Multi-compound tyres

[The Stranger]

These multi compound tyres are awesome right. Stick like shit to a blanket and last forever. What more could you ask?

Well I would ask for a little more please.
Went for a wee ride to Taranaki 2up on Saturday on the Fazer.

In the wet the bike was all over the road. Front and rear would frequently break traction and slip and slide. The pillion who is reasonably experienced also commented on how slippery the tyres were.
I must say, that was the slowest trip I have ever done on the Forgotten Highway.

I am running the same multi compound tyre on the rear of the XT also. Again in the wet it is pretty dicey, though I was thinking it must be the bike as the Pirelli's that were on there were just as bad. I don't think so now.

My suspicion is that with the harder rubber in the middle is the issue here.

Having used half a dozen Race Attacks previously on the Fazer I suspect that I am somewhat spoiled, however I don't believe I will be running multi compound tyres again if there is a chance it will still be in service during winter months. It's downright bloody dangerous.

[Gremlin]

urrr.... which tyre...

haven't been happy with the all round performance of the 016, brilliant in the dry tho. Triple compound rear, dual front. Horrible in the wet.

Pirelli Scorpion Syncs, besides being rather expensive, are dual compound and probably the best tyre I have ridden on.

[The Stranger]

urrr.... which tyre...

haven't been happy with the all round performance of the 016, brilliant in the dry tho. Triple compound rear, dual front. Horrible in the wet.



hmm wasn't going to name names lest I was unfairly maligning them, however now that you mention it - pleased I'm not the only one

[howdamnhard]

I've got Michelin Pilot Rd 2 which are dual compound,haven't tried them in earnest in the wet yet, as I ride like a nana when its wet. Hope they are not the multi compound tyres you are talking about.Did a bit of research before getting them and they seemed like a good balance of performance for money for both wet and dry riding.

[yod]

PR2's never failed me in the wet

Sport Attack front let go big time in the pissing rain and hail

[howdamnhard]

PR2's never failed me in the wet

Sport Attack front let go big time in the pissing rain and hail

Thanks Yod , thats reassuring to know.Tyres letting go in hail is understandable as the ice can get between the tyre and road.

[LBD]

urrr.... which tyre...

haven't been happy with the all round performance of the 016, brilliant in the dry tho. Triple compound rear, dual front. Horrible in the wet.
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[QUOTE=The Stranger;1974704]hmm wasn't going to name names lest I was unfairly maligning them, however now that you mention it - pleased I'm not the only one

Oh! and I have a pair of 016 waiting to fit, and I am an all weather rider....:shit:

[CookMySock]

As a newbie rider, I found my battleaxes to be just plain horrible and scary in the wet. Every little corner and they would squidge and shimmy.

Fit Michelin PR2 and all that is out the window! Now I just tell my self "bro, they are michelins - just ride the fucker." Now I ignore the wet completely and just ride with confidence. (I'll stay off the painted bits though..) No more squidge and shimmy. No more little slip-and-slide. No more oops - stand the bike up coz I dont trust the road surface. Just plain track-in-a-straight line like a tyre should do to bloody start with.

So I vote FOR dual compound tyres, but hey these are Michelins.

Steve

[SixPackBack]

I'm using 016's for the first time after several sets of sport attacks. Set my suspension a fair bit softer at the front and the bike has never handled better, wet or dry. I'm sold!

[NZsarge]

PR2's never failed me in the wet

Sport Attack front let go big time in the pissing rain and hail
Yeah, the biggest moment (that did'nt result in a bin) i've ever had came with SportAttack's on the FZ1

As a newbie rider, I found my battleaxes to be just plain horrible and scary in the wet. Every little corner and they would squidge and shimmy.

Fit Michelin PR2 and all that is out the window! Now I just tell my self "bro, they are michelins - just ride the fucker." Now I ignore the wet completely and just ride with confidence. (I'll stay off the painted bits though..) No more squidge and shimmy. No more little slip-and-slide. No more oops - stand the bike up coz I dont trust the road surface. Just plain track-in-a-straight line like a tyre should do to bloody start with.

So I vote FOR dual compound tyres, but hey these are Michelins.

Steve

Agreed, the dual compound Michelin's i've used have done nothing but inspire confidence on wet roads, i'm refering to Pilot Power's though. I've heard nothing too crook about PR2's though.

Interesting comments on the Bridgy 016's, sounds like they may be sensitive to bike set up in slippery conditions. Maybe that's why i've had all my big moments on Conti SportAttack's.

Edit: I don't push my luck at all in the wet.

[Cajun]

have found simlar issues with the PP 2ct, its more in when its damp, dry great, wet okay, just in that damp/moist side of thing don't find it very good.

[The Stranger]

I'm using 016's for the first time after several sets of sport attacks. Set my suspension a fair bit softer at the front and the bike has never handled better, wet or dry. I'm sold!

Hmm, what pressures are you running please?
I was 33 front and 40 rear. Could have gone down a bit, but was 2 up, and with gear so figured that shouldn't have been too bad. Mind you I run 30/30 on the XT and as noted they are no better on that.
Got to admit they do stick bloody well in dry, never gave me a problem on the gravel and were passable on damp surfaces - though I was tentative in the damp. But in rain, where they acutally had to clear water - nah, they sucked arse.

[The Stranger]

Sport Attack front let go big time in the pissing rain and hail

Though what are we talking about here please yod, It let go once or twice or consistently?
Because lets face it that can happen now and then on any tyre right and you can't blame the tyre for that. In my experience, you don't frequently get to ride in the conditions you mention above more than once on a set of tyres - I have more tyres in a year than Auckland has hail storms and odds are I wont be out in all of them anyway.

[SixPackBack]

Hmm, what pressures are you running please?
I was 33 front and 40 rear. Could have gone down a bit, but was 2 up, and with gear so figured that shouldn't have been too bad. Mind you I run 30/30 on the XT and as noted they are no better on that.
Got to admit they do stick bloody well in dry, never gave me a problem on the gravel and were passable on damp surfaces - though I was tentative in the damp. But in rain, where they acutally had to clear water - nah, they sucked arse.

Pressures=36 front, 40 rear. Tyres seem to be such a personal thing. I find the 016's have slight initial movement but then stick well. Interestingly the sport attacks did not seem to flash to me in the wet. Recently the bike has had both front and rear shock absorbers serviced and re set-up with obvious positive effect, and it may be that rather than new tyres that has changed the handling.
Next time it will be either the attacks or the 016's [which ever is the cheaper]. I do not use powers-they suck arse IMHO.

[BOGAR]

I had similar issues but cant remember what dual compound I had on now. I did find that it got better as the tyre wore out more though (or it was just that stretch of road that was particularly troublesome). But yea gave me couple of good slips but nothing bad. Still like them at the mo (EDIT: the dual compound type tyre) and have just put a new set on so I will see how they go.

[yod]

Though what are we talking about here please yod, It let go once or twice or consistently?
Because lets face it that can happen now and then on any tyre right and you can't blame the tyre for that. In my experience, you don't frequently get to ride in the conditions you mention above more than once on a set of tyres - I have more tyres in a year than Auckland has hail storms and odds are I wont be out in all of them anyway.

no, fair call...

I rode all those tyres in good and bad weather and the SA didn't have an issue at any other time (fantastic in the dry).

the hail may well have been the problem and, to be fair, the road surface wasn't top notch either (SH1 between Houhoura and Kaitaia)

[johan]

I've 'heard' that the dual compounds only have the soft compound 1 inch from the outside in of the tyre. So it's a very small section of the tyre that has the sticky stuff?

So in the wet you wouldn't be on this section of the tyre at all I'd guess.

[Max Preload]

PR2's never failed me in the wet

Ditto. Brilliant in rain, hail or shine.

[Morcs]

Road 2's are the way to go.
With a power 2CT front though.

[MSTRS]

Road 2's are the way to go.
With a power 2CT front though.

