Stupid people?

[MentalFacility]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfD-W82NmE0

Watch it, make up your own mind.
There are multiple parts of this video. If u can be bothered...

Personally I don’t have much sympathy for the rider. I'm sure he was told by numerous people the risks of riding a bike, ESPECIALLY getting a large capacity sport bike with no previous riding experience.

I bet he wasn’t even wearing full gear.

[GTRMAN]

From his comment about leaning into corners it would seem that he had maybe ridden cruisers before.... still a hard lesson to learn, I do feel for the guy but a GSXR is hardly a learners bike. Small mistake, big consequence.

[Katman]

Perhaps someone here could explain the principles of counter steering to him.

:whistle:

[DarkLord]

I assume it was a 600, not a 750 or a thou?

Either way, stupid to start riding on a bike that size. :doh:

[R6_kid]

That's the price of 'freedom'... atleast in NZ we have a graduated system. Not that having the graduated system will stop poeple from ending up in this situation, but a <250cc bike is a lot more forgiving than a GSXR600K7 on brand new tyres is.

[DarkLord]

Do they not have a graduated system in the US?? :eek5:

Oh dear....

[cowboyz]

"The back started jumping and I did everything I could, change down gears and jumped on the brakes"

Hmmmmmmmmmmm......

Looks to me like a headon into a stationary object at 120k. That has got to hurt.

[dipshit]

Do they not have a graduated system in the US?? :eek5:

America... the land of the free and up themselves.

[MentalFacility]

America... the land of the free and up themselves.

I feel sad for his kids. Now they dont have a dad, and nobody to take them for a ride, or at least cook them a breakfast to school. He wasnt really thinking much about them when he got on the bike that evening.

We are all stupid when we are young. Did he deserve all this? FUCK NO, a think a bit of road rash would teach him the business, but he was very unlucky.

[Katman]

but he was very unlucky.

I'd be more inclined to call it 'dumb as fuck'.

[Pussy]

I'd be more inclined to call it 'dumb as fuck'.

Yep, he was a prize tit

[ducatilover]

I'd be more inclined to call it 'dumb as fuck'.

im going to agree there.
i got away with being a twat once, its a shame he wasn't as lucky:baby:

[dipshit]

At least he didn't have his fiancee on the back.

[Trudes]

At least he didn't have his fiancee on the back.

Exactly what I was thinking, lucky he did this before he got a pillion on the back and fucked up her life as well!

[YLWDUC]

Well, this guy had a friend who egged him on to get the bike in the first place. An experienced rider who hasn't exactly been a good role model. And a motorcycle dealer that delivers in the middle of the night? Not exactly ethical, but then NZ dealers aren't much better some of the time.

[HungusMaximist]

Regardless of how many of these videos we post up about dumb people, it's still going to continue. You can call it the impluse factor or lack of experience or self control.

But the one thing for sure I am certain of is that I am to respect my fucken bike or it's gonna own my ass!

*Edit, fucken massive respect to the wife for sticking by and looking after him. And dealing with his emotional turmoil. Fuck!

[MentalFacility]

Regardless of how many of these videos we post up about dumb people, it's still going to continue. You can call it the impluse factor or lack of experience or self control.

But the one thing for sure I am certain of is that I am to respect my fucken bike or it's gonna own my ass!

*Edit, fucken massive respect to the wife for sticking by and looking after him. And dealing with his emotional turmoil. Fuck!


That wasnt his wife. that was a nerse.

[Winston001]

Looks like his mate wasn't much of a mate. That's just sad. I don't think he is dumb or stupid. Just young and bullet-proof. And how many of us have had accidents we've walked away from.....and known others who haven't. Ever. I remember a friend, on Longbeach (Dunedin), RD350, finished racing, idling at 5mph caught a sand bump, dead.

[Renegade]

Do they not have a graduated system in the US?? :eek5:

Oh dear....

they dont have em in brisbane either, do a Q-day and your off.

[Hailwood]

It has always amazed me to read some US forums....would and R1 be a good first bike? How about a Hayabusa? Even see some about am thinking about getting a HD as a first bike...yes I know the power is not there in comparison to the bikes above but still a bike almost 300kgs.....

Having said that is it really necessary to sit here and be so damned self righteous as some of the posters here have been? This guy made some bad choices and has some major repercussions...how many of us have had major f*@k ups and walked away? How many people know people who have had a one off mistake and not?

It must be fantastic to be the best riders in the world who never make a mistake!!!!

Rant over

[zeocen]

Having said that is it really necessary to sit here and be so damned self righteous as some of the posters here have been? This guy made some bad choices and has some major repercussions...how many of us have had major f*@k ups and walked away? How many people know people who have had a one off mistake and not?

It must be fantastic to be the best riders in the world who never make a mistake!!!!

