Campaign for clean tyres

[vgcspares]

Given that the accepted doctrine of dealers and tire vendors is that a warning to take care when riding on new tires absolves them of any liability :

"You twat I told you to be careful !"

and given that we don't drive cars (which you can't fall off of when new tires have been fitted)

Why aren't we campaigning for them to do something about it instead of just sitting there smirking, taking side-bets on who will fall off and saying I told you so when it happens ??????

[YellowDog]

If you are talking about the slippery oil residue on new tyres, then yes they should do something about it. Surely there is some kind of alcohol based solvent they could brush the tyres with to prevent the 'bleeding obvious' occuring?

[Blackshear]

Having not fallen off new tyres yet (Only two tyres, but touch wood), Don't hit me for saying you just need to be THAT careful.
I am, however, fully with you on the 'scrub it first it goes on my bike' idea. It's always puzzled me, and figured it mustn't be that big of a deal.

[FROSTY]

Could be that they are asking you not to be a friggin eejut.
In my experience the amount of "slippery stuff" on the new generation tyres is stuff all.

[vifferman]

Apparently many/some of the newer tyres come from moulds where a silicon-based mould releasing agent is not used, so it's not really an issue.
Certainly my Avon Storms weren't slippery when new, and when I asked about it, that's what I was told.

[ManDownUnder]

I hear what you're saying but in my couple of years of riding I haven't had any problems going easy till the stuff wore off...

Maybe they should check my license and put training wheels on the thing too if I don't have the mileage? There comes a point at which personal responsibility kicks in. Hard to say exactly where that is - and this topic is probably around about it.

Be aware of the hazard and ride accordingly. If you're not sure - go easy with your right hand...

[vgcspares]

Nice if something is being done about it - it not a big cross I bear as I haven't fallen off (yet) but I did get a reasonable slide when leaving Drury tires on new Metz hoops and a BIG GRIN whan I went back for new hoops on another bike the following week. Obviously they noticed my last exit.

[PirateJafa]

Or you could just not ride like a dick straight out of the shop?

You have to behave yourself for thirty minutes. Boo hoo.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Nice if something is being done about it - it not a big cross I bear as I haven't fallen off (yet) but I did get a reasonable slide when leaving Drury tires on new Metz hoops and a BIG GRIN whan I went back for new hoops on another bike the following week. Obviously they noticed my last exit.

Ive had suggested to me that I spray some Brakleen onto a rag, then wipe the rag over the tyre to remove the slippery stuff. Didnt try it myself I just went very easy in the first session of my trackday to bed in the new tyre and get it up to temp. it must have worked as I didnt fall off.

[yungatart]

Given that you know new tyres need scrubbing in, and that you are the one going to be hurt if you don't take care, what, then is wrong with "personal responsibility"?

[Kickaha]

what, then is wrong with "personal responsibility"?

That's got to be one of the funniest things I've ever read on here :lol:

[nivram]

If it's that much of an issue just take a piece of fine grade sand paper to the shop and scrub them out prior to riding off or a bucket of hot soapy water and a scrubber :2thumbsup

Is is really that much of a problem how many have actually had an accident as a result of oily residue on new tyres?

[AD345]

Campaign for clean tires


issat like riding through puddles?

[R6_kid]

So what your saying is that you want your tyres to come from the shop with no chicken strips? :laugh:

If it's that much of a worry for you i've heard that using a wire brush and brake cleaner will remove the 'residue' left from the mold. Perhaps ask the shop to do it for you before you leave next time?

Anyway, should the liability rest with the manufacturer and not the shop?

You're not one of those people that needs the 'contents may be hot' on your coffee cup are you?

[AllanB]

or a bucket of hot soapy water and a scrubber :2thumbsup

Plenty of scrubbers down Manchester Street in Christchurch who would happily charge you by the hour (possibly minute....<_<) to soap down your rubbers.....


Personally in 28 years of motorcycling I have never had a problem with new tyres. But then I don't ride new rubber in the wet, I take them for a good open road ride to heat them up (I believe this gets rid of any coating) and progressively work my way around the edges.

Even if new rubber was 100% spiffy from day dot, the above is good advise as a change in tyres will change the bikes handling.

