Guy riding in Auckland with no helmet

[portokiwi]

walking in Auckland city at 1230 today and a guy rides past on his green kawasaki. looked like a 250cc. he had a girl on the back who I think was wearing a push bike helmet and wearing shorts.
Where do these prats come from????:lol:

[Mully]

Whereabouts in Auckland? I think I've seen them behind Britomart.

[Grahameeboy]

walking in Auckland city at 1230 today and a guy rides past on his green kawasaki. looked like a 250cc. he had a girl on the back who I think was wearing a push bike helmet and wearing shorts.
Where do these prats come from????:lol:

Must be Westies...:msn-wink:

[portokiwi]

they were riding along customs street east towards queen street
not even a nice day for shorts:spanking:

[AllanB]

I've located these pictures of him

[ManDownUnder]

I've located these pictures of him

oooo the temptation to name names.. bith-ng thung..

[Squiggles]

I've seen it a few times at uni, usually two squeezing onto a single seat scooter. Darwin'll sort them out

[slofox]

I think I've seen them behind Britomart.

Errrmm...and just what were they doing behind Britomart...?

[Skyryder]

Errrmm...and just what were they doing behind Britomart...?

Knobbing:love:


Skyryder

[Murray]

Errrmm...and just what were they doing behind Britomart...?

Waiting for a train I believe. Only 6 hours late I think????

[davereid]

walking in Auckland city at 1230 today and a guy rides past on his green kawasaki. looked like a 250cc. he had a girl on the back who I think was wearing a push bike helmet and wearing shorts.
Where do these prats come from????:lol:

So why is he a prat exactly ?

No doubt you will answer "because he was doing something dangerous, that could have cost me and other taxpayers ACC money for his medical bill if he bins."

Understand this.

A helmet is SO EFFECTIVE at reducing head injuries that it is almost statistically irrelevant.

Time after time I have published tables of motorcycle death rates in NZ and invited bikers to use the data to guess which year we got helmets.

And surprise surprise, I get quoted endless data from overseas "proving" we need helmets.

No one has ever picked the year we got helmets from kiwi fatality data, as in spite of promises of massive reductions in death rates, it had no effect.

But there IS data you can use to make a good guess as to compulsory helmet year. Research "tetraplegia" and you will see the year quite clearly.

For every biker wishing safety rules on other bikers, there is a non biker even keener to make you safe.

His technique is statistically relevant. He can provide a solution to massively drop the road toll. He wants you in a Volvo.

Thats because riding a motorcycle helmetless is done for fun, enjoyment and because it feels good. Thats actually exactly the same reason as to why we ride motorcycles.

So, in the USA, they will be debating helmet laws for years to come.

[popelli]

If helmets are so great why don't car drivers have to wear them?

[SpankMe]

I keep seeing a guy around my area riding his motorbike with nothing but a fucking towel on his head. :nono:

[Dave Lobster]

If helmets are so great why don't car drivers have to wear them?

Easy... it would be seen as another tax on the poor people. And that is not acceptable here.
Remember the shitfight that started a few months ago when it was suggested that the poor people insure their cars third party (minimum)??
There was no end of bitching about it on the radio.

You can't oppress the poor.. it's not PC.

[MentalFacility]

I keep seeing a guy around my area riding his motorbike with nothing but a fucking towel on his head. :nono:

Ur avatar is mezmerising.

[EJT]

That of course just proves you are the prat.

Understand this.

A helmet is SO EFFECTIVE at reducing head injuries that it is almost statistically irrelevant.

Time after time I have published tables of motorcycle death rates in NZ and invited bikers to use the data to guess which year we got helmets.

And surprise surprise, I get quoted endless data from overseas "proving" we need helmets.

No one has ever picked the year we got helmets from kiwi fatality data, as in spite of promises of massive reductions in death rates, it had no effect.

But there IS data you can use to make a good guess as to compulsory helmet year. Research "tetraplegia" and you will see the year quite clearly.

For every biker wishing safety rules on other bikers, there is a non biker even keener to make you safe.

