline 4's only have 2 coils...

one for 1 and 4

the other for 2 and 3...

Except for the ones that have coils on the plugs.
Oh wait - is that only VFR800s? :confused:
And then there's the engines that fire twice on the compression stroke - just to make sure the fire doesn't go out.
But I think that might be only those slow-revving four-wheeld thingies....

[ducatilover]

Except for the ones that have coils on the plugs.
Oh wait - is that only VFR800s? :confused:
And then there's the engines that fire twice on the compression stroke - just to make sure the fire doesn't go out.
But I think that might be only those slow-revving four-wheeld thingies....

the bros650 had a twin spark set up.

[Mystic13]

yep thanks for the notice on the engine stuff but for those of us who don't have sky and don't know the results yet can you give us a quick run down on the race 2 results.

[skidMark]

Except for the ones that have coils on the plugs.
Oh wait - is that only VFR800s? :confused:
And then there's the engines that fire twice on the compression stroke - just to make sure the fire doesn't go out.
But I think that might be only those slow-revving four-wheeld thingies....


Yeah the modern thous have that sort, i assume most modern bikes do...

Early 90's inline 4's AFAIK all ran just 2 coils.

[skidMark]

yep thanks for the notice on the engine stuff but for those of us who don't have sky and don't know the results yet can you give us a quick run down on the race 2 results.


Race 1.... 1st.... N Haga.... 2nd some dude on a gixxer.... 3rd some dude on a gixxer...

Race 2.... American dude on the new r1..... Ducati (n haga).....not sure who was 3rd...

Shrug lol

[Katman]

Race 1.... 1st.... N Haga.... 2nd some dude on a gixxer.... 3rd some dude on a gixxer...

Race 2.... American dude on the new r1..... Ducati (n haga).....not sure who was 3rd...



Tit's on a bull springs to mind.

[skidMark]

Tit's on a bull springs to mind.


Junkie on meth...springs to mind.