[quallman1234]

It seems to be a little bit of a facade. But a good one, as it makes people be more careful.

From my expirence a 10 minute session at a race track is plenty of time, to break em in, road tyres as well as slicks. Probabaly Equivalents to 50km of normal use. So bugger all.

[Mom]

Given that the accepted doctrine of dealers and tire vendors is that a warning to take care when riding on new tires absolves them of any liability :

"You twat I told you to be careful !"

and given that we don't drive cars (which you can't fall off of when new tires have been fitted)

Why aren't we campaigning for them to do something about it instead of just sitting there smirking, taking side-bets on who will fall off and saying I told you so when it happens ??????


Some good replies in this thread, here is one more...

it is tyres not tires!

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[AllanB]

it is tyres not tires!


Unless they are American ones........ all Harleys come with a pair of Tires, when they wear out we fit Tyres. :sunny:



Now the use of the word FANNY can get one into a lot of bother on a global trip.

[HDTboy]

I saw Robbie Bugden do a sub 1 minute lap on a brand new pair of tyres with the sticker still on as he left the pits.

I reckon there should be a campaign for thinking.

[AllanB]

I saw Robbie Bugden do a sub 1 minute lap on a brand new pair of tyres with the sticker still on as he left the pits.

I reckon there should be a campaign for thinking.

Did the sticker read "always ride carefully on new tyres"? :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[peasea]

If you are talking about the slippery oil residue on new tyres, then yes they should do something about it. Surely there is some kind of alcohol based solvent they could brush the tyres with to prevent the 'bleeding obvious' occuring?

Alcohol based? Yum.

[peasea]

Unless they are American ones........ all Harleys come with a pair of Tires, when they wear out we fit Tyres. :sunny:



Now the use of the word FANNY can get one into a lot of bother on a global trip.


......and don't go talking about rubbers in a primary school!

[peasea]

It seems to be a little bit of a facade. But a good one, as it makes people be more careful.

From my expirence a 10 minute session at a race track is plenty of time, to break em in, road tyres as well as slicks. Probabaly Equivalents to 50km of normal use. So bugger all.

I have a 40k return trip uphill, round bends, downhill again and bingo. I agree, about 50k should do it, but not on a flat, straight (boring) motorway.

[NordieBoy]

5 mins in the gravel cleans them off.

[mikeey01]

Slippery new tyres, yeah so!

Next you'll want "caution when hot" stickers.

It's been happening for years and years, nothing new here.
When your on new tyres, you take it easy. Simple enough isn't it?

lol re "all Harleys come with a pair of Tires, when they wear out we fit Tyres" :rofl:

[boman]

Slippery new tyres, yeah so!

Next you'll want "caution when hot" stickers on bikes.

It's been happening for years and years, nothing new here.
When you are on new tyres you take it easy, simple enough isn't it?


IMHO I agree totally


:gob:

[dpex]

Could be that they are asking you not to be a friggin eejut.
In my experience the amount of "slippery stuff" on the new generation tyres is stuff all.

Yeah, I'm kinda with Frosty on this one. On the day I got my new Sport-tecs (last Monday) another bloke (clearly one of Jrandoms, Red Misted Knob Jockeys), took off on a new pair of Pilot Powers. The rain had just come through, the road was slick. This dude rolled down hard right and kicked it. Both me and the troops at Drury Performance Tyres expected him to splat. He didn't even get a wiggle on. So maybe frosty is right. I have to say I didn't noticed any undue twitches when I gave my new set a bit of death through the Gorge outside Paeroa.

But, I guess, if ya worried, you could pour over some meths and set fire to them. That should burn of the release agent, such as it is.

[Maha]

So what your saying is that you want your tyres to come from the shop with no chicken strips? :laugh:




Can you buys those??.....:2thumbsup
At leats it would mute a talking point where I am concerned....:girlfight:

[Hiflyer]

so im getting me some bt 45's on saturday if it rains should i bother going to get them? im getting them from cycletreads and live in greenlane so its basically just motorway to and from. or is it too risky? (ive never bought new tyres before if you cant tell)

[Blackshear]

How come they don't shine our bike tyres up like they do with car tyres?
Are we just not asking or sommat?



