"You're a road user, and you just ran a red light!"

[jrandom]

This morning, I was, for the first time, subjected to the practical effects of the let's-moralise-at-perfect-strangers philosophy.

Perhaps because I'm much less forbidding-looking in bright lycra on a Trek than I am behind a dark visor on a GSX1400?

It was both deeply ridiculous and mildly irritating.

To the splutteringly indignant ZZR250 rider who felt it necessary to attempt to converse with me on the subject of red lights and how one shouldn't conserve momentum through them, I hereby dedicate the rest of my day's illegal maneuvers.

Given his somewhat apoplectic reaction to a cyclist blowing through an empty stoplight-controlled pedestrian crossing (no, it wasn't an actual road intersection), I suspect that some of my later downtown antics would have left him in need of actual medical attention.

:doobey:

Motorcyclists (particularly those of the learner/restricted licence variety, for some reason) can be such self-righteous twats. My resolve to never behave like that has been well strengthened.

Peace out, y'all!

[Mikkel]

I hope you told him that you would ridicule him on an internet biker forum - that would really have made him regret moralising like that :yes:

[jrandom]

I hope you told him that you would ridicule him on an internet biker forum...

The best comeback lines always occur to one about thirty seconds after the opportunity to use them passes.

[ducatilover]

Some people are kay en oh bees

[Headbanger]

It was both deeply ridiculous and mildly irritating.

Thats the exact same feeling outsiders get when forced to converse with Aucklanders.

Strange breed, worthy of study.

Hail Banksy, Hail.

[nodrog]

.......... in bright lycra..........

oh for fucksakes, what time do you have dinner? my dinner time was now, im not hungry anymore!

p.s. i reported you post as abuse, to my imagination.

[Grizzo]

This morning, I was, for the first time, subjected to the practical effects of the let's-moralise-at-perfect-strangers philosophy.

Perhaps because I'm much less forbidding-looking in bright lycra on a Trek than I am behind a dark visor on a GSX1400?

It was both deeply ridiculous and mildly irritating.

To the splutteringly indignant ZZR250 rider who felt it necessary to attempt to converse with me on the subject of red lights and how one shouldn't conserve momentum through them, I hereby dedicate the rest of my day's illegal maneuvers.

Given his somewhat apoplectic reaction to a cyclist blowing through an empty stoplight-controlled pedestrian crossing (no, it wasn't an actual road intersection), I suspect that some of my later downtown antics would have left him in need of actual medical attention.

:doobey:

Motorcyclists (particularly those of the learner/restricted licence variety, for some reason) can be such self-righteous twats. My resolve to never behave like that has been well strengthened.

Peace out, y'all!
I think someone has sand in their vagina:mellow:

[The Pastor]

so u ran a red light and someone called you a twat?

[Katman]

Motorcyclists (particularly those of the learner/restricted licence variety, for some reason) can be such self-righteous twats.

I've always found it outrageously amusing to be told on here by GN250 riders "You'll never really understand what motorcycling's all about"

[JimO]

hopefully the next time you run a red you will get squashed by a bus, cyclists want everybody to treat them like any other road user then dont obey the same road rules

[mattian]

yup..... its all about running red lights and thumbing you nose at the man, man!.............. isn't it?

[Mully]

You lawless heathen.


The best comeback lines always occur to one about thirty seconds after the opportunity to use them passes.

This is known as "Staircase wit"; the art of thinking of a perfect comeback once you have left the room and on the way up the stairs.

[FJRider]

This morning, I was, for the first time, subjected to the practical effects of the let's-moralise-at-perfect-strangers philosophy.


Motorcyclists (particularly those of the learner/restricted licence variety, for some reason) can be such self-righteous twats. My resolve to never behave like that has been well strengthened.



Considering the posts you have made on KB... I doubt it would have been the "first time"...

Self-righteous twats are not confined to the learner/restricted riders variety...on KB at least... Just be aware, the bike you SEE them riding, may not be the only bike they have...

[kiwifruit]

Road abuser

[Mom]

You ride a treadly in that manner, and you want sympathy from us?

Poor deluded trekie rider, you of all members by now would be aware of the ripple of disquiet and disgust at the manouvers of some of them 2 wheeled pedal powered dorks that frequent our roads engender on this forum. :eek:

[discotex]

I bet you ride two abreast too. You're a bad BAD man!

(have you not thought what effect you are having on the reputation of cyclists?)

[slofox]

You are a bad bad man Mr Random...:nono:...and since you have openly admitted your offence in a public forum, I am sure all KBers will sign a massive complaint and send it in to "the man" in the sincere hope that you will be severely reprimanded in a court of law and that your treadly be impounded and crushed forthwith....THAT'll learn you young varmints...

[riffer]

Shit Dan, I ain't giving you sympathy.

You run the red you takes your chances.

Please don't end up as a hood ornament mate.

[jrandom]

... you want sympathy from us?

No. Just your attention. Thank you.

:hug:


You run the red you takes your chances.

With what, the tumbleweed?

Not all illegal maneuvers are dangerous, old bean.

[JimO]

No. Just your attention. Thank you.

:hug:



With what, the tumbleweed?

Not all illegal maneuvers are dangerous, old bean.

hahahah tui right???

[riffer]

No. Just your attention. Thank you.

:hug:



With what, the tumbleweed?

Not all illegal maneuvers are dangerous, old bean.

Ah... you don't need to tell me that. I'm hardly old and boring yet :laugh:

[jrandom]

oh for fucksakes, what time do you have dinner?

Just now. I had a dozen Bluff oysters all to myself. With chups. They were in Foveaux Strait yesterday morning. The oysters, not the chups.

A girlfriend that works for an iwi-owned fisheries company is an awesome idea. I have no idea why I didn't think of it sooner.

:love:

[Mikkel]

I bet you ride two abreast too. You're a bad BAD man!

What are you on about, haven't you seen the photos? jrandom's a real man, he's two abreast just by himself.

And that's not a bad thing, I hope - otherwise I might be guilty too. Except I'm not going on a bicycle on the road ever again (unless maybe I loose my license ya know).

[Pedrostt500]

The only thing that iritates me about running over treadly riders in the work truck, is having to stop and unwind their treadly from the drive shaft.
A few years ago I had a Treadlyist abuse me for trying to run him over one cold raining midwinters night down in Island Bay, the twat was dressed head to foot in black and he had no lights, he wasnt worth arguing with, I just shook my head and walked away.

[Hitcher]

The best comeback lines always occur to one about thirty seconds after the opportunity to use them passes.

"Esprit d'escalier" I believe is the phrase you seek.

[Hitcher]

I had a dozen Bluff oysters all to myself. With chups.

Wash them down with Lagavulin 18. It's a Truly Spiritual Experience(TM).

[Big Dave]

Corporate CEO has merit too.

If you don't like the way I ride - stay the hell off the footpath.

[TOTO]

I've always found it outrageously amusing to be told on here by GN250 riders "You'll never really understand what motorcycling's all about"

And what makes GN250 riders lesser riders than you your highness ?

[FJRider]

"Esprit d'escalier" I believe is the phrase you seek.

His vocabulary does not extend past words of more than two syllables, a display of humor was intended... not one of knowledge...

[xwhatsit]

Sometimes I look at them doing that and I get shitty -- because I wish I could do the same thing myself. But then I think of all the other illegal and grey-area things I get up to on my usual commute and realise I shouldn't feel too jealous.

Funny, I got the evils from a ZZR250 rider for riding on the footpath once. I know the rider though ;)

[peasea]

This morning, I was, for the first time, subjected to the practical effects of the let's-moralise-at-perfect-strangers philosophy.

Perhaps because I'm much less forbidding-looking in bright lycra on a Trek than I am behind a dark visor on a GSX1400?

It was both deeply ridiculous and mildly irritating.

To the splutteringly indignant ZZR250 rider who felt it necessary to attempt to converse with me on the subject of red lights and how one shouldn't conserve momentum through them, I hereby dedicate the rest of my day's illegal maneuvers.

Given his somewhat apoplectic reaction to a cyclist blowing through an empty stoplight-controlled pedestrian crossing (no, it wasn't an actual road intersection), I suspect that some of my later downtown antics would have left him in need of actual medical attention.

:doobey:

Motorcyclists (particularly those of the learner/restricted licence variety, for some reason) can be such self-righteous twats. My resolve to never behave like that has been well strengthened.

Peace out, y'all!

Amen dude.

I ride a Harley Wideglide and out of town it's a gem, but all the bullshit attitudes arrive at the lights. I am of the opinion that as you get older (and want to slow down, stay alive etc) that because you have nothing to prove there are those who pressure you to do so.

ZZR250 riders are (to me) the future. GN250 riders too.

I was NEVER that. I NEVER had an attitude. I was NEVER full of shit, ten foot tall and bullet-proof.

Was what you saw in that fella the young'n you once were .... who was so self-righteous, indestructable and almighty?

Glass houses, my friend.

[marioc]

Why is it that cyclists think they can just shoot through red lights?

[EatOrBeEaten]

It's weird, I was in town yesterday and this wanker in lycra on some pushbike ran a red light! Fuckin' twat, breaking the rules and spoiling it for everyone.

Anyway, I decide to give the cheeky sod a piece of my mind. Just to let him know of course that it's not acceptable to do things like that.

I hope he learned his lesson, he gives all us two-wheeled types a bad name and I don't think it's right!

:nono:

[ManDownUnder]

You blew straight on through a red and want us to defend you?

... interesting turn of events.

[jim.cox]

Why is it that cyclists think they can just shoot through red lights?

'cos we're just high-speed pedestrians, and do what pedestrians do....

[vifferman]

You blew straight on through a red and want us to defend you?.
I can understand it:


To the splutteringly indignant ZZR250 rider who felt it necessary to attempt to converse with me on the subject of red lights and how one shouldn't conserve momentum through them, ....

... a cyclist blowing through an empty stoplight-controlled pedestrian crossing (no, it wasn't an actual road intersection)
Right - so there was a stoplight-controlled pedestrian crossing, with NO pedestrians in the vicinity, and Mr jrandom decided it was foolishness to stop, then have to start from a stop and cycle up to cruising speed again.

I think that's perfectly acceptable. Good for him. :niceone:

Yah! Boo! Sux! to the self-righteous ZZR250 rider. :Pokey:

While it bugs me cyclists blowing through traffic lights at intersections, or riding a couple of metres out in the road, or 2 / 3 abreast and complaining about cars not giving them room, this is a different kettle of ghoti, and has nothing to do with safety.

Sometimes, The Law is an ass.

I've not stopped in the car or on the bike in exactly the same situation. What's the point? I'm not some mindless drone that goes, "Oh... red light... must stop!" FFS - the traffic light was mindless: NO pedestrians, NO danger, NO point in stopping.

I've also stopped at intersections with a red turning arrow and no cars coming, and just gone anyway. I think carefully about my driving.

Note that I never normally blow through red lights (or amber, if I can help it), always stop at pedestrian crossings if I should, and always slow down to 30km/h past school buses on EITHER side of the road.

And of course, being a hypocrite, I also sometimes speed, currently have an illegal zorst on my bike, and sometimes do dumb or dangerous things.

[discotex]

'cos we're just high-speed pedestrians, and do what pedestrians do....

I'm not sure the law agrees ;)

The only time it annoys me is when it's flying through a crowded pedestrian crossing or doing 30km/h on the footpath in the city. Have seen far to many people get clipped for no good reason. I've taken to projecting that I'm ready to clothesline the pricks if they don't give way. Seems to work wonders :)

Done courteously (most bikes seem to get this) is fine. Kinda like the shenanigans I get up to on my daily commute.

[ManDownUnder]

I can understand it:

Right - so there was a stoplight-controlled pedestrian crossing, with NO pedestrians in the vicinity, and Mr jrandom decided it was foolishness to stop, then have to start from a stop and cycle up to cruising speed again.

I think that's perfectly acceptable. Good for him. :niceone:

Ok - now I've taken the time to understand it... I'm inclined to agree. But for the sake of argument, can't I pretend to be unreasonable?



And of course, being a hypocrite, I also sometimes speed, currently have an illegal zorst on my bike, and sometimes do dumb or dangerous things.

Hypocrites unite! (Especially the cute ones... and bring a camera...)

[Mikkel]

I must say that I kinda prefer the cyclists to get out of the way at intersections - so if they jump the gun that's perfectly fine by me. Also, I doubt that a cyclist is likely to trigger the sensors at the lights and as such them running the red after having done a double-check is perfectly fine too. Hell, as long as people check and make sure that they aren't going to cause any danger or inconvenience by running the red lights there really isn't an issue as far as I am concerned.

What pisses me off is when they are riding two abreast - one inside the cycling lane and one outside it... on a very busy road... or in the twisties.

[Skyryder]

The best comeback lines always occur to one about thirty seconds after the opportunity to use them passes.

Yep agreed. I just think its god's way of preventing ya face from getting smacked in.:jerry:


Skyryder

[Finn]

Yep agreed. I just think its god's way of preventing ya face from getting smacked in.:jerry:


Skyryder

And he'd know.

[coffeejunkie]

What the hell were you doing on a pushbike?

Didn't anyone tell you....Exercise can kill you so why take the fisk

[McJim]

And what makes GN250 riders lesser riders than you your highness ?

Prolly the fact that they actually ENJOY riding bikes and say so rather than sitting in a funk saying all bikes are bad :rofl:

Well done jrandom - keep up the good work and maybe one day you too will own an entire Campagnolo groupset :Pokey:

[Waylander]

I bet the cyclist that ran a red light in front of me thought the intersection was empty too. He realized his mistake while prying the rear wheel of his really flash (read expensive) mountain bike out of my old trucks bumper. He's lucky I saw him when I did else it would have been his head mangled up in the bull bars.

Think about that next time Random and realize that people like me are tired of breaking for idiots that do not give way, or cross the centre line, or cut in right in front of us and no longer bother to even attempt to touch that pedal.

[Lucy]

Just now. I had a dozen Bluff oysters all to myself. With chups. They were in Foveaux Strait yesterday morning. The oysters, not the chups.

A girlfriend that works for an iwi-owned fisheries company is an awesome idea. I have no idea why I didn't think of it sooner.

:love:

Ok that's it. If I ever meet you in real life I am definitely going to give you the bash.

What the hell is a traffic light anyway? Or a cyclist for that matter? I see bikes around here without motors, only they are always tied up on the back of cars.

[samgab]

"Esprit d'escalier" I believe is the phrase you seek.

I thought that meant being drunk on a moving set of stairs?

[samgab]

Hypocrites unite! (Especially the cute ones... and bring a camera...)

I agree! Oh, and also: Dyslexics of the World untie!

[jrandom]

What the hell were you doing on a pushbike?

Riding to work. At the moment, Her Majesty's Gubmint says I'm only allowed to ride my motor bicycle on racetracks, so pedals it is.


Well done jrandom - keep up the good work and maybe one day you too will own an entire Campagnolo groupset :Pokey:

Only if it happens to be hanging off a second-hand frame that I'm about to strip and fit out with SRAM.

:Pokey:

[Squid69]

I bet you ride two abreast too. You're a bad BAD man!

(have you not thought what effect you are having on the reputation of cyclists?)

I like it better when they line up 3 abreast in front of my bulbars...
I get more points that way!

[vtec]

The way I look at it is this. Riding a pushbike your take your life in your hands, but you also put it in the hands of all other road users and pedestrians to some extent. And as far as following the rules goes, NOBODY sees or reacts to bicycles like they are road users. NOBODY gives way to bicycles, hell even going along a road with no intersections you are just as likely to get nailed by a car coming out of a driveway or a pedestrian stepping out. The trick is that you learn to expect it. Now forgive me for being a lawbreaker, but the way I see it is, that because nobody follows the rules in regards to bicycles, you thereby become exempt from those rules, as they do sweet jack fuck all to protect you. The only protection you get comes from having good reactions, good pre-emption of people trying to kill you, and good bicycle skills, and good prediction of traffic light phases. I will keep using the wrong side of the road, and I've run 1000 red lights, and I will run 1000 more. I've never had a ticket on a bicycle. Why? Because I'm invisible, and as long as I'm invisible I will keep breaking every rule necessary to conserve energy, go faster, and keep me safe.

Living in Melbourne last year... that city is loaded with people who love to tell other people what they are doing "wrong", they toot each other in their cars constantly, had old ladies tell me I was a lawbreaker for cycling along the footpath at walking pace. Had people toot me for holding onto cars for a tow (this is one of those times when you become visible to other road users and even pedestrians heaven forbid) I've also had a few try to knock me off my bike for holding on to vehicles, haha, keep trying.

I would think JRandom is going to lose A LOT of that "two abreast" weight in very short order with the k's he's doing at the moment.

P.S. This is the perspective of someone who has spent far too much time on and destroyed far too many bicycles through wear and tear. 2 years worth of bicycle couriering will do that. Not to mention the wrinkles it's put on my face.

[EatOrBeEaten]

Feckin' cycle couriers...
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMsLLMP5knU)

[Morcs]

This morning, I was, for the first time, subjected to the practical effects of the let's-moralise-at-perfect-strangers philosophy.

Perhaps because I'm much less forbidding-looking in bright lycra on a Trek than I am behind a dark visor on a GSX1400?

It was both deeply ridiculous and mildly irritating.

To the splutteringly indignant ZZR250 rider who felt it necessary to attempt to converse with me on the subject of red lights and how one shouldn't conserve momentum through them, I hereby dedicate the rest of my day's illegal maneuvers.

Given his somewhat apoplectic reaction to a cyclist blowing through an empty stoplight-controlled pedestrian crossing (no, it wasn't an actual road intersection), I suspect that some of my later downtown antics would have left him in need of actual medical attention.

:doobey:

Motorcyclists (particularly those of the learner/restricted licence variety, for some reason) can be such self-righteous twats. My resolve to never behave like that has been well strengthened.

Peace out, y'all!

Well I get pissed off too at the cyclist running red lights. They set of about 4 seconds before the green. They should have number plates and pay rego.
Im not funding there special rails n shit when they beat me off the lights :crybaby:

[jrandom]

They set of about 4 seconds before the green.

After a while, when you ride the same routes around a city, you memorise traffic light phases (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnsX8UwlIEA). Good eh!


They should have number plates and pay rego.

Will you also put number plates and rego stickers on running shoes and skateboards?

Me, I'd like to see pedestrians forced to undergo licence testing before they're allowed out of their front doors.

[Murray]

After a while, when you ride the same routes around a city, you memorise traffic light phases. Good eh!


Do you memorise red light runners as well????

[jrandom]

Do you memorise red light runners as well????

These days, most of them wave to me on the way through.

[Skyryder]

I hope you told him that you would ridicule him on an internet biker forum - that would really have made him regret moralising like that :yes:

But ya gota em to 'em to register first. Then kick some arse.


Skyyrder