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Motoracer
3rd March 2005, 11:38
I've got arms like a girl and I wouldn't mind adding a bit of meat on to em. So I went and bought my self a set of boxing gloves. I got a few interested mates who wouldn't mind throwing a few punches around for fun and getting a black eye or 2.

If any of you's are interested, let me know and we'll see if we can make it a weekly thing.

Just a note though, it's all for good fun and not for serious boxers or fighters. We are only a group little shits after all. :niceone:

bear
3rd March 2005, 11:39
Reckon a mouth guard would be a good call.

Deano
3rd March 2005, 11:43
That would be fun to watch - newbies almost always underestimate their own strength and when they get 'tagged' they tend to get carried away, lose control and try to take you head off.

Definitely recommend a mouthguard.

To make it even more interesting, have a few beers first.

Riff Raff
3rd March 2005, 11:54
I'd like to come and watch this so I can have a good laugh - but fear that I might end up having to do some patching up!!!

**R1**
3rd March 2005, 11:56
If anyone from Chch is keen i have some gloves and a punching bag..... id be keen to knock some poor bastard around...J/K im a lil fella dont think i would actualy hurt anyone:msn-wink:

Hitcher
3rd March 2005, 11:58
"How much can you know about yourself if you've never been in a fight?"

"Self-improvement is masturbation."

"This is your life, and it's ending one minute at a time."

Dr Bob
3rd March 2005, 12:05
I have a homemade wing chun dummy in my gargre that I beat up. I just made one for my brother in law and took analogue pics the other day that I will endeavour to get processed shortly. It's a good way to train.

spudchucka
3rd March 2005, 12:23
I've got arms like a girl and I wouldn't mind adding a bit of meat on to em.
Push weights and eat meat!

Biff
3rd March 2005, 12:31
You won't put any worthwhile muscle on punching a bag for forks sake. Do some weights & eat lots of protein.

Failing that, swap your bike for a Blackbird or Busa and eat lots of burgers. My arms have trebled in size since buying my bike!!

jrandom
3rd March 2005, 12:35
Push weights and eat meat!

Yeah. Wot Spud says.

Sparring isn't going to give you big delts and biceps (well, not past a certain point, anyway). Weight training is.

What you describe will, in fact, as far as I can tell, do nothing for you at all except get your teeth knocked out. It probably won't make you a better fighter.

Join a proper boxing or Muay Thai gym and start training with some people who know what they're doing. Nix with this basement stuff.

bugjuice
3rd March 2005, 12:36
first rule of fight club - no one talks about fight club.

Second rule of fight club - no one talks about fight club

Third rule of fight club - ask around, see if yer mates want to join in..

Motoracer
3rd March 2005, 12:37
Cool, gotta make mouth guard a compulsary equipment when we do this then.

I have done weights but I get bored of em after a while. Besides, I need strong but light mussels good for speed as well as strength. I don't wana bulk up, I just want some stronger faster arms to flick my bike around corners quicker for longer.

jrandom
3rd March 2005, 12:38
That would be fun to watch - newbies almost always underestimate their own strength and when they get 'tagged' they tend to get carried away, lose control and try to take you head off.

Definitely recommend a mouthguard.

To make it even more interesting, have a few beers first.

Yeah.

Um...

Actually, MR's idea concerns me a bit. Good chance of someone getting carried away and doing real damage. It's all good fun until someone gets a detached retina...

jrandom
3rd March 2005, 12:41
I have done weights but I get bored of em after a while. Besides, I need strong but light mussels good for speed as well as strength. I don't wana bulk up, I just want some stronger faster arms to flick my bike around corners quicker for longer.

Arrrgh.

Arrrgh, arrrgh, arrrgh.

Thud.

MR, you and I need to sit down and have a good long talk about strength training. There is no law of physics that says that lifting has to make you slow.

Perhaps we'll have some time to chat on Sunday.

