FFM helmets

[Armitage Shanks]

I bought an FFM M9 a few months ago and it fits well etc but I've noticed it's very bulky and seems heavy compared to Helmets priced a little north of what I paid. Also I get a lot of buffeting at higher speeds 130 + . I'm gonna buy a new one but, does anyone have an M9 with the same experience?

I've decided I'll pay up to around 700 for a good hat and I'm mindful of the SHARP ratings but that won't dictate my decision. My head is big on size but , I'm told, a little challenged on brain-power .

And, why is an FFM like mine so much cheaper than a Shoei or suchlike ?

[pete376403]

You're not paying for image, major advertising or racer sponsorship. I have an FFM, flip front model. Seems OK, although I wont find out for sure until I crash. I'm trusting that the standard that applies to it was truly earned.

[Pwalo]

I've still got my M9 as a back up helmet. I reckon it's not too bad in the weight and stability stakes, but I imagine the buffeting may depend on the bike you ride, height etc.

So saying my XR1000 is much nicer.

[phaedrus]

I had an FFM flip front. it worked as advertised but this time i'm using something a little lighter

[Gizzit]

I've got a Shoei XR1000 which is the most comfortable/best helmet I have ever owned .... and just the other day I bought an FFM Toupro 2 as a second helmet .... to use on my scoot going to work. I like the FFM. I think the weight is good. The flip top FFM is a little heavier, but it is also good. I think they make bloody good helmets, and at reasonable prices. Like someone else has said ... Shoei and others have an image ..... and price to go with them .... but they ARE great helmets! I think an FFM would do the job in a crash, and I have no issues about wearing one ...

As someone mentioned, the buffeting may be something to do with your bike, and any screen/fairing that it has ?.... In saying that ... I haven't had a look at your profile to see what you ride .... but yeah the bike can contribute to buffeting. Your FFM M9 is a good model from reviews, and look to be pretty aerodynamic.
Best of luck.

[want-a-harley]

got an M9 myself, would be interested to hear what difference the extra dough makes.

[Gizzit]

got an M9 myself, would be interested to hear what difference the extra dough makes.

I think FFM has been around for about 30 years in NZ. I'm sure they are a good quality helmet, and will do the job they are designed for .... protecting your swede in a crash. They meet the required safety standards for NZ, and in other countries.

Have you tried on a top line (read ... expensive) helmet ? If you get a model that fits well ... you would probably notice how comfortable they can be.

Shoei, AVG, Arai, etc, have been used in racing ... on and off road for a number of years, and are proven as reliable ... and have ongoing research and development programs ... and that is reflected in their prices.

At the end of the day ... it depends on what you want/can afford, and as long as you get a helmet that fits you really well, i.e. is the correct size for you, and it has passed our NZ safety requirements .... IMHO, I don't think you can go too far wrong.

[Kungfaux]

I have an FFM, flip front model. Seems OK, although I wont find out for sure until I crash. I'm trusting that the standard that applies to it was truly earned.


I had an FFM flip front. it worked as advertised but this time i'm using something a little lighter

Hey guys, i'm looking to buy an FFM flip helmet, the K4 model.
What models are yours? Where did you buy them? I've been looking for information about them but its rather scarce on google!
One i'm looking at: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Helmets-clothing-footwear/Helmets/auction-213790185.htm

[Ojai]

Hey guys, i'm looking to buy an FFM flip helmet, the K4 model.
What models are yours? Where did you buy them? I've been looking for information about them but its rather scarce on google!
One i'm looking at: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Helmets-clothing-footwear/Helmets/auction-213790185.htm

Make sure you try one on in a store first.

[Ecclesnz]

Hey guys, i'm looking to buy an FFM flip helmet, the K4 model.
What models are yours? Where did you buy them? I've been looking for information about them but its rather scarce on google!
One i'm looking at: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Helmets-clothing-footwear/Helmets/auction-213790185.htm
I have one of those helmets. It is heavier than the dearer models but it is comfortable, slightly noisier than the full face helmets but absolutely no regrets. But then the extra weight does not bother me, I am built like a brick outhouse.

As has been pointed out proper fit is the most important factor (aside from meeting safety ratings). Go to somewhere that sells them and try on a few to find the best fit. It _is_ worth the time and effort to find the best fit.

[Taz]

If you want an excellent flip front helmet I'd recommend the Shoei Multitech. The vents even work and keep the visor clear. Think the RRP is $699.

[awayatc]

Got a FFM M9 myself.....for my head a very comfortable fit....
Buffeting as has been mentioned is more your bike...
the weight is marked on the back, and I don't think it is heavier then most other helmets.
If you want to increase your comfort, wear earplugs and a balaclava.