Thats because riding a motorcycle helmetless is done for fun, enjoyment and because it feels good. Thats actually exactly the same reason as to why we ride motorcycles.

So, in the USA, they will be debating helmet laws for years to come.

But due to idiots like you, we will be driving cars.

A little unjustified attack me thinks. If you are relying on accident statistics to support your theory that helmets are a waste of time then I would prefer to rely on the countless overseas studies showing helmets have saved lives. Who knows why NZ was different. Maybe other reasons come into it - for example, people take more risks because they feel safer; or people flaunted the helmet law when it first came in because they didn't agree with it.

All I know is that wearing a helmet keeps bugs off my face and that is good enough for me:yes::yes:

[Squiggles]

Understand this.

A helmet is SO EFFECTIVE at reducing head injuries that it is almost statistically irrelevant.

Time after time I have published tables of motorcycle death rates in NZ and invited bikers to use the data to guess which year we got helmets.

And surprise surprise, I get quoted endless data from overseas "proving" we need helmets.

No one has ever picked the year we got helmets from kiwi fatality data, as in spite of promises of massive reductions in death rates, it had no effect.

Spouting off a bunch of numbers as proof makes only you a prat. Come back with them in context (Number of bikes on the road, breakdown of injuries, etc). The old man came off a couple of times during that period, both times wearing a helmet, he will however feature under injuries (Gravel in knee, grazed up hands). So unless thats xy people who died from a head injury then its fucken useless.

Edit: While i do support a persons right to choose, i believe Helmets do work. People will survive a few grazes from a fall, but they'll be a pumpkin if their head takes a hit like most of the helmets i've seen.

[Mikkel]

OH NO! THE HORROR!

Conform DAMMIT!

[portokiwi]

davereid If you are so stupid to belive what you have put on here.... You should be ashamed of yourself.
That is all I can say to you,

[Ixion]

Well, simple common sense says that if you are going to come off a motorbike, and bang your ehad, then it's better to be wearing a helmet than not (I have seen the 'break your neck' arguments - I was underwhelmed).

If I was going to come off a bike , I'd rather be wearing one than not.

But that's not really the point. If I was going to come off a bike, I'd rather be wearing a full armoured padded Michelin man suit. In fact, if I was going to come off a bike, I'd rather not be on it, be in a nice safe car instead .

The more pertinent question is , does wearing a helmet make such a very large difference to the probability of being injured, or not, on a motorcycle , over the course of a year, that it justifies overriding the fundamental principle that people should be at liberty to go to hell in their own hand basket.

I think not. I'd recommend people always wear one. But if someone doesn't want to , for whatever reason, well, it's his head. And his handbasket.

Statistically, I imagine one could, if one searched hard enough, find the figures to show that universal helmet wearing has a slightly lower injury rate than universal non helmet wearing. But it's not going to be great. Most people don't come off at all in the course of a given year. And those that do, many don't injure themselves at all. And those that do, most don't actually bash their heads. And those that do, many wouldn't survive anyway, a helmet can only do so much . It's not going to be an overwhelming difference. And most riders would wear one, even if they weren't compulsory. The difference isn't enough to justify the interference. Here's y' handbasket. If you must go to hell, off you go.

Just as I may go to hell in my own handbasket, by drinking myself blotto every night, by jumping out of aeroplanes, by skiing (now that *is* dangerous - how come they don't have to wear helmets by law ?) : or any of the other unwise deeds that may injure or kill me. All without the law interfering to protect me from myself.

(For the record , and for the avoidance of silly comments, I don't do any of those foolish and dangerous things. I have a fixed principle never to do anything dangerous if I can avoid it)

[Mikkel]

Incredible how busy people are about how others should lead their lives.

If you think you might need your head in the future, wearing a helmet may not be a bad idea.

If you think you might need your hands in the future, wearing decent gloves may not be a bad idea.

If you think you might need your skin in the future, wearing good leathers may not be a bad idea.

If you think you might need your hearing in the future, wearing earplugs may not be a bad idea.

If you think you might need your feet in the future, wearing decent boots may not be a bad idea.

