What the???

[Mom]

Far out, have a read of this little gem

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10561419

Words have actually failed me, what the hell do we do to combat this stupidity in our society? She has children! What the hell kind of upbringing are they getting?

[The Baron]

Our roads will never be safe with the legal system we have now.

[Finn]

The racial slurs in this thread disgust me. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

[MSTRS]

Ever wondered why these people have children...
DPB and get-out-of-jail-free-card.

[Mully]

Brown had denied the two charges but changed her pleas to guilty in January. She was remanded on bail only because she is the sole caregiver of her two children and is looking after her partner's children while he is in jail, Rotorua's Daily Post reported.

Winner.

See, this is the problem. The PC police have driven this country so far off the sane track, this thing is able to accure 8 Drink Driving Charges and 15 Driving while Disqualified.

In a just world, this thing would be sterilised and chucked in the slammer for good.

What were the arguments against the 3 strikes policy again??

[pzkpfw]

I don't mean this to sound as "1984" as it might, but here goes:


She is obviously sick. There is something wrong with her.

Jail won't fix her, but we do need to protect ourselves from her. (Yes, Jail will temporarily keep her away from us.)

What we need is a place something in-between a Jail and an Asylum, where people like her can be sent for re-education. To learn how to be (or pretend to be) decent members of society, who don't do things like repeat drink driving. To learn more about responsibility instead of just "rights".

People would be made to go there (but perhaps given weekends off or something, like a minimum security prison or something) but more emphasis on (re)education.


If they can't learn - then lock 'em up for good. We shouldn't have to put up with them.

[Number One]

Bloody disgusting!

[The Stranger]

If they can't learn - then lock 'em up for good. We shouldn't have to put up with them.

She has had ample opportunity to learn, if she hasn't learnt by now, do you honestly think anything you can do will change that?

How many chances is enough before you reach your "lock em up" point?
Or should someone die first? Just one or two - or more?

[sinfull]

I don't mean this to sound as "1984" as it might, but here goes:


She is obviously sick. There is something wrong with her.

Jail won't fix her, but we do need to protect ourselves from her. (Yes, Jail will temporarily keep her away from us.)

What we need is a place something in-between a Jail and an Asylum, where people like her can be sent for re-education. To learn how to be (or pretend to be) decent members of society, who don't do things like repeat drink driving. To learn more about responsibility instead of just "rights".

People would be made to go there (but perhaps given weekends off or something, like a minimum security prison or something) but more emphasis on (re)education.


If they can't learn - then lock 'em up for good. We shouldn't have to put up with them.

Ummmm yep 1984 was prolly when she first started getting charged !~
84 was prolly her mans first parole !
She aint sick man the system is !

[Headbanger]

She is obviously sick. There is something wrong with her.



Yeah, She is still breathing.

Luckily there is a cure, Its called a rope. Now all we need is a tree, a horse and the support of the majority.

[MsKABC]

I think that to say: "she is the sole caregiver of her two children and is looking after her partner's children" is probably a stretch. I doubt they get very much "care" or "looking after". More statistics in the making, and it's very, very sad.

[Mom]

Take the kids off her and lock her up! FFS, this is pathetic, oh we will delay sentencing because you have kids at home. She should not have the care of children!

[Finn]

I don't mean this to sound as "1984" as it might, but here goes:


She is obviously sick. There is something wrong with her.

Jail won't fix her, but we do need to protect ourselves from her. (Yes, Jail will temporarily keep her away from us.)

What we need is a place something in-between a Jail and an Asylum, where people like her can be sent for re-education. To learn how to be (or pretend to be) decent members of society, who don't do things like repeat drink driving. To learn more about responsibility instead of just "rights".

People would be made to go there (but perhaps given weekends off or something, like a minimum security prison or something) but more emphasis on (re)education.


If they can't learn - then lock 'em up for good. We shouldn't have to put up with them.

And who's going pay for all this shit?

[Bend-it]

To learn how to be (or pretend to be) decent members of society, who don't do things like repeat drink driving. To learn more about responsibility instead of just "rights".



Kerrekt!! Except, this is be called school, and home, from when kids are young. It's called being brought up with the right values, which this PC, bloody socially-engineered leftie society has relegated to the gutters a long time ago, and we are now reaping the "benefits" of what we've sown.

[MSTRS]

And who's going pay for all this shit?

I can't afford much...but I could bring a rope, if that helps.

