Brand new Gixxer crash vid - Guarantee hilarious [Archive]

RocKai

7th March 2009, 02:15

James Deuce

7th March 2009, 07:33

Let us know when you graduate from that cage to a 160HP Gixxer with release agent on the tyres so we can see if you make it out of the bike shop driveway.

Didn't laugh. I winced, and now my day has been ruined.

Murray

7th March 2009, 08:09

Was that Carver???

crazyv

7th March 2009, 08:16

seen this before but have not figured out how it fell so easily...

What this 'release agent' on tyres?

driftn

7th March 2009, 08:19

Repost......

Forest

7th March 2009, 08:20

seen this before but have not figured out how it fell so easily...

I think it's a combination of the Suzuki leathers and the mirrored visor. It's just too much awesomeness for one bike to handle.

driftn

7th March 2009, 08:21

What this 'release agent' on tyres?

New tyre shine, All new tyres have a wax coating on them so that they do not stick to the mould when being made. Also gives them a better shelf life.

crazyv

7th March 2009, 08:24

New tyre shine, All new tyres have a wax coating on them so that they do not stick to the mould when being made. Also gives them a better shelf life.

so are they supposed to ride slow for a while until they heat up or something? Or maybe wipe the wax coat off? Useful to know if I buy a brand new bike sometime :shifty:

James Deuce

7th March 2009, 08:47

Yes. Any dealer or tyre shop worth their salt will remind you to take it easy for a few kilometres when you ride off on new tyres.

vtec

7th March 2009, 09:01

That's truly tragic, and has caught out many many riders. The protective coating on new tires is a tricky thing, the trick to cleaning it off the tyres is to lean out as much as you can while leaning the bike in as much as you can, starting with a little bit and then doing it slightly further each time.

TonyB

7th March 2009, 09:10

so are they supposed to ride slow for a while until they heat up or something? Or maybe wipe the wax coat off? Useful to know if I buy a brand new bike sometime :shifty: You don't need a new bike. All new tyres have it.

DarkLord

7th March 2009, 09:20

Reminds me of the sign at Cycletreads -

All new tyres are coated in wax and need to be scrubbed in, however if you ignore this warning we do stock aftermarket indicators, clutch levers, gear levers and pegs!

:laugh:

Someone should have told him that.... :doh:

Mom

7th March 2009, 09:21

The fastest way to scrub off the new tyre coating is to find your self a dirt road, and go for a bit of a blat.

Edit: I did not find that clip "Guarantee Hillarious" either.

Nagash

7th March 2009, 09:25

I was just put off by the promise of a 'brand new' crash vid...

It's a repost..

MSTRS

7th March 2009, 09:28

Sully60

7th March 2009, 10:13

You don't need a new bike. All new tyres have it.

They do but OEM fitment tyres on new bikes are far more slippery than off the shelf tyres. I've experienced this first and second hand on multiple occassions.

I didn't think it was funny either, it's not like he gave it a handfull. Any reasonably experienced rider would've ridden away like that. Five minutes and some solvent on a rag would save the excess and evaporated no claims bonus!

Skyryder

7th March 2009, 13:54

The thing that everyone is ignoring is that it's a carpark. With smooth asphalt or concrete. And all the likely 'leavings' from other vehicles. The clip didn't indicate squidliness to me...more likely a combination of factors. Poor bastard.

Yep seemed to be taking it easy. Just squeezed at the wrong time. How many here have not done that? It's only luck that you stay up......usually.

Skyryder

Warr

7th March 2009, 14:07

Cosmo

7th March 2009, 14:19

Poor guy, I bet he was fucked off about that. When I looked at the video couldn't fault him at all. I scratched my wing mirror the other day when I almost dropped my bike to the ground and that pissed me off enough.

Muppet

7th March 2009, 14:41

Yep seemed to be taking it easy. Just squeezed at the wrong time. How many here have not done that? It's only luck that you stay up......usually.

Skyryder

You've got that right. Nearly did that myself on an R1 coming out of a service station, had to change my underclothes

AllanB

7th March 2009, 16:13

Ah new tyres. My theory in running in new tyres is obviously take it easy but I get out on the open road and put a few good kms on them to get them heated up. Progressively speed up in corners to scuff them in.

My theory about heat working goes like this - you can fit a new set of tyres and take it easy for days/weeks whatever - somewhere down the track you'll be hammering it around a few corners :cool:- the chicken strips are still virgins, if the heat from a previous good ride has no dispersed the moulding wax then the edges you have never ridden on before would still be slippery. They are not - the only slippery thing when cranked way over is your undies.

tigertim20

7th March 2009, 16:25

hahaha what is it with the "everybody wants to see gixxers get smashed up" this week?

CookMySock

7th March 2009, 18:31

Just squeezed at the wrong time. How many here have not done that? It's only luck that you stay up......usually.Well that is the problem isn't it. You can't get on a bike with four times the power you are used to, and new tyres on it, and "just squeeze at the wrong time" - that's one of a hundred reasons why learners don't ride high-powered bikes.