:argue:

[Owl]

Apparently many/some of the newer tyres come from moulds where a silicon-based mould releasing agent is not used, so it's not really an issue.
Certainly my Avon Storms weren't slippery when new, and when I asked about it, that's what I was told.

I wasn't so lucky with my rear Storm. I hit a patch of rain on the maiden journey and the rear started sliding with the road camber. I did the sensible thing and did a U-turn back to the dry stuff.

Yes I was taking it very easy!

[tigertim20]

ah fuckem mate, roll the bike into their shop, dump the cluth and do a MASSIVE friggin burnout in their shop, leaving the oily residue on their shop floor, should stop the bastards smirkin eh? . . . . . . . . lol

[enigma51]

Bunch of noobs all of you!

[cs363]

How come they don't shine our bike tyres up like they do with car tyres?


Silicone/tyre dressings and motorcycle tyres don't mix as a rule.... :)

[pritch]

Given that you know new tyres need scrubbing in, and that you are the one going to be hurt if you don't take care, what, then is wrong with "personal responsibility"?

I watched a guy on a Blackbird, not 30 seconds from the shop on new tyres, he was being super careful (I was going faster on my pushbike) but he still lost it and wound up in a heap in the middle of the first corner he came to. He was pissed off. I would have been too.

If they don't use silicon release agents now that's fine by me.

[Motu]

5 mins in the gravel cleans them off.

IDIOT!!!! You want these clowns to crash their bikes even more!?? If they fall off their bike by just putting on new tyres,how the hell will they cope with a gravel road? I suggest one of us each side to hold them up until they are steady enough to do it on their own.

[AllanB]

IDIOT!!!! You want these clowns to crash their bikes even more!?? If they fall off their bike by just putting on new tyres,how the hell will they cope with a gravel road? I suggest one of us each side to hold them up until they are steady enough to do it on their own.

Meh - get a set of these trainers

[Hiflyer]

so does any1 have any proper advice other than slow down? or is that the only advice able to be given?

[McDuck]

so im getting me some bt 45's on saturday if it rains should i bother going to get them? im getting them from cycletreads and live in greenlane so its basically just motorway to and from. or is it too risky? (ive never bought new tyres before if you cant tell)

Ride like your tyres are slippery and you should be right. When i did my first ever ever ride it was in the pissing rain on a new front tyre.

[cs363]

so does any1 have any proper advice other than slow down? or is that the only advice able to be given?

BT45's aren't particularly greasy 'out of the box' so ride carefully home and if you want to banish the psychological bit about greasy tyres, just give them a good rub over with some rag soaked in white spirits, brake cleaner, thinners or similar.
Wouldn't be surprised if you were that worried about it that the guys at CT would supply the above, just to ease your mind.
As suggested in a previous post, it's still prudent to get a bit of heat into them before practising your MotoGP lean angles. :)

[Hiflyer]

BT45's aren't particularly greasy 'out of the box' so ride carefully home and if you want to banish the psychological bit about greasy tyres, just give them a good rub over with some rag soaked in white spirits, brake cleaner, thinners or similar.
Wouldn't be surprised if you were that worried about it that the guys at CT would supply the above, just to ease your mind.
As suggested in a previous post, it's still prudent to get a bit of heat into them before practising your MotoGP lean angles. :)

well look to quote gubb o don't feel the insane need to go around corners at warp 9 haha


but i still like speed, just not that easy with a 250 i might just add it to my invoice

cos im already thinking about asking them to bleed my brakes, my brakes are totally soft at the moment unless sum1 wants to teach me how to bleed them :stupid::confused:

beers/cash would be payment depending on what you prefer

[cs363]

well look to quote gubb o don't feel the insane need to go around corners at warp 9 haha


but i still like speed, just not that easy with a 250 i might just add it to my invoice

cos im already thinking about asking them to bleed my brakes, my brakes are totally soft at the moment unless sum1 wants to teach me how to bleed them :stupid::confused:

beers/cash would be payment depending on what you prefer

Save yourself the hassle - if they have the wheels off they can check your brake pads and the condition of your calipers. And for only a few $$ while they are there get them to bleed the brakes. If you can, hang around and observe what they do - it's the best way to learn (coupled to a good workshop manual). Unless of course, someone local feels like helping you out that knows what they are doing.

[Hiflyer]

Save yourself the hassle - if they have the wheels off they can check your brake pads and the condition of your calipers. And for only a few $$ while they are there get them to bleed the brakes. If you can, hang around and observe what they do - it's the best way to learn (coupled to a good workshop manual). Unless of course, someone local feels like helping you out that knows what they are doing.

thats wht i was thinking, i was trying to watch the motorcycle doctors do it but was distracted. there was only a couple of people here who i would trust to do it for me haha. (not gonna name names tho)


but yea i think i should be fine. thank god for cycle treads! (and discounts)












geez . . .brackets seem to be my thing lately haha

[MaxB]

Got some new rubber last month. Remember thinking 'Hope it won't rain'.

Of course it pissed down but the 40 km trip home was taken at super nana pace and apart from a few small wibbles from the back it was all good.

[samgab]

so im getting me some bt 45's on saturday if it rains should i bother going to get them? im getting them from cycletreads and live in greenlane so its basically just motorway to and from. or is it too risky? (ive never bought new tyres before if you cant tell)

Well the new tyres I bought today *looks at clock* ...err, yesterday... were way grippier than the outgoing ones right out of the box. I rode them home to South Auckland from North Shore, in the rain, and they were amazing. Course I didn't try anything too stupid.

So I say go ahead and do it, rain or shine. Like Frosty said, just don't ride like an eejit and you'll be fine :)

[awayatc]

I reckon there should be a campaign for thinking.

You think so?.....

I used to be realy indecisive...
But now I am not sure anymore....

[jonbuoy]

Everyone does know that new tyres are slippery but lets be honest it doesn't HAVE to be that way? Progress is a good thing in general. New brake pads need bedding in for obvious unavoidable reasons but it seems a bit daft for tyres to leave the Pirelli/Michelin factory with it still on. Unless it preserves the tyre in storage?

[jrandom]

I saw Robbie Bugden do a sub 1 minute lap...

... of? The carpark?

:laugh:

[NordieBoy]

IDIOT!!!! You want these clowns to crash their bikes even more!?? If they fall off their bike by just putting on new tyres,how the hell will they cope with a gravel road? I suggest one of us each side to hold them up until they are steady enough to do it on their own.

Welll....
We could scrub the tyres in for them of course :whistle:
For only a modest fee...

[saltydog]

First 100kms ride like you are in the rain (if in rain ride like a nanna) but slowly and progressivley taking her a little bit more over onto the chicken strip area. But a quicker and easier way is to take her out against the wall of the bike shop (hopefully out the back somewhere), straddle the bike, front tyre against the wall and spin her up while rocking her side to side. Works a treat every time. For the front scrub...ride like a nanna for the first 100kms!
We had a shop in town, gone now, that used to encourage us to burn our tyre out before putting the new one on. Used to be the best part about getting new rubber....... I love leaving small calling cards...espicially on mates driveways. Just small ones mind.......so their missuses (is that a word?) don't notice!

[HDTboy]

... of? The carpark?

:laugh:

Puke, ya knob. It's the only track that real NZers can drive to in under an hour.

[The Pastor]

first thing to do with new tyres, is to crank the bike right over and wack that throttle wide open.

[vgcspares]

This thread's left me bemused - I own heaps of bikes, ridden for yonks and bought/run in plenty of new sets of tires

As bikers we have traditionally had to put up with greasy tires because the industry doesn't get any flak from car owners (by far and away their biggest group of customers) and consequently as a minority we have to look after ourselves.

What's surprised me with this thread is very few seem to think the world would be a better place if we didn't have to take great care (or else kneel on the floor with some sandpaper/degreaser and fix the problem ourselves) ...

... just because it hasn't happened to me or you yet, it may still - plenty of people fall off on new tires just ask any dealer.

[discotex]

... just because it hasn't happened to me or you yet, it may still - plenty of people fall off on new tires just ask any dealer.

Do you think they should force us to buy and use tyre warmers as well? Plenty of people fall off because they don't warm their tyres up.......