If you think you might need your ankles in the future, wearing decent boots with ankle braces may not be a bad idea.

et cetera ad nauseum...

It's your choice not mine, his, hers, ours or theirs.

[WolfCollared]

I think bikers should walk around with road rash pictures and hand them out as fliers:devil2:

Only one way people learn, from THEIR mistakes....society is quick to judge and assume....

Fuck everyone else I worry about me and only me its easier.

[want-a-harley]

So why is he a prat exactly ?


Time after time I have published tables of motorcycle death rates in NZ and invited bikers to use the data to guess which year we got helmets.

And surprise surprise, I get quoted endless data from overseas "proving" we need helmets.

No one has ever picked the year we got helmets from kiwi fatality data, as in spite of promises of massive reductions in death rates, it had no effect.

.

Without saying how many motorcyclists were on the road these numbers are meaningless, the data set is incomplete and largely useless. Your points may be valid and true but this attached data does not back it up. Sorry.

Also look at 1951 and 1996 same number of deaths at 42, so you might say, helmets make no difference. However bikes have come along way since then, as well as traffic etc (ie helmet and no helmet are not the only difference)

[Mikkel]

One way to look at it: Wearing a helmet significantly improves the probability of you actually wanting to survive a crash.

[toebug]

If people want to ride wihtout gear then so be it. I would personally rather be covered than not but..

YOU WILL SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR OWN IDIOCY!!!

[AllanB]

Helmets are good - it takes farking ages to sweep brains off the road.

[Motu]

People will survive a few grazes from a fall, but they'll be a pumpkin if their head takes a hit like most of the helmets i've seen.

However,in the realworld,the head seldom hits the ground like a helmet does,self preservation is a force to be reckoned with,and to be thankful for.There are possibly billions of people in the world today who have ridden a motorcyle without a helmet,and not died.There are possibly millions of people in the world today who have fallen off a motorcycle without a helmet and not died.

[zzzbang]

helmet has saved my life, and my fathers life (seperate occasions) aswell. dont come with your nonsense please.

[Reckless]

I keep seeing a guy around my area riding his motorbike with nothing but a fucking towel on his head. :nono:


That'd be a rag head Spank! I'd check under your bike for a bomb next time you go out!! :bye:

[Whynot]

However,in the realworld,the head seldom hits the ground like a helmet does,self preservation is a force to be reckoned with,and to be thankful for.There are possibly billions of people in the world today who have ridden a motorcyle without a helmet,and not died.There are possibly millions of people in the world today who have fallen off a motorcycle without a helmet and not died.

Good point.

There are a lot of places out there not stuck in a Nanny state mentality like NZ.
people ride without gear, helmets or whatever and are perfectly fine.

Its their choice, let them do what they want.

[zzzbang]

yes, let them do what they want, if you dont want to waste money to save your skull then dont. but dont say that a helmet is useless, because that is just completely stupid.

[Forest]

Did anybody else see this story last month?

http://www.3news.co.nz/Video/CampbellLive/tabid/367/articleID/91551/cat/84/Default.aspx

[jonbuoy]

So why is he a prat exactly ?

No doubt you will answer "because he was doing something dangerous, that could have cost me and other taxpayers ACC money for his medical bill if he bins."

That of course just proves you are the prat.

Understand this.

A helmet is SO EFFECTIVE at reducing head injuries that it is almost statistically irrelevant.

Time after time I have published tables of motorcycle death rates in NZ and invited bikers to use the data to guess which year we got helmets.

And surprise surprise, I get quoted endless data from overseas "proving" we need helmets.

No one has ever picked the year we got helmets from kiwi fatality data, as in spite of promises of massive reductions in death rates, it had no effect.

But there IS data you can use to make a good guess as to compulsory helmet year. Research "tetraplegia" and you will see the year quite clearly.

For every biker wishing safety rules on other bikers, there is a non biker even keener to make you safe.

His technique is statistically relevant. He can provide a solution to massively drop the road toll. He wants you in a Volvo.