[CookMySock]

Words have actually failed me, what the hell do we do to combat this stupidity in our society? She has children! What the hell kind of upbringing are they getting?You don't combat it. You IGNORE IT. It doesn't affect you UNTIL you read it and get wound up about it. Go back to the useful and interesting thing you were doing before you got entangled in that crap. It's not worth a knob of goats poo. Geez.

Steve

[Owl]

Yeah, She is still breathing.

Luckily there is a cure, Its called a rope. Now all we need is a tree, a horse and the support of the majority.

Yes and then she may provide her first ever benefit to society. Wind direction indicator!;)

[MSTRS]

You don't combat it. You IGNORE IT. It doesn't affect you UNTIL you read it and get wound up about it. Go back to the useful and interesting thing you were doing before you got entangled in that crap. It's not worth a knob of goats poo. Geez.

Steve

What planet do you live on? Of course it fucking affects her. And all of us too. The only people who it doesn't affect are the ones doing it.
People like that don't pay for damage caused to the other party. They don't have insurance. They don't pay their fines. They suck up resources in the form of benefits, legal aid, food banks etc.
We all pay extra in every area because they don't/won't.

[Mikkel]

They Shoot Horses, Don't They?

[Owl]

They Shoot Horses, Don't They?

"Racing Cars" sung that didn't they?:laugh:

[Nasty]

You don't combat it. You IGNORE IT. It doesn't affect you UNTIL you read it and get wound up about it. Go back to the useful and interesting thing you were doing before you got entangled in that crap. It's not worth a knob of goats poo. Geez.

Steve

You have made yet again one of the stupidist comments that anyone can make .. and you expect people to take you seriously ....

As Mstrs said it costs us all ... feel free to go and put your head back up your arse ... because there are a lot of us who won't .. .because people like this affect all of us and our families!

[Mikkel]

feel free to go and put your head back up your arse

No space left - he's fulla shit...

[mister.koz]

Anyone seen the movie "Escape from absolomb"?

Without any sort of social conscience the answer is simple, put them in a place where they wont cost society emotionally or financially.

But with a social conscience how do you remove barbarians from society without barbarism itself?

I can't balance that equation... Really wish i could! I pay enough tax to keep morons like this pissed and dangerous all year around.

[Headbanger]

Anyone seen the movie "Escape from absolom"?




Greatest.Movie.Ever.

[mister.koz]

Greatest.Movie.Ever.

Yeah man :headbang: possibly not the best solution for people who are falsely accused :D

[pzkpfw]

And who's going pay for all this shit?

What - you think the Jails we already have don't cost anything?



I'm actually pretty much all for the "rope solution" some people herein have already suggested - but that just isn't going to happen no matter how many anonymous internet forum posters suggest it.


What I'm suggesting is sort of like Jail, but with electroshock therapy or something added to try to wake these people up and stop them doing it all again when they are let out.

[MSTRS]

What I'm suggesting is sort of like Jail, but with electroshock therapy or something added to try to wake these people up and stop them doing it all again when they are let out.

Like trade in the BottleInFrontOfMe for a Frontal Lobotomy?

[mister.koz]

The problem isn't the system, its people finding holes in it and taking advantage of anything they can, the "thief" mindset.

Someone mentioned sterilization before... :whistle:

[paturoa]

She is obviously sick. There is something wrong with her.

....where people like her can be sent for re-education.

Several thoughts here

- Is re-education a cure for sickness?
- Not everyone who has a different value set to you is sick.

I expect that she just doesn't give a flying f**k about this
......... because the consequences from the previous 8 convictions have never reached her personal value / grief threshold.

So I fully support the calls for consequences for her that would reach her threshold. Then she wouldn't do it.

Then there is the very small percentage of actually people that need appropriate support. Buggered if I know how you'd tell the differences for this particular POS when there are no REAL consequences.

[Waxxa]

shes' at home looking after the kids while her partner is in jail...

well, personally to me that is no excuse. She should also be locked up from society. And the fact that she has kids but couldn't be a suitable role model for her children, then the kids can go to prison with her.

because at the end of the day we have a 'criminal-generation' being brought up in this instance only to be unleashed on the community in a few years to come and it is the community who pays for not only property damage but also the psycological cost, injury cost etc.
the father couldn't be a role model and neither can the mother, lock the entire family up! STOP THE P.C! LEARN PERSONAL AND SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY

I would rather pay for prisons than the continuous cost to victims and their families were the perpetraters have no remorse, no way of financial retribution, legal aid, counselling, a whole range of 'programmes' etc.

2cents

[Genestho]

Far out, have a read of this little gem

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10561419

Words have actually failed me, what the hell do we do to combat this stupidity in our society? She has children! What the hell kind of upbringing are they getting?