There is also his mate there with a video camera - that's a particularly dumb thing to do. He should have told him to piss off and leave him to watch what he was fucking doing, instead of laughing and goofing off for the camera - a sure-fire way to screw something up real bad.

Do shops polish new tyres? I bought a near-new (second hand) bike and some goof had plastered some slippery shit all over the tyres so he could get a better photo of it. He looked a bit pissed off when I asked for a bucket of hot soapy water, but I sat on his driveway for 20 minutes and scrubbed it all off. The tyres were positively dripping with the crap. Ugh. There was no way I was going anywhere on that.

Steve

elevenhundred

7th March 2009, 18:37

His low speed riding as he was comng towards the camera seemed controlled and smooth.

A similar thing happened to me but it wasn't cos of new tyres but because I had just finished a burnout that a non biker mate asked me to do after I dropped him off. I went to ride off and it lit up again, crossed it up but gently eased the throttle off and she straightened out.

Next time I saw him he couldn't stop going on about how it was the best thing he'd ever seen, even when I told him it was by accident and that I was shitting myself at the time. :)

DMNTD

7th March 2009, 18:43

I rub my new tyres down with Wax and Tar remover to avoid potential problem like this.

Boob Johnson

7th March 2009, 19:06

seen this before but have not figured out how it fell so easily...

What this 'release agent' on tyres?
It's a "skin" if you will. Tyres need to be "scrubbed in"..............carefully, as you can see :blink:

wbks

7th March 2009, 19:40

For the guy who mentioned solvent, isn't any type of chemical on your tyre a bad idea? Couldn't 30 mins with a piece of coarse sand paper do the trick?

discotex

7th March 2009, 19:55

For the guy who mentioned solvent, isn't any type of chemical on your tyre a bad idea? Couldn't 30 mins with a piece of coarse sand paper do the trick?

Why bother? Scrubbing in tyres isn't rocket science...

1. Be very gentle on gas/brakes for the first 5-10km until the crown of the tyre wears clean. Be especially wary of polished concrete etc.
2. Gradually increase lean angles to rub a little bit of the slippery stuff off each time. I use big snaking lines down the motorway.
3. Gradually take it out to the edge of the tyre.

You should be 80% sorted within 20-30km.

Some people say it's best to go through a few heat cycles on road tyres so don't expect full grip until 100km+.

:done:

DMNTD

7th March 2009, 20:13

For the guy who mentioned solvent, isn't any type of chemical on your tyre a bad idea? Couldn't 30 mins with a piece of coarse sand paper do the trick?

Has never caused me any issues at all but then again I'm not going for longevity with my tyres.

New tyres...track day...wiped them down...new tyres now sticky..

wbks

7th March 2009, 21:13

If it works for you then why not, I guess. I've heard of chemicals giving tires hair line cracks but then again this was probably just some bright spark siliconing the sides of his tire to make it look nice... Discotex - Never rode a brand new road bike so I can't comment much, but if slightly opening the throttle at such a moderate lean angle out of a carpark like that can make a bike highside I would be pretty damn wary, lol

JimO

7th March 2009, 21:44

Do shops polish new tyres? I bought a near-new (second hand) bike and some goof had plastered some slippery shit all over the tyres so he could get a better photo of it. He looked a bit pissed off when I asked for a bucket of hot soapy water, but I sat on his driveway for 20 minutes and scrubbed it all off. The tyres were positively dripping with the crap. Ugh. There was no way I was going anywhere on that.

Steve

a salesman at the local honda/triumph dealership put a newish street triple in the harbour because someone gave the bike a clean and put some shiney shit on the tyres

s8306

8th March 2009, 08:10

Never quite done that, But managed a massive slide getting off the inter-islander last trip to SI.
Wet steel deck, 2up & luggage.
Could have turned V nasty and embarrassing in front of the line of cars also waiting to get off :eek:

Yeah,those ferrys are a bastard when the decks are wet.

Grizzo

8th March 2009, 08:13

Poor fucker!

jer66

8th March 2009, 08:26

Poor fecker would you feel a rite tool going back to the shop for a repair quote. ::no:

Grizzo

8th March 2009, 08:31

Poor fecker would you feel a rite tool going back to the shop for a repair quote. ::no:
:laugh:At least he wouldnt have to push it far!

discotex

8th March 2009, 08:54

Discotex - Never rode a brand new road bike so I can't comment much, but if slightly opening the throttle at such a moderate lean angle out of a carpark like that can make a bike highside I would be pretty damn wary, lol

Hahah yeah tell me about it. I rode my brand new 600rr out of the shop in a storm. Was shitting myself I can tell you.

Remember it is "slightly opening the throttle" on a thou. There's a fair bit of torque being applied to that wheel as it goes brruuuurp.

speights_bud

8th March 2009, 08:58

Unscrubbed tyres, Yep!, but everything else about him screams noob at me :laugh: he shoulda rolled in the dirt & gravel in those leathers before even getting on the bike!

