Winter Series rules ...and laps

[GIXser]

So im thinkin the winter series is upon us soon.. and i havent checked but maybe some people can shed some light on the matter..


can F2 cross enter again into F1 and is this mainly because of past poor grid sizes..

seing as last year the F1 grid was mainly an F2 grid should this be allowed if there are sufficient entries for superbike, ie 15 for superbikes for instance ?

i am currently undecided on the matter.. but starting to give it some thought because as it currently sits i would be better to get a 600 to cross enter so we get two lots of races in..will this mean F1 will dissapear ? just to have two F2 races, (not really fair to other classes)

whilst im here and on topic, last year the laps were 6 laps or so, hardly a race more like a sprint, who would like to see longer races in F1 and F 2 formula 3, even if it means cutting other classes, ( i myself have wondered in the past if i should go all the way down to manfield for 2 races) now with these economic times upon us, people may swing that way

to the organisers , this is not a dig, but merely a suggestion to make the racing more enjoyable for riders and spectators and worthwhile to riders, (i know there are many two day events in this now, but i for one strongly suggest longer races, ie a minimum of 10 laps..

thoughts anyone? ps this is constructive critisism,:) as i think a good series is run...but....just the above i think everyone in their specific class will want the most out of their racing... but in my view if you get pathetic entries.. for example superbikes. then why not just scratch that class and chuck the f1 in with 600..!!

[Shaun P]

Im for having them split into seperate classes but if the numbers arent there for F1 the F2 bikes should be allowed to cross enter after F1 bikes eg if there are 2 qualifiers going for the last spot one being a 600 with a faster lap time and the other being a 1000, the 1000 should qualify.

[ArcherWC]

And only the 1000's should get points in F1 (same goes for other cross entered classes, ie you only get points for your championship class)

[wharfy]

So im thinkin the winter series is upon us soon.. and i havent checked but maybe some people can shed some light on the matter..


can F2 cross enter again into F1 and is this mainly because of past poor grid sizes..

seing as last year the F1 grid was mainly an F2 grid should this be allowed if there are sufficient entries for superbike, ie 15 for superbikes for instance ?

i am currently undecided on the matter.. but starting to give it some thought because as it currently sits i would be better to get a 600 to cross enter so we get two lots of races in..will this mean F1 will dissapear ?

whilst im here and on topic, last year the laps were 6 laps or so, hardly a race more like a sprint, who would like to see longer races in F1 and F 2 formula 3, even if it means cutting other classes, ( i myself have wondered in the past if i should go all the way down to manfield for 2 races) now with these economic times upon us, people may swing that way

to the organisers , this is not a dig, but merely a suggestion to make the racing more enjoyable for riders and spectators and worthwhile to riders, (i know there are many two day events in this now, but i for one strongly suggest longer races, ie a minimum of 10 laps..

thoughts anyone? ps this is constructive critisism,:) as i think a good series is run...but....just the above

I have to say I enjoyed the 10 lap races when we had then, so if they can be squeezed in that is cool. I can't think of what class could be dropped as all the classes are well subscrbed ( I think 600/F2 was sometimes oversubscribed and the non- qualifiers raced with us in clubmans ) I would not like to see clubmans (or any other class for that matter) have their track time reduced so F1 could get more laps - They paid the same entry fee and transponder hire. For some the streetstock or clubmans class is a stepping stone to bigger and better (well FASTER) things but for some it is the only class they can or want to compete in.
The Sound of Thunder meeting at Ruapuna has what they call "Bracket Races" where riders are grouped according to lap times from "class" races, regardless of what they are riding. (three groups A B & C VMCC may need 4 "brackets" to get grid sizes down to suit Manfield) This makes for very exciting racing and it pretty much comes down to rider skill. It is safe as all the fastest riders are in A bracket slowest in C. As an example looking at lap times at the closing rounds last year I would have been dicing with Clivoris even though my bike was twice the capacity and 20 years younger. (he probably would win cause his bike is yellow which is a fast colour :) )
I thought it worked well. - Just an Idea.

Umm... I guess that superbikes/F1 could do 10 laps in the time clubmans did 8 so maybe it could be done on "track time" instead of laps so you get 15 mins and the white flag comes out ? Starting to sound like a track day a bit ?

I have done a few different meetings now (I am still a newbie in the scheme of things though) and the VMCC ones seemed to be the slickest.

[Nasty]

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thoughts anyone? ps this is constructive critisism,:) as i think a good series is run...but....just the above

Thoughts are great .. but do not expect Vic Club to take note of things on this site .. please collect the ideas and send them through to admin@vicclub.co.nz that way something will be done with them, and it can be added to the business to be discussed.

VMCC have monthly meetings 3rd Tuesday of each month - Make sure ideas are sent in as early as possible for consideration - e.g. April so I can put on the agenda for a discussion to be had.