Thats because riding a motorcycle helmetless is done for fun, enjoyment and because it feels good. Thats actually exactly the same reason as to why we ride motorcycles.

So, in the USA, they will be debating helmet laws for years to come.

But due to idiots like you, we will be driving cars.

OK real world statistic I came off - my shoei had a huge graze on the visor and top - if I hadn't been wearing it that would have been my face. I wouldn't be dead but probably blind and brain damaged.

[davereid]

OK firstly, I shouldn't have called PortoKiwi an idiot, I get a bit wound up about these things, and it wasn't a fair call, so I apologise.

It also sounded a bit "anti helmet" or "anti safety" this wasnot my message.

Not for a moment do I think that helmets are of no value, I absolutely think they are, particularly in low speed crashes and as an abrasion preventative.

But Kiwis seem to be a pious lot, keen to preach their particular brand of safety at others while ignoring the real picture.

With regards to motorcycling, the problem is simple.

Motorcycles are much less stable, offer no crash protection, are hard to see and have high performance.

They are much less safe than a car.

Depending on whos data you read:

Motorcyclists are 16-26 times more likely to die on the roads than car drivers.
Helmets may double or even triple you chances of accident survival.

So its very clear. The banning of motorcycles will have a massive effect on the road toll. Helmet laws much much less.

We have to argue the "free choice" principle, as if we accept thats its OK for others to ban behaviour we enjoy, it will inevitably end our motorcycling.

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Note : Survival of an accident is not necessarily a good indicator that a helmet was effective, or desirable. Helmets are very good at protecting you from abrasion and open type head injuries, but much less effective at closed jead injury protection.

[Indiana_Jones]

walking in Auckland city at 1230 today and a guy rides past on his green kawasaki. looked like a 250cc. he had a girl on the back who I think was wearing a push bike helmet and wearing shorts.
Where do these prats come from????:lol:

Knew I forgot something!

EDIT: Something, not sometime lol

-Indy

[DangerMice]

Time after time I have published tables of motorcycle death rates in NZ and invited bikers to use the data to guess which year we got helmets.


I have no idea when helmets were introduced, but I'm just curious, what happened in 1973 (before my time) for the total deaths to suddenly increase so much and stay higher?

[Forest]

I have no idea when helmets were introduced, but I'm just curious, what happened in 1973 (before my time) for the total deaths to suddenly increase so much and stay higher?

That's basically the problem with looking at a single statistic over time. It doesn't take into account any of the compounding variables. For example:

Total number of riders
Number of miles ridden
Increases in motorbike power
Experience of riders
Quality of roads

etc etc

[HungusMaximist]

I saw that happen to, they parked up at Britomart and they both jumped off.

What the fuck ? ? ?

[fLaThEaD FreD]

I keep seeing a guy around my area riding his motorbike with nothing but a fucking towel on his head. :nono:

I bet you live in Mt Roskill then!

[sunhuntin]

Knew I forgot sometime!

-Indy

i had a guy come into bp when i was there. was riding a motorbike, no helmet. he comes over with a funny look on his face "i just remembered i forgot my helmet!" i loaned him mine to go home and get his. it can happen... ive done it myself, though i realised before i took off as the exhaust sounded louder than normal.

[Indiana_Jones]

i had a guy come into bp when i was there. was riding a motorbike, no helmet. he comes over with a funny look on his face "i just remembered i forgot my helmet!" i loaned him mine to go home and get his. it can happen... ive done it myself, though i realised before i took off as the exhaust sounded louder than normal.

lol I always realise what I've forgotten once I walk out the door or see the bike....'wait a minute, something should be in my hand lol'

-Indy

[davebullet]

There is a very simple answer.

We can't change the ignorant, Darwin's law and all that... so let's not try.

No helmet and you crash = no ACC payments to your recovery (or funeral). you have to sell your assets, or put the onus on your family.

Those that don't care about their personal protection will never change... so why should we cover them?

Cheers,
Dave.

[want-a-harley]

Simple test, put a helmet on, hold a brick above your head and drop the brick. Now repeat without helmet.