TimeOut

8th March 2009, 09:22

Never quite done that, But managed a massive slide getting off the inter-islander last trip to SI.
Wet steel deck, 2up & luggage.
Could have turned V nasty and embarrassing in front of the line of cars also waiting to get off :eek:

My first time up the Blue Bridge steel ramp was wet too, a tense moment but all was good.

I've heard of people using a wire brush to scrud a tyre in.

nivram

8th March 2009, 21:11

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Forest

8th March 2009, 23:23

Check out this pop tard

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Thanks for the laugh!

Radar

9th March 2009, 11:41

For the guy who mentioned solvent, isn't any type of chemical on your tyre a bad idea? Couldn't 30 mins with a piece of coarse sand paper do the trick?

Sandpaper or wet/dry emery cloth works well, but use fine grit, not coarse. I scrubbed new tyres this way and it only took a few minutes. To get the right kind of fine grit, I simply tested various grades of sandpaper on the plastic tops of containers at Super Cheap - it only took one swipe to see the result and I was surprised how fine a grit was needed. Hold the sandpaper with a cloth or sponge so that it fits around the curve of the tyre and keeps your hand cool from the friction heat.

Yes a metal / dirt road is a good idea but when I tried that the problem was to find metal deep enough so that the tyres were fully scrubbed. Most metal roads do not have deep gravel except at the shoulders where there is the possibility of binning.

Scrubbing new tyres with a brush and soapy water is better than nothing. I would not take the chance of binning without trying to remove the waxy coating.

SPman

9th March 2009, 14:02

Yes. Any dealer or tyre shop worth their salt will remind you to take it easy for a few kilometres when you ride off on new tyres.
..and also watch out for suicidal pedestrians in that first few Ks........

nivram

9th March 2009, 21:05

They keep coming

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dpex

10th March 2009, 21:02

The fastest way to scrub off the new tyre coating is to find your self a dirt road, and go for a bit of a blat.

Edit: I did not find that clip "Guarantee Hillarious" either.

Good idea for the 70% of the tyres, but unless you can do doughnuts, again and again, on a metal road, then how do you scrub off the last 25mm (the chicken strips)? This issue has had me fascinated through three sets of recent scrub-ins. Ya see, the last 25mm is used when das bike is down and dirty at 45 degrees or better. To get there you have to be going fast...on the wax. Scares the fuck out of me. And now I have to do it all over again on me new Metzlers. Grumble, moan, freak!

Gubb

10th March 2009, 21:08

You lean it more and more every time, this way, you won't have the contact patch made up from all the waxy part, it will be partly scrubbed in, and partly waxy, which will soon be removed.

James Deuce

10th March 2009, 21:15

Good idea for the 70% of the tyres, but unless you can do doughnuts, again and again, on a metal road, then how do you scrub off the last 25mm (the chicken strips)? This issue has had me fascinated through three sets of recent scrub-ins. Ya see, the last 25mm is used when das bike is down and dirty at 45 degrees or better. To get there you have to be going fast...on the wax. Scares the fuck out of me. And now I have to do it all over again on me new Metzlers. Grumble, moan, freak!

Modern tyres are not inert blobs of "rubber". They are complex chemical engineering in motion and the first 200 kms of the tyre's life are quite important in "fixing" tyre compounds in a stable state. The first few gentle heat cycles perform the job of blending the final tyre state. Part of this process causes the surface of the tyre to shed the release agent. On a road tyre, "scrubbing" refers to gently running the tyre in to finish the manufacturing process.

On a race tyre "scrubbing" is making sure you've scrubbed the entire surface of the tyre in because it is only going to be a useful to a racer for one heat cycle unlike a road tyre which will be used for thousands of kilometres.

By the time you get to use the outer edge of a road tyre a chemical process has caused the release agent to evaporate.

The whole road tyre scrubbing in process is why manufacturers suggest taking it easy for a couple of hundred kilometres and why some of you blokes who punish your brand new tyres from the get go with solvents or spirited riding may not be getting the mileage from the same tyre on the same bike that more gentle souls do. I find tyres fitted in Winter don't last as long as those fitted in Autumn or Spring, especially if their initial life on the road involves days of rain.

carver

11th March 2009, 20:45

Was that Carver???

maybe while 12'd on the front wheel

vgcspares

12th March 2009, 14:52

I rub my new tyres down with Wax and Tar remover to avoid potential problem like this.

So how come Bike and Tire shops don't do something along these lines to remove the wax before the Maiden Voyage ?

And don't think that's a daft OSH type question - if that many people have fallen off on their first ride then there's a problem with the service delivery of the bike tire vendor and/or bike industry not the riders

DMNTD

12th March 2009, 16:55

So how come Bike and Tire shops don't do something along these lines to remove the wax before the Maiden Voyage ?

And don't think that's a daft OSH type question - if that many people have fallen off on their first ride then there's a problem with the service delivery of the bike tire vendor and/or bike industry not the riders

'cause some people don't agree with the practice.
Everyone knows to take it easy on new tyres....can't be wiping everyone's arse for them eh. Then again if someone did ask for it to be done, then that's different.

EJK

12th March 2009, 17:08

They keep coming

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