Gassing up and paying with helmet on?

[saltydog]

We have a BP here in Whakatane, yep just one. More recently I have been having issues with paying for my gas. There's this old fella in there thats a stickler for protocal and every time a coconut he insists I take my helmet off to pay for my gas, even when it is cash. I've had a gutsful of him.
When I try to tell him to let up he nuts off at me and wants to call the cops. He sees me every 2 or three days, my bike has a very easily remembered personalised plate, I dont have (many) tatoos or a long ZZ-top beard and up until recently I have been a polite biker.
Is it just BP that has this helmet policy like the banks or are any other KB'ers out there getting hassled in a similar way at different service stations?
The last thing you want to do is take your bloody helmet off just to give some geezer a $20 buck note ay?! If I was going to do a runner why would I even bother about coming inside the store? What? Counterfit bank notes I hear you say?
Is this happening to others out there?

[spookytooth]

If he won't take your cash with your lid on,just thank him very much for the free gas

[Devil]

I always take my helmet off. It's just polite.
Same as not wearing a hat inside, or taking sunglasses off when you're speaking to someone.

Other stations have that policy and I dont really blame them.

[jim.cox]

Is this happening to others out there?

The signs are there on almost all, it not all, petrol stations

But I dont normally bother to ditch my lid

And I have never had anyone go off at me, or refuse payment, service etc

Maybe its a Norff Island thing...

[Finn]

If you're filling up every 2 - 3 days on an R1, then I assume you're doinf a bit of traveling. If that's the case, fill up out of town whenever you can.

[3umph]

I always take my helmet off. It's just polite.
Same as not wearing a hat inside, or taking sunglasses off when you're speaking to someone.

Other stations have that policy and I dont really blame them.

yip agree... I always remove my lid when filling up as its just polite to remove your helmet...

[Kflasher]

Is this happening to others out there?

Yip at Shell on 15th Ave TGA; have been filling up there for almost 2yrs now.
Always parking in same direction so plat is facing attendant, and like you it is personalised plate, until recently when I had filled up walked inside as per the norm and the attendant stood back and refused to serve me until the helmet was removed.
What was confusing was she has been my regular attendant ever since I can remember.
I have now since changed to Shell on Camron road and have no issues... go figure.

[saltydog]

I always take my helmet off. It's just polite.
Same as not wearing a hat inside, or taking sunglasses off when you're speaking to someone.

I hear you, but this guy knows me and the bike, its a small town. Its not as if the iridium visor is closed shut or something. Perhaps the old fella has the memory of a goldfish or has a thing against bikers??
Does Shell also have the same policy? I've never been asked to take off my helmet in there.

[slofox]

I always go to the local Gull station. Totally unmanned. Self service with eftpos only. Nobody can tell me anything...so I don't ever have to tell them to fuck off...

[idb]

Threaten to start talking on your cellphone on the forecourt and send you both to hell!!!

[nivram]

I'd just remove the helmet, it's not worth the hassle.

[MaxCannon]

Every time I see a bike cop at a servo they go inside wearing their helmets.

Flip up they might be but they still hide a lot of their face.

[idb]

I must admit I can't understand this policy.
Are they going to refuse to take your money?

[saltydog]

I'd just remove the helmet, it's not worth the hassle.

Na fuck the old codger (I'm over 40 as well). Easier to go to Shell or Gull.
The only thing I did like about the place was the 98 octane anyway.
They (BP) are the biggest money hungry bunch of corporate wankers that come up with the lamest excuses to put the price of their petrol up before anyone else!

[saltydog]

I must admit I can't understand this policy.
Are they going to refuse to take your money?

He refused to take my $20 bill siting on the counter infront of him unless I took my helmet off. Go figure.

[Slyer]

I only take mine off it's late, single attendant etc..

[ckai]

maybe you need to go in with your hands in the air, wallet in one and money/card in the other. :2guns: haha

But shit, if someone refuses to take your money once you're in there, do what Spooky says and thank them for the free gas.

I can see their point with getting robbed. A bit stupid if they know you though. I never take my lid off unless I'm staying a bit or whatever. No probs here and I've done it at shells and BP's in a few cities.

You could always throw the cash in the Nightpay window if they tell you to take you're lid off inside.

[idb]

Maybe if the companies are really worried about this they should go back to the good old days of actually having service at these so-called service stations.
You know, having someone on the forecourt so that no-one has to go inside.

[Fub@r]

No problems here.

I go to a Caltex Station on Triangle Road, Massey. The 3 petrol stations in my suburb are all on prepay 24/7. The Caltex has gotten to know me and my bike (hard to miss its bright yellow) :).

I pull in and regardless who's on they unlock the pump for me, and when I go to pay I usually leave my helmet on and have never been asked to remove it. Any other station I go to its helmet off and then have to ask them to unlock the pump so I can fill up.

[The Lone Rider]

It's protocol for all petrol stations, regardless of if they inforce it or not. It is required to allow for your face to be seen when you pay in case of robbery or drive offs and with a helmet on cameras can't see you.

Just like how some petrol stations will tell you not to stand over your bike when you fill out, and some don't. Even though they all have the rule not to.

[BiK3RChiK]

Nah, he's a grumpy old cunt! I had a stand up row with him in my 4x4 once. I won't let him fill any of my vehicles now. He's rude and they should get rid of him.

[ManDownUnder]

My heart bleeds for you.

Shop somewhere else or get polite. Your call

[BiK3RChiK]

I hear you, but this guy knows me and the bike, its a small town. Its not as if the iridium visor is closed shut or something. Perhaps the old fella has the memory of a goldfish or has a thing against bikers??
Does Shell also have the same policy? I've never been asked to take off my helmet in there.

I don't think he has anything against bikes, because when I fill up in there, he can be chatty as, but get him on a bad day and all hell breaks loose! Even without a helmet on.. The guys a nutcase!

BTW, saltydog, we fill at our local Shell out in Edgecumbe most of the time, and I never take my helmet off! They all know us out here and I've never had an issue...

[Hitcher]

Is this happening to others out there?

At a guess, only to the inconsiderate Prize Pricks(TM) who are incapable of following instructions and remembering these from previous encounters.

At another guess, these are probably representative of the same group of dickheads who sit astride their motorcycles whilst pouring fuel into it.

[Maha]

Give someone a little bit of power and look what happens...Anarchy!!!!

[Oakie]

I have three stations that I use. Two of them are semi regular and one is an occassional stop. I don't take my helmet off for any and have never had any grief although I always make sure I have my wallet out before I go in to pay.

I guess if someone demanded you take your helmet off you could try the following:

Biker "Why do you want me to take my helmet off?"
Attendant "So I can identify you if you rob me"
Biker "If I was going to rob you, do you not think I would have done it by now?"
alternatively...
Biker "I'm holding my eftpos card ... not a knife".

Thinking about it though ... I guess you could go in and appear to be wanting to pay until the cash register is open and then rob the place. Perhaps that's why they get so uppity even if you do have cash in your hand.

I'm interested to know where the law sits on this though if you get the situation where an attendant demands the removal of helmet and the biker just stands there, lid on, holding out the cash or eftpos card and refuses to move. You may even find that The Contracts Act could be invoked where you have poured gas thus making a contract with them for the sale and then they are not honouring the contract by refusing your payment?

[Blackshear]

I get off my bike.. Open the cap, select fill, and grab the 95/98 nozzle, and pour whilst standing. I then proceed up to the cashier, helmet and all 'Here's for pump #, cheers' And usually get a thanks/have a good day/good seeing you again reply. Helps with the cashier being a female I used to work with elsewhere :whistle:
But seriously, never had this problem. Once I have been asked to pay first, but I said 'Numpty, i'm filling up. How the ^*%@ can I guess exactly how much will go in?' He apologised, and so did I. Life carried on as susual.

[short-circuit]

I will abide by laws (for the most part) and common sense but not other people's stupid conventions. If people choose to be offended by the non-removal of hats/helmets then fuckem. They ain't paid to exchange niceties, all they need to do is take the money (that the said helmet wearing customer is handing to them over the counter) and issue the receipt.

[idb]

At a guess, only to the inconsiderate Prize Pricks(TM) who are incapable of following instructions and remembering these from previous encounters.

At another guess, these are probably representative of the same group of dickheads who sit astride their motorcycles whilst pouring fuel into it.

That's a lot of assumptions...I wouldn't serve you.

[idb]

If a service station is such a dangerous place to be, I'm going to walk in there with all the protection I can!

What if I had taken my helmet off and someone walks in behind me with a baseball bat intent on robbing the place and there I am, because of some barely employable drongo enforcing 'the rules' I'm standing there without any safety gear on...what would OSH say?

Why not reverse the rule and make it so that the staff have to wear helmets...then we're all on an even footing and the employer is seen to be taking all practicable steps to eliminate, minimise or isolate potential harm.

[gijoe1313]

Only came across this once before, Caltex Morrinsville in the middle of the night "Sir, can you please remove your helmet?" Sure. No prob. Did that and I had my balaclava on underneath! :lol:

She didn't ask me to remove it either! :scratch: Ah well, no probs from me - if'n I need the gas, I need the gas! :yes:

I usually never have a prob ... I guess the red camo ninja look just screams Obvious! :innocent:

That's what I used to have a flip face for heh ... with the balaclava still on underneath!

[sunhuntin]

I only take mine off it's late, single attendant etc..

ditto. took mine off for the first time in 2 years after filling up today as it was before 7am, and i could only see one person inside. however, by the time i got there, another had appeared. ive never been told to remove my lid, and theyd be told quite nicely to shove it if they did. course, having an open face lid might make a difference.

i worked at bp for just over 2 years, and never once requested either removal of lid or that a rider stands next to the bike as opposed to straddle. i was more interested in car drivers who thought that lighting a smoke on the forecourt was a good idea. much prefer to pick my battles, and, from my view, a customer wearing a helmet isnt likely to be dangerous. however, it did get a bit sad when i recognise my old customers from helmets and bikes and not faces, lmfao.

[tigertim20]

We have a BP here in Whakatane, yep just one. More recently I have been having issues with paying for my gas. There's this old fella in there thats a stickler for protocal and every time a coconut he insists I take my helmet off to pay for my gas, even when it is cash. I've had a gutsful of him.
When I try to tell him to let up he nuts off at me and wants to call the cops. He sees me every 2 or three days, my bike has a very easily remembered personalised plate, I dont have (many) tatoos or a long ZZ-top beard and up until recently I have been a polite biker.
Is it just BP that has this helmet policy like the banks or are any other KB'ers out there getting hassled in a similar way at different service stations?
The last thing you want to do is take your bloody helmet off just to give some geezer a $20 buck note ay?! If I was going to do a runner why would I even bother about coming inside the store? What? Counterfit bank notes I hear you say?
Is this happening to others out there?


Hasnt happened to me yet, I sometimes keep the lid on if Im in a hurry.

Id say fuck him, if you are there 2-3 time a week youre paying his bloody wages for how many years now? Just top up with a precise amount, make sure you have the exact cash on you and throw it on the counter and walk out. with your helmet on.
It one thing if you're passing through a town, but when you go there all the time and he knows damn well who you are, well hes just being a wanker. he knows you. he knows the bike. The point of taking the helmet off is ONLY to capture a facial image on cameras in case of theft, he clearly knows you.

This whole oh its manners thing is bullshit. Fuck I remember when you go to a servo, and theres a guy waiting there asks you how much you want, theyd fill ya up, check your oil if you wanted etc, now you have to do it all yourself. why? cos a) theyre fuckin lazy and b) the time they spend SERVING YOU (and being freindly and helpful eg MANNERS) could better be spent vleaning or doing stock.
I say screw him, hes clearly just being a prick. Does he run outside and make people turn their cellphones off when they pull into the station? I doubt it. There a signs saying you should do that all over the place too.

Or write a polite letter to management about how long youve been going there etc etc and see what happens.

[Waxxa]

I have a flip-face helmet and have never had to remove it at a gas station.

Was asked to remove it at a post shop though...

[CookMySock]

Is this happening to others out there?Not for me. I fill up at our local, and half the time I take my helmet off - mainly because I am worried about giving someone a fright there. I'll leave it on when they are not busy, or if I recognise the person behind he counter, and they are all happy with it, but they know me and my bikes, and I am always really good to them (and I spend 15k a year with them) so I have no problems.

I know which old coot you are talking about though. Next time you see him, tell him to get fucked, for me will ya? ta. It's time he gave up working and went an rotted under a log somewhere.

Steve

[Bend-it]

I only take mine off it's late, single attendant etc..

You only take yours off if it's night time and the attendant's single? :rofl:

[Max Preload]

Silly old coot.

Get hold of a burka to wear under your helmet and walk in with your visor shut. When he tells you to remove your helmet, oblige his request. :bleh:

If they had EFTPOS at the pump then the problem would be solved. Mobil used to have it but they never had it working because they wanted you to go inside and impulse buy. I guess that works on stupid people. :confused:

[Drogen Omen]

I have the same issue at the Mobil Silverstream... the young scruffy geek with the glasses wont let me pay without taking my helmet off.

It's realy fucking me off especialy the last coulpe days that it has been raining.

[Mystic13]

Plan B

I'd go for the polite call through to the company, polite. And let them know the situation, politely, and seek to have them talk with the guy.

Plan A

I'd have a nice discussion with the guy and see if I could get him to accept me leaving the helmet on because I'm in their so often and it's actually quite a drama to remove.