Cheers Mom, you've reminded me to get back on the wagon, and ask Judith Collins, Steven Joyce and Simon Powers to remind me again, :Pokey:why the hell are we sharing the road with these scumsucking pieces of ____!!
How many priors?
Im sorry NZ Police, ACC and NZTA, you are wasting our time on the lowering BAC argument, when this is the epitome of what we face on our Roads. This right here is the danger.

She dont give a toss about herself, her kids, or us on the road!
I just hope next time she drives she doesnt smash and kill the innocent ones.

[rainman]

For those here who would kill someone for repeat drink driving (which offence I agree is truly reprehensible - hell, once is enough, and there should be Real Consequences), please tell me: what other offences would get the rope/bullet in your ideal NZ?

People like this woman are very hard to treat. They are indeed ill, with a disease called alcoholism. However, something must be done to protect society from people like her, and I think jail should have been an option far earlier in this case. OK she has kids, but maybe it's time to bring in CYFS in this case. Yes, all of this costs money - but what else can reasonably be done?

[Genestho]

For those here who would kill someone for repeat drink driving (which offence I agree is truly reprehensible - hell, once is enough, and there should be Real Consequences), please tell me: what other offences would get the rope/bullet in your ideal NZ?

People like this woman are very hard to treat. They are indeed ill, with a disease called alcoholism. However, something must be done to protect society from people like her, and I think jail should have been an option far earlier in this case. OK she has kids, but maybe it's time to bring in CYFS in this case. Yes, all of this costs money - but what else can reasonably be done?

Yes and they fail to send 95% of repeat drink drivers for alcohol assesment, we know this for a fact!
In 52% of cases its not till the 4th or 5th offense that they are assessed.
We fail to treat and we fail to protect innocent road users.
There are a myriad of solutions, it will not take just the one!

[MSTRS]

Yes and they fail to send 95% of repeat drink drivers for alcohol assesment, we know this for a fact!
In 52% of cases its not till the 4th or 5th offense that they are assessed.
We fail to treat and we fail to protect innocent road users.
There are a myriad of solutions, it will not take just the one!

You are so right. Thing is, 'the one' solution can be very effective.

[Genestho]

You are so right. Thing is, 'the one' solution can be very effective.

Depends which 'the one' solution is on offer...and Im NOT talking about the rope solution. I dont believe there can only be one, becuse the causes are so varied.

For a start using commonsense would prove effective.
If we recycle them back onto the roads after a one year ban, that is not effective, pair that with inadequate sentencing, and while at it we fail to treat the associated problem, that is not effective.
So we know what we're not doing.
There are some adequate laws, but we don't even back that up, we fail to follow through.:spanking:
She is quite clearly an obvious danger, not being dealt with.

[Gubb]

You don't combat it. You IGNORE IT. It doesn't affect you UNTIL you read it and get wound up about it. Go back to the useful and interesting thing you were doing before you got entangled in that crap. It's not worth a knob of goats poo. Geez.

Steve

A Drunk Driver killed my cousin, and 4 of his mates on Xmas eve years ago. And I should ignore it? Good to know that you can equate the lives of 5 innocent teenagers in one car to "A knob of Goats poo".

You sir, are a complete cockwallet, and I hope I never have the misfortune of meeting you in real life.

Wait till something like this affects your Kids, see how you feel about these scumfucks then. I'll bet you won't ignore it then.

Spineless, shameless, moronic twat.

[MSTRS]

...and Im NOT talking about the rope solution.

For some cases...I am.
Just an aside - did anyone watch the Police 10/7 last night? The Maori 'royalty' pulled up. No reg, no wof, no licence, umpteen disqualifications, well-practised liar. With a car load of drunk mates (at least she didn't appear to be - that's something). And then the trouble caused across the road by one or more of those drunk passengers.
With that mentality, nothing is going to work. Except....

[mstriumph]

The racial slurs in this thread disgust me. You should be ashamed of yourselves. ........ just because the judge called her 'Ms Brown'??? :(

[mstriumph]

.........

But with a social conscience how do you remove barbarians from society without barbarism itself?

........

ah HA!!
how indeed ...

[kave]

Don't kill them, we do have a chance to make them learn. Pop them in a cell for three weeks with the absolute minimum of food and water and torture the living hell out of them every day. If they get caught again, triple the length of the punishment. If they get caught yet again, they will never learn, and it is time for a bullet.

Easy.

[MSTRS]

Lawfulness or otherwise comes down to respect. There are those who have none. Not even for themselves... Not possible to get past that.