Cheers
Kari
Secretray
VMCC

[scracha]

who would like to see longer races in F1 and F 2 formula 3, even if it means cutting other classes, ( i myself have wondered in
Sure, I''d be willing to have a 2 lap post classic race so you can get more tracktime.....as if. Maybe we should cut even more of the track-time for the poor buggers in Clubmans. Sheesh.

To be honest, most of the race positions seem to be sorted by about lap 3 so I'm quite happy with 6 lappers for the majority of the series.

[Racey Rider]

Re longer race's...
What if Streetstock and Motard's were to use just the Manfield track extension, while other classes were on the main track?
Would free up more time.
No transponers.... Would need more volunteers for marshalls...

Just thinkin out loud....

Racey

[koba]

Sure, I''d be willing to have a 2 lap post classic race so you can get more tracktime.....as if. Maybe we should cut even more of the track-time for the poor buggers in Clubmans. Sheesh.

To be honest, most of the race positions seem to be sorted by about lap 3 so I'm quite happy with 6 lappers for the majority of the series.

+1

How it stands now maximises it for everyone within the track time available.

[GIXser]

Thoughts are great .. but do not expect Vic Club to take note of things on this site .. please collect the ideas and send them
Cheers
Kari
Secretray
VMCC

thank you kari, will do


Sure, I''d be willing to have a 2 lap post classic race so you can get more tracktime.....as if. Maybe we should cut even more of the track-time for the poor buggers in Clubmans. Sheesh.

To be honest, most of the race positions seem to be sorted by about lap 3 so I'm quite happy with 6 lappers for the majority of the series.

i probably wrote it up a bit wrong there Scracha.. i also mean say for instance if F1 doesnt get enough entries, maybe we should scracha...eeermm scratch that (sorry couldnt help myself there...):) my post applies to all classes,
ie if there are 15 F2 bikes in F1 and only 5 1000's entered its basically another F2 race... whilst other people get just 6 laps..


Re longer race's...
What if Streetstock and Motard's were to use just the Manfield track extension, while other classes were on the main track?
Would free up more time.
No transponers.... Would need more volunteers for marshalls...

Just thinkin out loud....

Racey

good point , but i think logistically pretty hard to run,


+1

How it stands now maximises it for everyone within the track time available.

correct i agree


I have to say I enjoyed the 10 lap races when we had then, so if they can be squeezed in that is cool. I can't think of what class could be dropped as all the classes are well subscrbed ( I think 600/F2 was sometimes oversubscribed and the non- qualifiers raced with us in clubmans ) I would not like to see clubmans (or any other class for that matter) have their track time reduced so F1 could get more laps - They paid the same entry fee and transponder hire. For some the streetstock or clubmans class is a stepping stone to bigger and better (well FASTER) things but for some it is the only class they can or want to compete in.
The Sound of Thunder meeting at Ruapuna has what they call "Bracket Races" where riders are grouped according to lap times from "class" races, regardless of what they are riding. (three groups A B & C VMCC may need 4 "brackets" to get grid sizes down to suit Manfield) This makes for very exciting racing and it pretty much comes down to rider skill. It is safe as all the fastest riders are in A bracket slowest in C. As an example looking at lap times at the closing rounds last year I would have been dicing with Clivoris even though my bike was twice the capacity and 20 years younger. (he probably would win cause his bike is yellow which is a fast colour :) )
I thought it worked well. - Just an Idea.

Umm... I guess that superbikes/F1 could do 10 laps in the time clubmans did 8 so maybe it could be done on "track time" instead of laps so you get 15 mins and the white flag comes out ? Starting to sound like a track day a bit ?

I have done a few different meetings now (I am still a newbie in the scheme of things though) and the VMCC ones seemed to be the slickest.


i agree clubmans should definately not be dropped..

[ArcherWC]

Umm... I guess that superbikes/F1 could do 10 laps in the time clubmans did 8 so maybe it could be done on "track time" instead of laps so you get 15 mins and the white flag comes out ? Starting to sound like a track day a bit ?



This is not as silly as it sounds, MX has allways done it this way, ie the nationals are 20 mins (or 25 cant remember) plus 1 lap.
It actually makes the day easier to plan and is in a way fairer, ie all classes get the same amount of tracktime, it just means the faster classes get more laps

[CHOPPA]

Sure, I''d be willing to have a 2 lap post classic race so you can get more tracktime.....as if. Maybe we should cut even more of the track-time for the poor buggers in Clubmans. Sheesh.

To be honest, most of the race positions seem to be sorted by about lap 3 so I'm quite happy with 6 lappers for the majority of the series.