Plan C

Come in on a rainy day. Go to the counter to pay. Remove your wet gloves and put them on the counter. Remove said helmet and drop the dripping thing on the counter. Then remove at least one ear plug to hear him okay. Then pay. Then stand at the counter while you reverse the process. If any customers have an issue apologise and say you're in there twice a week and this guy knows you and your bike well he just insists that you remove your helmet before he takes the money.

I never remove my helmet unless I'm wanting to use my mouth for anything other than talking (coffee, food, and kisses (pillion) spring to mind). Unless I forgot to stick me ear plugs in.

Plan D - like someone else said only buy the exact minimal gas and go elsewhere.

Plan E - post it on KB and ask every biker you know to stop in and buy 5 bucks of gas. And have them follow plan C (rain optional).

You may find a well reasoned call to the fuel company fixes it, if you can't sort it with him.

[xwhatsit]

Ever forgot and walked into a bank with your helmet on?

I won't do that again.

[BiK3RChiK]

This guy is real 'speshul!' though... Been there for years, has a bad day and takes it out on everyone who comes near the place! Hmmm... time for a word to his boss methinks... Actually, his boss owns the Shell out our way too, where none of the local bikies take their helmets off!

[Griffin]

This is one of the reasons I got a Flipface (Shoei Multitech), cos I hate the idea of having to take my helmet off for a 2 minute transaction.

As far as I know, if you go into a place you have received a service from, and for whatever reason... they refuse to accept your payment, you are free to walk out and leave. You havent intentionally stolen the goods or services, you had every intention of paying and even offered to - they refused your cash or offer of payment.

It will be recorded on camera that you went into the shop and held out money or a card in offer of payment for the transaction to be completed so they cant claim you stole it. The attendant obviously wants you to have it on the company... nice guy in my books.

[awayatc]

The signs are there on almost all, it not all, petrol stations

But I dont normally bother to ditch my lid

And I have never had anyone go off at me, or refuse payment, service etc

Maybe its a Norff Island thing...

It seems to be.....
had first time ever somebody in wanganui telling me not to sit on my bike......(only way to fill it...)
And i had my helmet etc off....

Also a fair few prepay only stations up "Norf"
Hope it never catches on down Souf....

[Oakie]

Plan E - post it on KB and ask every biker you know to stop in and buy 5 bucks of gas. And have them follow plan C (rain optional).

... all at the same time. Imagine 20 bikers doing that one after another. Do it in large enough numbers and the servo would start losing revenue ... and that is something they do take notice of.

You could even have a bunch of bikers monopolising all the pumps (well perhaps not diesel) and filling up their bikes ... but $5 at a time ... so when when they have paid they go to the back of the queue and do it again. You could play that game for hours. Cagers would see the pumps all being used and go elsewhere ... servo takes a hit in the pocket blah blah blah.

[Slyer]

How about you take your helmet off when they ask you to? It's their business, they can refuse service to you if they like.
When you are in their building you follow their rules.

Go somewhere else.

[Starky307]

How about you take your helmet off when they ask you to? It's their business, they can refuse service to you if they like.
When you are in their building you follow their rules.

Go somewhere else.

+1

And if you haven't seen this before I'll post it again.


The reason I remove my helmet is out of respect, I would never walk into a store of any kind wearing a helmet. To me it is like the punks that wear their hoodies and hats covering their faces, it is a form of intimidation. By hiding your face you give the impression you have something to hide whether you do or not. Look at it from an outside point of view, there is no difference with covering your face using a bandana in a threatening way to hide your identity.

These are my opinions and the reasons I remove my helmet before entering a store, or I use a fully self serve station such as I mention at the start of this thread.

I really can't understand the issue with removing your helmet and gloves.

[Beemer]

How about you take your helmet off when they ask you to? It's their business, they can refuse service to you if they like.
When you are in their building you follow their rules.

Go somewhere else.

I have to agree with Slyer. Many businesses have rules and whether you like them or not, if you want to shop there, you have to abide by them. I bet you all (with the exception of the poster who forgot!) take your helmets off when you go into a bank or any other shop, so why should you be excused merely because you are shopping at a petrol station?

Most of the places in Levin or Palmerston North have served me with my helmet on, but if one ever asked me to remove it, I would and I wouldn't think "fuck you arsehole" as most of you seem to be inclined to do.

They do have this rule for a reason as there is an increasing number of fuel thefts. Sure, as you explain, you are in the shop ready to pay, but for all they know, you could be about to rob them. I lived in Whakatane for years and while I agree it isn't exactly a huge place, don't be flattered into thinking the guy remembers or knows you. My other half works in a retail outlet and EVERYONE remembers his face but he doesn't know them from a bar of soap because he's too busy serving them to notice their faces.

We ask people to take their shoes off when they come into our home and to not smoke - and tough luck if you don't like THAT!

[Vern]

How about you take your helmet off when they ask you to? It's their business, they can refuse service to you if they like.
When you are in their building you follow their rules.

Go somewhere else.

Hi I don't call it service as you have to do it all and then they only have to take the money off you. Vern.:confused:

[Beemer]

Hi I don't call it service as you have to do it all and then they only have to take the money off you. Vern.:confused:

He is using the word service in the sense of they can refuse to serve you. Hardly any places offer true service nowadays - they just take your money. But if you want their products, you have to play by their rules or go elsewhere.

[Squiggles]

Fill to $20, leave the note on the counter and walk out

[Hoon]

Yep, why it is that some people believe they are special and deserve preferential treatment??

The no helmet rule is pretty simple and there for obvious reasons.

So what if you visit the place often? That by no way means you are incapable of robbing the place.

So what if you fill up 2-3 times a week? That roughly equates to a full car tank so you are no more special than any customer.

So what if the attendant recognizes you and your bike? That doesn't mean you're best mates, nor does it mean that the attendant should forgo policy, take shortcuts and not do his job properly because of some imaginary "relationship" you believe the two of you have.

You are not special, you are not a valued customer, you are not his best mate, you could just be another 2c pee addict ready to snap for all the attendant knows and like it or not, everyone that walks through that door is a potential robber.

[Max Preload]

I bet you all (with the exception of the poster who forgot!) take your helmets off when you go into a bank or any other shop, so why should you be excused merely because you are shopping at a petrol station?

I do, but the distinct difference is in most other shops you need to converse with the shop assistant. I don't need to converse with anyone at a petrol station beyond asking for a receipt - all I'm doing is handing my money over and getting my receipt.

[Oakie]

How about you take your helmet off when they ask you to? It's their business, they can refuse service to you if they like.
When you are in their building you follow their rules.

Could, say, a Japanese restaurant refuse to serve a person who didn't take their shoes off if they had a sign on the wall saying that guests must remove their shoes? I dunno. Same argument though.

[Badjelly]

Several years ago, when I walked into a diary, I was surprised by the look of sheer terror on the face of the woman behind the counter. Then I realised I'd left my helmet on and she thought (I suppose) that I was coming in to rob the place. So I took the helmet off and apologised. Since then, I've always taken my helmet off in dairies, service stations, etc. The only exception is a dairy that I visit frequently, where I specifically asked if it was OK to keep the helmet on.

I reckon it's simple politeness to take the helmet off unless the person behind the counter has said it's OK to keep it on.

[Slyer]

Could, say, a Japanese restaurant refuse to serve a person who didn't take their shoes off if they had a sign on the wall saying that guests must remove their shoes? I dunno. Same argument though.
Yep, same as dress code for getting into clubs. Their rules.

[Max Preload]

And country code for buying kebabs in Invercargill... :shutup:

[RC1]

dont go inside then and pay through the night window then there shouldnt be an issue of you bein inside with your helmet on :Pokey:

[Mikkel]

Politeness is all well and good - however removing your helmet has nothing to do with neither politeness nor respect.

I'd be polite until the second they insist that I take off my helmet. I've been asked once or twice, maximum, to remove my helmet. My answer has always been "no" to begin with and "get fucked here's the eftpos card" if they become insistent. And I won't come back in the future, not on my bikes and not in the gas guzzling thing that is the car.

Anyone who isn't a complete idiot can figure out that no one is going to hold up a service station with an eftpos card - whether he's looking like the black power-ranger or not. If you move in a non-threatening way and say "gidday, how are ya" upon entering, queue politely (helmet or not - a motorcyclist who's queueing politely is going out of his way to make you relax) and have your eftpos card ready you're only going to freak out the paranoid people... and there's no not freaking out that bunch.

It's not about politeness, respect or fear - it's about petty people wanting to feel important by being able to boss others around and we all have the obligation to tell them in no uncertain terms to get fucked.

[Beemer]

I do, but the distinct difference is in most other shops you need to converse with the shop assistant. I don't need to converse with anyone at a petrol station beyond asking for a receipt - all I'm doing is handing my money over and getting my receipt.

And I bet the assistant LOVES your attitude! So no "please" or "thank you" at all? And if you are asking for a receipt, then what's wrong with taking your helmet off?

As for Mikkel's post, that kind of attitude it what gives motorcyclists a bad name. How the hell do they know it's YOUR eftpos card you're holding as you enter with your helmet on? Would you be as rude and obnoxious if it were the owner of the service station asking you to remove your helmet before going in or is your attitude reserved for the poor plebs who get minimum wage and are expected to put up with this kind of shit and smile? They don't make the rules but they are the ones who have to deal with the fall out if they don't follow them.

As Hoon says, you are NOT a valued customer - any more than you are a valued customer of the liquor store where you buy your grog or the supermarket where you buy your groceries. You are A customer, that's all, and if you don't like their rules, then it's up to YOU to fuck off, not them!

[short-circuit]

pee addict

Imagine being addicted to "pee"

[Beemer]

Imagine being addicted to "pee"

Now you're just taking the piss...

[CookMySock]

Several years ago, when I walked into a diary, I was surprised by the look of sheer terror on the face of the woman behind the counter. Haha, I'm surprised she didn't swing her shotgun over the counter at you.


As for Mikkel's post, that kind of attitude it what gives motorcyclists a bad name. How the hell do they know it's YOUR eftpos card you're holding as you enter with your helmet on? Would you be as rude and obnoxious if it were the owner of the service station asking you to remove your helmet before going in or is your attitude reserved for the poor plebs who get minimum wage and are expected to put up with this kind of shit and smile? They don't make the rules but they are the ones who have to deal with the fall out if they don't follow them.

As Hoon says, you are NOT a valued customer - any more than you are a valued customer of the liquor store where you buy your grog or the supermarket where you buy your groceries. You are A customer, that's all, and if you don't like their rules, then it's up to YOU to fuck off, not them!Well, I can't figure out what to snip out of that post, so I'll include the lot.

I am very, VERY careful leaving my fullface helmet on. And I would not remotely consider leaving a tinted visor down - that is going to get you clouted with a 4x2. Clout first, ask questions later.

However, referring to the original posting, you have to meet this particular attendant in person to see just what sort of dickhead he is. My wife and I are having a quiet chuckle how this idiots' rudeness has come back to bite him on an internet forum - as it does. I filled my boat there some years ago, only to have him saunter over - I asked him to take care of it, and he responds "I don't do boats" and quietly saunter off.. :pinch: Riiiite.

Fuck him, I say. He's an angry old cunt who likes to be abusive whenever he thinks he is right.

Steve

[DarkLord]

Depends. If it's a warm day and I'm perhaps getting something else, then sure. If it's freezing cold and I am all wrapped up in my ninja mask thingie, helmet, scarf and earplugs, then forget it. It's not worth the effort. Besides no one has complained at me yet.

[munster]

Mmmm. What I'm getting out of this thread is that the 'Stig' wouldn't get served in NZ.

[tigertim20]

A few of you guys have made a comparison to banks and supermarkets etc, and there are a couple of imprtant differences in each case, firstly, a Petrol station is a matter of seconds of your, in regards of how long you spend in your shop, Not really worth taking your helmet off, however a supermarket and a bank require quite a lot longer time-wise.

and MORE IMPORTANTLY in this case, the poster uses the petrol station far more frequently than either a bank or a supermarket, and the fact here is that as soon as he pulls up to the place, the guy knows EXACTLY who he is, thus invalidating the need to remove the helmet and see him. He is just being a pedantic shit head. I say just put exact amounts in, then put the money on the counter, and walk out. Pretend like he aint even there. That will fuck him off even more

[Alunks]

if its regular pit stops, i don't see why you can't take your helmet off. if it was a long touring trip where you have face mask, neck supporter and every thing zipped, thats different or you can always point the finger at them and move on to the next gas station? personally i would slash his tires or give him a good beating. your choice

[Beemer]

However, referring to the original posting, you have to meet this particular attendant in person to see just what sort of dickhead he is. My wife and I are having a quiet chuckle how this idiots' rudeness has come back to bite him on an internet forum - as it does. I filled my boat there some years ago, only to have him saunter over - I asked him to take care of it, and he responds "I don't do boats" and quietly saunter off.. :pinch: Riiiite.

Fuck him, I say. He's an angry old cunt who likes to be abusive whenever he thinks he is right.

Steve

That's an entirely different matter - if he is rude and obnoxious, complain about him. If he's just enforcing the rules about helmets then put up with it or go elsewhere.

One thing puzzles me though, I had no idea my brother had quit his job and gone to work in the local service station - this sounds JUST like him!

[Slyer]

A few of you guys have made a comparison to banks and supermarkets etc, and there are a couple of imprtant differences in each case, firstly, a Petrol station is a matter of seconds of your, in regards of how long you spend in your shop, Not really worth taking your helmet off, however a supermarket and a bank require quite a lot longer time-wise.
Yep, but these are all arguments that are up to the petrol station to consider.

[Beemer]

A few of you guys have made a comparison to banks and supermarkets etc, and there are a couple of imprtant differences in each case, firstly, a Petrol station is a matter of seconds of your, in regards of how long you spend in your shop, Not really worth taking your helmet off, however a supermarket and a bank require quite a lot longer time-wise.

and MORE IMPORTANTLY in this case, the poster uses the petrol station far more frequently than either a bank or a supermarket, and the fact here is that as soon as he pulls up to the place, the guy knows EXACTLY who he is, thus invalidating the need to remove the helmet and see him. He is just being a pedantic shit head. I say just put exact amounts in, then put the money on the counter, and walk out. Pretend like he aint even there. That will fuck him off even more

No difference at all! Just because you are there for a shorter time doesn't mean the same rules don't apply! It's like saying if you steal $1 from a bank it doesn't compare with stealing millions! And I'd love to know which station you fill at that you are only there for seconds - all the ones I've been to take ages.

The service station probably serves hundreds, if not thousands, of customers every day. A guy filling his bike two or three times a week is not a big deal - I bet the local cops or sales reps fill up more often. Try filling up, putting money on the counter and walking out, while wearing a helmet, and see how long it takes for this 'pedantic shit' to complain to the cops and have you barred - which is a very likely outcome.

[dipshit]

Nope, I never walk into a dairy, bank, or any other shop with a helmet on either. Plus you look like a retard standing in a shop queue with a (full-face) helmet on.

Surprising to see so many lazy as fu*k motorcyclists that think they are too special to bother though.

Or maybe not surprising really.

[Max Preload]

And I bet the assistant LOVES your attitude! So no "please" or "thank you" at all? And if you are asking for a receipt, then what's wrong with taking your helmet off?

I'm there to pay for my petrol, not make friends. All I need to say is "Pump number 5 and can I have a receipt please." Then "Thanks".

If asking for a receipt, where's the need to remove your helmet? If you remove your helmet, they assume you can hear them and I'm not removing my earplugs too.

[Ixion]

Well, I almost always take my helmet off , as I walk through the door (leave it on while filling). Dunno why though, I just do. Feels strange and not very 'nice' dealing with someone wearing it. Open face might be another matter.

I do object to those who (a) demand I remove while I'm actually doing the filling - I don't have enough hands to hang on to it; or (b) bitch and moan because I've taken the first couple of steps inside while I'm undoing the clip and obviously removing it. Piss off . Had both of those.

[dipshit]

if it was a long touring trip where you have face mask, neck supporter and every thing zipped, thats different

If you're on a long trip - it's usually good to get your helmet off and have some water/drink and a snack break regularly. Stopping for petrol is a good time for that. Not to mention giving your visor a wash.

[Stormer]

My helmet stays on at the GSXR`s local, Shell Chapel St, Masterton.
No problems and no signs that I`ve seen saying otherwise.
Mind you, this is during daytime...night time, especially at weekends around that area, can get real dodgy and things might change.

[tigertim20]

No difference at all! Just because you are there for a shorter time doesn't mean the same rules don't apply! It's like saying if you steal $1 from a bank it doesn't compare with stealing millions! And I'd love to know which station you fill at that you are only there for seconds - all the ones I've been to take ages.

The service station probably serves hundreds, if not thousands, of customers every day. A guy filling his bike two or three times a week is not a big deal - I bet the local cops or sales reps fill up more often. Try filling up, putting money on the counter and walking out, while wearing a helmet, and see how long it takes for this 'pedantic shit' to complain to the cops and have you barred - which is a very likely outcome.

I disgree mate, I worked at a petrol station for two years, only doing 1 or 2 days a week, and I STILL knew almost every regular, many of them by first name, you get to know the people, and theres no reason to ask someone THAT YOU KNOW to show their face, and thats the point really, otherwise you're just being a pedantic cock. I never asked people to take their helmet off, and there were PLENTY of bikers coming through there. hell if theyve filled up, walked into my shop and are holding their wallet, I dont give a fuck. are you going to tell me that Muslim women should be forced to take their Burka off when coming into the shop? no. a petrol station is "heres the money, Im outta here" there is no need to have to take the helmet off.
and shit if it was that important theyd make you take off a cap if you were wearing one, cos thats still going to obscure your face, how many people have you ever seen be asked to/willingly take off a hat when buying petrol? answer= fuckall.
All IM saying is that if its your regular, and you both know, that you both know who each other is, then there isnt any point, its just friggin annoying to take the helmet off.
On a long trip and going to a station you DONT use regularly is a different story, because THERE the people have no idea who you are. You dont need to take a helmet off to be polite.

[CookMySock]

One thing puzzles me though, I had no idea my brother had quit his job and gone to work in the local service station - this sounds JUST like him!LOL, shall I give him some shit for you?


A guy filling his bike two or three times a week is not a big dealheh, it is when its the only little village service station, and ALL the blokes there fill their three bikes every week, and their boats, and both their cars, and their two work vehicles every day, and their lawn mower cans, pocket bike fuel tins.... and a pie.


night time, especially at weekends around that area, can get real dodgy and things might change.If I feel unsafe, there is no fucking way I'll take my helmet off. They will be doing night pay under those circumstances anyway.

;)
Steve

[NighthawkNZ]

Have a flip lid helmet never had a problem... :scratch:

[Starky307]

All those that think wearing your helmets into a servo is acceptable, you need to pull your heads out of your arses, or in this case pull them out of your helmets.

Why not ust comply with the request of the person working the station and remove your helmet? It is a form of curtosity that appears to have been left back in the "golden" years. Now i wasn't around in those days but i find it very disrespectiful to "hide" behind a helmet, it doesn't matter if the visor is up or not. Look at this from their point of view for a change and take your "I'm a big tough biker" blinkers off.

This shit shits me.

It is all part of being a decent human being and showing respect to other wishes. He asked you to remove it, so remove it.

To the people that are, don't lynch the petrol station attendant as we have not heard his side of the story, this is all one sided at this stage as with most forum bashing.For all you know his boss my have reviewed video fotage of customers not removing helmets, which may be against policy and just got drilled out about it, who knows?

God damn my blood pressure is up again....:bleh:

P.s My rant is finished for now.

[DarkLord]

Fair point Starky, if they ask then understandable, I for one wouldn't be too pleased if they asked me to take it off but I would do it. It is a real nuisance to take your helmet off if you are passing through a servo on a long bike trip and have other headgear on besides just a helmet, e.g. face mask, scarf, earplugs.

I usually don't take my helmet off when I'm passing through somewhere and gassing up in the middle of a big bike trip, not to be rude but just because it's an inconvenience, really.

[popelli]

All those that think wearing your helmets into a servo is acceptable, you need to pull your heads out of your arses, or in this case pull them out of your helmets.

Why not ust comply with the request of the person working the station and remove your helmet? It is a form of curtosity that appears to have been left back in the "golden" years. Now i wasn't around in those days but i find it very disrespectiful to "hide" behind a helmet, it doesn't matter if the visor is up or not. Look at this from their point of view for a change and take your "I'm a big tough biker" blinkers off.

This shit shits me.

It is all part of being a decent human being and showing respect to other wishes. He asked you to remove it, so remove it.

To the people that are, don't lynch the petrol station attendant as we have not heard his side of the story, this is all one sided at this stage as with most forum bashing.For all you know his boss my have reviewed video fotage of customers not removing helmets, which may be against policy and just got drilled out about it, who knows?

God damn my blood pressure is up again....:bleh:

P.s My rant is finished for now.

Exactly why should motorcyclists be singled out as being different and remove their helmets

do shieks remove their head gear?

do muslims remove their veils?

political correctness be dammed its people who back political correctness that contribute the the F**ked up society we now have to live in

[Starky307]

Exactly why should motorcyclists be singled out as being different and remove their helmets

do shieks remove their head gear?

do muslims remove their veils?

political correctness be dammed its people who back political correctness that contribute the the F**ked up society we now have to live in

Don't get me started on the above mentioned religions and their customs being carried out in our country.

If this was a forum for shieks or muslims then I would start to arguee why they should take part in our beliefs while in our country and remove the required items "if" asked to do so.

The difference is that the OP was asked to remove his helmet and got upset about it, he wasn't sigaled out at all, he was in a place where the person controling the environment was not prepared to serve him untill he removed his threatining face mask, in this case it was a helmet. If you want to start on about shieks and muslims then join thier forums and read them complaining about taking part in our countries customs, I'm sure it would keep you entertained for a while....

Time for a :apint:

[Dean]

I have walked into the kaukoppa petrol station with my visor down, its black tinted to, just put down $15 no questions asked.
I don't know why on earth he wouldn't serve you, saltydog , its just not right if he vaguely knows you as you fill up at their service station regularly but he asks you to remove your helmet? utterly stupid.
Call it protocol, but its not really nesccary for a regular customer

[Ocean1]

I have the same issue at the Mobil Silverstream... the young scruffy geek with the glasses wont let me pay without taking my helmet off.

They did the same to me a couple of years ago. Fair enough, he's following company policy. That was also the first time I'd struck the mandatory pay first thing. Same deal, if that's their rules they orta stick to 'em, even at peak traffic hour.

I sometimes fail to remove my helmet, depends on circumstances. My rules are a bit more flexible, however. I paid first, even though it took 5 pay/fill cycles, and I took my helmet off each time I went in to pay.

There endith the flexibility in my personal rules, I've never been back. Funny thing is I don't believe I'm alone, I get the distinct impression that site is considerably less busy than they used to be.


Oh, and I loath cctv systems.

[Squiggles]

Yep, same as dress code for getting into clubs. Their rules.

So if i walk into a gas station will a bunch of chicks ill be allowed to wear a helmet? :mellow:

[MaxB]

We have a BP here in Whakatane, yep just one. More recently I have been having issues with paying for my gas. There's this old fella in there thats a stickler for protocal and every time a coconut he insists I take my helmet off to pay for my gas, even when it is cash. I've had a gutsful of him.
When I try to tell him to let up he nuts off at me and wants to call the cops. He sees me every 2 or three days, my bike has a very easily remembered personalised plate, I dont have (many) tatoos or a long ZZ-top beard and up until recently I have been a polite biker.
Is it just BP that has this helmet policy like the banks or are any other KB'ers out there getting hassled in a similar way at different service stations?
The last thing you want to do is take your bloody helmet off just to give some geezer a $20 buck note ay?! If I was going to do a runner why would I even bother about coming inside the store? What? Counterfit bank notes I hear you say?
Is this happening to others out there?

Mate I feel sorry for you. I go in there failrly regularly and have been served with my helmet on. The old fella even recognised me when I was on a different bike and a few weeks ago when I had my old man in tow.

Maybe he is on his best behaviour for 'tourists'. Sometimes he'll have a yarn about things to do in the area or whatever when my helmet is off.

[beyond]

Well I've about had it with the atttitude of many attendants. I filled my company car, my wife's car and daughters car plus my motorbike at this one gas station I won't name where but Mobil.

Been going there for years, they all knew me and my vehicles. Spent a fortune annually with them.

When on the bike I had gone in and paid for ages but then they got EFTPOS..Whoopee. Slap your card through the swiper, fill her up and gone :)


Then the EFTPOS is down one day. I wear tight leathers, no room for a sawn of shot gun. I have my gloves off, my visor up, have my credit card in my hand and walk up to the attendant as it's prepaid. She's new and her response is so client orientated I nearly fall over from the extended courtesy.

I'm holding out my shotgun.. sorry.. credit card and she says
"Get your helmet off!"
Somewhat taken about I say excuse me..
"Get your helmet off now!"

I say, all I want to do is fill up. I haven't got any petrol yet as it's prepaid, I'm not here to rob you or I wouldn't be holding out my credit card.

"Company policy... get your helmet off now!"

My response... "I'll be phoning your manager." Turned around, put my credit card away, got on my bike and rode off.

Never went back for three months, running low one day and decided to use EFTPOS at the same garage... against my better judgement.

Went to swipe the card as EFTPOS was actually working... card wouldn't work and then I see the sign... Mobil Card holders only! What the.... *&%$#

Got on my bike rode off and have never been back and never will. How to keep clients aye? Maybe they prefer the ones that hold them up and don't want the decent patrons?

[Starky307]

Well I've about had it with the atttitude of many attendants. I filled my company car, my wife's car and daughters car plus my motorbike at this one gas station I won't name where but Mobil.

Been going there for years, they all knew me and my vehicles. Spent a fortune annually with them.

When on the bike I had gone in and paid for ages but then they got EFTPOS..Whoopee. Slap your card through the swiper, fill her up and gone :)


Then the EFTPOS is down one day. I wear tight leathers, no room for a sawn of shot gun. I have my gloves off, my visor up, have my credit card in my hand and walk up to the attendant as it's prepaid. She's new and her response is so client orientated I nearly fall over from the extended courtesy.

I'm holding out my shotgun.. sorry.. credit card and she says
"Get your helmet off!"
Somewhat taken about I say excuse me..
"Get your helmet off now!"

I say, all I want to do is fill up. I haven't got any petrol yet as it's prepaid, I'm not here to rob you or I wouldn't be holding out my credit card.

"Company policy... get your helmet off now!"

My response... "I'll be phoning your manager." Turned around, put my credit card away, got on my bike and rode off.

Never went back for three months, running low one day and decided to use EFTPOS at the same garage... against my better judgement.

Went to swipe the card as EFTPOS was actually working... card wouldn't work and then I see the sign... Mobil Card holders only! What the.... *&%$#

Got on my bike rode off and have never been back and never will. How to keep clients aye? Maybe they prefer the ones that hold them up and don't want the decent patrons?