[mister.koz]

ah HA!!
how indeed ...

This is why i am not a politician; resolution is harder than it would seem....

I reckon the problem is the lack of consequence (mentioned earlier) and the lack of empathy.

If people aren't going to be punished or they don't care then how do you stop them?

I have heard someone say "well, i haven't got a licence, a rego, a warrant and i am a little pissed so my only way out is to try and outrun them when the lights go on"

With a confused look i responded "take a taxi" and they said (with an equally confused look) "i can't afford a taxi because i am paying $200 a payday to fines"

At that point i decided it wasn't worth while arguing, some are beyond education, so i increase my following distance and make sure i ain't close to other vehicles.

Short of putting on a cape and running around all vigilante what can i do? I am not happy about it tho :(

[Kemet]

I think that to say: "she is the sole caregiver of her two children and is looking after her partner's children" is probably a stretch. I doubt they get very much "care" or "looking after". More statistics in the making, and it's very, very sad.

What she said....


Take the kids off her and lock her up! FFS, this is pathetic, oh we will delay sentencing because you have kids at home. She should not have the care of children!

Totally agree. All the kids are learning off this women is that you can pull stunts like this and there are no real consequences...


Like trade in the BottleInFrontOfMe for a Frontal Lobotomy?

Clever


Some one else mentioned torture.....

I nominate MSTRS' avatar on a big screen TV ( which the woman probably already has one....) and chain her to a chair to watch it!!:eek:

[peasea]

Far out, have a read of this little gem

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10561419

Words have actually failed me, what the hell do we do to combat this stupidity in our society? She has children! What the hell kind of upbringing are they getting?

I saw that this morning. Another of our home-grown gems. Give it time and we'll get pics of the nippers, probably for similar reasons.

[peasea]

You have made yet again one of the stupidist comments that anyone can make .. and you expect people to take you seriously ....

As Mstrs said it costs us all ... feel free to go and put your head back up your arse ... because there are a lot of us who won't .. .because people like this affect all of us and our families!


Blingity bling bling. The guy's a cock.

[MaxB]

You don't combat it. You IGNORE IT. It doesn't affect you UNTIL you read it and get wound up about it. Go back to the useful and interesting thing you were doing before you got entangled in that crap. It's not worth a knob of goats poo. Geez.

Steve

Edgecumbe is what 80 kms from Rotorua? Just close enough for a night out. What happens when your kids are out driving at the same time as this genius? She on the piss most nights. After so many DICs she needs putting away, kids are better off without her.

[firefighter]

I have a valid and reliable solution, which will work everytime, but people just won't listen.....

Shoot her in the face.....

She will ALWAYS be a peice of shit, put the cunt down, next crimminal please, oh you again, bang, next please........oh you again bang, next please, oh a first timer! see that fucked up shit there? that's you if I see you two more times or if you kill or rape someone, funny how blood has that smell is'nt it? that'll probably be you soon, well you look pretty frightenend maybe not....stop being a dickface and this won't happen to you.......next please!

[Shadows]

The racial slurs in this thread disgust me. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

I reckon. Niggers are people too you know.

[Genestho]

You don't combat it. You IGNORE IT. It doesn't affect you UNTIL you read it and get wound up about it. Go back to the useful and interesting thing you were doing before you got entangled in that crap. It's not worth a knob of goats poo. Geez.

Steve
Steve..

I was going to ignore this comment, Im quite good at ignoring ignorance itself.

But I want you to know that my husband and our two friends deaths, and the drink drivers death, plus 2 minor injuries and one major injuriy - cost YOU, the taxpayer in Monetry terms just over 13 mill (confirmed by MOT..as an "unreported figure")
I worked out the "reported figure" to be closer to just over the 16 mill mark...is that acceptable to you, that we foot the bill for these idiots to take innocent lives?

Obviously I don't need to explain the cost of a life to a family. Even though you could only imagine it.

If you would prefer to ignore, and believe it doesnt affect your safe little world until you READ about it, then please don't whinge when ACC levies continue climb along side the drink driving stats, and Road Fatalities.
Remember the No blame ACC policy? Drink drivers recieve ACC benefits too.

It most certainly affects you Steve.:yes:

[peasea]

Drink drivers recieve ACC benefits too.


That's a giant fuckup, right there.

[Genestho]

That's a giant fuckup, right there.

I know Hitcher will have my ass in a sling when he sees I have the "i" and "e" the wrong way round...teeheee:lol:

Yea Nah, you're right dude, that's another tragedy:oi-grr: