Rules question (unusual case)

[rwh]

Dad asked me this the other day, and not being a racer, I don't have a clue.

If the lead rider is approaching the finish line, and comes off (perhaps due to an overcooked celebratory wheelie?), and both bike and rider continue to slide over the line, does that still count for the win? Timed from the bike (where the transponder is) or the rider (I guess whichever finishes later)?

I guess the same rules would apply if your bike breaks down and you have to push it over the line?

Silly question, I know :-)

Richard

[sharky]

I expect if the bike makes it over the line, the transponder would register it as having completed the lap.

[Benk]

Yup, surely be the same as Hayden running out of gas, and rolling over the line last season.

[Sully60]

Yep a bloke did just that in the winter series a few years ago now, the bike wound up into a slapper through the kink on the front straight at Manfeild and spat him off just before the line. It was the first year we used transponders, he and the bike crossed the bike separately in second place and that's how the results were taken.

[roadracingoldfart]

Bike and rider must cross the line together to confirm a result.

[MaxB]

Didn't the FIM have a rule that said the a bike must be under the riders full control duiring a race?

So a blown motor, no fuel etc. would be OK but sliding over the line on your arse would not.

[steveyb]

Bike and rider must be together at the finish to be considered to have finished.
Rider can push bike over the line.
Rider can finish in the pit lane (in some jurisdictions but not all).
Rider must be in control of the bike.
To use an analogy most in NZ will understand: If a rugby player has the ball over the try line, but loses it (backwards so that it is not a knock-on) and the ball then touches the ground, no try is scored.
No different here!

[yod]

To use an analogy most in NZ will understand: If a rugby player has the ball over the try line, but loses it (backwards so that it is not a knock-on) and the ball then touches the ground, no try is scored.
No different here!

so if i'm 15 out from the line and chip the bike past the guy in front of me, then regather and force the bike, does that still count?

[wysper]

so if i'm 15 out from the line and chip the bike past the guy in front of me, then regather and force the bike, does that still count?

The TMO might have to check to see if none of your team mates were infront of the kicker, but other wise it should be sweet.

[steveyb]

Now I WANNA see that!!!
Mission Impossible eat your heat out!

[idb]

It could be done...racing for the line in third place, two riders side-by-side ahead of you, no room to get past, you "lay it down" (ref: numerous KB threads), kick away so that you go 'round one side of the other riders and the bike 'round the other, re-gather bike and slide across the finish line to rapturous acclamation...

[Skunk]

Rider can push bike over the line.

The park-it rules says you can't do that...

[svs]

The park-it rules says you can't do that...

Ah, the joys of conflicting rules ...... (but there is a get out on this one)

6-8-5 A competitor in full safety gear may push their machine over the finish line on the last lap under the chequered flag, at the discretion of the Steward of the meeting.

So technically yes - they could finish. But practically with the 'park it' rule i image you'd be strongly discouraged not to.

[svs]

Sorry. old rule book.

6-8-5 in current form adds: This Rule does not apply to Road Racing; refer rule 22-1a.

Can't find 22-1a but the 'park it' rule:

22-1-1 If during practice or racing a competitors machine malfunctions or becomes disabled for any reason and the competitor is unable to continue racing s/he must hold their line until it is safe to move as quickly and as safely as possible from the track. The machine must be parked as far from the track as practical and the rider should move to the safest available position.

Still doesn't exactly explain what happens if you slide over the line on your arse...

[Clivoris]

Geez. Nerds. Go and surf some porn or something :bleh:

[rwh]

Sorry. old rule book.

6-8-5 in current form adds: This Rule does not apply to Road Racing; refer rule 22-1a.

Can't find 22-1a but the 'park it' rule:

22-1-1 If during practice or racing a competitors machine malfunctions or becomes disabled for any reason and the competitor is unable to continue racing s/he must hold their line until it is safe to move as quickly and as safely as possible from the track. The machine must be parked as far from the track as practical and the rider should move to the safest available position.

So you can (have to) keep pushing, straight ahead (on your line) if it's not safe to park it :)

IIRC Manfeild has big concrete walls both sides, so parking would indeed be difficult?

Richard

[Clivoris]

So you can (have to) keep pushing, straight ahead (on your line) if it's not safe to park it :)

IIRC Manfeild has big concrete walls both sides, so parking would indeed be difficult?

Richard

All I can imagine is watching someone struggling to push his bike accross the finish line while 4 guys fighting for third place are hitting the apex coming out of Dunlop. What happens if one of them is watching the guy next to him and not what is happening on the finish line?