Do you honestly believe they give a shit that you no longer buy their petrol? They asked you to remove your helmet and you didn't, get over it. If she was rude in asking you to remove your helmet then you should of been the bigger person and removed your helmet first and then ask to speak to her supervisor if it gets to you that much.
It's not your right to buy their product, remember that.

[Ixion]

Do you honestly believe they give a shit that you no longer buy their petrol? They asked you to remove your helmet and you didn't, get over it. If she was rude in asking you to remove your helmet then you should of been the bigger person and removed your helmet first and then ask to speak to her supervisor if it gets to you that much.
It's not your right to buy their product, remember that.

Very true. It is my right to NOT buy their product. A right which I exercise. Frequently

We hear a good deal these days of gloom and worry about the economy.

Some of it is overrated, but what we can say with fair certainty is that a fair number of businesses are going to go bust in the next couple of years.

Those who, like the person referred to above, think that a customer is someone who must put up with their rudeness and insolence, will certainly be amongst those who fail. She did not "ask him to remove his helmet". If the exchange be as stated she was rude , arrogant and insolent. I would not accept that attitude from anyone let alone someone who purportedly wants my money. It may be unjustified but I have a suspicion, based on your frequent defense of such behaviour, that the one you work for will also be amongst the failures.

The six sisters have treated the whole of this country abominably for many years. This sort of attitude is typical of the petrol companies as a whole.

[Starky307]

Those who, like the person referred to above, think that a customer is someone who must put up with their rudeness and insolence, will certainly be amongst those who fail. She did not "ask him to remove his helmet". If the exchange be as stated she was rude , arrogant and insolent. I would not accept that attitude from anyone let alone someone who purportedly wants my money. It may be unjustified but I have a suspicion, based on your frequent defense of such behaviour, that the one you work for will also be amongst the failures.

The six sisters have treated the whole of this country abominably for many years. This sort of attitude is typical of the petrol companies as a whole.

It is a pity you make these assumptions as to my views and who I work for and how that company will survive in the current and future economic climate.
If you read a post of mine before you will see I make no judgement on the one sided arguments we are reading on this forum. You are correct that there is only two people who know how beyond was spoken to that day and I suggested he abide by her decision and then ask to speak with her supervisor. This would of then kept her from being jumpy about someone hiding in their helmet, and if Beyond is as bigger customer as he spoke of the supervisor would of recognised him and then informed the attendant that her manor of comunication was inapropriate and delt with her justly.

I also feel that the six sisters that you talk of will more than likely be the last to feel the pinch as we are all so dependant on their product.

[short-circuit]

It is a pity you make these assumptions as to my views and who I work for and how that company will survive in the current and future economic climate.
If you read a post of mine before you will see I make no judgement on the one sided arguments we are reading on this forum. You are correct that there is only two people who know how beyond was spoken to that day and I suggested he abide by her decision and then ask to speak with her supervisor. This would of then kept her from being jumpy about someone hiding in their helmet, and if Beyond is as bigger customer as he spoke of the supervisor would of recognised him and then informed the attendant that her manor of comunication was inapropriate and delt with her justly.

I also feel that the six sisters that you talk of will more than likely be the last to feel the pinch as we are all so dependant on their product.


You seem to make as many assumptions as you do spelling mistakes and errors in logic.

[Ixion]

Doesn't work like that. Less than 4% of people who are dissatisifed with the attitude of an employee will complain to management. But 68% of customers who go else where do so because of employee attitude. In other words they do exactly what Mr Beyond did. They took their wallets elsewhere. A business may well feel thta the loss of one customer is neither here not there. But an employee who is rude to customers will usually be so regularly. So it's not just one customer , it's many. Studies also show that a customer who is pissed off with a business will tell at least a dozen other people that the business is crap. Look at the frequent threads on here about poor service at bike shops. Unless your business ahs a monopoly, you ought to be worried about that.

I suggets you go read up on something called Six Sigma.

[Starky307]

You seem to make as many assumptions as you do spelling mistakes and errors in logic.

You can have the spelling mistakes as it is something I have always struggled with but please point out where you feel my logic is wrong.

[Ixion]

I just did.

[gijoe1313]

On a more positive note, the local servo I go to, recognise me so well they just flick the pumps on for me at any time of the day or night, the attendants who happen to work the late shift sometimes work the day or vice versa and so used to seeing me drop in every day or several times in one day! :lol:

No need for helmet off or anything, we have a pleasant quick chat and off I tootle merrily!

In fact, when I am driving a cage, they don't recognise me without all my clobber! :rofl:

[Starky307]

Well I must be 1 of the 4%.

And yes your dead right about 1 person telling 12 others about poor service, and hence the reason for informing the persons supervisor so they can be taught what they did was wrong. Be proactive to help this person who you feel is not playing their part becoming a better person in our society.

It is also a pity that we don't have a similar ratio for reporting good service, your right most people come on line to bleat and moan about things that they feel strongly about. I just feel strongly about not hiding inside helmets, hoodies, balaclavas and/or bandanas, the list goes on but that will do for now.

I get frustrated when people complain about being asked to remove their helmets (weather they were asked nicely or not) when entering petrol stations or any shop for that matter.
To me it is common courtosity to remove your helemt and to present yourself to the person who is working behind the counter in a respectable mannor.

[Mikkel]

Do you honestly believe they give a shit that you no longer buy their petrol? They asked you to remove your helmet and you didn't, get over it. If she was rude in asking you to remove your helmet then you should of been the bigger person and removed your helmet first and then ask to speak to her supervisor if it gets to you that much.
It's not your right to buy their product, remember that.

Do you honestly believe a thinking individual with a decent self-esteem is going to put up with such a rude attitude from some random snotty jobsworth?

That someone who has the resources to actually make a choice in the matter is going to be a returning customer?

From how your response is formulated I get a nagging feeling you might be somehow related to the shop assistant that made Beyond walk away in disgust. Treating paying customers as suspect criminals and/or lesser human beings is not going to see you stay in business for long...

[quallman1234]

Roll up on a scooter and see if he ask's you to remove your helmet. Me doubts it.

[Gremlin]

Ever forgot and walked into a bank with your helmet on?

I won't do that again.
Didn't forget... I make a ninja charge for the fast deposit hole in the wall, and run back out before they can take me out :chase:


If you're on a long trip - it's usually good to get your helmet off and have some water/drink and a snack break regularly. Stopping for petrol is a good time for that. Not to mention giving your visor a wash.
Visor gets washed while helmet is on head... with balaclava, ear plugs etc, its just easier to leave it on, especially if its juuuust right.

Never had to remove my helmet, always leave it on, unless I'm stopping for a while. Visor is always up tho, and never had to prepay, but have had to leave my wallet, then pay once I have filled.

Don't have special station, with the mileage I do, I fill up all over the place.

[Griffin]

God damn my blood pressure is up again....:bleh:


Dam, if reading these forums affects your blood pressure then it might be time to give up your login and start reading books - there aint no amount of 'putting your point across' that is going to get everyone on here in total agreement with you... no matter HOW right you think you are.


It's not your right to buy their product, remember that.

Ummm... actually, it IS your right to buy their product. If a company advertises a product for sale then they cannot refuse to sell said product, so long as your complying with any conditions that are stated in the advertising of the product or service... eg: age, sobriety, dress code, area boundaries etc.


Roll up on a scooter and see if he ask's you to remove your helmet. Me doubts it.

True... its hard to be threatening on a scooter... no matter how hard you try lol

[Gubb]

Ask them if they are going to insist that a woman wearing a Burqa to remove it before paying. See the shit-storm that causes.

[short-circuit]

"Please remove your balaclava, bandana, sunglasses, spectacles, move your fringe from in front of you face, take your wig off, the bandage, plaster, zinc, SARS mask, Muzzle Mr Lecter, make-up ma'am, cheesecutter, baseball cap, ribbons in your hair, cats eye contact lenses, moko, beard...."

[dipshit]

Do you honestly believe they give a shit that you no longer buy their petrol?

Of course he does. :sunny: :moon:

[Swoop]

Several years ago, when I walked into a diary,
A good idea to keep your helmet on when walking into a diary. The cover and pages might hurt.

Plus you look like a retard standing in a shop queue with a (full-face) helmet on.
You haven't stood in line at the Kopu Mobil then!
A whole line of helmeted bikers all waiting to pay for their Disneyland E-ticket ride.

[dipshit]

do shieks remove their head gear?

do muslims remove their veils?


Petrol stations are very high on the list for armed hold-ups.

Robbers wearing balaclavas, hoods, and motorcycle helmets are the most common.

[Starky307]

Do you honestly believe a thinking individual with a decent self-esteem is going to put up with such a rude attitude from some random snotty jobsworth?

That someone who has the resources to actually make a choice in the matter is going to be a returning customer?

From how your response is formulated I get a nagging feeling you might be somehow related to the shop assistant that made Beyond walk away in disgust. Treating paying customers as suspect criminals and/or lesser human beings is not going to see you stay in business for long...

No relation what so ever, but again I'll try to make my point, you heard one side of a story and it seems that it is gospel truth to you.


Dam, if reading these forums affects your blood pressure then it might be time to give up your login and start reading books - there aint no amount of 'putting your point across' that is going to get everyone on here in total agreement with you... no matter HOW right you think you are.


Ummm... actually, it IS your right to buy their product. If a company advertises a product for sale then they cannot refuse to sell said product, so long as your complying with any conditions that are stated in the advertising of the product or service... eg: age, sobriety, dress code, area boundaries etc.

It was tongue and check about the blood pressure but thanks for your concern. And your right, I will not convince others to respect the wishes of petrol station attendants to remove helmets when asked to do so, but I'll try.

You seem to contradict yourself with the comment about them having to sell gas to you because they advertise it for sale. It appears that removing your helmet is a condition of sale that is enforced more than likely when an attendant feels threatened. Remember they may have been held up the day before by someone wearing a helmet, you just never know.

When do petrol stations advertise? I'm trying to recall the last advert I saw for a petrol station.

[Big Dave]

Nah - fack 'em and their company policy.

If I can't buy it on my terms I go somewhere where I can - if it's a regular.

BP Abbotts way and BP Ellerslie don't care and are always good for a friendly chat - hat on or not.

They never insist I pre-pay either.

[007XX]

Never had an issue, but then again, it's obvious I'm a chick, even when in full gear. So maybe I'm not considered a threat?

Which is stupid when you think about it, cos guns can be held by anyone!

Wonder who would be stupid enough to hold a service station at gunpoint nowadays though...

[Max Preload]

Very true. It is my right to NOT buy their product. A right which I exercise. Frequently.

I thought I was alone! I exercise this right not to buy so frequently that to see me actually buying anything other than that which I absolutely cannot any longer go without, is rather a rarity.


Treating paying customers as suspect criminals and/or lesser human beings is not going to see you stay in business for long...

Indeed. That's as offensive to me, I'm sure, as being followed around a store by security is to any person with dark skin. In both cases a majority is being treated as the minority with whom they can be linked and profiled.

[saltydog]

After posting this thread me a mate headed up to TK and Waihou Bay for a ride. We stopped twice, once in Opotiki and once in Waihou, both times paid with my helmet on (and one was a BP).
It appears, with the exception of say...stark307, beemer and slyer, most of us would rather keep our helmet on while paying for gas.
We've had 2 posts with personal reference to the gentleman in question (No I dont do boats....laughed at that one) and one post suggesting if you catch him on a good day he's ok. He is a grumpy old man.
I wonder if this helmet situation has anything to do with the fact that the cops only fill at this particular station? (BP 2GO cnr Peace and McAllister streets. ph 07 3086735)
I honestly havent filled up at this BP for ages, I go out of my way to avoid them. The wife only goes there to fill up the falcon when its empty and she has a 10c/l off voucher. Apart from that they're not getting ANY more of my money.
And fuck BP's 98 octane petty, I heard its a rip-off blend anyway.
And while I'm on it, all you do gooders who insist I'm the only one at fault here.......eat my dust.
PS: should I just go in and ask to politley speak to the manager......or wait until its pissing down again?

[Starky307]

Indeed. That's as offensive to me, I'm sure, as being followed around a store by security is to any person with dark skin. In both cases a majority is being treated as the minority with whom they can be linked and profiled.

This is what happens when some low life scum uses a motorcycle helmet as a form of disguise and robs a petrol station, it tarnishes all others who would like to be able to buy petrol without removing their helmets.

My opinion is to remove all doubt and enter the petrol stations, corner dairy, bank etc with your helmet off, it will suddenly remove you from that unfortunate genre of people with ill intentions.

[saltydog]

My opinion is to remove all doubt and enter the petrol stations, corner dairy, bank etc with your helmet off, it will suddenly remove you from that unfortunate genre of people with ill intentions.

Starky mate, just let it go, we hear you, but you are standing on your soap-box as the minority on this one. We dont want to cause an armed defender call out, but would like to have a bit of common sence applied to situations such as the one that occured to me.
Come on mate...lets just go for a ride!

[Squid69]

We have a BP here in Whakatane, yep just one. More recently I have been having issues with paying for my gas. There's this old fella in there thats a stickler for protocal and every time a coconut he insists I take my helmet off to pay for my gas, even when it is cash. I've had a gutsful of him.
When I try to tell him to let up he nuts off at me and wants to call the cops. He sees me every 2 or three days, my bike has a very easily remembered personalised plate, I dont have (many) tatoos or a long ZZ-top beard and up until recently I have been a polite biker.
Is it just BP that has this helmet policy like the banks or are any other KB'ers out there getting hassled in a similar way at different service stations?
The last thing you want to do is take your bloody helmet off just to give some geezer a $20 buck note ay?! If I was going to do a runner why would I even bother about coming inside the store? What? Counterfit bank notes I hear you say?
Is this happening to others out there?


Ive never bothered to take my helmit off when filling up.
Unl;ess im with a group, if im with a group then its worth it because your more often sitting around for half a hour after filling/paying while everyone talks smack

[gijoe1313]

I remember large group ride and ending up stopping in Dargaville, first servo we come to, we all park up to fill ... and the attendant inside refused to turn them on ... wanted us to prepay first! Some of us had even removed our lids.

As if we knew how much each of us needed to fill up with! We all just rode off and rocked into the next servo and the attendant just gave us the big thumbs up and unlocked all the pumps for us.

We spent extra in that store on food and drinks and appreciated the good will shown us! :yes:

[Griffin]

When do petrol stations advertise? I'm trying to recall the last advert I saw for a petrol station.


Every petrol station advertises... usually on huge big signs right outside the station "regular 95 $2.98/l" etc... and yes, what I said may appear contradictive, the problem is I am trying to defend two statements that by their very context means I am having to stand on both sides of the fence. However, the fact remains that every person in this country has the right to buy any advertised product. You stated that you DONT have that right... well you do. Having said that, sometimes their are conditions, as for instance a person advertising a lawn mowing service in Auckland wouldnt be expected to have to provide his service to someone in Christchurch who purchased the Herald containing his advert.
Servos might list removing your helmet as one of the conditions of purchasing petrol, and as long as that is clearly stated they can claim that as a defence for not serving you - but they should have a person out on the forecourt enforcing that before you pour the petrol... because once you have done that and you offer to pay... helmet or no helmet, if they refuse to accept your money... they are giving you the petrol.


We dont want to cause an armed defender call out,

Armed Offender - hence the AOS (Armed Offender Squad)

yeah yeah... Im pedantic <_<

[Mikkel]

Ask them if they are going to insist that a woman wearing a Burqa to remove it before paying. See the shit-storm that causes.

Yep, ATGATT is the closest thing I have to religion - don't fucking mess with the dogma you cunts!


A good idea to keep your helmet on when walking into a diary. The cover and pages might hurt.

A man walks into a bar...

OUCH. :rolleyes:


No relation what so ever, but again I'll try to make my point, you heard one side of a story and it seems that it is gospel truth to you.

Yep, I'm part of that rare minority who really prefer not to think about anything at all. I.e. fucking lazy.


We dont want to cause an armed defender call out, but would like to have a bit of common sence applied to situations such as the one that occured to me.

Speak for yourself, I think an armed offender callout could be a lot of fun - especially when they find that smoking gun is in fact a rather abused EFTPOS card.

No doubt, if you work at a petrol station you will have considered the risk of being robbed. You might even have played out different scenarios in your mind. I know I would.
However, let's face it - if someone comes to the petrol station with a gun to take whatever is in the till you will be at their mercy (unless you're Chuckies nephew of course). Same goes everytime you get in a car, you will to a large extent be at the mercy of other motorists. Stop living life in fear, it is disgraceful. Don't worry be happy, etc.

[saltydog]

Armed Offender - hence the AOS (Armed Offender Squad)

There you go, I always though it was the armed defenders. Is that not the old school name for them?

And while off topic, how many cages drive away without paying for petrol as opposed to bikes?

[Mikkel]

There you go, I always though it was the armed defenders. Is that not the old school name for them?

And while off topic, how many cages drive away without paying for petrol as opposed to bikes?

Mate, as much as I would love to take credit for that correction it was Griffin's call.

As a matter of fact I edited that very error in my post after having seen the post he made in the meantime.

[short-circuit]

This is what happens when some low life scum uses a motorcycle helmet as a form of disguise and robs a petrol station, it tarnishes all others who would like to be able to buy petrol without removing their helmets.

My opinion is to remove all doubt and enter the petrol stations, corner dairy, bank etc with your helmet off, it will suddenly remove you from that unfortunate genre of people with ill intentions.

Strange issue to be so vehement about.

Dunno about you but I use a helmet to protect my head not to hide in. At a guess I'd say that every single respondent to this thread uses theirs for the same purpose.

[Starky307]

Just to throw petrol on the fire, what are you protecting your head from while inside a petrol station?


Seriously guys I ain't going to loose any sleep over this but I do like to voice my opinion.

I was going to ask again what the big deal is with removing your helmets but what I gather from this is we are on different sides of the fence on this one.
I'm on the correct and respectful side of the fence and the rest of you are low life soon to become robbers on the disrespectful side of the fence.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Your right saltydog, lets all just go riding.

As long as you remove your helmets when you gas up.lol

[LittleJohn]

yip agree... I always remove my lid when filling up as its just polite to remove your helmet...

Yep, I always remove my lid when filling up, it's also nice to get some airflow and cool down...

[popelli]

It's not your right to buy their product, remember that.

exactly which oil company do you work for ?????

[3umph]

Just to throw petrol on the fire, what are you protecting your head from while inside a petrol station?


Seriously guys I ain't going to loose any sleep over this but I do like to voice my opinion.

I was going to ask again what the big deal is with removing your helmets but what I gather from this is we are on different sides of the fence on this one.
I'm on the correct and respectful side of the fence and the rest of you are low life soon to become robbers on the disrespectful side of the fence.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Your right saltydog, lets all just go riding.

As long as you remove your helmets when you gas up.lol

It's really just a common courtesy thing really...
bit like a lot of things these days there is f&^k all of it any more... hence why the attitude of many in society think that they are better then so many others and they are not accountable for what they do...
so many people and groups these days have a chip on there shoulder and think that the rest have to bow down and kiss there ass...

[LittleJohn]

It's really just a common courtesy thing really...
bit like a lot of things these days there is f&^k all of it any more... hence why the attitude of many in society think that they are better then so many others and they are not accountable for what they do...
so many people and groups these days have a chip on there shoulder and think that the rest have to bow down and kiss there ass...

Totally agree, couldn't have said it better myself.

[Muppet]

The signs are there on almost all, it not all, petrol stations

But I dont normally bother to ditch my lid

And I have never had anyone go off at me, or refuse payment, service etc

Maybe its a Norff Island thing...

Same here.

[sunhuntin]

There you go, I always though it was the armed defenders. Is that not the old school name for them?

And while off topic, how many cages drive away without paying for petrol as opposed to bikes?

over a 2.5 year period, i know of 3 cars and 0 bikes. and that was just one station out of 4 that we got rotated around. i dont know the stats for the other 3 sites, but im picking about the same.
we often got faxes from other branded stations warning us of serial theives... all those faxes were car related.

all of you harping on about removing helmets being part of manners and courtesy... try working a servo. i much prefered talking to someone wearing a lid that some bitch too busy txting to even bother telling which car was hers [am i psychic now?] the other bitch too busy talking on her phone to tell me how much petrol she wanted, or the dopey bugger to ignorant to leave a half eaten apple in the car, prefering to slobber and drop 'apple crumbs" all over my nice clean counter. now, those are what i consider rude and ignorant. the only time i had trouble conversing with helmet wearing riders was when they had ear plugs in, lol. but then i just spoke louder.

and for the record, on a busy shift, i could easily serve upwards of 100 customers in 3 hours [long weekend etc] and i remembered all my regular customers. hell, 90% of them still say hi when we see each other in town, and its almost a year since i left. same when im a customer... most of the staff in my regular shops know me face and some by name.

[Beemer]

...On a long trip and going to a station you DONT use regularly is a different story, because THERE the people have no idea who you are. You dont need to take a helmet off to be polite.

So there is one rule for people you know and one for those you don't know? That is just stupid! What if you are a regular at a station but that day there is a new attendant - do you think "fuck you, it's my regular station so they should know who I am and I'm not taking my helmet off" or do you take your helmet off?

Whoever made the point about the station owner or manager maybe getting pissed off about customers being shown on CCTV not removing their helmets and having a word to the attendant is a good one. Workers don't make the rules and they don't always have discretion about using them either. I used to work for a power company and we had to use the person's name at least THREE times during the call - "thank you for calling Mrs Smith. Is that satisfactory Mrs Smith? Is there anything else I can help you with Mrs Smith?" etc and I hated it. But I had to do it because they taped my calls and I would get reprimanded if I didn't follow company procedure.

[Starky307]

It's really just a common courtesy thing really...
bit like a lot of things these days there is f&^k all of it any more... hence why the attitude of many in society think that they are better then so many others and they are not accountable for what they do...
so many people and groups these days have a chip on there shoulder and think that the rest have to bow down and kiss there ass...


Totally agree, couldn't have said it better myself.


So there is one rule for people you know and one for those you don't know? That is just stupid! What if you are a regular at a station but that day there is a new attendant - do you think "fuck you, it's my regular station so they should know who I am and I'm not taking my helmet off" or do you take your helmet off?

Whoever made the point about the station owner or manager maybe getting pissed off about customers being shown on CCTV not removing their helmets and having a word to the attendant is a good one. Workers don't make the rules and they don't always have discretion about using them either. I used to work for a power company and we had to use the person's name at least THREE times during the call - "thank you for calling Mrs Smith. Is that satisfactory Mrs Smith? Is there anything else I can help you with Mrs Smith?" etc and I hated it. But I had to do it because they taped my calls and I would get reprimanded if I didn't follow company procedure.

And the reinforcements roll into town.:2thumbsup

[Beemer]

Starky mate, just let it go, we hear you, but you are standing on your soap-box as the minority on this one...

Check back through the posts and I think you'll find it's almost even between those of us who see it as a courtesy to remove your helmet - and also a ruling the service station has a right to enforce - and those who think the service stations should get fucked for daring to ask that helmets be removed.

It's a bit like the "did you see that idiot riding a bike wearing shorts and jandals?" debate. We all have our opinions but we'll never agree.

[Slyer]

It appears, with the exception of say...stark307, beemer and slyer, most of us would rather keep our helmet on while paying for gas.
For the record I keep my helmet on most of the time and have never been asked to take it off.

[MarkH]

Studies also show that a customer who is pissed off with a business will tell at least a dozen other people that the business is crap.

Or post details on an internet forum even!


The one thing I don't get in the OP is the grumpy old cunt obviously unlocking the pump for the biker wearing a helmet - he has no problem with someone taking goods without showing their face, then when it comes to paying for those goods he needs to see their face to take their money? WTF? If you let someone fill up with their face covered you might as well also let them pay with their face covered.

[Skyryder]

Show him ya licence photo. If he's still not interested. Fuck off. It's not about courtesy but conveniance for the customer...........that's you. Tell him that.

Or another

Remember you are being filmed and you will have a record of you attempting to pay. If the fuzz come knocking tell em you were the winning customer for a promotian for free petrol. Have some fun with this guy.

Skyryder

[Starky307]

Show him ya licence photo. If he's still not interested. Fuck off. It's not about courtesy but conveniance for the customer...........that's you. Tell him that.

Or another

Remember you are being filmed and you will have a record of you attempting to pay. If the fuzz come knocking tell em you were the winning customer for a promotian for free petrol. Have some fun with this guy.

Skyryder

Good thinking, that will help raise the collective good thoughts towards motorcycle riders.:doh:

[saltydog]

Check back through the posts and I think you'll find it's almost even between those of us who see it as a courtesy to remove your helmet

Started a real doosy here didnt I?! But i'm over it. Big Steve from Vegas pulled up here this afternoon, new paint and all, and even he knows of the old badger I'm talking about. Then Snapper Dan arrived with his brand new 2CT on the back, foot wide chicken strips and busting to scuff it it. Needless to say we fueled up at Shell Domain Rd and I kept my helmet on again. The 'Cher bro' from the attendant made me think about my best mate at the BP and how cool the SHELL V-POWER telly ad is.......

[lozz900]

As soon as some people think they are in the position of power their head swells.Pretty sad its a pump attendant though.I suggest you argue the point, esp while there are other people in the shop, Make everyone aware of what a tosser the guy is. Tell him to take the money or come pump it out, toss the gold on the counter and head for the door, He will make a decision pretty quickly id say, To bad if he calls the coppers, They they cant turn up for anything so i dont expect he will have much luck, And will probably get a bolloking for wasting the coppers time.
My patience for dickheads is at an all time low and i let the individuals aware of my thoughts pretty quickly.

[idb]

Started a real doosy here didnt I?! .......

I suppose it has taken some of the heat off the cops on this forum for a while...

[short-circuit]

Make everyone aware of what a tosser the guy is. Tell him to take the money or come pump it out, toss the gold on the counter and head for the door

Thats exactly the right course of action. But not gold - pay him in silver (five cent pieces)

[Big Dave]

If it's out in the country and the first time I've been in - I take the hat off.

Usually ask if there are any good rides around here whilst paying.

If I have been in to the service station in question a dozen times and the staff know me - and it's inflexibility on their part - outta there. Make everyone's life happier.

[3umph]

Politeness is all well and good - however removing your helmet has nothing to do with neither politeness nor respect.


Thats your view on it... and a pretty crap one at that...

If it is good enough for you to wear a helmet at a service I suggest you wear one everywhere you go including going into a bank

[Starky307]

Dunno about you but I use a helmet to protect my head not to hide in. At a guess I'd say that every single respondent to this thread uses theirs for the same purpose.


Just to throw petrol on the fire, what are you protecting your head from while inside a petrol station?

Still waiting for a sensible answer....

[Beemer]

Thats exactly the right course of action. But not gold - pay him in silver (five cent pieces)

I think you'll find they stopped making five cent pieces some years ago, but good luck anyway!

[idb]

Thats your view on it... and a pretty crap one at that...

If it is good enough for you to wear a helmet at a service I suggest you wear one everywhere you go including going into a bank

True, and you could wear Speedos into the supermarket, after all, if it's good enough to wear them at camp shop...

[idb]

Well...I think I made that point...

[awayatc]

when I take my lid of they always tell me to put it back on "Immediately".....
Go figure....

[short-circuit]

Still waiting for a sensible answer....

You're either a troll or you don't read other people's posts. Figure it out for yourself and if dyslexia is preventing you, then get a learning aide or mummy to interpret for you.

[slofox]

when I take my lid of they always tell me to put it back on "Immediately".....
Go figure....

Funny - they do that to me too.....wonder why...?

[3umph]

True, and you could wear Speedos into the supermarket, after all, if it's good enough to wear them at camp shop...

yes you could if that was your thing... never seen a No Speedo sign at a supermarket tho :bleh:

speedos and a helmet is all you seem to need these days...

[gijoe1313]

Togs, togs, togs, undies, undies, undies! :msn-wink:

[Mikkel]

Thats your view on it... and a pretty crap one at that...

That's your opinion on this matter, a pretty narrowminded one, really.

[Hoon]

Still waiting for a sensible answer....

Obvious, because some people are just too damn lazy to take 5 secs to remove their helmet. When they get snapped by the attendant for being a lazy dumbass trying to walk into a petrol station they get all defensive and make like they are being treated unfairly. Just because they got away with it once they now believe it is their god-given right to be able to do it everytime. For some reason they also believe "No Helmets" really means "No Helmets unless you have been to this petrol station once before and smiled at an attendant".

The fact is they are protecting nothing except their freedom to be lazy and having everyone else adjust to suit. Pretty simple really.

[Kittyhawk]

I have never encountered such a problem anywhere at a petrol station as yet. If an indian walks into a petrol station is he asked to remove his turbin? If his wife walks in fully covered revealing nothing but her eyes does the staff ask her to remove her vail? If a person walks in wearing a beanie or hoodie are they asked to take them off? No...

Bikers are more distinct so why is this classified as discrimination and favourtisim with different ethnic or classes of people?

Walking into a bank or supermarket etc then the helmet is removed, but why should it be removed for a petty less than 1 min transaction? Takes longer to remove the helmet than what it does to complete the transaction.

If your money and genuine honesty isnt good enough what is?

[Max Preload]

Just to throw petrol on the fire, what are you protecting your head from while inside a petrol station?

Who said they're leaving their helmet on to protect their head? It's more to protect the helmet. There's rarely anywhere you can safely leave it without risking it being blown off onto the ground or getting it covered in fuel.

[Owl]

The fact is they are protecting nothing except their freedom to be lazy and having everyone else adjust to suit.

No, that is a claim, not a fact!:oi-grr:

[insomnia01]

The main hassle I get is when you pull up to a pre-pay only pump & the majority in TA are like this, what I do to get around this is I rock the BB onto it's centre stand take gloves off & when they notice this they free up the pump & I pay when I get inside... no prob's

[sunhuntin]

? Takes longer to remove the helmet than what it does to complete the transaction.

specially when youve got ear plugs, face warmers and all that extra guff to put back one again.

when touring, if i took my lid off at every petrol station just to pay [not including comfort/food/etc stops, just gassing up] then id never get anywhere, as it takes a good 10 mins for me to get my gear on comfortably.

[insomnia01]

specially when youve got ear plugs, face warmers and all that extra guff to put back one again.

when touring, if i took my lid off at every petrol station just to pay [not including comfort/food/etc stops, just gassing up] then id never get anywhere, as it takes a good 10 mins for me to get my gear on comfortably.

yeh, no that feeling :no::no: to get my ear plugs sitting right takes a few minutes then I'm good as wood :eek::eek:

[3umph]

That's your opinion on this matter, a pretty narrowminded one, really.

yes it is my opinion but not as narrow minded as your view...

This topic will keep going round and round and never come to a rest due to many having different opinions on what is right and what is not...

My guess would be most of the older riders would remove there helmets more then the younger ones...

There are so many places that say no helmets to be worn... I suggest all start wearing helmets in these other places as well...

I always remove my helmet when fueling up even if there is a forecourt attendant wanting to fill my bike up and take my cash... (very rare these days)

It is just common courtesy to remove your helmet...

[Hoon]

Bikers are more distinct so why is this classified as discrimination and favourtisim with different ethnic or classes of people?

Easy, ethnic and religious groups wear their head dress in public due to beliefs (i.e. all the time). Motorcyclists are only required to wear a helmet while riding for safety purposes (i.e. some of the time). If motorcyclists wore their helmets all day and only took them off to sleep for some reason then yes you'd have a point but they don't. Suggesting that a motorcyclist can't take their helmet off to complete a transaction yet they suddenly can when they want to eat or arrive at a destination doesn't really stack up.


Walking into a bank or supermarket etc then the helmet is removed, but why should it be removed for a petty less than 1 min transaction? Takes longer to remove the helmet than what it does to complete the transaction.

Transaction time is irrelevant. It doesn't make a place any less likely to be robbed. It's your choice to ride a bike, wear all that gear and get it on comfortably so the problem of the time and effort required to remove and replace all that gear is really a YOU problem that you are trying to make someone elses. Why would you think that the time and effort required for you to remove/replace your gear should somehow dictate the security policy in effect at a place of business?


If your money and genuine honesty isnt good enough what is?

Your money and honesty doesn't mean squat when:
a) The staff don't know you from a bar of soap.
b) You choose to enter the premises dressed like a robber (yes I know we are only bikers, just unfortunate that robbers choose to dress like us too).

[Lissa]

Well I go to the same petrol station for gas all the time. It does have a sign saying NO HELMETS, and I use to take it off to go in and pay, but its such a friggin hassle, especially when having to tuck all my hair back into the helmet (such a girl!) so I just bowl on in with my helmet, had no complaints... except one customer once asked me if I was going to rob them... jokingly :mellow:

[Starky307]

Strange issue to be so vehement about.

Dunno about you but I use a helmet to protect my head not to hide in. At a guess I'd say that every single respondent to this thread uses theirs for the same purpose.


Just to throw petrol on the fire, what are you protecting your head from while inside a petrol station?


Seriously guys I ain't going to loose any sleep over this but I do like to voice my opinion.

I was going to ask again what the big deal is with removing your helmets but what I gather from this is we are on different sides of the fence on this one.
I'm on the correct and respectful side of the fence and the rest of you are low life soon to become robbers on the disrespectful side of the fence.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Your right saltydog, lets all just go riding.

As long as you remove your helmets when you gas up.lol


You're either a troll or you don't read other people's posts. Figure it out for yourself and if dyslexia is preventing you, then get a learning aide or mummy to interpret for you.

Still waiting for the reason you wear your helmet inside for protection.

I'm not trolling but I'm asking a reasonable question to something you made a point blank statement about with no real reason to do so.


Obvious, because some people are just too damn lazy to take 5 secs to remove their helmet. When they get snapped by the attendant for being a lazy dumbass trying to walk into a petrol station they get all defensive and make like they are being treated unfairly. Just because they got away with it once they now believe it is their god-given right to be able to do it everytime. For some reason they also believe "No Helmets" really means "No Helmets unless you have been to this petrol station once before and smiled at an attendant".

The fact is they are protecting nothing except their freedom to be lazy and having everyone else adjust to suit. Pretty simple really.

Is this what you are protecting short-circuit?


Who said they're leaving their helmet on to protect their head? It's more to protect the helmet. There's rarely anywhere you can safely leave it without risking it being blown off onto the ground or getting it covered in fuel.

short-circuit did, see above.


Easy, ethnic and religious groups wear their head dress in public due to beliefs (i.e. all the time). Motorcyclists are only required to wear a helmet while riding for safety purposes (i.e. some of the time). If motorcyclists wore their helmets all day and only took them off to sleep for some reason then yes you'd have a point but they don't. Suggesting that a motorcyclist can't take their helmet off to complete a transaction yet they suddenly can when they want to eat or arrive at a destination doesn't really stack up.


Transaction time is irrelevant. It doesn't make a place any less likely to be robbed. It's your choice to ride a bike, wear all that gear and get it on comfortably so the problem of the time and effort required to remove and replace all that gear is really a YOU problem that you are trying to make someone elses. Why would you think that the time and effort required for you to remove/replace your gear should somehow dictate the security policy in effect at a place of business?



Your money and honesty doesn't mean squat when:
a) The staff don't know you from a bar of soap.
b) You choose to enter the premises dressed like a robber (yes I know we are only bikers, just unfortunate that robbers choose to dress like us too).

Well said.

[scracha]

We have a BP here in Whakatane, yep just one. More recently I have been having issues with paying for my gas. There's this old fella in there thats a stickler for protocal and every time a coconut he insists I take my helmet off to pay for my gas, even when it is cash. I've had a gutsful of him.


Do a u turn and get on your bike. When said copper arrives at your doorstep, explain that it wasn't a "drive off" and that you offered them legal tender and they refused. It'll all be on camera too.

[PirateJafa]

Thats exactly the right course of action. But not gold - pay him in silver (five cent pieces)

Actually, they may be able to decline to accept those 5c pieces. I can't recall what the threshold is, it's around five or ten dollars, but over that threshold they can legally decline to accept payment in silver coins.

However, by law, sellers must accept gold coins - even though you may be paying thousands of dollars.

[MarkH]

Actually, they may be able to decline to accept those 5c pieces. I can't recall what the threshold is, it's around five or ten dollars, but over that threshold they can legally decline to accept payment in silver coins.

However, by law, sellers must accept gold coins - even though you may be paying thousands of dollars.

I think you are referring to 10c pieces - 5c pieces are no longer legal tender.

[Gremlin]

I have seen minimum fuel delivery of $2... not sure on how you must pay... its not on the minimum fuel delivery sign afaik.

5c are no longer legal tender from memory...

[PirateJafa]

T'was originally short-circuit who ws referring to 5c pieces. I said that over x amount they can decline payment if it is in silver coins.

[Kittyhawk]

Businesses have a set obligations to stakeholder groups. If in particular the primary focus is on customer and local community with set rules and policies, customers become unhappy they will take their business else where, when a customer experiences a negative impact while at a business on average they will tell 9 other people. Word of mouth is the most common of all advertising. It is more rare when a customer has a positive experience they will tell less people about it.

The question is when people migrate to NZ and they still wear their custom head dresses why cant they respect our culture and society? If we were to go to the Middle East us as women can not just parade around in a bikini if it is hot....we have to respect their culture and ways so why cant they respect ours?

This thread - everyone has a right to express their individual opinion on here in regards to the topic....weather people agree with one another I dont really give a damn.... What ever works for you works for you helmet on or helmet off, you have the choice to which ever petrol station to fuel up as well as be your own individual self.

I've had a good giggle at some of the replies in this thread, why do people take life so seriously!? :laugh:

[Tone165]

I started my own religion for this very thing. I like to stop, gas up and go...not get disrobed and have to balance my expensive helmet on the bike, greasy pump or smelly floor.

I noticed that Moslem ladies were able to use banks and servo's without being asked to remove their burka..and after a few enquiries found that it is actually illegal to refuse to serve them..under anti discrimination laws.

So..if you like..join my religion, there are no fees etc.. all you have to do is ride a bike at least once a week (Worship)

Eat Bacon on Sunday...I just put that in to keep the vego's out!

and not remove your helmet at servo's "On religious grounds"

If you are asked to, you have to decline and say "My religion requires that I keep it on, but I am happy to provide identification"

If they insist that you remove it...ask for their name...leave the premisis..and submit a complaint to the Human Rights Commission under Chapter 9 of the Human Rights Act (1993)

Oh...and we congregate here..

http://dungbeetlebiker.invisionplus.net/index.php

and waving to other Bikers is mandatory...open left for g'day..circled finger (like a lasso) for "Cops are about"

[Stormer]

HA!!
I`m in.

[beyond]

Yeah, me too :) :laugh:

[_Shrek_]

me three :rofl:

[short-circuit]

It is just common courtesy to remove your helmet...

Your convention doesn't apply to everyone. Do you bow to your elders? Or eat with one hand and wipe your arse with the other?

[Skyryder]

Good thinking, that will help raise the collective good thoughts towards motorcycle riders.:doh:

This is not about motor cyclists as a group. It realy comes down to how you respect yourself. If sevice stations refuse to show courtesy to their customers it is up to the customer to demand it. I myself usually remove my helmut but not on all occasions. I have never been told to remove my helmut either so this issue has not happened to me.

How often are cages told to remove their 'sunnys' when they go and pay for petrol............................so why should bikers be required to remove their helmuts:blink:

We as New Zealanders put up with so much bad service that it has become the norm. I don't expect instant attention but the other day I was waiting to be served at a Shell station the guy behind the counter was helping another customer with directions and poring over a map. Then his mate came along and started helping too. That's two attendents to one customer with one waiting so I spoke up. Nothing rude or sharp. Instant service .....................but I should not have had too.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

"Please remove your balaclava, bandana, sunglasses, spectacles, move your fringe from in front of you face, take your wig off, the bandage, plaster, zinc, SARS mask, Muzzle Mr Lecter, make-up ma'am, cheesecutter, baseball cap, ribbons in your hair, cats eye contact lenses, moko, beard...."

N ow if some hot chick behind the counter asked me to remove my trou.............:girlfight:


Skyyrder

[Max Preload]

Now if some hot chick behind the counter asked me to remove my trou.............:girlfight:

You'd assume she was feeling down and needed a good laugh?