[Kevin G]

I cannot believe what I am reading....are you for real? It may seem like an old cliche but believe it or not you get what you pay for! Same as everything in life. FFM helmets are low quality, cheap arse plain old nasty bits of crap. Do yourselves a favour and try a real helmet, you will laugh that you thought FFM's were ok. FFM are mass produced to the lowest possible price and when price is the key target guess what suffers...yes thats right quality, design, R&d , testing all the things you really want to be done with what is the only thing protecting your head.
Ask yourself this question. What is my head worth to me? Probably more than $150 or what ever you pay for a FFM.

Sorry if this insults users of FFM's but it is itended to wake you up.

[MDR2]

I have a Nitro N750-VX, pretty light helmet. but what I thought was a good fit was actually a little loose, no biggie was only $220, so I went out and brought a FFM M9 much more of a snug fit and of a similar weight... at least thats what my neck and arm meters tell me without looking at stats. I ride a fully faired bike at present and don't notice too much in the way of buffeting.

I hope to own a naked in the next while and i'll let you know if theres a differince then :)

If its of any consequence, FFM are no longer made in NZ, im not even sure if the name is kiwi owned even, anyone know?

The FFM models are exactly the same as the nitro models i notice.

One 'issue' I do have with the M9 is the lack of padding around the ears. once your up to speed the wind noise is terrible. I'll need to get some plugs before i get too deaf.

[jaymzw]

I cannot believe what I am reading....are you for real? It may seem like an old cliche but believe it or not you get what you pay for! Same as everything in life. FFM helmets are low quality, cheap arse plain old nasty bits of crap. Do yourselves a favour and try a real helmet, you will laugh that you thought FFM's were ok. FFM are mass produced to the lowest possible price and when price is the key target guess what suffers...yes thats right quality, design, R&d , testing all the things you really want to be done with what is the only thing protecting your head.
Ask yourself this question. What is my head worth to me? Probably more than $150 or what ever you pay for a FFM.

Sorry if this insults users of FFM's but it is itended to wake you up.

Damn you Kevin, i feel like i need a new lid now :argh:

I have a matte black M9 with silver visor,

It looks cool but then again it was only $250 from memory.
As has already been said, fitment is the greatest thing to consider when buying a helmet

[NordieBoy]

I cannot believe what I am reading....are you for real? It may seem like an old cliche but believe it or not you get what you pay for! Same as everything in life. FFM helmets are low quality, cheap arse plain old nasty bits of crap. Do yourselves a favour and try a real helmet, you will laugh that you thought FFM's were ok. FFM are mass produced to the lowest possible price and when price is the key target guess what suffers...yes thats right quality, design, R&d , testing all the things you really want to be done with what is the only thing protecting your head.
Ask yourself this question. What is my head worth to me? Probably more than $150 or what ever you pay for a FFM.

Sorry if this insults users of FFM's but it is itended to wake you up.
I cannot believe what I am reading....are you for real?

If it passes the standard, is comfortable and the noise levels are acceptable then what's the problem?

My Zeus 2100b cost $195 and it fit me better and is quieter than the $800 Arai Tour X I also tried.

[Kevin G]

Yes fitment is very important that is why "real helmets" come with different size padding sets so they can be fitted exactly to your head and face.
As Arai state, "there is a difference". Try one, go on treat yourself.

[Laxi]

I bought an r-jays for $180 (on sale), learnt a lot from that, it meets standards but shit is it noisy (deafining at any speed over 70km), has no wind protection so my neck is constantly cold, and the the fog gaurd never stays in the centre and is so small its a joke

[Ixion]

I have an FFM Mach I helmet. I have had it for about 25 years, it is now my reserve helmet , but still in good nick. I cannot now remember what it cost, but I believe that I have had good service and good value from it.

It is quieter and more comfortable (by a significant margin) than either my HCL summitoruver or my Nitro thingy.

I would be happy to reccomend the brand.

[Kevin G]

I cannot believe what I am reading....are you for real?

If it passes the standard, is comfortable and the noise levels are acceptable then what's the problem?

My Zeus 2100b cost $195 and it fit me better and is quieter than the $800 Arai Tour X I also tried.

$190 head $190 dollar helmet! It passes the standard (tui moment) yeah right! the one they submitted for testing might have passed but what about all the ones falling out of injection moulding machines being run by completely unskilled workers in China.

[Ixion]

A fool and his money are soon parted.