MSTRS
3rd March 2005, 12:46
Push weights and eat meat!
Better yet......shoot your own & drag it up a tree away from other predators :cool:

**R1**
3rd March 2005, 12:50
You won't put any worthwhile muscle on punching a bag for forks sake. Do some weights & eat lots of protein.

Failing that, swap your bike for a Blackbird or Busa and eat lots of burgers. My arms have trebled in size since buying my bike!!

So has your arse:shake:

Motoracer
3rd March 2005, 12:56
Arrrgh.

Arrrgh, arrrgh, arrrgh.

Thud.

MR, you and I need to sit down and have a good long talk about strength training. There is no law of physics that says that lifting has to make you slow.

Perhaps we'll have some time to chat on Sunday.

OK, sounds good to me. I'll be ready with an open mind on Sunday to be enlightened.

However, if you change my mind, I'll be an unhappy chappy cause I just bought the gloves!

Biff
3rd March 2005, 13:06
So has your arse:shake:

I knew you'd been looking at my arse. You arsebandit.

ManDownUnder
3rd March 2005, 13:09
I'd like to come and watch this so I can have a good laugh - but fear that I might end up having to do some patching up!!!

Just come along unprepared... let it be known you're off duty and head out for the laugh only... have a few beers... then even if you did offer to help you'd likely be turned down (although the ol' breath as anasthetic could be a bonus...)

ManDownUnder
3rd March 2005, 13:10
I knew you'd been looking at my arse. You arsebandit.

Biffy - your avatar's arse is nice... yours... well I don't know (actually I DON'T know... and I'm glad).

T.I.E
3rd March 2005, 13:13
yep i'm in have not been in a fight in ages. since primary school. so i'm in. forgot what it feels like to get hit. when and where?

ManDownUnder
3rd March 2005, 13:15
I've got arms like a girl

Bloody Skite...

Motoracer
3rd March 2005, 13:22
yep i'm in have not been in a fight in ages. since primary school. so i'm in. forgot what it feels like to get hit. when and where?

Alright, that's another keen KBer! I'll let you know via PM dude.

jrandom
3rd March 2005, 13:23
However, if you change my mind, I'll be an unhappy chappy cause I just bought the gloves!

Oh, you'll need the glubs if you plan on doing any sparring, won't you. No worries there.

Biff
3rd March 2005, 13:23
Biffy - your arse is nice.

Actually- that Avatar is me in Ms Biff's PVC get up. You are now officialy a sausage jockey. :yeah:

ManDownUnder
3rd March 2005, 13:25
Actually- that Avatar is me in Ms Biff's PVC get up. You are now officialy a sausage jockey. :yeah:

FARK OFF!!!!!!

Sniper
3rd March 2005, 13:26
"Self-improvement is masturbation."


But the ultimate art of rejection is when your hand falls asleep while doing it

T.I.E
3rd March 2005, 13:38
But the ultimate art of rejection is when your hand falls asleep while doing it

ha ha ha, wondered why my hand kept haveing a head ache, how convienent

Firefight
3rd March 2005, 13:47
I've got arms like a girl and I wouldn't mind adding a bit of meat on to em. So I went and bought my self a set of boxing gloves. I got a few interested mates who wouldn't mind throwing a few punches around for fun and getting a black eye or :niceone:


Well.... even thou were good mates, I would be keen, however if you want to bulk up, thats not the way to do it.also you will need to strap up properly to avoid damage, if your still keen let me know saturday night. I must add that we tried this at work, and it did not do much to strengthen freindships, in fact in the end we had to ban it altogether.. :confused:

F/F

Lucyloo
3rd March 2005, 14:16
MR,
Go and do a "Box Fit" class at Boxing Central opposite Mt Eden prison.
They are really good fun, but boy, do you work hard.
Mosen's classes are the best. (5.30pm Mon-Fri and 9.30am Sat)
He sorts the men out from the boys! And the women from the girls!
Casual classes $15.
Luce.

dss3
3rd March 2005, 14:37
Oh hell yeah! This is just what me and some mates used to do. From memory it tends to go a little something like this...