[Skyryder]

You'd assume she was feeling down and needed a good laugh?


Na I'd assume she'd have seen ma Guzzy and got all goosey.:doh:





Skyryder

[Griffin]

This thread - everyone has a right to express their individual opinion on here in regards to the topic....weather people agree with one another I dont really give a damn.... What ever works for you works for you helmet on or helmet off, you have the choice to which ever petrol station to fuel up as well as be your own individual self.

I've had a good giggle at some of the replies in this thread, why do people take life so seriously!? :laugh:

Me too... what IS hilarious is the multiple times certain posters will try to persuade others to accept their opinion... sure, post your opinions, make a couple of statements based on your beliefs... but dont expect to change other peoples views... it just aint do-able.


You'd assume she was feeling down and needed a good laugh?

Perhaps she needed reminding of how good she REALLY has it at home... :eek5:

[3umph]

Your convention doesn't apply to everyone. Do you bow to your elders? Or eat with one hand and wipe your arse with the other?

funny did not know I was at a convention... more like a kindergarten at times on here then a convention....

do I bow to my elders... no I don't bow to anyone... but I do respect people for who they are... either older or younger...

Sorry but I prefer NOT to eat when I am in the toilet...

[Starky307]

This is not about motor cyclists as a group. It realy comes down to how you respect yourself. If sevice stations refuse to show courtesy to their customers it is up to the customer to demand it. I myself usually remove my helmut but not on all occasions. I have never been told to remove my helmut either so this issue has not happened to me.

How often are cages told to remove their 'sunnys' when they go and pay for petrol............................so why should bikers be required to remove their helmuts:blink:

We as New Zealanders put up with so much bad service that it has become the norm. I don't expect instant attention but the other day I was waiting to be served at a Shell station the guy behind the counter was helping another customer with directions and poring over a map. Then his mate came along and started helping too. That's two attendents to one customer with one waiting so I spoke up. Nothing rude or sharp. Instant service .....................but I should not have had too.

Skyryder

I always try to think from the outside perspective looking in, and by that I mean someone who has no experience with motorcycles and doesn't understand that we are not all part of a gang or rob servo stations while wearing our helmets but are all uniquely different. Some of us are law abiding citizens, while others may not be, some may pay for their petrol while others may decide to ride off, get my drift, were all different.

You mention respecting yourself and I agree with what you say, but how about respecting others, especially the person who asks you to remove your helmet, the chances that they just flipped out and went all anti motorcyclist is very small, more than likely the attendant was recently torn to bits for not following a pollicy or may have even been robbed or threatened, we just don't know. As I said previously, and as you mentioned (I assume you mean by demanding respect you would talk to their boss or sort it out one on one) that it should be taken up by the supervisor or sorted out polietly, don't stoop to their level.

[short-circuit]

funny did not know I was at a convention... more like a kindergarten at times on here then a convention....

do I bow to my elders... no I don't bow to anyone... but I do respect people for who they are... either older or younger...

Sorry but I prefer NOT to eat when I am in the toilet...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_(norm)

So ignorant and ageist but not Islamic?

[bsasuper]

would you walk into a bank with ya lid on? didnt think so,is it such a big deal to take ya helmet off or are you that ugly?

[3umph]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_(norm)

So ignorant and ageist but not Islamic?

:lol: if you say so... you seem to be a very wise person :lol:

[3umph]

would you walk into a bank with ya lid on? didnt think so,is it such a big deal to take ya helmet off or are you that ugly?

exactly... many different places within NZ have stipulations about what they expect people to do when people enter there premiss or want something from them...

service stations also have no cellphone use or smoking on the forecourt...

[elevenhundred]

Just take your helmets off ya lazy gits
It only takes a few seconds

Shit just use eftpos at the pump, then you won't even have to waddle inside

[Beemer]

This thread - everyone has a right to express their individual opinion on here in regards to the topic....weather people agree with one another I dont really give a damn...

Yes, I blame Jim Hickey for everything nowadays, it's much easier.

[popelli]

is this thread still running

[SARGE]

been covered before (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=757984&postcount=1)

[3umph]

is this thread still running

yip... it's one of those that will keep ticking over and over....

[dipshit]

been covered before (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=757984&postcount=1)

"and the minimum wage drone behind the counter"

"i was in a bit of a hurry that day and the minimum wage dickhead made a stink"

Wow, you Yanks really are elitist pricks.

[Dooly]

is this thread still running

Yep.
Must be time for another waving one too.......

[BuellBunny]

Methinks its a power issue.... shame he doesnt have to wear hat anymore! I have never had a problem or EVER been asked to remove my helmet anywhere... maybe its my norks....

[fergie]

Yep.
Must be time for another waving one too.......

not to mention another harley bashing thread. (it's been awhile?)

[CookMySock]

I refueled at some random garage today, and just for kicks I asked them what the story was with fullface-helmet-on paying. They said "We are not supposed to allow it.. Security and all.. But flip-up helmets are fine." (I had taken my helmet off.) They didn't know me from a bar of soap, so there was no preferential "local chap" treatment. I also got the impression that they were somewhat apologetic about it, and would probably overlook it for people who "looked honest" and didn't race around in an alarming fashion.

I have only once been angrily ordered off the premises for helmet-on paying, and that was from that whakatane old-cunt idiot attendant.

Steve

[awayatc]

a guy gets into a train carriage full of people...
takes of his jacket, zips open his pants and starts wanking off.
After he's done he zips up and lights a smoke....
Everybody is looking at him, so he asks, looking completely bewildered:
" what?..., is this a non smoking carriage....?

[saltydog]

I think Sarge has had the same experience, and Dangerous B.
I bet you could get yourself on the Telly with this one.........some angle to test a point of law? who knows, i'm just stoked this thread is still cranking. didnt have a ride today.

[malfunconz]

it sucks really , what pisses me off is the pre pay lark . I go outa my way to find friendlies out there . some folks are just pricks regardless you wearing a lid or not . just really stress out bout it , go back after hours and wipe araldite all over the glass displays on the pumps ....they will just love this , you may feel better ?

[Insanity_rules]

Now you're just taking the piss...

If you think your not addicted to pee, try stopping! It just doesn't work people. I tried to give it up once, my bladder almost burst.

There, I have quite litterally taken the piss.

[NordieBoy]

would you walk into a bank with ya lid on? didnt think so,is it such a big deal to take ya helmet off or are you that ugly?

I'm not getting the product from outside the bank and just going inside to pay for it.
You usually park further away from banks.

It's been a while since I've seen a "no helmets" sticker at a servo down here.

[NordieBoy]

Shit just use eftpos at the pump, then you won't even have to waddle inside

Most have changed to "fuel card only".

[Blatman]

I never take my helmet off and I've never been asked to. Maybe you look like a bad bastard?

[scumdog]

There's a gas-station in Gore whose forcourt I'll never cross to get gas..

FFS, in GORE of all places they wanted me to remove my skull mask - when I went in with CB when she went to pay for our gas leaving our scoots praked-up and not running about 15 metres away???????

[Jantar]

...FFS, in GORE of all places they wanted me to remove my skull mask - when I went in with CB when she went to pay for our gas leaving our scoots praked-up and not running about 15 metres away???????

I hope you also asked them if you had to remove your stab proof vest. :rolleyes:

[scumdog]

I hope you also asked them if you had to remove your stab proof vest. :rolleyes:

In Gore?

No-way was I removing it.

And I had my pistol in hand too - just in case:devil2:

[Madmax]

Methinks its a power issue.... shame he doesnt have to wear hat anymore! I have never had a problem or EVER been asked to remove my helmet anywhere... maybe its my norks....
quite right
mikey havock said if he had "norks" he would just sit
around all day playing with them!
I forgot to remove my helmet when i went into a bank once
had a nice chat with the Armed offenders unit after
:argh:

[sunhuntin]

Actually, they may be able to decline to accept those 5c pieces. I can't recall what the threshold is, it's around five or ten dollars, but over that threshold they can legally decline to accept payment in silver coins.

However, by law, sellers must accept gold coins - even though you may be paying thousands of dollars.

fuck, i remember one local looney came in and bought a packet of tobacco... she paid entirely with feckin silver and maybe one or two golds. was like $20 something. this was before the 5c coin was removed. damn near did my head in trying to count it all and not forget where i was up to. thankfully, this at the bp thats best classed as "almost dead" instead of the one i normally worked which was classed as "always crowded"

[Damian]

that sucks, but i guess i can see where they are coming from. could u not go in there and pull him aside, and let him know that its a hassel for you to take ur lid off everytime u wanna fill your bike up, and tell him to remember ur plate or sumit? and if hes still gona be a prick, then at least u know where you stand ay mate.

btw hope i didnt bump an old post. new to this place :( my bad

[3umph]

that sucks, but i guess i can see where they are coming from. could u not go in there and pull him aside, and let him know that its a hassel for you to take ur lid off everytime u wanna fill your bike up, and tell him to remember ur plate or sumit? and if hes still gona be a prick, then at least u know where you stand ay mate.

btw hope i didnt bump an old post. new to this place :( my bad

A hassle to take your lid off....:lol:

if its such a hassle then don't bother riding the dam thing at all as when you get somewhere you will have to again have the hassle of taking your lid off...

I have to say there are some interesting replies to this topic for and against :niceone:

[Damian]

but it is a hassel for him to take his lid off other wise he would of done it no questions asked correct?

[dipshit]

but it is a hassel for him to take his lid off other wise he would of done it no questions asked correct?

I bet when it comes time for a cold one or a pie - taking a helmet off won't be any hassle all of a sudden. :confused:

[Tony W]

If I decide to take my helmet off at a servo, is it ok for me to leave my nice black balaclava on ?

[Max Preload]

I bet when it comes time for a cold one or a pie - taking a helmet off won't be any hassle all of a sudden. :confused:

What a fucking ridiculous statement. It's more hassle to not remove your helmet when attempting to eat or drink than when simply handing over your money and being on your way. :weird: :brick: :slap:

[malfunconz]

hey i was only joking , i am always the first to take off the helmit . really

[Mikkel]

yes it is my opinion but not as narrow minded as your view...

Well, that is what I think - what you think is much less openminded than my opinion.

[_Shrek_]

A hassle to take your lid off....:lol:

if its such a hassle then don't bother riding the dam thing at all as when you get somewhere you will have to again have the hassle of taking your lid off...

I have to say there are some interesting replies to this topic for and against :niceone:

well i find it a hassle to take the lid off, when your've got a balacluva & cloves on & all you want to do is pay for your gas & be gone

I've never been asked to take my helmet off in the nth Is or the sth Is, & that could any where from 1800 through to 0530, but i do wear a flip face, maybe thats the answer

[3umph]

I've never been asked to take my helmet off in the nth Is or the sth Is, & that could any where from 1800 through to 0530, but i do wear a flip face, maybe thats the answer

I suppose flip front or open face is the answer are different as the attendant can see your most of your face...

[saltydog]

Went in again today, (havent been in for over two weeks) left the helmet on while filling up, the old fella came straight accross the forecourt and told me "you had better take that helmet off before you go inside" I finish filling and walk to the entrance while removing it (albeit slowly) and he's at me again, yelling. "Oy take that off!"
I've just written (via their internet site) to BP asking if they have a nationwide poilcy regading motorcyclists anmd helmet removal and to tell them that this old fellas behaviour is unacceptable. I'm so pissing into the wind on this one but if anything I'm going to make a formal compalint about this old guy in the hope it fliters down to his boss and thus him.
I am never (ok, never say never) buying gas from this servo again.

[short-circuit]

Went in again today, (havent been in for over two weeks) left the helmet on while filling up, the old fella came straight accross the forecourt and told me "you had better take that helmet off before you go inside" I finish filling and walk to the entrance while removing it (albeit slowly) and he's at me again, yelling. "Oy take that off!"
I've just written (via their internet site) to BP asking if they have a nationwide poilcy regading motorcyclists anmd helmet removal and to tell them that this old fellas behaviour is unacceptable. I'm so pissing into the wind on this one but if anything I'm going to make a formal compalint about this old guy in the hope it fliters down to his boss and thus him.
I am never (ok, never say never) buying gas from this servo again.


Doesn't sound like this is a safety issue at all but a grumpy old fart with a personal vendetta.

Ok ready for the plonkers now to come back with arguments about "manners" (if it can't be justified on the basis of safety)

[idb]

Just as a matter of interest...what is old to you...30? 35? 40? 60? 25?

[saltydog]

I'm 40, thats old. But this guy I have found out is 70. Thats past retirement mate! He should be kicking back enjoying not working. I wonder if he is receiving the pension and wages at the same time.......Hmmm

[BiK3RChiK]

I might just have to go in there tomorrow to gas up! Which shift is he on, saltydog?:devil2:

[trainingwheels]

man i work at a BP... and have a the road knights liven near by and they almost never take there helmets off.... and i near ask them too either..... I was a bikker when i had wheels and know how much of a pain it is to have to take the helmet off everytime i get off... (PS to newbies... keep a baseball cap inside your jacket pocket to hide the helmet hair after a ride):Punk::Police:

[Kemet]

I was in one of my local BPs today and deliberately left my helmet on and unopened (it's a flip-top...). No problems at all even when I took it a ludicrous step further. Me and the guy who served me started poking fun at another staff member a spilt a bottle of e2 on the floor. He had been a silly bugger and was trying to flare it like he was in a bar. Didn't work. Puddle on the floor. The ludicrous part of this story being me - with my helmet still on - grabbing one of the wet floor signs from nearby and walking through the shop to put it next to the puddle. No one said a thing!! Not even to make fun of me!!!:stupid:

[jim.cox]

(PS to newbies... keep a baseball cap inside your jacket pocket to hide the helmet hair after a ride)

Or just shave it all off - worked for me - helmet hair, what's that?