Rant over

I think it is quite neccessary. I'm sure people have had some pretty horrible "fuck ups" and gotten off better, even over here in NZ. But I'd be inclined to sway towards gear providing a good deal of safety there, which this guy clearly wasn't wearing. Able to see the bone outside his skin (there's no way you would have gotten a jacket off like that), blood gushing from his head, etc..
The whole bike landing on him is a stroke of bad luck but if he had learnt how to ride before hand (lean the bike in? come on, reading 2 mins worth of countersteering would have helped him immensly) he wouldn't be in that situation or sure as shit wouldn't be in such a BAD situation.

Just another case of ego winning the day.

[T.I.E]

some will know i moved to the states, from northland.
Only to find America have no graduated system in place.
Anyone could put there son, daughter, wife partner, husaband... Whom had just completed a basic skills type handling course, or were lucky enough to pass the simple riding course through the "DMV" (department of motor vehicles)
They would be able to ride a zx10, R1, gsxr1000, busa. legally...
yes legally...
I have no idea and have questioned a few people and i am about to write a note to the Governer Of California, what New Zealand has in place to create Safety and Training and or experience. (with a pinch of salt of course) As Aronld is an avid rider himself im hoping he will see what can be done.
So many people have had huge accidents in the first few miles on there brand new bikes, many have died.
And my bitch about it all is the insurance.... its so bloody expensive to own a crotch rocket, and im not kidding its huge compared to back home.

Its madness here.

[oldrider]

He made a mistake, fair enough but the innocent motorcycle gets the blame!

"people" make mistakes! :mellow: Machines malfunction! :shifty: The bike did not malfunction! :no: John.

[popa griffin]

its madness here.


madness?

This is spartaaaaa!!!!!!!!

[idb]

It has always amazed me to read some US forums....would and R1 be a good first bike? How about a Hayabusa? Even see some about am thinking about getting a HD as a first bike...yes I know the power is not there in comparison to the bikes above but still a bike almost 300kgs.....

Having said that is it really necessary to sit here and be so damned self righteous as some of the posters here have been? This guy made some bad choices and has some major repercussions...how many of us have had major f*@k ups and walked away? How many people know people who have had a one off mistake and not?

It must be fantastic to be the best riders in the world who never make a mistake!!!!

Rant over

I'm with you on this.
The guy wasn't being a wanker, he just needed some good advice.
Hardly deserves a lifetime in a wheelchair.

[zeocen]

I'm with you on this.
The guy wasn't being a wanker, he just needed some good advice.
Hardly deserves a lifetime in a wheelchair.

Yeah because hopping on a machine that can kill you in an instant doesn't warrant some personal responsibility and taking it upon yourself to get advice and training.
It happened because he, himself didn't think things through, at all by the looks of it.

[popa griffin]

Yeah because hopping on a machine that can kill you in an instant doesn't warrant some personal responsibility and taking it upon yourself to get advice and training.


He has been brought up the American way. For him its the norm to get a big bike first off.

If anything its the American sociaty that fucked him over not himself. He was just doing what hes seen everyone else do around him while he was growing up.

[Katman]

He has been brought up the American way. For him its the norm to get a big bike first off.

If anything its the American sociaty that fucked him over not himself. He was just doing what hes seen everyone else do around him while he was growing up.

That's right - it's always someone else's fault.

You'll fit in well here.

[zeocen]

He has been brought up the American way. For him its the norm to get a big bike first off.

If anything its the American sociaty that fucked him over not himself. He was just doing what hes seen everyone else do around him while he was growing up.

Don't blame a country for someone's inability to use common sense and personal responsibility please. I know a fair few US motorcyclists who took it upon themselves to start low, work their way up and gain knowledge. USA is a big place, of course there's going to be a lot of stupid people in the limelight, you hear about it more often because there's so many people over there, that's a given. I'd put money on having just the same ratio of stupid:commonsense in NZ.

[popa griffin]

Don't blame a country for someone's inability to use common sense and personal responsibility please. I know a fair few US motorcyclists who took it upon themselves to start low, work their way up and gain knowledge. USA is a big place, of course there's going to be a lot of stupid people in the limelight, you hear about it more often because there's so many people over there, that's a given. I'd put money on having just the same ratio of stupid:commonsense in NZ.


You all are not getting what im getting at here.

In New Zealand its the norm to go threw 3 stages of license to get a bike above 250cc.

In America it is not, its normal for people to buy big CC bikes and ride them first off.

Stupid he is, but to say he deserves a life in a wheelchair for something thats normal to Americans I think isnt fair.

Gawd dont rip my balls off.

[Katman]

Lets consider the facts.

Inexperienced rider + GSXR "Crotch Rocket" :slap: + speeding up to catch up to a friend + "slamming on the brakes" and yet still managing to hit an object at 70 mph = someone that never bothered to consider the consequences of their actions until after the event.

Nobody put him in that wheelchair except himself.

Maybe a few on here should sit back and consider whether their antics on a motorcycle are worth a lifetime in a wheelchair, having someone else wipe your arse, loosing everything you hold dear to you and contemplating suicide.

[HungusMaximist]

That wasnt his wife. that was a nerse.

Go watch it again bro, that lady with the glasses is fully the wife bro. She works also as a nurse, and didn't you hear how the man spills his heart out to his wife about commiting suicide and shit like that. "If it wasn't for my wife, I'd probably be dead right now"

The wife goes on to mention that it's been real hard looking after his him and dealing with his mental health, however they have got closer due to this and that shes gonna just tough it out because she can bear seeing somebody suffer and not help.

[Katman]

Go watch it again bro, that lady with the glasses is fully the wife bro. She works also as a nurse, and didn't you hear how the man spills his heart out to his wife about commiting suicide and shit like that. "If it wasn't for my wife, I'd probably be dead right now"

The wife goes on to mention that it's been real hard looking after his him and dealing with his mental health, however they have got closer due to this and that shes gonna just tough it out because she can bear seeing somebody suffer and not help.

Not that it makes a lot of difference but he says that "the only people that visit any more are Kelsey and her husband". Kelsey is the nurse.

[idb]

Just a general question?
What are the appropriate punishments for various levels of stupidity?

At what level does spending the rest of your life in a wheelchair become the appropriate sentence?

Can someone give me what they deem to be the appropriate gradation scale?
Starting, I guess, from a wet bus ticket up to dismemberment and death?

And, if in his case, paraplegia is the appropriate outcome, shouldn't we be hoping that that is the result of all the "Binned It" threads on this forum?
"Well, I binned it last night, had to put it down as I went around a gentle corner, just sheer stupidity on my part I'm afraid..."

"I hope you end up in a wheelchair you f*&$ing idiot!!!"

[dipshit]

Just a general question?
What are the appropriate punishments for various levels of stupidity?


Nobody deserves anything like that and it is a tragedy and sad to see.

However all the feeling sorry for yourself and pissing and moaning afterwards won't change a thing. What's done is done.

The trick is to think about consequences and grow a brain before you do stupid shit.

Being remorseful afterwards isn't going to turn back the clock and give you another chance.

[MentalFacility]

Nobody deserves anything like that and it is a tragedy and sad to see.

However all the feeling sorry for yourself and pissing and moaning afterwards of won't change a thing. What's done is done.

The trick is to think about consequences and grow a brain before you do stupid shit.

Being remorseful afterwards isn't going to turn back the clock and give you another chance.

I think we can just use him as a good example when dealing with hard cases. Watching that video will make alot of noobies think twise before skipping a 250.

[ducatilover]

I think we can just use him as a good example when dealing with hard cases. Watching that video will make alot of noobies think twise before skipping a 250.

I should hope so...

[Mikkel]

Sad, yes. But not just for him... Would have been a major blow to the rest of the family too one would suppose.

You can say what you want, having a graduated license system or not is no excuse not to engage in a bit of applied intelligence. He was unfortunate to come out so badly from a learning experience, but that is about it - in all other regards he was the (unwitting) architect of his own downfall.

Feeling hard done by and being a crybaby on youtube isn't "getting your life back on track". Hopefully he'll grow out of it...


Perhaps someone here could explain the principles of counter steering to him.

No point, he won't be riding anything that involves counter steering for quite a while, I think.

[Blackshear]

I think we can just use him as a good example when dealing with hard cases. Watching that video will make alot of noobies think twise before skipping a 250.

In about 6 months I am going to have to do this to my mate...
He just bought an FXR150 after having a learners for 4 years, (26 years old) so he can jump up to a full in a quick amount of time.
How dead set he is on getting a GSX-R thousand really scares me.
I offered him a go on my bandit (After making sure he can ride in a straight line still), and didn't even get her past ten grand because it 'was getting too fast'.
HE MUST LEARN, AND LEARN QUICKLY! To the taka'swe shall go :shifty:

[zzzbang]

This whole mentality of the gsxr 1000 being 'the real mans bike' is just rediculous... people dont realise what the hell they are talking about and this is the result, sigh.

[JacksColdSweat]

Do they not have a graduated system in the US?? :eek5:

Oh dear....

No they sure don't

When I was in the States at Christmas I met a great bloke at a Cycle Gear store in Kansas City - very experienced rider by the name of Glenn

He was lamenting the lack of this in the US and said he admired the NZ and English standards of forcing people to learn on small bikes first

He had (reluctantly) sold guys 600cc bikes because their attitudes were "what? 600cc? That's a tiny engine... I'm not buying anything smaller... my car is a 6 litre...."

It was not unusual to have customers insist on buying a 750cc bike as their first bike...