At first your a little tentative and then you progress and things are going fine, untill one night after a couple of beers you decide to have a little play with the gloves, this is fine. You quietly jab a little here and there untill the testosterone gets pumping and punches get a little harder. Then its only a matter of time untill some one just can't resist any longer and decides to bring out a massive upper cut! Then all hell breaks loose while spectators piss themselves laughing at your wild haymaker swings and it's cut lips and black eyes all around!

Damn good fun though!

_daryl

justsomeguy
3rd March 2005, 14:54
Boxing is fun......... a lot of fun.

I'd suggest you join Lee Gar, they are in Balmoral and run classes from Mon to Thur. Starting around 5:30 am.

The thing with doing your own thing is that you have no structure....... so after the first half hour you pretty much don't know what to do.......apart from being completely nackered........:brick:

So next time you try it you go hard for the first half hour........ do your stretching, etc get it on and then.........:spudwhat:

By joining someone professional at least you learn proper technique....... which is pretty important......:yeah:

Good Luck.......:2thumbsup

I'll be keen if you wanna have a couple of rounds........ I'm around 73kgs....and pretty much your height........:confused:

About mouthguards, etc.... it's better we don't go for the heads...... "ONE" decent knock to the chin will put you or me to sleep and black eyes are a bloody inconvenience........:whocares:

Once again Good Luck..... :wari:

That Guy
3rd March 2005, 14:55
Get some head gear too. It's amazing how much it hurts when you get clocked a goodie in the side of the head. Plus its not good news getting concussion.

Not a cheap option but if your ultmiate goal is getting race fit - buy a mx bike. Racing one of those knackers you in 10 minutes like you wouldn't believe + it's getting all the right riding muscles sorted.

Deano
3rd March 2005, 15:16
Head gear gets in the way and is for woosies IMHO.

Get some 14 Oz gloves, make sure you establish some rules like timed rounds, blows below the belt etc and have enough people on hand to break you up if things get out of hand.

Keep your hands up at all times and with 14 Oz gloves it is unlikely you will do any major damage, unless David Tua or someone his size joins in.

Spar with people you trust to control themselves at least until you get some skills.

Anyone in Welly want to have a go at this ???

My place is well set up. PM me if ya keen.

NC
3rd March 2005, 15:17
I wish I had girlie arms

White trash
3rd March 2005, 15:18
Anyone in Welly want to have a go at this ???

My place is well set up. PM me if ya keen.

You're fu'in ded mate!

I'm gonna knock the shit outta ya, you effing pansy!

NC
3rd March 2005, 15:19
Head gear gets in the way and is for woosies IMHO.


Anyone in Welly want to have a go at this ???

My place is well set up. PM me if ya keen.
YOu just wanna have a 'spa' with someone...

You will have the ambulance standing by..?

Heh :bleh:

White trash
3rd March 2005, 15:19
I wish I had girlie arms

You've got lurvly wee arms.

I say "wee" 'cause I've got wee legs, and your arms aren't *that* much bigger.

NC
3rd March 2005, 15:21
You've got lurvly wee arms.

I say "wee" 'cause I've got wee legs, and your arms aren't *that* much bigger.
:killingme

Dr Bob
3rd March 2005, 15:21
Head gear is recomended for sparring when you are not in a sprung ring.

In TKD they made head gear compulsory for sparring because people were falling over and hitting their head. However, TKD sparring involves a lot of kicking and a higher likelihood of falling over. If your are novices and sparring on a hard surface I would still recommend it.

Deano
3rd March 2005, 15:30
You're fu'in ded mate!

I'm gonna knock the shit outta ya, you effing pansy!

How about you get past NC30 chick first mate ? :2thumbsup Now that I would like to see.

slob
3rd March 2005, 15:34
I have done weights but I get bored of em after a while. Besides, I need strong but light mussels good for speed as well as strength. I don't wana bulk up, I just want some stronger faster arms to flick my bike around corners quicker for longer.