[vgcspares]

12 minutes, apparently, and then your tires are as warm as if you'd had tire warmers on - but it is worth noting that while plenty of people fall off on trackdays/races on the first lap not so many fall off on the road early in their journey.

The fact is new tires pose a greater risk, but then hey, I'm just a Nanny who thinks that if there's a problem it wouldn't be so bad if those that could do something about it did.

[NordieBoy]

12 minutes, apparently, and then your tires are as warm as if you'd had tire warmers on

12 mins at what speed and what type of road?

[peasea]

12 mins at what speed and what type of road?


In what weather, on what bike, with what output, ridden by who, loaded or unloaded and does the brand of motorcycle have any effect on the figures?

Sheesh....details please!

[Blackshear]

In what weather, on what bike, with what output, ridden by who, loaded or unloaded and does the brand of motorcycle have any effect on the figures?

Sheesh....details please!

You forgot the incline/decline, diameter and pace.

[discotex]

You forgot the incline/decline, diameter and pace.

How about silica/carbon/rubber ratio.....

[discotex]

not so many fall off on the road early in their journey.

Ummmm whatever... While hardly empirical I've read heaps of "I binned 500m from my driveway" threads on KB compared to zero "I binned 500m from the tyre shop" threads.


That said I'd support having a standard printout that shops could give to people explaining how to safely scrub in new tyres but I don't want people messing with solvents/sandpaper/etc on my behalf.

[McDuck]

I dont. A sign on the door should be ebough. IMHO you should not ride hard after any work has been done on a bike...

[piston broke]

ah fuckem mate, roll the bike into their shop, dump the cluth and do a MASSIVE friggin burnout in their shop, leaving the oily residue on their shop floor, should stop the bastards smirkin eh? . . . . . . . . lol

now thats the way to scrub them in,
but you've gotta do a donut each side as well,to wear all the tread:2thumbsup

[jonbuoy]

Ummmm whatever... While hardly empirical I've read heaps of "I binned 500m from my driveway" threads on KB compared to zero "I binned 500m from the tyre shop" threads.


That said I'd support having a standard printout that shops could give to people explaining how to safely scrub in new tyres but I don't want people messing with solvents/sandpaper/etc on my behalf.

Maybe the manufacturer should be thinking about doing it?

[McDuck]

Maybe the manufacturer should be thinking about doing it?

I would rather save the 10 dollers per tyre thanks

[smoky]

Given that the accepted doctrine of dealers and tire vendors is that a warning to take care when riding on new tires absolves them of any liability :
So what about when you get new suspension fitted - they warn you to ride carefully until you get use to it
Buy a bigger bike - tell you the same thing
New brakes fitted - take it easy for a bit until they 'bed in'

It's just good advise!!!!! what's the issue????



If you are talking about the slippery oil residue on new tyres, then yes they should do something about it.

I think some one should write to a tyre manufacturer (or tire manufacturer) and get some clarification before launching a campaign - I would strongly suggest this idea tyres have a residue from the release agent, is an urban myth.
And I wonder if the number of people who have actually fallen off due to new tyres is actually very many at all?? who knows? who keeps these figures?
You take it easy because the tyre has smooth sealed surface from the mold - the external temperature in manufacturing the tyre kind of glazes the tyre surface, once they have warmed up and the surface scuffed (scrubbed) in a bit there's no issues
I have not found this challenging, scary or a problem
I think a lot of it is in the mind

[McDuck]

I think some one should write to a tyre manufacturer (or tire manufacturer) and get some clarification before launching a campaign - I would strongly suggest this idea tyres have a residue from the release agent, is an urban myth.
And I wonder if the number of people who have actually fallen off due to new tyres is actually very many at all?? who knows? who keeps these figures?
You take it easy because the tyre has smooth sealed surface from the mold - the external temperature in manufacturing the tyre kind of glazes the tyre surface, once they have warmed up and the surface scuffed (scrubbed) in a bit there's no issues
I have not found this challenging, scary or a problem
I think a lot of it is in the mind

Or blaming somthing for a crash

[smoky]

Or blaming somthing for a crash

Except when I fall off - I reserve the right to blame the first thing that comes into my mind

[Tony W]

Just off to the shop to pick up my rim with a new Metzeler Z6 front fitted.
I bought a new rear Z6 last month and it felt good from the get-go.
I have already been warned to "take it easy" when I dropped the rim off.

I do not agree that anyone should be able to sell you tyres which are potentially lethal in their new condition. I think that the manufacturer has the responsibility to ensure our safety.
Someone has already stated on this thread that car tyres do not suffer from this same problem. Put a new set on a car, it's fantastic straight away !

[scumdog]

Ive had suggested to me that I spray some Brakleen onto a rag, then wipe the rag over the tyre to remove the slippery stuff. Didnt try it myself I just went very easy in the first session of my trackday to bed in the new tyre and get it up to temp. it must have worked as I didnt fall off.

Always give the tread of new tyres a wipe-down with a rag soaked in paint-thinners.

Just to be sure.

[jonbuoy]

I would rather save the 10 dollers per tyre thanks

Really?? I'd rather pay it - horses for courses I guess.

[jonbuoy]

It doesn't look like anything can be done about it anyway - info on it here, seems like its written in Ingrish but but usefull none the less:

From http://www.premiertyres.co.uk/motorbike/motorbike-tyres-info.html

Running-in tyres

It is important to understand that running a tyres in doesn't just mean a scrubbing in the tyres surface. Scrubbing under a tide is surface is the only one of the reasons for running a tie is in.

A tyre needs to be seated on the wheel. This is not fully achieved when fitting a tyre and it needs to be ridden on with caution to complete the process.

In order to achieve optimum performance, there are various components after tyre (belts, tread strip, etc) need to correctly bed in to one another. If not correctly run in a tyre may not give their until Possible performance a.

When new, a tyre has a in very smooth the surface and in order to obtain optimum grip, there smooth surface needs to be scrubbed in. At first the bike should be ridden as upright as possible. Gradually, that angle of lean can be increased, always insuring it that a portion of scrub in tread remains in contact with the road until full lean angles are achieved. During careless of time the bike should there be ridden cautiously. Hard for sudden acceleration and braking it should be avoided because optimum traction levels will not be achieved until their running in process is completed.

Not all manufacturers use releasing agents during the manufacturing process, bought for those that do, the scrubbing in process will need to take into account their fluid residue as well as the smooth surface. These agents can also contain anti-ageing preservatives and this is why there manufacturers do not remove them before shipping to their customers.

Wet weather can increase of their required running-in distance by as much as three times.

Rubbing a new tyres surface with an abrasive material in order to scrub the surface in, has little effect. Even very abrasive materials will not scrub that tyres surface sufficiently for the bike to be ridden hard right away. And besides, the tyre still needs to be seated on the wheel and then various components still need to be bedded in against one another. Put simply, there is in no short court to running at Tyre in correctly.

Following the fitting procedure, the tyre should be wiped with a dry cloth in order to ensure no residue off tyre fitting lubricants remains.

100 miles is considered a safe distance to run tyres in. When this distance has been covered, the tyre should be checked to insure all correct seating and inflation.

If a customer crashes on a new tyre, and assuming it has now fitting paste residue, it is a very unlikely that the tyre be at fault. Thankfully, the very few people crash on new tyres, but in virtually every case the error can be put down to lack of care by the Rider. Over the years it has been found that when a crash occurs it is more often than not after a new rear tyre has been fitted, usually within the first mile, invariably at low speed when the rider is making one of the three following Manoeuvres

* Pulling out onto the road went leaving the fitting Bay
* Turning right when pulling out of a t-Junction
* On a low speed roundabout

In these cases, riders have been leaning their bikes over far more than they realised and combined with an opening the throttle, their new smooth tyre with its reduced traction levels, can spin off with obvious results. These crashes usually happen at low speeds because forces acting upon the tyre are lower than at higher speeds and therefore it is far easier for a tyre to lose traction.

[scumdog]

I These crashes usually happen at low speeds because forces acting upon the tyre are lower than at higher speeds and therefore it is far easier for a tyre to lose traction.

Eh????:confused:

[Big Dave]

I love new tyres - you can slide around like Haga real easy.