[Ecclesnz]

I cannot believe what I am reading....are you for real?

If it passes the standard, is comfortable and the noise levels are acceptable then what's the problem?

Pretty much what I was thinking. If it meets NZ safety standards why is that not good enought to protect my head? Yes the dearer helmets are made of lighter materials and some of them may look cooler, but where do you draw the line?

[Ojai]

$190 head $190 dollar helmet! It passes the standard (tui moment) yeah right! the one they submitted for testing might have passed but what about all the ones falling out of injection moulding machines being run by completely unskilled workers in China.

Um, what?

If it passes SHARP, it passes SHARP. It's not a matter of a manufacturer sending over a special helmet.

You don't like FFM, we get that. But it doesn't necessarily make it unsafe.

[Kevin G]

I can only suggest you do more research as I can see I am beating my head against a wall, but it is OK I am wearing a decent helmet.
Just because it passes the minimum standard does not make it as good as other more high end helmets.

[xwhatsit]

FFM helmets are low quality, cheap arse plain old nasty bits of crap. Do yourselves a favour and try a real helmet, you will laugh that you thought FFM's were ok. FFM are mass produced to the lowest possible price and when price is the key target guess what suffers...yes thats right quality, design, R&d , testing all the things you really want to be done with what is the only thing protecting your head.
Ask yourself this question. What is my head worth to me? Probably more than $150 or what ever you pay for a FFM.
Boy, you really bought into the fancy-pants racer-boy helmet marketing, didn't you? :laugh:

Oh well, it's your money.

[Ojai]

I can only suggest you do more research as I can see I am beating my head against a wall, but it is OK I am wearing a decent helmet.
Just because it passes the minimum standard does not make it as good as other more high end helmets.

I wear a Shoei RAID II, but that's because I have an enormous head and it fit the best. If the FFM had fit the best, I would have bought that.

The Shoei may be a bit better designed, and quieter, but the FFM will be safe. And, let's be straight here, not everyone has $600 for a helmet.

[MDR2]

since i first waded into this thread i've been doing research and can't find anything that suggests a 800 branded helmet is any better then a 200 non branded helmet.

Infact the only in depth article I could find was from the early 2000's where they were harping on about DOT and snell and lo and behold a Lowly HJC helmet was rated second best along side some of the better helmets about.

Could you point me in the direction your information im keen to carry on reading.

Careful how hard you bang your head on the wall too, even good helmets are only good for one hit ;)

[Ixion]

Some years ago, Mrs Ixion bought herself a new handbag. That in itself was not unusual, like most chicks she is constantly buying such stuff.

What was unusual was that this particular handbag was extraordinarily expensive. Insanely expensive, in fact, I could have bought quite a decent bike for what it cost.

Pointing that out to her was not a wise move. Fortunately, our lounge couch is quite comfortable to sleep on. I knew not whereof I spoke, she told me.

A little later we went to Hong Kong . And I espied, in the markets there , handbags apparently identical to her overpriced one. For a mere fraction of the price. She had it with her. I compared it, and the ones in the market quite minutely. Some of the cheap ones (and they were less than a 20th of the price of hers) were , for all practical purposes, identical . Just far more sensibly priced (I mean, how much *should* one pay just for a bag to carry around a lot of clutter).The quality appeare dto be just as good, the materials as good.

I told her about the cheap bags, identical to hers. What a pity, I said, that you did not know when you bought that very expesive bag, that they could be had so cheaply up here. You could have saved a huge amount of money

That was a mistake. Fortunately, the couch in our hotel room was quite comfortable for sleeping on. She did know, she told me, that bags apparently (her emphasis) identical could be had very cheaply (and not just in Hong Kong apparently). But the cheap ones are NOT the same she said. I then made another mistake, by asking what the difference was, for I could see none. Well, it seems that the difference was in the name on the label. The cheap ones had a different label. When I expressed incredulity that a label could justify a price tag of around $1000 (I must confess the term rip-off wqas used) I was told, again, that I knew not whereof I spoke. (her phrasing was briefer).

I still cannot see why chicks are willing to pay through the nose just for a name. But there it is, they will do so. In exactly the same way some people are willing to pay through the nose for the label on a helmet. And not just chicks, either. Though I suspect that the riders who put such store in a lable have more than that in common with chicks.

If Louis Vitton branched out into the helmet business they would make a fortune.

Actually, I wonder if there is a business opportunity here. Based on the sales of expensive label helmets , I bet that there'd be a good market in selling overpriced handbags to bikers.

EDIT: I should clarify that Mrs I is not normally extravagant. The item was to mark a very special occasion, and the price not at all begrudged.

[pete376403]

$190 head $190 dollar helmet! It passes the standard (tui moment) yeah right! the one they submitted for testing might have passed but what about all the ones falling out of injection moulding machines being run by completely unskilled workers in China.

Please post (with citations) any information you have with regard to riders who have suffered head injuries in crashes due to wearing a sub-standard FFM helmets.
(note: "a guy you were talking to at the pub" does not count)

[Laxi]

as a side note to that, in bali you can buy levis jeans for $15, not only do they look the same but they even come from the same factory

[xwhatsit]

Where's that article everybody posts up links to with the helmet test where they drop a bunch onto concrete from on high? I think some $110 turd comes out number one.

Yeah! This one: http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/gearbox/motorcycle_helmet_review/index.html

I know logic and paying attention to detail isn't the forté of label-fiends but it's worthwhile taking the time to read it.

[mctshirt]

Please post (with citations) any information you have with regard to riders who have suffered head injuries in crashes due to wearing a sub-standard FFM helmets.
(note: "a guy you were talking to at the pub" does not count)

What about a mate's friend's wife's cousin's boyfriend - they're usually a reliable source of scientific evidence :2thumbsup

[Bonez]

$190 head $190 dollar helmet! I've had a few nocks on the noggin with FFMs on over years I've been riding and I'm still here to tell the tale. I'll be buying another FFM provided it fits properly.

[awayatc]

I cannot believe what I am reading....are you for real? It may seem like an old cliche but believe it or not you get what you pay for! Same as everything in life. FFM helmets are low quality, cheap arse plain old nasty bits of crap. Do yourselves a favour and try a real helmet, you will laugh that you thought FFM's were ok. FFM are mass produced to the lowest possible price and when price is the key target guess what suffers...yes thats right quality, design, R&d , testing all the things you really want to be done with what is the only thing protecting your head.
Ask yourself this question. What is my head worth to me? Probably more than $150 or what ever you pay for a FFM.

Sorry if this insults users of FFM's but it is itended to wake you up.

Hope the helmet you wearing has a big visor....
Big enough for your boot....
Foot in mouth comes to mind....

[NordieBoy]

Yes fitment is very important that is why "real helmets" come with different size padding sets so they can be fitted exactly to your head and face.
As Arai state, "there is a difference". Try one, go on treat yourself.

As the aformentioned $195 Zeus does.

[Gizzit]

Yes fitment is very important that is why "real helmets" come with different size padding sets so they can be fitted exactly to your head and face.
As Arai state, "there is a difference". Try one, go on treat yourself.


You don't know what you're talking about

[Kevin G]

Lets do it another way. Show me someone doing this in an FFM and still remain concious. Count the hits at 200MPH!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x36by1_bike-crash-nakano-crashes-skids-at_sport

I know a lot of people are happy with the FFM, all I am saying is that it is not as good as other helmets, "there is a difference" end of my story.

[xwhatsit]

Lets do it another way. Show me someone doing this in an FFM and still remain concious. Count the hits at 200MPH!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x36by1_bike-crash-nakano-crashes-skids-at_sport

I know a lot of people are happy with the FFM, all I am saying is that it is not as good as other helmets, "there is a difference" end of my story.
There's an article I posted earlier which has a large number of different manufacturers' helmets, doing actual, real, same-on-every-helmet testing.

Whereas your response is one guy crashing a bike in an Arai helmet and saying you wouldn't want to do it in an FFM?

Because that's a convincing argument based on fact :rolleyes:

[Ojai]

Lets do it another way. Show me someone doing this in an FFM and still remain concious. Count the hits at 200MPH!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x36by1_bike-crash-nakano-crashes-skids-at_sport

I know a lot of people are happy with the FFM, all I am saying is that it is not as good as other helmets, "there is a difference" end of my story.

I don't see your point here. How does one helmet's performance mean anything about another helmet?

You say that FFM isn't as safe, but you show no evidence of that except for brand awareness.

How is an FFM not as good as other helmets? Which helmets are it worse than, and in what way? Which ones is it better than?

What crash/safety ratings are you basing your conclusions on?

[Kevin G]

I pick the real world over simulations in a lab any day. Challange stands show me real world proof.
Here is an interesting video about helmet fit, worth a look. http://www.araiamericas.com/default.aspx?pageid=160
Also some articles on this site explaining some of the points of difference between hand made and mass produced items

[jrandom]

*links to Arai marketing material*

One begins to suspect that you're an idiot.