[sinned]

Went in again today, (havent been in for over two weeks) left the helmet on while filling up, the old fella came straight accross the forecourt and told me "you had better take that helmet off before you go inside" I finish filling and walk to the entrance while removing it (albeit slowly) and he's at me again, yelling. "Oy take that off!"
I am never (ok, never say never) buying gas from this servo again.
Just a thought here. If you get gassed up with a helmet on why take it off to pay? You got the gas and they want your money - leave the helmet on and offer to pay. If they won't take payment tell them to send an invoice in the mail.

[Owl]

Went in again today, (havent been in for over two weeks) left the helmet on while filling up, the old fella came straight accross the forecourt and told me "you had better take that helmet off before you go inside"

Perhaps you should've replied "Or what"?

Only time I was ever asked (told) was way back in the 90's. This particular guy had a habit of pretending to be the boss. My reply then was "Get your hand off it Graham"! Funnily enough, I never had another issue with him.

[Shiny side up]

I really cant be naffed peeling all the gear off and I have usally found that even on prepay if you give the attendant a quick thumbs up (as to say all sweet?" before you start to fill up they have no problem. When I used to work in a shop many years ago, and they started adding a cheque fee, we were told not to refuse the cheque just because the person had refuse to pay the cheque fee. We were told that if a person has offered payment and it was refused they would be able to leave with out paying and it would not be theft. (you could refuse a cheque without ID as the reason was proof of payment) So unless the law has changed a bit (and it might have) I rekon that if you put $20 fuel in and you offered a $20 note (as that is legal tender and therefore is guarenteed payment) and they refused to accept it for any reason, other than doubt about a counterfet, you could leave and not be done for theft. It would be interesting to walk up to the counter infront of the securty camera, have them refuse payment (because of helmet) ask if the camera is on when the say yes clearly hold out the cash, wave it around, then walk out. You might leave without having to pay or you might get the attendant on a assult charge when he tries to tackle you.

[saltydog]

I might just have to go in there tomorrow to gas up! Which shift is he on, saltydog?:devil2:
Try it in the morning about 10ish, and its not the guy with the ginger beard but the old guy with the 'moles' or whatever they are on his face. Good luck, try not to smooze him with your feminine charm.


Just a thought here. If you get gassed up with a helmet on why take it off to pay? You got the gas and they want your money - leave the helmet on and offer to pay. If they won't take payment tell them to send an invoice in the mail.

Took it off cos he was nutting off at me and I knew there would just be a shit fight if I didnt. Sent a question to BP Welly asking to see a copy of their poilcy regarding making bikers taking off helmets when making payment and still waiting on that one.

Am I un-earthing something here me thinks? If they dont make a woman wearing a burka remove it when making payment (on religious grounds) then isnt it discriminating (human rights issue) to be asked to remove your helmet?
Who is a lawyer in here?
I cant wait to to see what BP has to say.
To be continued.....

[Forest]

If the old coot is giving you trouble, just remember that everything is recorded on video surveillance inside the store.

Offer him the cash. Make sure it is clearly visible. Offer the cash again. Ride off if he refuses to take it.

The oil company can ignore his bad attitude, but they most certainly won't ignore their fuel being ridden off without payment.

[elevenhundred]

BP will probably just come back with a statement about how it's policy for customers to remove helmets and that by engaging in the service BP provides the customer is agreeing to these policies.

The guy sounds like a prick but I don't know how far you're going to get

[thepom]

Just go in with a hood on and kill the git and be done with it ha ha:2thumbsup

[saltydog]

Just go in with a hood on and kill the git and be done with it ha ha:2thumbsup

Or just dob in him to BP for inappropiate behaviour not in line with company policy, then dob him in to the IRD for recieving national super and wages at the same time.
Revenge is a dish best served cold.

[wickle]

BP will probably just come back with a statement about how it's policy for customers to remove helmets and that by engaging in the service BP provides the customer is agreeing to these policies.

The guy sounds like a prick but I don't know how far you're going to get
I work at a BP and to my knowledge there's no policy, we have heaps clients walk in and pay with helmets on ,no problem when its a quick transaction bit hard to understand if other purchases are required,specially as I can be selectively deaf at these times. Just the same as people that continue to talk on cellophone when you are serving them

[popelli]

Just the same as people that continue to talk on cellophone when you are serving them


Cellphones.........petrol stations

somebody find the utube link of the cellphone causing an explosion at a petrol station

Cellphones / helmets which actually is the greater risk?

[MarkH]

Cellphones.........petrol stations

somebody find the utube link of the cellphone causing an explosion at a petrol station

I can only find the one where someone claims it is a cellphone, but others say that the incident report lists the ignition source as a cigarette lighter.


Cellphones / helmets which actually is the greater risk?

Probably helmets - what the hell would a cellphone do? How would it cause an explosion? Bigger risks than cellphones would have to include hot exhausts and vehicle ignition systems.

[popelli]

what the hell would a cellphone do? How would it cause an explosion?

electrical current, petrol vapour and a resultant explosion, it has actually happened

There is a clip floating aroung on U tube of this

[scumdog]

same group of dickheads who sit astride their motorcycles whilst pouring fuel into it.


Hey, I resemble that remark.:oi-grr:

All the time.:yes:

[cindymay]

electrical current, petrol vapour and a resultant explosion, it has actually happened

There is a clip floating aroung on U tube of this
Urban myth.
Even with my knowledge of electrical principles - there needs to be something to ignite the vapour, like a spark. There are no sparks from cell phones. There are lots of sparks from spark plugs, starter engines to start a fire and other sources of hot places like the exhausts. I am amazed there aren't bikes blowing up at servos every day.

[dipshit]

Actually I remember seeing a documentary a while back about cellphone use at petrol stations... and the findings were that it really wasn't much of a problem as a cellphone won't ignite vapour.

The biggest hazard is people who start filling their cars then go back into the car to find their purse/wallet, then risk possibly causing a static shock when touching the nozzle again. The spark happens right where the vapour is. It has happened a lot.

Static discharge is also why they don't want people sitting on their bikes when they are filling them up.

[dipshit]

e.g..


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[Kemet]

Hey, I resemble that remark.:oi-grr:

All the time.:yes:

I can vouch for that!!:Pokey:

In fact I think one of the more recent times the way it seems to work is that CB will roll up to the pump first, fill up and then heave her bike out the way so you can get in and even, EVEN!!! pass you the pump so you don't have to get off!!

Actually.... I can also recall one time where I interceded on her behalf and, being the exceptionally helpful person that I am, took the nozzle from her and passed it to you myself. Saved her walking those last couple of steps!!

Yay for me!! :first:

[MarkH]

electrical current, petrol vapour and a resultant explosion, it has actually happened

There is a clip floating aroung on U tube of this

I'm afraid that electrical current does not ignite vapour - just wont happen.

I checked youtube, the only clip claiming to be a cellphone caused explosion is generally believed to be actually a lighter caused explosion.

I have also seen the mythbusters episode and not only were they unable to reproduce the myth, they also spoke to someone that said there has yet to be a fire where a cellphone was identified as the cause. They did confirm the static electricity ignition source idea though.

[3umph]

I have also seen the mythbusters episode and not only were they unable to reproduce the myth, they also spoke to someone that said there has yet to be a fire where a cellphone was identified as the cause. They did confirm the static electricity ignition source idea though.

correct saw that one as well...

one other thing they thought was if the phone was dropped and caused a spark when the battery comes apart then it may be possible .... but not from using a cell phone...

Static discharge on the other hand is a totally different issue and also saw something on that and that can be an issue

[popelli]

Urban myth.
Even with my knowledge of electrical principles - there needs to be something to ignite the vapour, like a spark.

like static electricity?????


ye of little faith this is just one of dozens of u tube clips

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gct1BmKNvU0&feature=related

[Lucy]

I work part time at a Gas station. Not often behind the counter, but I usually poke my head out of the office when I hear bikes. Some take their helmets off, some don't, some do but I wish they hadn't, some car drivers I wish had full face helmets with black visors. Sometimes I wish I had a helmet on so it didn't hurt so much when I bash my head against the wall.

[MarkH]

like static electricity?????


ye of little faith this is just one of dozens of u tube clips

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gct1BmKNvU0&feature=related

What has a cell phone got to do with static electricity? What does that clip have to do with a cell phone. Most likely you have just posted a link to a clip which shows someone wearing polyester generating static electricity while walking around, then touching near where the fuel is pouring in and a static spark ignites the vapour.

If I was a betting man (and I am to some degree) I would happily bet good money that the cellphone was not the cause of that fire.

[idb]

The whole cellphone issue is bunkum...bunkum and furthermore poppycock...that's right, I said poppycock!!

[Mikkel]

Cellphones.........petrol stations

somebody find the utube link of the cellphone causing an explosion at a petrol station

Cellphones / helmets which actually is the greater risk?

:facepalm:

This is of course common sense at work again. We don't understand a phenomenon so we'll just blame something semi-plausible... Fucking sheep!

The most likely ignition source on a servicestation forecourt is the combination of your jersey and your seat upholstery. Some combinations are very very good a building up static charge when you slide into or out of your seat.

Let's take my cellphone as an example, it runs on a 3.6 V battery. Drawing an arc discharge takes about 30 kV per centimeter. Which mean that - at the most - my cellphone could potentially draw an arc of 1.2 micrometers. In other words - fuck all.

I had an episode with a service station attendant at one point. I was standing away from the pump talking on my cellphone while the pump was filling the car. Ms. Attendant approaches me and says I can't talk on my cellphone on the forecourt. I was very diplomatic at first and told her it was superstition and that everything would be alright and then resumed my conversation. The persistent jobsworth wasn't having it though and stepped up my diplomatic relations by telling her to please not interrupt my call and the ignored her. She was not at all pleased with this - told me I was rude (rich, since it was her disrupting my private phone call not the other way around) and then said she would file a complaint. Can't say I've heard anything though - guess BP doesn't mind paying customers that much anyway.
And yes, there was a sticker on the pump. Guess what it said. It didn't say "no talking on cellphones on the forecourt" it said - "Mobile Phones must be switched off". Yeah fucking right - another example of a poorly thought out rule that no one will ever give a flying fuck about. My first reply to her should instead have been that she should go and make sure that everybody else on the forecourt had switched off their cellphones and then we could talk... :rolleyes:
As with the whole helmet issue, it's about petty people wanting to exercise power over others because they aren't happy with their own lives as they are. Don't give into the mini-hitlerism of such individuals.


The whole cellphone issue is bunkum...bunkum and furthermore poppycock...that's right, I said poppycock!!

Quite so...

[scumdog]

The whole cellphone issue is bunkum...bunkum and furthermore poppycock...that's right, I said poppycock!!

Worse than that - it's untrue!!

[saltydog]

Interesting reply to my email i sent to BP on friday....check it out.

Dear Matt

In response to your email below I have been provided the following information from our Convenience Operations Manager who looks after all our Company Owned and Company Operated Retail Sites in New Zealand ie All BP Connect Service Stations.

There is no formal policy written down, however every store in the Coco Network has the following sticker on the door as customers enter store.

Helmets are ok on the forecourt but not encouraged instore, there is no formal policy that customers will not be served if wearing a helmet but it is certainly encouraged that customers remove them before entering store.



Thanks and kind regards



Shannan Thomson

Road User Charges Administrator

BP Oil New Zealand Limited

New Zealand

I'm glad they think its ok to have helmets on while on the forecourt! imagine having to take it off before you entered the pump area.
And just as I thought, NO FORMAL POLICY regarding the removal of helmets!
I'll be sending a copy of this to the petrol station in question and see if I can fill up there with my helmet on.......
What a bunch of plonkers.

[Mikkel]

Interesting reply to my email i sent to BP on friday....check it out.

Dear Matt

In response to your email below I have been provided the following information from our Convenience Operations Manager who looks after all our Company Owned and Company Operated Retail Sites in New Zealand ie All BP Connect Service Stations.

There is no formal policy written down, however every store in the Coco Network has the following sticker on the door as customers enter store.

Helmets are ok on the forecourt but not encouraged instore, there is no formal policy that customers will not be served if wearing a helmet but it is certainly encouraged that customers remove them before entering store.



Thanks and kind regards



Shannan Thomson

Road User Charges Administrator

BP Oil New Zealand Limited

New Zealand

I'm glad they think its ok to have helmets on while on the forecourt! imagine having to take it off before you entered the pump area.
And just as I thought, NO FORMAL POLICY regarding the removal of helmets!
I'll be sending a copy of this to the petrol station in question and see if I can fill up there with my helmet on.......
What a bunch of plonkers.

Dear Matt,

That is a very interesting reply from BP. Would you be so kind as to follow up and ask why removal of helmet instore is encouraged?

Thanks and kind regards



Mikkel

Road user and dedicated consumer of petrol

KB

New Zealand

[saltydog]

Well Comrade, I couldnt really be bothered with the drama of it all. I've just stopped shopping there....period.
If someone else wants to take up the cause I'll happily supply the womans email address at BP.
You'd probably be pissing into the wind though........
Wankers.
if they were the only petrol station left on earth with gas left....i'd buy an electric bike.

[Laxi]

would you walk in wearing a balaclava? not much dif, and i bet you look at a raghead running around in a burka twice