Many have found that combo to not be so good.

[The Stranger]

no, fair call...

I rode all those tyres in good and bad weather and the SA didn't have an issue at any other time (fantastic in the dry).

the hail may well have been the problem and, to be fair, the road surface wasn't top notch either (SH1 between Houhoura and Kaitaia)

I have been on the Ngatea straights doing steady100kph in howling rain at night and had the back just spin up and start fish tailing, several times. It had been a hot summers day and I assume I was hitting tar bleed.
The tyre that was on at the time was otherwise great and I had no problems at all with it. I wouldn't let a single event like that sway my opinion of that tyre and wouldn't hesitate to run them again.

[Colapop]

PR2's front and rear on the big heavy wallowy (so I've been told) RF. They're a great tyre - wet or dry. I'm onto my second set now after the first pair did over 16,000 k's. The only time I felt they were letting go was towards the end of their life. Yep, I do ride like a nana but I got wear out to the edges well enough.

[Max Preload]

Many have found that combo to not be so good.

I found it a good combo but the front wore out faster than the rear.

[The Pastor]

Shit i thought the forgotten highway pace was good >_<

[Hitcher]

I often amazes me the different experiences riders have in relation to the same tyre.

My most recent case in point is the OEM Dunlop Qualifiers that adorn my Shiver. I'm really enjoying them and, after 5,500km, have yet to have them put a foot wrong, as it were.

However on the Aprilia Forum (another place that KB members who think that this site is over-moderated would be advised to participate in), I have yet to find a Shiver owner who thinks that these are anything more than Pieces of Shit(TM). "Quarry-fillers" one wit over there has named them.

Feedback from the Aprilia Forum also suggests that my Qualifiers should be long worn out by now. I reckon they've got about another 2,000 to 3,000km left in them.

Bikers can be interesting people at times.

[The Stranger]

Shit i thought the forgotten highway pace was good >_<

Ah, no. I still had 2" chicken strips at the pub.
You can relax though, I got rid of them on the way back in the sun.

Was so warm I just about lost my pillion on SH3.
Does anyone else get that falling feeling just as you enter sleep - well apparently Cecile does.

[Maha]

Ah, no. I still had 2" chicken strips at the pub.
You can relax though, I got rid of them on the way back in the sun.

Was so warm I just about lost my pillion on SH3.
Does anyone else get that falling feeling just as you enter sleep - well apparently Cecile does.

You had it on cruise controll 110 eh??

[The Pastor]

ah, no. I still had 2" chicken strips at the pub.
You can relax though, i got rid of them on the way back in the sun.

Was so warm i just about lost my pillion on sh3.
Does anyone else get that falling feeling just as you enter sleep - well apparently cecile does.
i didnt have any chicken strips left :)

come to think of it, ive never had any - other than when r6 did a burnout at the election party and stuffed my tyre up somthing cronik.

[The Stranger]

You had it on cruise controll 110 eh??

Well Maha, I have this theory.
The number of cops per km is inversley proportionate to the SH number.

[Gremlin]

I've 'heard' that the dual compounds only have the soft compound 1 inch from the outside in of the tyre. So it's a very small section of the tyre that has the sticky stuff?
Completely depends from tyre to tyre, manufacturer to manufacturer. The early 2ct model was prone to that from memory, but I never ran them. Other models have wider strips.

Stranger, I did 16,000km on two sets of Scorpion Syncs, all weather, from melted tar to pissing with rain in the middle of the night. They pretty much stuck like glue, a few times I wondered what would ever get them to break loose, but very difficult on the road (was a supermoto though, so not as demanding as a thou for instance).

016, fitted them as an experiment, they seemed to be a hypersport tyre but good all round performance. pffft, someone was drunk. Edges are incredibly soft, had them blistering and peeling very easily, so would be great in the dry. However... puttering into a corner in the hikuais heading to Paeroa the saturday prior to the event (raining quite a lot), I lowsided. Unless there was diesel or something, I can't believe they let go so quickly with so little being demanded from them (and had plenty of other little slides in the damp as well). Can't say that with syncs I wouldn't have binned, but with 16,000km and no issues, you have to wonder.

PR2: I've had them fail once quite badly on me once, when the rear spun up, got into a tankslapper, front aquaplaned, and I and bike separated for the next 100m down the road... :no: Otherwise, probably at least 15,000km on those, takes quite a lot to get them letting go (ohlins on the rear tho).

SportAttack were ok, never sent me down the road, but wet weather performance was ok... you certainly knew it was a sport tyre, as it was great in the dry, little dodgy in the wet.

Strada and Z6, also spent time on them, dual compound again... not bad, but PR2 better.

Its not so much dual/multi compound being bad, more specific tyres, and their own performance.

Anyone want a set of barely used (<1000km) 016? One set available shortly...

[Ocean1]

I often amazes me the different experiences riders have in relation to the same tyre.

I think to a large degree it's one of those things one's sub-conscious decides, and rationalises after the fact. Confidence is such a large part of riding performance, a couple of bad experiences prey on the mind, with a coresponding negative reinforcing effect on one's performance. We blame the tyre, replacing it with something "better". And lo, a couple of weeks without incident on the new wonder rubber proves reassuring, restoring confidence, and therefore performance.

[discotex]

016, fitted them as an experiment, they seemed to be a hypersport tyre but good all round performance. pffft, someone was drunk.

I found the 016 a great track/road/commute all-rounder. Certainly much better than the 015's they replaced in every respect.

Whether the term all-rounder extends to superb wet performance I don't know... I haven't had any moments on them in the wet even when riding reasonably quick. I do keep in mind the edges are basically slicks though.

Might be a tyre pressure thing? I'm surprised they dropped you if you weren't pushing it.

Going to give the M3's a try next I think just for a laugh. I like the idea of their rumored quick warm up for autumn/winter trackdays.

[pritch]

I'm currently running Diablo Rosso - more tyre than I need, but it was an itch I wanted to scratch. And there was another track day I was going to do but...

The wet weather performance of these was a concern as some manufacturers put their best wet road magic into their ST tyres. In the past three weeks or so I have been out in some torrential downpours and the Rossos never gave a nanoseconds concern. In most instances I was touring at the time so was being *very* conservative, but I was impressed all the same.

[Devil]

I'll be sticking with the 016's. Had to drop the pressures a little though because of the light bike. They've got a pretty stiff carcass so have to work a little to warm them up. They are a hypersport tyre and dont particularly like being cold!

Getting fantastic wear and grip out of them.

[Devil]

Edges are incredibly soft, had them blistering and peeling very easily, so would be great in the dry.

Pressures and suspension setup :P
Mine look fresh as. Thats after 5000km too!

...and you did WHAT on the way to Paeroa???

[TOTO]

I'm running Michelin Pilot Power 2ct (dual compound) and am really happy with them in the wet. give good milage too.

[discotex]

Pressures and suspension setup :P
Mine look fresh as. Thats after 5000km too!


I think I've done 8500km on my BT-016's and probably have 1000km left before they square off too much due to commuting 40km weekdays. That's with two track days and ~5000km of open road.

You don't want too hard suspension with them or too high pressures - I run 34f/36r on the road and 30f/32r (cold after 1.5hr cool down between sessions) on the track. No idea for hot temps because I can't be arsed burning my hands on the front discs :rolleyes:

[AllanB]

I've 'heard' that the dual compounds only have the soft compound 1 inch from the outside in of the tyre. So it's a very small section of the tyre that has the sticky stuff?

So in the wet you wouldn't be on this section of the tyre at all I'd guess.


PR2's have more sticky than this - after a heavy fang you can actually see the change area - the centres are smooth and the softer rubber gets a bit ruffed up.

Below shows the compounds. Note the fronts are stickier than the rears :2thumbsup

[discotex]

Belos shows the compounds. Note the fronts are stickier than the rears :2thumbsup

Ditto for the BT-016 (has 3 compounds on the rear)

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