Strong, but light mussels? Planning a seafood bbq? Bro, I think you should have a look at that book I have on Bruce Lee's training methods (it's in the garage) you can train for speed and endurance with weights. Note that training for speed is different from training for endurance. Speed training is essentially anaerobic (does not use oxygen) whereas endurance training is very aerobic. Speed training develops your fast-twitch muscles , whereas endurance training develops your slow-twitch muscles. Body-building develops your fast-twitch muscles too, but in a different way. BB adds bulk to the fast-twitch muscles by stressing them and forcing them to absorb more nutrients. Speed training trains your nervous system to send impulses to your fast-twitch muscles more efficiently and speeds up the contraction rate of the muscles themselves too.

If you show up at the gym when I'm there, I could show you what you need to do..

As for informal sparring, back when I used to go to Wing Chun classes, the guys used to get a tad carried away in the sparring sessions. Nothing like a punch in the mouth to wake you up and get motivated!

Deano
3rd March 2005, 15:35
Head gear is recomended for sparring when you are not in a sprung ring.

In TKD they made head gear compulsory for sparring because people were falling over and hitting their head. However, TKD sparring involves a lot of kicking and a higher likelihood of falling over. If your are novices and sparring on a hard surface I would still recommend it.

Its very hard to get head gear to fit properly and it swivels about and impairs your vision - exactly what you don't want when someone is trying to punch you in the face.

TKD doesn't involve punches to the head so less likely that headgear will swivel round and cause this problem. Personally I never liked TKD for that reason and after watching it at the Olympics I can't say I was impressed at all. All that protective gear, no punches to the head, excessive use of force ????. WTF ??

It looked scrappy and uncontrolled - that is when there was actually some action - seemed the opponents were more interested in bobbing about for the entire bout than actually fighting.

Dr Bob
3rd March 2005, 15:51
It looked scrappy and uncontrolled - that is when there was actually some action - seemed the opponents were more interested in bobbing about for the entire bout than actually fighting.

Yeah, the WTF stuff is a bad image. The WTF is only the sport, the clubs are formed under the Kukkiwon (sp?) and I have sparred in open and Karate matches semi successfully. Don't take the top level WTF stuff as an idea about the martial art TKD (even the affiliated clubs).

jrandom
3rd March 2005, 15:51
It looked scrappy and uncontrolled - that is when there was actually some action - seemed the opponents were more interested in bobbing about for the entire bout than actually fighting.

What I love most about TKD bouts is the rule where if you turn your back to your opponent, they're not allowed to touch you...

TKD these days is a sport, not a martial art. It's closer in spirit to rhythmic gymnastics than boxing.

[Edit: naturally, I'm referring to WTF (hehe, like, WTF?) not the Proper Old Skool Korean Kick-Ya-In-The-Head-And-Dance-About-On-Your-Grave stuff.]

White trash
3rd March 2005, 15:54
And I think we're all forgetting the good ol' WWF.

I mean *those* cunts can fight!

I'm gonna suplex that Deano fucker, no problem.

Dr Bob
3rd March 2005, 15:56
What I love most about TKD bouts is the rule where if you turn your back to your opponent, they're not allowed to touch you...

TKD these days is a sport, not a martial art. It's closer in spirit to rhythmic gymnastics than boxing.

You can't hit someone in the back of the head in boxing either. However, in both codes you will be warned - and lose points etc. because of it.

Although I bagged WTF just now, don't underestimate it, or a successful competitor. Good competitors can cover a good deal of ground and kick you in the head before you have had a chance to think about it.