Sounds fair, then they would have more time to clean up all the oil:2guns::shutup: haha

Na its not fair, but yeah the idea of F1 and F2 combined instead of F1 and F2 combined and an F2 race seems like a good idea. Then make it a 15 lap race

[Clivoris]

Great to have the suggestions and it will be good to have them formally put through the correct channels. Even an open letter to the committee and the Oily Rag?
We'll have to sit down with Mel (Pres and Clerk of Course), who has the institutional knowledge of what happens to "y" when "x" is changed. Would something like an invitational, non-points race at the end of the day (if there was time) address track time concerns? Or is it pointless, if there are no points up for grabs?:msn-wink:

[GIXser]

Great to have the suggestions and it will be good to have them formally put through the correct channels. Even an open letter to the committee and the Oily Rag?
We'll have to sit down with Mel (Pres and Clerk of Course), who has the institutional knowledge of what happens to "y" when "x" is changed. Would something like an invitational, non-points race at the end of the day (if there was time) address track time concerns? Or is it pointless, if there are no points up for grabs?:msn-wink:

yeah for sure, ill email something through !!
cheers mate

[scracha]

Re longer race's...
What if Streetstock and Motard's were to use just the Manfield track extension, while other classes were on the main track?
Just thinkin out loud....
Racey

Excellent idea. Wot 'bout Streetstock on main track and motards on extension simultaneously. Then swap em round after lunch and watch the carnage.

And can we get some jumps, mud and water to make it proper motard racing instead of chook chasers road racing?



Sounds fair, then they would have more time to clean up all the oil haha

But more time would be spent sweeping up the F2 plastics and kneesliders.

[Quasievil]

And can we get some jumps, mud and water to make it proper motard racing instead of chook chasers road racing?


No because most of the Motard riders dont want dirt sections, and most other classes will bitch about the dirt being dragged onto the main track

[svs]

Re longer race's...
What if Streetstock and Motard's were to use just the Manfield track extension, while other classes were on the main track?
Would free up more time.
No transponers.... Would need more volunteers for marshalls...

Just thinkin out loud....

Racey

Has been thought of before. Requires full circuit booking (more $$$), plus a whole extra set of volunteers (not just marshalls, but steward, clerk, starter, timers etc). But no reason why it can't be revisited.

Fewer longer races are good. Enables you to fit in more racing as less time is wasted getting bikes on and off the track.

[Str8 Jacket]

Sure, I''d be willing to have a 2 lap post classic race so you can get more tracktime.....as if. Maybe we should cut even more of the track-time for the poor buggers in Clubmans. Sheesh.

To be honest, most of the race positions seem to be sorted by about lap 3 so I'm quite happy with 6 lappers for the majority of the series.
Im with him! :yes:

Re longer race's...
What if Streetstock and Motard's were to use just the Manfield track extension, while other classes were on the main track?
Would free up more time.
No transponers.... Would need more volunteers for marshalls...

Just thinkin out loud....

Racey

Good idea but I personally wouldnt be happy with that idea...

[Tony.OK]

I agree on having less races but longer ones.....alot of time dissapears with all the extra gridding up etc.
I think the time on track is a very valid one too, the faster classes could easily have a few extra laps compared with the slower classes.
It would also encourage people to maybe move up a level. As would not allowing a crossentered rider to gain points.

At the end of the day someone somewhere won't be happy though.....................probably Scracha:laugh:...............just kidding :bleh:

[Teambwr47]

I'll be cross entering the VMCC and don't want my points taken away please.....

Sod the Superbike class lets just have 4 formula two races per meeting instead.....:Pokey:

Maybe we could start a future classic class or something for all the current Superbikes and give them a 3 lap once every other meet run out???

Just a thought........




Joking obviously

[WarrenW]

Re running on the extention, it's closing soon !!!
How about handicap races - put all F2 and F1 together and give them zimmer frames, F3 rulz + Post Classics, give them all the track time they want. LOL.

[Tony.OK]

I'll be cross entering the VMCC and don't want my points taken away please.....

Sod the Superbike class lets just have 4 formula two races per meeting instead.....:Pokey:

Maybe we could start a future classic class or something for all the current Superbikes and give them a 3 lap once every other meet run out???

Just a thought........




Joking obviously

Hell tits....................a 600 punta gets beaten at the line in one street race and all the toys come flying out of the cot:bleh:

[sinfull]

Well i recon the idea of me winning F1 works So any idea that helps, i'll vote for ! Or let me race in F2 maybe ?????????? 190kg dry, 130 Hp, power to wieght rah de rah ! EDIT : and and add rider wieght !
Or i'll shut up and race where i can and be happy doing so whether it be last or second to last !