[Clubbie]

With all that said re the for and against of helmets.... do you guys think there is much difference between them when it all boils down to it?

I've looked at the SHARP testing site
http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/

Do you think 1 star will do you any worse then 5?

[H00dz]

All I know is that wearing a helmet keeps bugs off my face and that is good enough for me:yes::yes:[/QUOTE]

I've seen your face EJT, I feel more sorry for the bugs LOL:niceone:

[Forest]

I took the Duc out for a quick blast this afternoon (just to turn the motor over).

Couldn't be bothered putting on a helmet.

Didn't realise it would be so bloody hard to see at 100mph.

Won't do that again.

[awayatc]

Did anybody else see this story last month?

http://www.3news.co.nz/Video/CampbellLive/tabid/367/articleID/91551/cat/84/Default.aspx


Unbelieveable, police running a guy of the road, pepperspraying him, ramming him and wrecking hish pushbike....because he was not wearing a helmet...

Police will keep us "safe", even if they have to kill us for it...

And to all of Helen's kids out there:
Playing Nana is wrong!
People have to make decisions for themselves....
It is NOT the gobberments job to think for us!

[peasea]

Where do these prats come from????:lol:

Auckland. You said.

[peasea]

Unbelieveable, police running a guy of the road, pepperspraying him, ramming him and wrecking hish pushbike....because he was not wearing a helmet...

Police will keep us "safe", even if they have to kill us for it...

And to all of Helen's kids out there:
Playing Nana is wrong!
People have to make decisions for themselves....
It is NOT the gobberments job to think for us!

I can't say I'm surprised; bully boys at it again and for something so trivial. No wonder people have no respect for them. However, I'm sure the PCA and all the pen pushers will find no fault on the part of the copper.

Ok, the guy shoulda had a lid, big fuckin' deal, what a gangster. You have to wonder how that copper would react in a truly serious situation, fuckin' scary just thinking about it actually. He'd probably tazer you for an overdue library book and break out the Glock for a bum tail light.

Fuckwit.

[scumdog]

I can't say I'm surprised; bully boys at it again and for something so trivial. No wonder people have no respect for them. However, I'm sure the PCA and all the pen pushers will find no fault on the part of the copper.

Ok, the guy shoulda had a lid, big fuckin' deal, what a gangster. You have to wonder how that copper would react in a truly serious situation, fuckin' scary just thinking about it actually. He'd probably tazer you for an overdue library book and break out the Glock for a bum tail light.

Fuckwit.

You say that like cops AREN'T allowed to do such things!!:eek:

[10bikekid]

I've located these pictures of him
Carver said no thats Sarge, How rude of Him

[peasea]

You say that like cops AREN'T allowed to do such things!!:eek:


Probably not on paper.......reality is something quite different though. Reality is a place where they do what they like, especially when nobody's looking. Even if someone IS looking they'll discredit witness accounts, grab the Persil bucket and fire everything through the great whitewashing machine.

But let's not turn this into a cop-bashing thread.:whistle:

[scumdog]

..............

[scumdog]

Probably not on paper.......reality is something quite different though. Reality is a place where they do what they like, especially when nobody's looking. Even if someone IS looking they'll discredit witness accounts, grab the Persil bucket and fire everything through the great whitewashing machine.

But let's not turn this into a cop-bashing thread.:whistle:

Quite right.:shutup:

[Solly]

Helmets are good - it takes farking ages to sweep brains off the road.

Wouldn't be much to sweep up from a non helmet wearer anyway!

[Solly]

There are possibly billions of people in the world today who have ridden a motorcyle without a helmet,and not died.There are possibly millions of people in the world today who have fallen off a motorcycle without a helmet and not died.

What a croc of sh1t - Stats boy wannabe!!

Have you ever stopped to read what you write?

[bucketracer]

I'm just curious, what happened in 1973 (before my time) for the total deaths to suddenly increase so much and stay higher?

Kawasaki Mach 111 500 and H2 750 widow makers...........

Reputedly the first jap bikes that could touch the Ton between lights in Queen St., whether or not the rider was wearing a helmet.