A 2nd dan guy that used to train with us (typical 1900mm 67kg korean) used to specialise in speed kicks. You would hold a 1inch thick board by forefinger and thumb (dangle it) and he would do a jumping spinning hook kick and leave you with half the board in your hand - just using air pressure resistance behind the board.

jrandom
3rd March 2005, 16:08
Although I bagged WTF just now, don't underestimate it, or a successful competitor. Good competitors can cover a good deal of ground and kick you in the head before you have had a chance to think about it.

True, dat.

I'm not a qualified commentator, in any case. People are welcome to kick each other in the head all day long, in whatever fashion they please, as far as I'm concerned. :)

Here's another question for all you folks considering (or who already are) taking up full-contact martial arts.

Aren't you a little worried about getting your brain bounced around? And ending up real dumb? There's plenty of stuff to do that will keep you healthy, fast and strong, but doesn't involve other guys doing their best to kill or maim you.

Now, I fully understand the attraction of the idea. It's the ultimate expression of competitiveness... I mean, who *hasn't* wanted to beat the snot out of some prat you're competing against in some more 'polite' sport?

But (entirely apart from the ethical aspects of violence, which I'm not speaking to here) I can't just rationalise it. One lucky or unlucky (depending on perspective) punch, and you're a vegetable. Yes, I know there are injury risks in every sport. But it seems that putting yourself in front of someone and daring them to do you direct harm is just... foolish.

mattt
3rd March 2005, 16:11
To make it even more interesting, have a few beers first.


By having those beers at a south auckland pub before your work out you'll be able to combine an anaerobic factor into your workout. :confused:

Dr Bob
3rd March 2005, 16:12
True, dat.

....
Aren't you a little worried about getting your brain bounced around? And ending up real dumb? There's plenty of stuff to do that will keep you healthy, fast and strong, but doesn't involve other guys doing their best to kill or maim you.



Lawn bowls has a higher fatality rate than any other sport. I am avoiding that one.

I started martial arts because I didn't want to one day be in a position of getting in harm (and now of my loved ones being in harms way). I would prefer to get the vaccination in the form of sparring against friends than one day be placed in front of an enemy as fresh meat.

jrandom
3rd March 2005, 16:15
Lawn bowls has a higher fatality rate than any other sport. I am avoiding that one.

Ha. Ha. Well, I couldn't have asked that question without leaving myself wide open for the obvious cheap shot...


I started martial arts because I didn't want to one day be in a position of getting in harm (and now of my loved ones being in harms way). I would prefer to get the vaccination in the form of sparring against friends than one day be placed in front of an enemy as fresh meat.

Have you considered carrying a weapon?

Dr Bob
3rd March 2005, 16:18
If you carried a weapon then you would be breaking the law. If you know how to make things around you a weapon then you are defending yourself.

The 400mm socket bar, the broom handle that has been left behind the door that you have been meaning to put back on the broom, the handsaw....

jrandom
3rd March 2005, 16:31
If you carried a weapon then you would be breaking the law. If you know how to make things around you a weapon then you are defending yourself.

This particular aspect of New Zealand law has always seemed disingenuous to me. But then, its true purpose being to give the police an easy mechanism for apprehending armed Undesirables, perhaps disingenuity is necessary.

In principle, would you prefer to be a member of an armed society, or an unarmed one? I'm quite honestly undecided on that question, although I lean toward unarmed.


The 400mm socket bar, the broom handle that has been left behind the door that you have been meaning to put back on the broom, the handsaw....

... or the knife in your pocket?

Which you use as a letter-opener.

Of course. ;)

The problem remains, however, of what your wife is to do when such problems arise and you aren't there. No amount of training will help her much in the face of the rather determined 120kg chappie with a crowbar who just wandered in the back door. In fact, nothing much other than a gun in her hands will help her, there.

But I personally think that such scenarios are rather contrived.

Do you have an already-considered opinion?

What legislative framework would *you* like to see around the question of self-defense?

NC
3rd March 2005, 16:32
How about you get past NC30 chick first mate ? :2thumbsup Now that I would like to see.
But he's so lil...he'd break!

