A must read for all taxpayers!

[Finn]

This is a really interesting read on what really goes on within the public service and how they are wasting our hard earned money. While I'm sure National will be able to change some of these habits, stupidity has been well ingrained by Labour.

This from a current Public Service Manager...

http://publicaddress.net/5743#post

[MSTRS]

Years of habit and cover-your-arse have developed a generation of public servants who live by meetings, committees and reports. And a bunch of auditors who NEVER say "it was pleasing to see that processes were not followed unnecessarily, thereby saving the taxpayer X million dollars". But...but...but...the system isn't broken. Sure, it costs a bit, but that's what it was designed to do.

[Headbanger]

Well, That sure was a lot of making excuses.

[Starky307]

Interesting to read, don't really have a comment yet but I'll organise a meeting and we can form a steering committee to come up with a method or producing the best possible comment.

I know what he is saying, it happens were I work now.

[Brian d marge]

Because only when the normal, sane, silent majority of sensible Kiwis make themselves heard will we start to unravel all the crap law and policy that has built up like fat in a middle aged artery over the last twenty years. We need to be able to sprint at the moment, and it just ain't happening.

Maori , are doing it ... ( just worried about $80 underpants ) ... but the average Kiwi does nought .

One of the benefits that might arise from this current government is a streamlining of process.....( might )

Stephen

[skidMark]

Oh hang on thats not me...

...exits thread.

[Skyryder]

Someone been passed over for promotion, and now having a bitch about the system that he works for. Ohh for fucks sake.:gob: Give me a break.


Skyryder

[Genestho]

I think maybe, that I recognise the hallmarks of communication here.

I recon we're quite lucky that currently we have a Govt and MP's representative of the people that are practical, and "appearing" to listen - across alot of issues, unlike the bunch of ignorant and arrogant reps we had "before" we just need to keep the accelerator on.:2guns:

I know for a fact thAT SOME poli's and average ordinary Kiwis are working hard to make a difference to break down law and order policy, and will continue to do so.:msn-wink:

[Mully]

Oh hang on thats not me...

...exits thread.

HAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

That is probably the single funniest thing I have ever seen you write. Brilliant.

[skidMark]

HAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

That is probably the single funniest thing I have ever seen you write. Brilliant.


Why thankyou, my good sir, but seriously... why am i here? What is the meaning of life.... the purpose of the universe etc etc.

Not that i care, i have no dreams nor aspirations...

Fuck it's great.

[MSTRS]

Not that i care, i have no dreams nor aspirations...

Fuck it's great.

Thought of working in the Public Service? And no, I don't mean PD....

[Forest]

The problem as I see it, is that we have produced a generation of government officials that seem more interested in "the process" than "the outcome".

Unfortunately the attitude is present at all levels. From counter staff to senior public servants, and from local government to central government.

[skidMark]

Thought of working in the Public Service? And no, I don't mean PD....


Sorry what does the 3rd word mean? I am unfamiliar with it?

[Fatjim]

I'd say the first one as well.

[skidMark]

I'd say the first one as well.


You can say all you like, what value it has is what matters.

[Ocean1]

So here's the thing my fellow citizens. In a democracy you get the government you deserve.

Perfectly correct. If you make like Pavlov's dog every time the media find another string to pull what do you expect?

The various departments are HUGELY over-regulated, and I think his estimate of compliance costs is way low. It's quite possible 50% of any given services' expenditure is blown on compliance costs, and the more you bleat about inefficiencies the higher that figure gets.

[Finn]

Maori , are doing it ... ( just worried about $80 underpants ) ... but the average Kiwi does nought

How does filling our prisons, hospitals and WINZ offices help NZ again?

[Brett]

An interesting read. The public sector has over the past 8 or so years done nothing but accumulate middle managers to manage 'processes', just as the author of that piece noted. It is all a by-product of pc liberalism and a pathetic need to be OVERLY transparent in the way a government department handles their affairs that it has become a piss take. A privately run company would have either sacked their CEO's and middle managers by now, or gone under. There is no way on earth to justify the management costs that the likes of the law legislaters, ACC, NZ Police, IRD AND THE GOVT MINISTERS THEMSELVES put towards their 'process management'.

FIRE THEIR ARSES.

[Brett]

How does filling our prisons, hospitals and WINZ offices help NZ again?

It keeps people in jobs :buggerd:

[Brian d marge]

How does filling our prisons, hospitals and WINZ offices help NZ again?that be the thing .. Look how much the govn has just given 4 freeloaders... If white middle middle class starts shouting whatch the money start flowing.. In the mean time .
Tapped put on phone so sorry if it's short

[McDuck]

The way i see it they need to bring in privet sector people that do the stuff. With them in charge things should happen.

They should also be protected from all the BS that the public sector has.

[Tone165]

I was in NZ Army 15 yrs...and most of what is written rings true. I have no doubt that it got worse over the last 15yrs (since I got out) and as a contractor, I still get to see the evidence of mindless beurocracy at work with Council and local govt jobs.

[Noidy]

It unfortunately filters through to the private sector. The public sector push their processes through and the private is forced to follow. Health and Safety policies must be the bane of every manager and small business owner. Employment and following "due process" in hiring, retaining and (if you can) firing staff. Complete wastes of time, energy and money. Just get on with the job at hand and dont get distracted by the BS

[McJim]

It's not the civil servants I have a problem with it's elected mps who would rather argue about whose fault this was, who shoved a tennis ball in whose mouth and how much someone paid for their election campaign.

They would be better making things slicker rather than talking shite all the time.

[Brian d marge]

but the she ll be right attitude has a lot to answer for..... possibly why these "regulations" were brought in ...some of the horror stories I have heard from the meat works industry ,,,

Common-sense and a little less testosterone would be the order of the day me thinks...

Stephen