[Ojai]

I pick the real world over simulations in a lab any day. Challange stands show me real world proof.
Here is an interesting video about helmet fit, worth a look. http://www.araiamericas.com/default.aspx?pageid=160
Also some articles on this site explaining some of the points of difference between hand made and mass produced items

Here is proof.

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/gearbox/motorcycle_helmet_review/index.html

If you want real world though, please feel free to run up to 200kph and fall off your bike wearing an Arai, then getting up and doing the same with an FFM.

But you don't need to, due to something called the scientific method, which was applied in the experiments covered in the article you seem to want to pretend doesn't exist.


One begins to suspect that you're an idiot.

This too.

[awayatc]

Xwhatsit and Ojai post a link to a very usefull and informative article.
It takes time to read it though....
And a few braincells to process that information....
But my head is worth it...
So I did....
Thanks,
I was quite happy with my FFM,
and after reading all of this,
I still am...
Just better informed.

[Gizzit]

I pick the real world over simulations in a lab any day. Challange stands show me real world proof.
Here is an interesting video about helmet fit, worth a look. http://www.araiamericas.com/default.aspx?pageid=160
Also some articles on this site explaining some of the points of difference between hand made and mass produced items

You don't know what you're talking about.

[nagaraya]

Here's a couple of articles about the Sharp helmet ratings and a range of brands compare to each other... might be worth a read.

http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-helmets/sharp-helmet-rating-system.htm

http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-helmets/motorcycle-helmet-faq.htm

[Kungfaux]

I pick the real world over simulations in a lab any day. Challange stands show me real world proof.
Here is an interesting video about helmet fit, worth a look. http://www.araiamericas.com/default.aspx?pageid=160
Also some articles on this site explaining some of the points of difference between hand made and mass produced items


One begins to suspect that you're an idiot.

This is so amusing!:clap:

[NordieBoy]

I pick the real world over simulations in a lab any day. Challange stands show me real world proof.
Here is an interesting video about helmet fit, worth a look. http://www.araiamericas.com/default.aspx?pageid=160
Also some articles on this site explaining some of the points of difference between hand made and mass produced items

I suppose you're one of those who would get a new helmet after knocking your current one off the bike onto the concrete?

[kevfromcoro]

well iam on my second FFM and i find them fine.
going with nordies coments on the subject..
second thoughts..think i might stay out of a thread that is ..how fast you go is how much you spend.

i have a shimano fishing rod worth a fotune..and i catch more on my hand line

[_STAIN_]

I've had a few nocks on the noggin with FFMs on over years I've been riding and I'm still here to tell the tale. I'll be buying another FFM provided it fits properly.

The big difference is they used to be made in Waihi until around 5 years ago, now made in China but appear to be retaining reasonable standards....so far

[mctshirt]

i have a shimano fishing rod worth a fotune..and i catch more on my hand line

One of the most unfortunates truths out there - the fish have no idea how much a well heeled angler's gold plated fishing scene etched big game reel cost. Golf clubs have a similar thing going.

As for helmets I am of the view that at a certain dollar value you are buying no more protection merely increasing comfort levels.

[Bonez]

The big difference is they used to be made in Waihi until around 5 years ago, now made in China but appear to be retaining reasonable standards....so farNo reason they shouldn't continue to produce a reasonable product that meets international safety standards.. I personnally prefer the double D staps to fancy fastenings.

To quote the Aria press blurb-

"2. Why are all Arai helmets equipped with the 'Double D' ring fastner?

The 'Double D' ring is at the moment the safest way to fasten a helmet. A so-called quick fastener may be damaged or the build-up of dirt inside may influence the functioning of the device. Don't forget that grand prix racers are obliged to use a similar system as the 'Double D' ring for racing use!"

Funnily enough "budget" helmets have this "feature".

Heres a site that may benefit some looking for a new helmet-

http://www.best-motorcycle-gear.com/motorcycle-helmet.html

[Tim 39]

You don't know what you're talking about.

I can assure you that he does in fact know what he's talking about.

I race (for those that don't know me I won the 125GP road race nationals) and I used to wear an FFM. I was under the same influence about the safety standars etc. My FFM didn't fit very well, and even the visor leaked when racing in the wet because it had been manufactured so poorly. Also other than a basic ratcheting system there was nothing actually holding the visor down, so in a crash it got ripped up and off (leaving face exposed) This was an M7 by the way.

I was quickly learning that the helmet standards were kind of like the driving standards... everyone has a licence so theyre a good driver, right??

I personally know of 5 road racers that have worn FFM helmets including myself. 2 complain about the fit, 1 had to replace the liner every 3 race meetings due to poor fitting and then there was me who didn't like the fit. So who do they actually fit? monkeys? basketballs?

I also know of a guy that crashed on the road while only doing about 140KM/h and his cheap HJC had split open like an egg... what if it had been at 160k and he rolled an extra time on his bare head?.... I know also of another cheap HJC at a race meeting at levels that left the guy with a grazed forehead (mighty lucky) because he highsided and the handlebar pulled his helmet clean off his head because the clip broke and then the helmet just came off.

As Kevin said with regards to manufacturing, Arai have someone highly paid checking the shells of each individual helmet and signing their own name to it so as theyre personally responsible in case of a defect. do FFM?

As for me, I saw the light eventually and got an Arai. What a difference! the fit was far superior and the visor shuts properly and locks down so it doesnt fly open in a crash etc etc. An arai has 12 different padding/liner options to fit all of the different kinds of heads, so if you don't like the fit you're able to do something about it!

I'm an aeroplane pilot during the week, so I obviously need to be careful with the gear that I choose to wear when I go racing. That's why I wear an Arai FACT!

[Tim 39]

Richard Hammond claims that it was his Arai that saved his life in his massive crash, and I bet that's all he'll wear from no on. Shaun Harris was wearing an Arai when he survived his Isle Of Man crash also... the list goes on

[Bonez]

the fit was far superior and the visor shuts properly and locks down so it doesnt fly open in a crash etc etc.Look very closely at what happened to the visor in the video Kevin posted.

[Virago]

Richard Hammond claims that it was his Arai that saved his life in his massive crash, and I bet that's all he'll wear from no on. Shaun Harris was wearing an Arai when he survived his Isle Of Man crash also... the list goes on

So wearing Arai is likely to result in a violent crash? They sound dangerous to me... :rolleyes:

[Tim 39]

Look very closely at what happened to the visor in the video Kevin posted.

I'm sure at that sort of speed, the visor wont stay. I was more referring to the lower speed crashes that I've experienced in both helemt types

[Bonez]

I'm sure at that sort of speed, the visor wont stay. I was more referring to the lower speed crashes that I've experienced in both helemt typesGeniunely interested. What sort of speeds? The more info folk get the better.

[xwhatsit]

So we're back to the same sort of `evidence' we were getting earlier -- anecdotal stories from people who've forked out for the ability to splash `ARAI' across their foreheads.

[Tim 39]

Geniunely interested. What sort of speeds? The more info folk get the better.

Most of my crashes have occured between 100 and 150. generally it was when I ended up on the grass run off, that the visor on the FFM would get opened (the HJC I had beofre it did it too)

[Bonez]

Most of my crashes have occured between 100 and 150. generally it was when I ended up on the grass run off, that the visor on the FFM would get opened (the HJC I had beofre it did it too)Thanks for sharing.

I'll share a few of mine.

Ok I dropped one of my bikes on a corner at wearing an FFM Tour Pro 2 around 100kph.s. The visor remained intact. Stayed on when I was blown off my bike on the Napier-Taihape rd a month or so later, then after a mid air flip into a paddock having hit a concrete strainer post. It was a bad year.

Bit different from a racing situation admittedly.

[Tim 39]

So we're back to the same sort of `evidence' we were getting earlier -- anecdotal stories from people who've forked out for the ability to splash `ARAI' across their foreheads.

The evidence I shared is the best kind of evidence available. They are real people and real crashes that I have been witness to. what better type is there when talking about helmets?

Lab tests - so far in all of my racing and all of my riding... I haven't yet had a sharp object dropped on me..... so this is relevant?

And for the record... I'm not one that cares about brands and 'being seen' with certain things or whatever... I just rate products on how I find them... that's it

[Bonez]

The evidence I shared is the best kind of evidence available. They are real people and real crashes that I have been witness to. what better type is there when talking about helmets?

Lab tests - so far in all of my racing and all of my riding... I haven't yet had a sharp object dropped on me..... so this is relevant?

And for the record... I'm not one that cares about brands and 'being seen' with certain things or whatever... I just rate products on how I find them... that's itFair enough too. I certainly know what its like being hit on the head without any coverage at all. Was clouted by a Macchi 339 canopy while inspecting an ejection seat 9 years ago. Never been the same since :blink:

I think the SNELL test is the one that uses a sharp object.

[Ojai]

The evidence I shared is the best kind of evidence available. They are real people and real crashes that I have been witness to. what better type is there when talking about helmets?

Lab tests - so far in all of my racing and all of my riding... I haven't yet had a sharp object dropped on me..... so this is relevant?