White trash
3rd March 2005, 16:35
But he's so lil...he'd break!

I'll fuck-you-up man!

NC
3rd March 2005, 16:38
I'll fuck-you-up man!
:(

But I already have a broken wrist bone thingee..yah meany!

I'll kick you in the nuts-ah! :laugh:

Dr Bob
3rd March 2005, 16:51
This particular aspect of New Zealand law has always seemed disingenuous to me. But then, its true purpose being to give the police an easy mechanism for apprehending armed Undesirables, perhaps disingenuity is necessary.

.....

The problem remains, however, of what your wife is to do when such problems arise and you aren't there. No amount of training will help her much in the face of the rather determined 120kg chappie with a crowbar who just wandered in the back door. In fact, nothing much other than a gun in her hands will help her, there.



I prefer not to think about it in those terms - if you have faith then you can only do things about the things you can do things about.

jrandom
3rd March 2005, 17:03
... you can only do things about the things you can do things about.

... but you've already described the actions you've taken to expand the range of things that you can do things about, or at least the things that you can do about things that, had you not done anything to create something that you could do about such a thing, you might not have had anything you could have done about.

If you see what I mean.

I guess it comes down to 'where does one draw the line'?

What is the difference between using your m4d l33t finely-honed skill to kick someone in the head, and pulling out the bludgeon you keep stowed beneath your overcoat for such a purpose, and thwocking them with it?

Surely the kicking-in-head training equates to the act of stowing the bludgeon.

If the law draws a distinction, perhaps that just means that the law is an ass...

(No, Hitcher, the law is not an arse. Well, sometimes it is, but in this context it's more of an equine thingy.)

Motoracer
3rd March 2005, 17:13
Cheers for the input everyone, it's been a good read. I'll do that slob.

P.S. Don't let WT's rather slender looks fool you. He's one strong mofo and I'm sure he can pack one hell of a punch.

Slipstream
3rd March 2005, 17:26
P.S. Don't let WT's rather slender looks fool you. He's one strong mofo and I'm sure he can pack one hell of a punch.

He's the scrappiest scrapper I know....

I'd be up for a Welly fight club thingamee .... I'd have to fit it around my chess club, sci fi club, gaming club, maths club, physics club, my economics lectures, my statistics tutorials, my orniothology club and K.A.O.S.... Not to mention my stamp collecting time, dusting my rock collection time, and when I go to my work in the library and help out in the university paper :niceone:

Man I'm cool :cool:

SuperDave
3rd March 2005, 17:28
I reckon that a punching bag would be much better to try those new gloves of yours out on - they don't bleed and make a mess, nor do they bitch if you hit them too hard.

Sensei
3rd March 2005, 18:07
Sounds like fun . Wish I could join in . All way's loved fighting maybe thats why I took up Matrial Arts in the first place . If ya need some pointer's don't be shy drop me a PM Could help you out . :yeah:
SENSEI

Two Smoker
3rd March 2005, 18:08
Mate, i will tell you a few things you cn do at the track as well :niceone: Boxing is good though.... but you would have to look at doing it properly at a club....

Personally for the best fitness do swimming, im not talking playing in the pool... im talking doing laps, with different styles.... and by laps i mean 30 to 40 laps (of olympic sized pool).... Have you ever done 6 laps of butterfly...??? That gets you fucked quickly....

Swimming is one of the best... It gets you fit, and tones you up, without stressing your joints like running does....

and as a motrcycle racer, i want your girly arms... look at the MotoGP riders.... some of them dont even crack 60kgs...

avgas
3rd March 2005, 18:57
what ever happened to the first rule!

Riff Raff
3rd March 2005, 19:31
Have you ever done 6 laps of butterfly...??? That gets you fucked quickly....
Really??? :shit: What it gets the little girlies so excited they rip off their bathing costumes and .....?????

moko
3rd March 2005, 19:56
I've got arms like a girl and I wouldn't mind adding a bit of meat on to em. So I went and bought my self a set of boxing gloves. I got a few interested mates who wouldn't mind throwing a few punches around for fun and getting a black eye or 2.

If any of you's are interested, let me know and we'll see if we can make it a weekly thing.

Just a note though, it's all for good fun and not for serious boxers or fighters. We are only a group little shits after all. :niceone:

Good way to fall out with your mates,it`ll get competitive and end in tears.I`ve seen arm-wrestling,gambling and "play-fighting" cause serious friction when the adrenaline`s kicked in and suddenly it gets serious.
If you`ve got arms like a girl make the most of your assets,buy a nice bracelet and some nail polish.

750Y
3rd March 2005, 20:00
can i join? i'll bring me handbag so lookout! 8-)

cliffy
3rd March 2005, 20:33
there's nowt wrong with noodle arms mate !! but if ya wnna get bigger eat the right food proteins -etc-etc,and do the right excersize -weights(properly though- get some one to show you the'right way').
the punchin thing will be 'all fun and games til someone loses an eye young man!!' (mum used to say that all the time!) :kick:

Motu
3rd March 2005, 20:56
Not a cheap option but if your ultmiate goal is getting race fit - buy a mx bike. Racing one of those knackers you in 10 minutes like you wouldn't believe + it's getting all the right riding muscles sorted.

The only sensible thing said in this whole thread,why do you think most of the top road racers ride MX bikes - try doing 3 laps of an MX track,if you can still stand you're doing pretty good.MX takes HUGE upper body strength...and an added bonus,it will improve your riding too.

Dr Bob
4th March 2005, 06:44
... but you've already described the actions you've taken to expand the range of things that you can do things about, or at least the things that you can do about things that, had you not done anything to create something that you could do about such a thing, you might not have had anything you could have done about.

If you see what I mean.


Yes, I do. But then I didn't disagree with this negation.

Deano
4th March 2005, 07:37
Here's another question for all you folks considering (or who already are) taking up full-contact martial arts.

One lucky or unlucky (depending on perspective) punch, and you're a vegetable. Yes, I know there are injury risks in every sport. But it seems that putting yourself in front of someone and daring them to do you direct harm is just... foolish.


I don't know of anyone in NZ doing Muay Thai that has suffered a serious head injury - I bet a few rugby players have though......

As I understand it there have only been a small number of deaths, mostly in Thailand.

Personally I would rather be in front of an opponent knowing exactly what his intentions are rather than be cut down from the side or behind on a rugby field, or rucked at the bottom of a maul. That IMO is foolish. In Muay Thai and Boxing competition you are also pitted against someone of the same weight so its not like you will be getting clubbed in the head by someone twice your size - that could also be foolish. (Although sparring bigger guys is fun as they are generally a lot slower and easy pickings - just don't stand still for too long)

vifferman
4th March 2005, 07:57
Have you ever done 6 laps of butterfly...??? That gets you fucked quickly....

Really??? :shit: What it gets the little girlies so excited they rip off their bathing costumes and .....?????
If that's the case, then he must've meant breast-stroke, not butterfly....:shifty:

jrandom
4th March 2005, 08:32
I don't know of anyone in NZ doing Muay Thai that has suffered a serious head injury - I bet a few rugby players have though......

As I understand it there have only been a small number of deaths, mostly in Thailand.

Personally I would rather be in front of an opponent knowing exactly what his intentions are rather than be cut down from the side or behind on a rugby field, or rucked at the bottom of a maul. That IMO is foolish. In Muay Thai and Boxing competition you are also pitted against someone of the same weight so its not like you will be getting clubbed in the head by someone twice your size - that could also be foolish. (Although sparring bigger guys is fun as they are generally a lot slower and easy pickings - just don't stand still for too long)

Interesting and well-made points.

Hmmm...

Any Muay Thai gyms you'd recommend in Auckland?

Deano
4th March 2005, 10:04
Interesting and well-made points.