[Clivoris]

Cool thread. It will definitely have to be discussed by the committee, but what I know from previous discussions is that there are also racers who prefer to have 3 first corner scraps rather than two longer races. Mel tries to spread it around over the season by varying the format for each meeting. This also makes sense given that 5 of our meetings are run at Manfield. I feel the F1 guys' pain though. If we didn't have so many F2 entries we could run both classes together, give them 4 races and just keep the points separate. Can't see it happening. The other option touched on might be the invitational at the end of the day if we have time. There are a few probs with this. The first that comes to mind is we would have to decide before the end of the last F1 race so the boys don't pack up. Then if we have problems, they have sat around for nothing.
The reality is that we have a pretty packed schedule, and everything we do to try and make someone happier, is bound to ruffle someone else up.

[CHOPPA]

Cool thread. It will definitely have to be discussed by the committee, but what I know from previous discussions is that there are also racers who prefer to have 3 first corner scraps rather than two longer races. Mel tries to spread it around over the season by varying the format for each meeting. This also makes sense given that 5 of our meetings are run at Manfield. I feel the F1 guys' pain though. If we didn't have so many F2 entries we could run both classes together, give them 4 races and just keep the points separate. Can't see it happening. The other option touched on might be the invitational at the end of the day if we have time. There are a few probs with this. The first that comes to mind is we would have to decide before the end of the last F1 race so the boys don't pack up. Then if we have problems, they have sat around for nothing.
The reality is that we have a pretty packed schedule, and everything we do to try and make someone happier, is bound to ruffle someone else up.

What if you let the F1 bikes race with the F2 class for no points and we start off the back? That way we can have the oppertunity to ride as much as the F2 riders. We shouldnt get less track time then the F2 boys just because we have bigger BALLS hahahaha

[Shaun P]

Haha yre funny thats not what u said when u were ridin a 600

[CHOPPA]

Haha yre funny thats not what u said when u were ridin a 600

Na i know but ill say anything to get more track time haha :innocent:

[driftn]

What if you let the F1 bikes race with the F2 class for no points and we start off the back? That way we can have the oppertunity to ride as much as the F2 riders. We shouldnt get less track time then the F2 boys just because we have bigger BALLS hahahaha


Hit the nail on the head with that one. Fantastic idea. 600 riders might complain about getting carved up by the fast guys on 1000's like your self.

[Clivoris]

The problem is that we probably have a full grid of F2 bikes already (35 max). No room for extras.

[Quasievil]

Okay Im ready to get a bashin, but if there is not enough F1 bikes to make a class then dont do a F1 race, same as any other class if there are not the numbers dont do it........seems obvious to me, is it only a motorcycle event if the F1 class is active ? hardly think so, if F1 want a class then they better get of their arses and attend it eh lol

Love you Eddie :dodge:

[wharfy]

Okay Im ready to get a bashin, but if there is not enough F1 bikes to make a class then dont do a F1 race, same as any other class if there are not the numbers dont do it........seems obvious to me, is it only a motorcycle event if the F1 class is active ? hardly think so, if F1 want a class then they better get of their arses and attend it eh lol

Love you Eddie :dodge:

Well I guess if you apply the "free market" rules that is perfectly valid. F1 guy's don't want to be considered a "minority" and get special treatment, that would be "socialist" :)

[Tony.OK]

Okay Im ready to get a bashin, but if there is not enough F1 bikes to make a class then dont do a F1 race, same as any other class if there are not the numbers dont do it........seems obvious to me, is it only a motorcycle event if the F1 class is active ? hardly think so, if F1 want a class then they better get of their arses and attend it eh lol

Love you Eddie :dodge:

Ya gonna get it now Mr!!!

Its not about us gettin off our arses............we already have. Maybe if they didn't allow chook chasers on the track more people might step up.............bro ya know i'm playin with ya aye
The cross entering has probably got alot to do with lower F1 bike #'s though, as has been said before there's no incentive to move up, look at Choppa last year, he could win on his 600 but chose to move up at the cost of track time to himself......................I wish he hadn't though, I might have a chance then

[Quasievil]

Ya gonna get it now Mr!!!

Its not about us gettin off our arses............we already have. Maybe if they didn't allow chook chasers on the track more people might step up.............bro ya know i'm playin with ya aye
The cross entering has probably got alot to do with lower F1 bike #'s though, as has been said before there's no incentive to move up, look at Choppa last year, he could win on his 600 but chose to move up at the cost of track time to himself......................I wish he hadn't though, I might have a chance then


BWAAAAHHHH, sheesh took a few hours but I got it in the end

have to say you as well many others are incredibly devoted to your sport but I think something is fundamentally wrong if we cant have full feilds in races where there is only one a month, the VMCC would have to be the premium pre season race build up series eh? so where are all the others.

But if a full field of superior motards couldnt be made up, I stand my my comment that in that case it should be canned also.

[Shaun P]

F1/Superbikes is the premier class with the end of the season becoming historically the place where National riders test their machines and the riders in that class get to see where they are at against the top guys. It will never be dropped you are kidding yreself, Motards while popular are a nice to have 'fun' class -kinda like take a kid fishing fun compared with bungee jumping - heart in your throat type fun

[TK3]

F1/Superbikes is the premier class with the end of the season becoming historically the place where National riders test their machines and the riders in that class get to see where they are at against the top guys. It will never be dropped you are kidding yreself, Motards while popular are a nice to have 'fun' class -kinda like take a kid fishing fun compared with bungee jumping - heart in your throat type fun

I would have like to have "taken my son fishing" and watched Darryl Atkins whip the " Premier" class at Wanganui if they had the nuts to let him race them in the Robert Holden Memorial Race.... But they didn't:girlfight: Ha ha

[steveyb]

With regard to different/longer vs shorter races etc.
Back in oh, I think 2003/04 we tried to change things up buy running each meeting with a different format.
Over the previous 10 years or whatever, it was all more or less the same. 3 x 6 lap races on the short track with maybe a reverse track thrown in.
So for two years we tried 3 races, 2 races, one short and one long race, normal track, reverse track, long track, two days, Taupo.
But sooooooo many riders bitched and moaned about it. No, really they did. So the club was more or less forced to go back to the old status quo.
Last year and this we have had/will have long track, Taupo and two day meetings to bring in some variation. So far this seems to be working.
Too many ideas have been tried in the past and have not worked for a variety of reasons or have worked and are now incorporated (such as transponders and staggered grids, they nearly got scrapped too!!).
Keep coming up with ideas, but ask the riders who have been around a while if the idea is new or can actually work.

[Quasievil]

Motards while popular are a nice to have 'fun' class -kinda like take a kid fishing fun compared with bungee jumping - heart in your throat type fun

mmmm how little he knows.
havin riden sportsbikes and now motards is clearly evident to me now how far sportsbike racers are stuck up there own arses with a almost demanded pre madonna like status, premier class what a load of crap, who ever said that was the way it is if not a sportsbike racer ?
national series what 9 bikes running in it .....premier lol .......whatever the last nats round was lucky to have even run with so few entries!!

lastly why are Sportsbike racers so keen on knocking Motards ? both have two wheels and require high level of skills to race them, is there no room for all ??

[TK3]

mmmm how little he knows.
havin riden sportsbikes and now motards is clearly evident to me now how far sportsbike racers are stuck up there own arses with a almost demanded pre madonna like status, premier class what a load of crap, who ever said that was the way it is if not a sportsbike racer ?
national series what 9 bikes running in it .....premier lol .......whatever the last round was lucky to have even run with so few entries!!

Ha ha:stupid: Don't beat around the bush Quasi tell him what you really think :clap:

[scracha]

No because most of the Motard riders dont want dirt sections, and most other classes will bitch about the dirt being dragged onto the main track
No dirt...then it's not Super Motard racing. Durcisez la baisse vers le haut. It can work if the section that rejoins the track is suitably positioned and the worst of the dirt cleaned off.


F1/Superbikes is the premier class with the end of the season becoming historically the place where National riders test their machines and the riders in that class get to see where they are at against

Top 2 or 3 riders aside, from my observations F2 appears to be the "premier" class at the VMCC. Normally more than 35 bikes entered and high level of skill and entertainment. The "National" riders normally just pop in for a play on the last round or 2 before the summer starts. Who gives a toss about history or making the series more accommodating for nationals riders to have a play at the expense of other paying club racers?

Suggestion: If there's only 10 or so litre bikes then why not have the other 25 or so 600 riders racing for F2 points instead of F1?

[Quasievil]

Ha ha:stupid: Don't beat around the bush Quasi tell him what you really think :clap:

Arr fuck em, Im done hearing and getting slags against Motards, comments like retards chook chasers etc as well as a few others are geting out of hand, we are here we pay the same money and are a legitamate class so get over it and that goes right up to the tosser official dude who black flagged the entire Motard field in pit lane at round 5 of the VMCC for a few putting their foot out quoting "this is a road racing event and you shall not stick your foot out" freckin dickhead, it was only motards racing you moron !

Not to mention we aint particulary slow and could dust a few of the bigger capacity/higher HP classes without to much effort on a few tracks.

Ranting now, but thats fine its KB

[Quasievil]

No dirt...then it's not Super Motard racing. Durcisez la baisse vers le haut. It can work if the section that rejoins the track is suitably positioned and the worst of the dirt cleaned off.


Who do you think is going to put some dirt down for us taupo did ages ago?

no-one else will.

besides why do we need it most of us are sweet with it the way it is?

[Tony.OK]

Holy shit Brett.................now look what you've done:crazy:

A series with no F1.......................:(

Suddenly I feel unloved and unwanted...:weep:

[Quasievil]

Holy shit Brett.................now look what you've done:crazy:

A series with no F1.......................:(

Suddenly I feel unloved and unwanted...:weep:

mate Im giving it back where deemed appropriate.
:msn-wink:

[Tony.OK]

mate Im giving it back where deemed appropriate.
:msn-wink:

And to think I was gonna let you sponsor my F1 season:whistle:

If I was a 600 rider would you respect me more? rather than bowing down to my superior SuperbikedF1ness:lol:

Anyhoo back on topic.......................I'm thinking the 6 lap races are just too short, 7 min on track doesn't give ya a chance to get into the groove really...........the two 10 lap meeting at rnd 6 was good.

[Shaun P]

mmmm how little he knows.
havin riden sportsbikes and now motards is clearly evident to me now how far sportsbike racers are stuck up there own arses with a almost demanded pre madonna like status, premier class what a load of crap, who ever said that was the way it is if not a sportsbike racer ?
national series what 9 bikes running in it .....premier lol .......whatever the last nats round was lucky to have even run with so few entries!!

lastly why are Sportsbike racers so keen on knocking Motards ? both have two wheels and require high level of skills to race them, is there no room for all ??

Haha too easy yre funny hook line and sinker :lol: btw I like Motards(No really ;)

[slowpoke]

What if you let the F1 bikes race with the F2 class for no points and we start off the back? That way we can have the oppertunity to ride as much as the F2 riders. We shouldnt get less track time then the F2 boys just because we have bigger BALLS hahahaha

Now there's the best suggestion I've seen so far.

This is a bigger issue than it seems. Look at the average age of our top riders: It's closer to 40 than 20 (Stroud, Clee, Shirriffs etc) and with racers actively discouraged from stepping up to a Superbike the chances of finding another Slight or Stroud or Harris are virtually nil. Even if someone does step up the competition is painfully thin so guys like Choppa and Ed are basically left time trialling rather than having someone to bang handle bars with and learn racecraft.

I don't give a shit about points, I just wanna race as much as I can and don't see why we aren't given the same opportunity as other classes.

Or we could just continue as we are, Superbikes dies as a class, and we are even further from putting on a good show for sponsors/TV etc.

[slowpoke]

Top 2 or 3 riders aside, from my observations F2 appears to be the "premier" class at the VMCC.

I kinda hear what you are saying but it's a bit like drag racing. Are street cars the premier class in drag racing 'cos there's lots of 'em? Nup, ask anyone and they'll say it's the top fuellers, even though there's bugger all of 'em at any given meet.


Nothing against the guys on 600's but if you are any good then you'll want to race the biggest baddest bikes around. By taking away the best/fastest bikes we diminish our sport and give any potential talent fuck all chance of progressing overseas.

The thing is, it's any easy fix! We can have lots of big bikes and we can have good racing....we've just gotta fix the cross entry rules.

[Kickaha]

, and we are even further from putting on a good show for sponsors/TV etc.

The other classes easiy put on just as good a show as the superbikes and quite often one that's even better

[Tony.OK]

and quite often one that's even better

That'd be the marshalls on the quads then:bleh:

Though it would be cool to have the trikes at club races........we'd all end up with 2 lap races:doh:..........soo many classes:confused:

[Quasievil]

The other classes easiy put on just as good a show as the superbikes and quite often one that's even better

yeah like Motards and Sidecars eh bro
Bloody F1 rs think the world revolves around them lol:rolleyes:

[CHOPPA]

Pretty sure its called the actrix 'superbike' championship.... Maybe they could change it to the actrix commuterbike championship as thats the bikes that seem to make up the numbers.... :spanking::laugh:

If your reading this and you dont ride a superbike, why do you choose not to? Serious question, not being smart but is it cost or track time or skill level?

[White trash]

Surely we don't wanna get in the F1 versus the world discussion.

All race classes are fun, and they can all be equally exciting. Let's face it, a field of 25 Superbikes, first 8-10 all banging fairings and going sick for a full 15-20 laps is just as entertaining as Motards.

I think the reason that Superbike is (rightly or wrongly) regarded as the "premier"" class, is that being the fastest, heaviest and most powerfull bike out there, they're also the most challenging to attempt to master. Probably the most dangerous too.

[Tony.OK]

yeah like Motards and Sidecars eh bro
Bloody F1 rs think the world revolves around them lol:rolleyes:

Think of us as the SUN :sunny: and yourself of more of a MOON :moon: :love:

[Quasievil]

If your reading this and you dont ride a superbike, why do you choose not to? Serious question, not being smart but is it cost or track time or skill level?

Im happy to answer that honestly, for me its probably a combo of things, money yes as its very expensive not just running costs but actual bike costs to get it competitive, suspensions pipes engine work (yall know the drill) for me its about personal sack size, Im not really wanting to push a bike hard at 300 kmph, I actually dont think I would enjoy it as much prolly shit myself a hell of alot more than I do on a 50.2 hp bike, and frankly not keen on damaging the temple to much.

I think I can ride a bike okay so as to not come last and I from experience I know Im not to bad on a bad arse bike either but given the above I dont think I need to pursue it.

The last thing is just good ole fun, I raced in F3 two years ago, had a off took ten weeks off work to recover etc and in that time I went to a VMCC meet and I happened to observe the fun factor in the racers of all classes, for me (hey I said ME) it seemed that alot of the sports bike guys seemed so damn tense and freckin serious (remember this is about me and what I want in racing) and I looked at the motard boys and frankly any more chilled out the would be asleep, coming back in laughing their arses off (on this particular occasion anyway) I said to me self , yup sold thats me Im into it........and here I am now havin a blast on a cheap bike with cheap costs (fark havent needed to change me tyres since round one of the tri series incl two trackdays the fuckers still have heaps of life in em)with some great people to race against.

But again this is my head space we all want different shite and have different goals, I mean yourself Sloanne you are incredibly talented and have a future in this sport, Im in it for shits n giggles and to hang out with me mates whilst hopefully not embarassing myself.

[Quasievil]

Think of us as the SUN :sunny: and yourself of more of a MOON :moon: :love:

Oh Mr Tony youre a funny little bugger these days aint ya lol

I agree with Mr Dalton to the F1 is the premier class for obvious reasons

hang on what we talkin about again ?

[Kickaha]

If your reading this and you dont ride a superbike, why do you choose not to? Serious question, not being smart but is it cost or track time or skill level?

All three, there's a very good reason I'm not allowed to steer the sidecar :lol:

I really have no inclination to race Superbikes although I've raced in a few different classes, the only class I'd consider riding a "big bike" in is Pre82

[White trash]

I dear say should I ever get back into racing a bike on two wheels, it'll probably be Retards or Pro Twins. The pressure I put upon myself on the big bike quickly meant it stopped being fun and more of a job.

[Tony.OK]

Im happy to answer that honestly, for me its .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. . Im in it for shits n giggles and to hang out with me mates whilst hopefully not embarassing myself.

Right on bro.................its all fun, and no one should be put down for getting on track:niceone:
My bike was my roadbike and a litre bike is the only bike I've ridden apart from a 250....................................I might've gone another way if I'd realised how much coin I'd need.

[CHOPPA]

To be honest id ride every class if i could! No shit i actually would, except sidecars, you guys are crazy and i dont really trust anyone that much!

If i wasnt on F1 or F2 bike id be on a motard for sure.

Superbikes dont have to be expensive guys actually theres no diff in a club superbike to a club 600 or even sv650 for that matter

[Quasievil]

I dear say should I ever get back into racing a bike on two wheels, it'll probably be Retards or Pro Twins. The pressure I put upon myself on the big bike quickly meant it stopped being fun and more of a job.

Motards son Motards......k

And after the 28th I plan on your smile being so fucking huge you will come to the dark side......for I am your father........(SLAP sorry )

Um anyway, mate a highly skilled rider like you will in my opinion be a freckin natural on a Motard and definately a top feild contender, and if it needs further encouragement you can race a round on my bike for free.

there ya go !

[White trash]

Motards son Motards......k

And after the 28th I plan on your smile being so fucking huge you will come to the dark side......for I am your father........(SLAP sorry )

Um anyway, mate a highly skilled rider like you will in my opinion be a freckin natural on a Motard and definately a top feild contender, and if it needs further encouragement you can race a round on my bike for free.

there ya go !
Lol. Appreciate the offer "Dad' but I'm envisaging there wont be a hell of alot more motivation needed after a lap or two.

Convincing the missus that a Motard's the action could be a different story. :D

[cowpoos]

The other classes easiy put on just as good a show as the superbikes and quite often one that's even better

Not a shit show...maybe other racer's...not to the wider community!!

[cowpoos]

I dear say should I ever get back into racing a bike on two wheels, it'll probably be Retards or Pro Twins. The pressure I put upon myself on the big bike quickly meant it stopped being fun and more of a job.

At times Jimmy...I hate to say it...Alot of the people on this website, put overwhelming amounts of pressure on you...saying you were going to win the championship and all that shit...and at times I used to get quietly shitty at some people the way they carryed on...

Thats not to say that I don't think you could at all...you are a dam talented MoFo!! but I couldn't even imagine how much pressure that put you under during your first season on a superbike.

All the top guys say...its mostly in your head!!

[CHOPPA]

Motards son Motards......k

And after the 28th I plan on your smile being so fucking huge you will come to the dark side......for I am your father........(SLAP sorry )

Um anyway, mate a highly skilled rider like you will in my opinion be a freckin natural on a Motard and definately a top feild contender, and if it needs further encouragement you can race a round on my bike for free.

there ya go !

Well seen your offering...

[Matt Bleck]

Well seen your offering...
so there's a line then?

[slowpoke]

Im in it for shits n giggles and to hang out with me mates whilst hopefully not embarassing myself.

Haha, those are exactly the reasons I picked a Superbike....except the "mates" part, I leave them at home in the Wairarapa paddock.

I've never shit myself as much or laughed as hard as when I've been on track with a thou'.....and most of it as a result of my own actions. Hey, if you can't laugh at yourself who can you laugh at right? Embarassing? Sometimes, but what the fuck, I'm still satsfying my own goals of 1) learning as I go and 2) having a blast. See ,that's the beauty of having no talent, fun is not results dependent. And I'll never die wondering what it is what like to ride a genuine Superbike, even if the actual chances of dieing have increased significantly as a result, LOL.

I just fuggin' love taking the big banger to the track. Whatever people enjoy about racing the smaller bikes a Superbike is exactly the same.....only more so. Everything is just more, more, more....more acceleration, more braking, more G-forces, more things to think about, more pure speed. Oh, except for time, you've got less time to do everything. It's just a shame more people don't choose to experience it and it'll be an even bigger shame if they are no longer part of our racing landscape.

And forget the "it costs more more" line, if you can afford to run a 600 or BEARS bike in two classes, you can afford to run a Superbike.

With regard to Jimmy and co getting caught up in other peoples expectations that's also the one upside to having no sponsors, pit crew or supporters club: complete freedom from other peoples expectations.

[slowpoke]

Thoughts are great .. but do not expect Vic Club to take note of things on this site .. please collect the ideas and send them through to admin@vicclub.co.nz that way something will be done with them, and it can be added to the business to be discussed.

VMCC have monthly meetings 3rd Tuesday of each month - Make sure ideas are sent in as early as possible for consideration - e.g. April so I can put on the agenda for a discussion to be had.

Cheers
Kari
Secretray
VMCC

Okey dokey, I've fired something off to Vic Club. Get your own thoughts in fella's and the words/ideas won't be wasted.

[White trash]

At times Jimmy...I hate to say it...Alot of the people on this website, put overwhelming amounts of pressure on you...saying you were going to win the championship and all that shit...and at times I used to get quietly shitty at some people the way they carryed on...

Thats not to say that I don't think you could at all...you are a dam talented MoFo!! but I couldn't even imagine how much pressure that put you under during your first season on a superbike.

All the top guys say...its mostly in your head!!
This is going a bit off topic but I need to respond mate. And we've had this conversation before.

I truly believe that the only person responsible for my stress and high expectations is me. It's 5% what other people think and 95% how we choose to react to it. I can honestly say that although a heap of people had a high oppinion of my riding ability, none were responsible for the pressure I felt, other than myself. I very quickly forgot that the whole reason I started racing was to HAVE FUN and trapped myself into thinking I HAD TO perform. It's an easy place to find yourself stuck and I've promised myself that when I get out there again (read IF), I will not make the same mistake.

[slowpoke]

I very quickly forgot that the whole reason I started racing was to HAVE FUN

Just follow me for a lap or two mate, you won't know whether to laugh or cry but it's fuggin' funny all the same.

[koba]

Superbikes dont have to be expensive guys actually theres no diff in a club superbike to a club 600 or even sv650 for that matter

Whats the difference in tyre bill?
Serious question.

[GIXser]

With regard to different/longer vs shorter races etc.
Back in oh, I think 2003/04 we tried to change things up buy running each meeting with a different format.
Over the previous 10 years or whatever, it was all more or less the same. 3 x 6 lap races on the short track with maybe a reverse track thrown in.
So for two years we tried 3 races, 2 races, one short and one long race, normal track, reverse track, long track, two days, Taupo.
But sooooooo many riders bitched and moaned about it. No, really they did. So the club was more or less forced to go back to the old status quo.
Last year and this we have had/will have long track, Taupo and two day meetings to bring in some variation. So far this seems to be working.
Too many ideas have been tried in the past and have not worked for a variety of reasons or have worked and are now incorporated (such as transponders and staggered grids, they nearly got scrapped too!!).
Keep coming up with ideas, but ask the riders who have been around a while if the idea is new or can actually work.

Whilst i hear you.. and believe variations have been tried before, when i ran the vic series past my sponsors today at the v 8 s, they said straight away "its hardly worth it"....for the money !! (their the ones writing the cheque after all)

thats not to say i dont enjoy it.. i do !! but say two thousand bucks or so for 2 x 6 lappers..(if im correct) ..i am and the sponsors are struggling with

im betta to do some track days and concentrate on the nats (words from the sponsors mouth...

ill write to vic club also and express my concern..