And for the record... I'm not one that cares about brands and 'being seen' with certain things or whatever... I just rate products on how I find them... that's it

Personal anectodes are useful, but so is laboratory testing. Correlation does not always equal causation. Bonez is saying that the FFM worked well in his crashes. That is also real world, and just as relevant as yours.

[Bonez]

Personal anectodes are useful, but so is laboratory testing. Correlation does not always equal causation. Bonez is saying that the FFM worked well in his crashes. That is also real world, and just as relevant as yours.It should also be pointed out the FFMs worked in Tims crashes as well save the visor opening even when it wasn't a good fit.

[Ojai]

It should also be pointed out the FFMs worked in Tims crashes as well save the visor opening even when it wasn't a good fit.

I noticed he kept saying how the fit was wrong, but didn't want to go on about it.

But I keep hearing how the fit is the most important part. And if it doesn't fit right like he says...

[Tim 39]

I noticed he kept saying how the fit was wrong, but didn't want to go on about it.

But I keep hearing how the fit is the most important part. And if it doesn't fit right like he says...

Yes it didn't fit correctly (could be lifted quite high at the back due to lack of lower support) and I tried all the other models and sizes.

The people in the shop of course told me that it fitted fine because apparently they know how to fit helmets? not sure who trained them because I knew it myself and then the scruitineers at the race tracks also commented.

The fit of the helmet wasn't the only thing that put me off it, because it was obvious to me that there was very little care taken when they made it. (for example the visor leaked becasue it didn't seal, the dome thing that fits into the strap to stop it flapping fell out and so if I'd kept using it the strap would've frayed etc etc)

so that was all the stuff that I could see.... what about the stuff I cant see? what was it like?

I'm not trying to say that if you crash in an FFM helmet you'll die, but what I am trying to say is that if I had the choice of helmets before a big crash I'd pay the extra and get the Arai. I'd do that simply because even if it worked a tiny bit better and that was just enough to save my head and its conents... I'd feel better off. The way I see it, heads and brains aren't readily for sale so I cant decide after the crash to buy a new one.

Basicly I'm personally not willing to take the chance

[Ojai]

Yes it didn't fit correctly (could be lifted quite high at the back due to lack of lower support) and I tried all the other models and sizes.

The people in the shop of course told me that it fitted fine because apparently they know how to fit helmets? not sure who trained them because I knew it myself and then the scruitineers at the race tracks also commented.

The fit of the helmet wasn't the only thing that put me off it, because it was obvious to me that there was very little care taken when they made it. (for example the visor leaked becasue it didn't seal, the dome thing that fits into the strap to stop it flapping fell out and so if I'd kept using it the strap would've frayed etc etc)

so that was all the stuff that I could see.... what about the stuff I cant see? what was it like?

I'm not trying to say that if you crash in an FFM helmet you'll die, but what I am trying to say is that if I had the choice of helmets before a big crash I'd pay the extra and get the Arai. I'd do that simply because even if it worked a tiny bit better and that was just enough to save my head and its conents... I'd feel better off. The way I see it, heads and brains aren't readily for sale so I cant decide after the crash to buy a new one.

Basicly I'm personally not willing to take the chance

I wear a Shoei, because it fits the best. If it didn't fit, I would have bought the one that fit me the best. The FFM didn't fit your head shape, so wouldn't be the best choice for you. That may not be the same for other people, though.

Arais don't fit me very well, for instance.

The more expensive one doesn't necessarily work a lot better in a crash.That report that has been linked to several times in the thread shows the cheaper plastic one often protects better. What you'll get is a higher level of fit and finish (as you have said), better sound proofing, and usually a lighter helmet.

I guess I try to be aware of what is brand awareness, what is fit and finish, and what is protection.

[Ecclesnz]

Ok, so after all the posts and experiences from a lot of people it seems to come down to the fact that it's your choice.

FFM helmets are made to meet (and probably exceed) NZ's safety standards. That being said there is probably a case to be made for buying one of the dearer helmets if you don't think you will be riding under 100km/h (be it track or road).

As you have read, different people different experiences. Some have had FFM helmets for ages, been through some crashes and been fine.

But then it's the same as cars - not everyoe buys the car that has the highest safety rating, ABS, stability control, 85 different air bags and speed limiters to make sure we don't go over 45 km/h.

If it was the case where any of the cheaper helmets were not meeting safety standards they would certainly be taken off the market quickly.

[NordieBoy]

That being said there is probably a case to be made for buying one of the dearer helmets if you don't think you will be riding under 100km/h (be it track or road).