[jonbuoy]

Eh????:confused:

I guess they mean loading on the tyres - higher loading at higher speeds? Don't shoot the messenger :blink:

[Tony W]

Picked up the wheel and is now fitted to Beemer.

Jonbuoy's post makes a lot of sense actually, as I have had some experience with the various scenarios.

Firstly, there is the 'surface' problem where there is a slippery residue present on the tyre. This can be various unidentified substances.

I have had problems with this issue on of all things...A LOW SPEED ROUNDABOUT...!!
After a "new bike for the road" holiday of 25 years, I took took delivery of my SM. On the ride home, after 20 km, I came to a 30kmh roundabout. I rode round very carefully but both tyres still let go simultaneously and it was only the instinctual reflex of slamming my foot down onto the road that kept us upright.
This I would put down to tyre residue and I feel something should have been done about that at the shop, before I rode it away. This residue I feel is the problem most people would have an issue with.

The subject of then "running a tyre in" also has validity.
I bought a 21" Kenda front for the 400 last year. On the attached label it clearly stated that the tyre needed to be run for at least 100 miles before it performed normally. I rode to work and I was so shocked at its dangerous handling characteristics, that I was ready to take it back to the shop and tell them where to shove it !
But I decided to abide by the instructions and gave it 200kms to come right.
It did come right and is now a great tyre !

So yeah. I'll now go and wipe the Z6 down and also pat some dust from the ground on it to soak up any slipperyness. I will also be riding in such a manner to get the "feel'" of the new hoop first before forgetting about it.

Cheers.

[McDuck]

Picked up the wheel and is now fitted to Beemer.

Jonbuoy's post makes a lot of sense actually, as I have had some experience with the various scenarios.

Firstly, there is the 'surface' problem where there is a slippery residue present on the tyre. This can be various unidentified substances.

I have had problems with this issue on of all things...A LOW SPEED ROUNDABOUT...!!
After a "new bike for the road" holiday of 25 years, I took took delivery of my SM. On the ride home, after 20 km, I came to a 30kmh roundabout. I rode round very carefully but both tyres still let go simultaneously and it was only the instinctual reflex of slamming my foot down onto the road that kept us upright.

Cheers.
Any residue would have been long gone by then, it was somthing on the road

[scumdog]

I guess they mean loading on the tyres - higher loading at higher speeds? Don't shoot the messenger :blink:

Nah, unless the road is 'banked' (cambered) the load will be the same - gravity only has so much 'pull' regardless of speed.

Speed on the other hand can cause lateral 'pull' that can overcome gravitys 'pull' downwards.

I think....maybe...:whistle:



(Waits an onslaught of attacks from physics types..):pinch:

[Tony W]

Any residue would have been long gone by then, it was somthing on the road

No, it was mainly straight road until then. It would have been the new lean angle.

[MarkH]

No, it was mainly straight road until then. It would have been the new lean angle.

New lean angle = smooth (not scuffed or scrubbed) rubber.
If you combine that with some oil or diesel on the road then you can find things can be incredibly slippery.

[Hiflyer]

yesterday i had 2 new battlax bt45s put on, and i havent felt any slipperyness at all with them, i feel way more planted to the road. and i even road home just after it had rained :S but yea i have now done 223kms on them and i havent had any problems. maybe its different tyre manufacturers that have problems, not just a universal problem with tyres.


oh and the guys at cycletreads said sanding the tyre doesnt make a difference and a solvent type substance will only damage the tyre. apparently theres stuff in the top layer of the tyre whick needs to be heated through and disperesed onto the road. thats probably the dangerous stuff

[Swoop]

:slap: :slap: <-thread

[cowpoos]

Given that the accepted doctrine of dealers and tire vendors is that a warning to take care when riding on new tires absolves them of any liability :

"You twat I told you to be careful !"

and given that we don't drive cars (which you can't fall off of when new tires have been fitted)

Why aren't we campaigning for them to do something about it instead of just sitting there smirking, taking side-bets on who will fall off and saying I told you so when it happens ??????
Its a feeble excuse if you fall off on new tyres...the coating protects the tyres and need wearing off...and it ain't that slippery. takes about 5 or 6 kms on the road gradually leaning a lil further over as you go.
or a lap or two on a race track....no biggie