Hmmm...

Any Muay Thai gyms you'd recommend in Auckland?

One other point is that the damage done in Muay Thai is spread generally across the whole body rather than just the head (and to some extent the torso). In fact, your shins often take the most damage, although learning how to check kicks properly is a must and reduces a lot of injury (except for the other guy :2thumbsup )

Lee Gar Balmoral I think is the best or one of the better ones.

SMAC (Southern Martial Arts Centre) was/is also pretty good.

Lollo Heimuli (Lee Gar) is a top class trainer, as is Tojo Dixon.

justsomeguy
4th March 2005, 10:10
Lee Gar Balmoral is the place to be


You can train 4 nights a week.

2 months of training 4 nights a week and you will be one fit son of a gun......

6 months and :ar15:

In a year you'd probably be competition fighting..........and winning some of them:2thumbsup

jrandom
4th March 2005, 10:28
Lee Gar Balmoral...

I just googled the place. Quite an impressive history. Ray Sefo, eh - he used to do some strength training at the same downtown gym I went to. The guy was amazing. I used to just sort of hang out between sets, watching him.

It's tempting, you know. Tempting.

Deano
4th March 2005, 11:49
The guy was amazing. I used to just sort of hang out between sets, watching him.


Watching him push weights or fight training ?

I assure you his fight training would be much more impressive to watch. At the last K1 competition he looked better than I have ever seen him fight before, but unfortunately he was ripped off by the judges who gave the bout to the local guy. With hindsight it appeared the judges wanted a showdown between the reigning K1 champ and the local champ in the final.

It pays to knock the locals out if you can so there is no disputing who won.

Slipstream
4th March 2005, 11:54
He's the scrappiest scrapper I know....

I'd be up for a Welly fight club thingamee .... I'd have to fit it around my chess club, sci fi club, gaming club, maths club, physics club, my economics lectures, my statistics tutorials, my orniothology club and K.A.O.S.... Not to mention my stamp collecting time, dusting my rock collection time, and when I go to my work in the library and help out in the university paper :niceone:

Man I'm cool :cool:

I also forgot to mention, joining a marching band to play the accordian.
That reminds me of a funny story actually, you see, this one time at band camp....

jrandom
4th March 2005, 14:14
Watching him push weights or fight training ?

Push weights, but he seemed to do a lot of specialised Paul Chek-ish type training. High-speed stuff. I couldn't have done what he was doing. Quite an amazing all-around athlete, that guy.

ktulu
4th March 2005, 14:47
I was having a yarn to Ray Clee about this one day and he's got a DRZ 400 that he takes out to the beach early in the morning and canes it around in top gear and drifts it around on the sand and stuff, said it gives all of his riding muscles a good work out and gets his mind really thinking when he is travelling at high speeds and is losing traction and what not. Makes plenty of sense to me... that is if you are an absolute legend and suzuki get you an ex demo DRZ

Deano
4th March 2005, 15:04
. High-speed stuff.

Low weight and high reps. Perfect for toning and building/maintaining lean strong muscle mass. Ideal for his sport.

justsomeguy
5th March 2005, 03:20
Hey MR .... Just join a gym get a proper training program and eat right.

You'll have much better arms in 6 months and noticeably developed arms in a year, you'll be fitter, be able to concentrate/focus longer and actually be happier = remember the healthy body-healthy mind cliche? Well your brain secretes chemicals during and after strenuous exercise, serotonin one of these chemicals lifts your mood giving people a natural positive high.

If you are in a hurry take some steroids. Yes you'll have to sell your bike to pay for them and you do risk dying but they'll give you big arms very quickly.

Riff Raff
5th March 2005, 05:50
Just become an ambulance officer in South Auckland!!! Lifting people who weigh 3 times as much as you is a good way of getting rid of girly arms!

jrandom
5th March 2005, 07:38
take some steroids... you do risk dying

No offense, dude, but don't spout off about stuff you know nothing about.