Or a similar or even cheaper helmet that's not an FFM?

[mctshirt]

Yes it didn't fit correctly (could be lifted quite high at the back due to lack of lower support) and I tried all the other models and sizes.

The people in the shop of course told me that it fitted fine because apparently they know how to fit helmets? not sure who trained them because I knew it myself and then the scruitineers at the race tracks also commented.


So you knowingly bought a helmet that didn't fit properly - are you after a Darwin Award or something?

[Ecclesnz]

Or a similar or even cheaper helmet that's not an FFM?

Personally I'm very happy with my FFM. You can choose whatever helmet you want in my opinion, it's your head, it's your money. Unless someone knowing and deliberately buys a helmet that's either incorrectly fitting or not up to safety standards I honestly don't care.

Shhh don't tell the safety nazi's but I'm considering an open face helmet for my cruiser in summer.

[Bonez]

Shhh don't tell the safety nazi's but I'm considering an open face helmet for my cruiser in summer.Oh all right ;)

[Bonez]

Can anyone out there in www land please explain to with regards to Arai helmets what "virtualy 100% handmade" mean? Preferably someone who has actually been to their factory and seen the whole manufacturing process in action.


Here's a wee tip for those with older Arai helmets-
http://www.kawasakimotorcycle.org/forum/what-i-learned-today/103333-fixing-arai-helmet-trim-strips-vinyl-glue.html

Find this an interesting read-
http://www.triumphrat.net/helmets/59037-arai-not-happy-with-i-them-2.html

[Ecclesnz]

Oh all right ;)
May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your leathers :P

[Bonez]

May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your leathers :PThats cool. I've retired my one piece(last saw action being ripped to peices in a sidcar oopsy) and the jacket I've had for 20 years or so isn't used that much now. Also the Dogs dead and the nextdoors cats scatter at the sight of me....

[Ecclesnz]

Yes, I'm sure many remember your one piece :P

[Bonez]

Yes, I'm sure many remember your one piece :POuch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[bimotabob]

Hi,

Can anyone explain what the safety standards involve?
As I am led to believe the cheap rubbish helmets like FFM etc, make their helmets just to pass this test where as the quality helmets like Shoei make their helmets to be as safe as possible.
I was told the test they do isn't scientific enough to really mean a helmet is safe enough at all.
A helmet needs to absorb a lot of energy in an impact.
Having worked in the bike industry and listened to various seminars etc I can say with some knowlege that expensive helmets are not just "paying for the name"
Racing folk will tell you that.

Cheers

[Bonez]

Have a read of the Motorcyclist article linked above for a start. A couple of the big players didn't like the outcome and pulled sponsership from the site for some strange reason.

Realworld examples by Tim and myself of offs (Tims lid was ill fitting, confirmed by racing scutineers no less) in this thread has shown that "rubbish FFMs(two totally different models)" have in fact done the job. Tim is still flying and I'm still doing a 40 hour week doing some quite physical work. We're both still riding.

[NordieBoy]

Shhh don't tell the safety nazi's but I'm considering an open face helmet for my cruiser in summer.

I adventure ride in mine.
Also great for photographing x-country races and doing trail rides...

There's even pictorial proof.

Dammit.

[Armitage Shanks]

I have to say, as the originator of this thread there probably is nothing wrong with the FFM helmets at all, rather I was asking if anyone had had experiences with buffeting etc. Turns out I'm the dumphaark as my M9 was actually too big. I bought it from a B- shop in a hurry and turns out it's about two sizes too big ( explains why the wind wants to wrench it off and cast it aside at anything over 100ks ) .

I have an FFM for my off road bikes and, best helmet I've owned , fitting wise and looks very sharp excuse the pun.

Since bought a Shoei XR1000 and at $649 and 300k's later reckon I've done OK , still fogs up though ...time for another Milo , 3 sugars please:bye:

[Bonez]

I have to say, as the originator of this thread there probably is nothing wrong with the FFM helmets at all, rather I was asking if anyone had had experiences with buffeting etc. Turns out I'm the dumphaark as my M9 was actually too big. I bought it from a B- shop in a hurry and turns out it's about two sizes too big ( explains why the wind wants to wrench it off and cast it aside at anything over 100ks ) .

I have an FFM for my off road bikes and, best helmet I've owned , fitting wise and looks very sharp excuse the pun.

Since bought a Shoei XR1000 and at $649 and 300k's later reckon I've done OK , still fogs up though ...time for another Milo , 3 sugars please:bye:Good on ya for finding something suitable.:wari: