Maori speakers?

[Trudes]

Are there any fluent speakers of te reo Maori here? I need help with writing a mihimihi, is there anyone here who can help me? Cheers.

[PirateJafa]

I can speak fluent "Brotalk" if needed.

[Trudes]

I can speak fluent "Brotalk" if needed.

HA!! So can I, but I'm not entirely sure how well that would go down for a 3rd year university paper essay!! :laugh: Might be worth a try if I can't find anyone to translate for me (not finding a lot of help on the interweb either!)

[Katman]

Sorry, I thought this thread was about some cheap sounds.

[Headbanger]

Yeah, I was going to write about the set of car speakers hooked up to the 20 year old stereo in my shed.....

[Stirts]

I know a few words like "Patero" and "Pōkokohua" "tama ngarengare" :laugh: and the likes, so you may not want my help

[Lias]

HA!! So can I, but I'm not entirely sure how well that would go down for a 3rd year university paper essay!! :laugh: Might be worth a try if I can't find anyone to translate for me (not finding a lot of help on the interweb either!)

I'm not fluent but I do have a Certificate in Te Ara Reo Maori, and if I can't help someone at work will be able to do it for me.

Most people (especially europeans) generally stick with a basic mihimihi, which is easy enough.

Ko Andrew taku ingua
Ko Scottish te iwi
Ko Macdonald of the Isles te hapu
Ko Waikanae te awa
Ko Wikitoria te maunga

If you want to get into a full whakapapa I'll definitly need to get some help to help lol.

[Burtha]

sorry - mine is limited to kai in puku !

[Trudes]

Thanks Lias. Being a white girl I'm not really sure what to put in, like I don't exactly have a hapu, iwi, waka, marae or have any affiliations to rivers, mountains etc. So I think basically I just need to say hello, what my name is and where I come form. Do I need to put in my parents names etc seeing as how I don't have hapu as such?
So, so far I have:
Tena koutou
Ko Trudi ahau
....
yep, that's it :(

[Mom]

It is good to identify your ancestors place of origin too Trudes. Your parents came from ? or your grandparents came from. Talk to Clivoris.

[Trudes]

Thanks Mom, I can do that.... in English, just not Maori.

[peasea]

I've got Sansui speakers, big ones.

[peasea]

Yeah, I was going to write about the set of car speakers hooked up to the 20 year old stereo in my shed.....

Did yoos fellas get dem off dat guy at the pub bro?

[Mr Merde]

I'm fluent in TLA's

will that help

[Headbanger]

Did yoos fellas get dem off dat guy at the pub bro?


Nah, out of the Holden.

[peasea]

Nah, out of the Holden.

Da Holden in da pub car park; hu-hu-eh?

[madmal64]

Might be worth getting hold of my bro clivoris. He is a speaker & worth a PM.
If he is unable to help flick me a PM. I play squash every week with the Kaumatua at Te Papa & I am sure he would be able to get it sorted for ya.

[Ms Piggy]

Are there any fluent speakers of te reo Maori here? I need help with writing a mihimihi, is there anyone here who can help me? Cheers.

Hey Trudes - I have a template I can send you. PM your email addy and I can send it to ya.

[Trudes]

Hey Trudes - I have a template I can send you. PM your email addy and I can send it to ya.

My Saviour!!! Yes please thanks doll!!!

[Ms Piggy]

My Saviour!!! Yes please thanks doll!!!

Also - this is a really good website to help out with pronunciation http://www.korero.maori.nz/

[Ms Piggy]

My Saviour!!! Yes please thanks doll!!!

Actually I just had a bit of a snoop around the site and look what they have: http://www.korero.maori.nz/forlearners/protocols/mihimihi.html A section dedicated to Mihimihi. I'll email ya from work tomorrow still.

[Trudes]

Actually I just had a bit of a snoop around the site and look what they have: http://www.korero.maori.nz/forlearners/protocols/mihimihi.html A section dedicated to Mihimihi. I'll email ya from work tomorrow still.

Yeah I was looking at that today, but I'm pakeha, I don't have a waka and iwi etc, so I have to make some shit up, like where I'm from etc.

[Ms Piggy]

Yeah I was looking at that today, but I'm pakeha, I don't have a waka and iwi etc, so I have to make some shit up, like where I'm from etc.

Yep me too. I know the ship my ancestors came out on so I used that as my waka. For my Iwi used my wider family name - which coincidentally is the same as my surname anyway. And for my mountain I used the mountain that was important & significant to me, same with my river - I actually used "Te moana" (ocean) as opposed to my river because it was more significant to me.

I checked all this out with a Kaumatua at the organisation I had my 3rd year placement at.

[ajturbo]

why do you need this?.. HOW will it help?

what is the paper you are working on?

[Trudes]

why do you need this?.. HOW will it help?

what is the paper you are working on?

For an essay I have to write and a mihi or speech I have to give for the uni paper I'm doing for my degree. It will help because I have to do it or fail and pay another $450 to do it next year. The paper is Maori Development and the Social Services.

[oldrider]

For an essay I have to write and a mihi or speech I have to give for the uni paper I'm doing for my degree. It will help because I have to do it or fail and pay another $450 to do it next year. The paper is Maori Development and the Social Services.

You must do what you must do Trudes but will you still respect yourself in the morning? :whistle:

I promise, I will still love you! :lol: John.

[Highlander]

I did an extremely brief course a lot of years ago, and was told then that as I grew up (I know, debatable that I have, but go with it for now) in Gisborne my River is Turanganui. That is about all I remember from it actually.

[Trudes]

You must do what you must do Trudes but will you still respect yourself in the morning? :whistle:

I promise, I will still love you! :lol: John.
awwww thanks John :hug: I think I'll be able to live with myself, if I can't nobody else will!;)

I did an extremely brief course a lot of years ago, and was told then that as I grew up (I know, debatable that I have, but go with it for now) in Gisborne my River is Turanganui. That is about all I remember from it actually.
hehe thanks, I grew up in Gizzy too, but my river is Waipaoa 'cause I lived in Manutuke and used to swim in that sucker with all the dead sheep and cattle carcasses au!

[Lias]

As others have said, you can get a bit creative with the things like the waka. I've heard more than one person "Ko 747-400 te waka" or something similar.

Generally most of us dodgy white fellas who dont speak it too well use our main ancestral homeland for the iwi (English, Scottish, Welsh, etc) and a suitable family name or scottish clan etc.

Yours might look something like this:

Tena koutou, tena koutou, tena koutou katoa
Ko Trudi taku ingoa (my name is trudy)
Ko English te iwi (my tribe is English)
Ko Kendog te hapu (my clan is Kendog)
Ko Waipaoa te awa (My river is Waipaoa)
Ko Pacific te moana (my ocean is the pacific)
Ko Endeavour te waka (my waka is the Endeavour)

That would probably do.

[Trudes]

That's classic, thanks Lias. My friend Elle suggested Ngati Pakeha te iwi... :laugh:

[fire eyes]

Hey Ya Trudes ..

Awesome mate go hard .. big thumbs up for the crew in here helping ya out to I think its fantastic ..

My two cents worth ..

It's soo important to begin with Tena Koutou, Tena Koutou, Tena Koutou Katoa .. reason being, you are greeting not only those before you i.e visitors/audience .. you are acknowledging those loved ones who have passed and ancestors alike, encompassing all so to speak.

We begin with land formations ..

Region/District - current
Mountain - one you either affiliate to or have claimed as your own
River - as above

Then
Waka - if you know the Ship your ancestors came on
Iwi - even a sub-section of the area you originate from
Hapu - this can come down to clan names if you are aware of them

Then Whanau
Grandparents - names of grandparents - if wanted
Parents - names of parents
Both of the above distinguishes the bloodlines

Then

You - so important .. because throughout the Pepeha you have acknowledged where you have come from and those who have walked before you, connected but can stand in your own right.

You can use either:

Ko ..... ahau - emphasis that this is who you are
Ko ..... toku ingoa - emphasis placed that this is your name

Pepeha .. is s very personal thing .. you can decide the information you put in it (unless the requirement for the paper specifies certain content)

Rock on gurl :niceone:

[trump-lady]

Hey Trudes,
I’m doing my last year at the Wananga, Bachelors in Bi Cultural Social Work. If you need any help pm me :) and I will try to help (awhina) you as much as I can.
I say there is the usual format but you personalise it to make it have meaning for you. I’ve heard this done by Germans, Asians, Indians so my opinion is:
This is simply a process about whats important to you. (we don’t stop and think of this enough) The purpose for it is to acknowledge things and those ancestors that came before you and make you you. You being the last to be acknowledged because without the things you acknowledge before yourself you wouldn’t be here.
Its like adding all the ingredients to make a cake. Without the main ingredients.... there is no cake and those ingredients determine the cakes tastes, looks, texture etc. Everyone sees the cake, but Maori give credit to what bought around the finished product. OMG did that make sense!

Also you have to present this?
Because it is customary that a waiata is sung when you are finished. If you are not Maori then use a song that means something for you.
Big ups (tautoko) for seeking knowledge (matauranga), I hope this paper is enlightening as ta te oa Maori (Maori world view) in a historical sense is beautiful and quite a self discovering journey if engaged in with an open mind.

[Shadows]

Here's a couple

[Trudes]

So a couple of things I don't really get...
I know I'm part English, Irish and Scottish but don't really know anything about any of that and to be honest I call myself a Pakeha, I was born here, so were my parents, my passport says I'm a New Zealander so as I'm of European decent I'm a Pakeha, that's cool, happy with that, so don't want to put Irish as my Iwi etc would rather associate myself as Pakeha Iwi, can I do that? Or would I be best to put Rongowhakaata as my Iwi as that was the closest affiliation I've had to Maori Iwi. I'm confused, there seems to be so many conflicting ideas and I don't want to go claiming shit that aint mine and isn't true!! I also read that because I'm not Maori I don't have the "deep seated roots to the land", so can I really "claim" a mountain - Hikurangi, especially if I've never even been there?
Or am I just thinking too hard for a Friday!!??
Oh, and there is no way I'm singing unless I'm drunk and playing singstar!

[bull]

My 2c, with your Mihimihi make sure that the stuff you put in there is stuff that YOU believe is true. So if you think that Hikurangi is your Maunga and means somethign to you then use it. Theres not really anyone out there that should be standing up and challenging you on who you think you are. Do note however that if someone also thinks they are linked to certain waka, maunga etc that they may wish to discuss with you the finer points so make sure you really have a good understanding of your claims.

[Trudes]

My 2c, with your Mihimihi make sure that the stuff you put in there is stuff that YOU believe is true. So if you think that Hikurangi is your Maunga and means somethign to you then use it. Theres not really anyone out there that should be standing up and challenging you on who you think you are. Do note however that if someone also thinks they are linked to certain waka, maunga etc that they may wish to discuss with you the finer points so make sure you really have a good understanding of your claims.

Thanks Bull, that's what I thought. I didn't really want to go about claiming I was was a decendant of any particular Maori Iwi when I'm not just in case someone asks me about such and such and I have no idea, it's just not true!!!
So this is what I have so far:
Tena Koutou, Tena Koutou, Tena Koutoua Katoa
No Manutuke, Turanga nui a Kiwa te Wahi
E noho ahau ki Whanga nui a Tara inaianei
Ko Waipaoa te awa
Ko White te Hapu
Ko Pakeha te Iwi
Ko Vivian White taku papa
Ko Sherryl Hill taku mama
Ko Trudi ahau.
Kia Ora Koutou.

[Finn]

The paper is Maori Development and the Social Services.

AKA The Gravy Paper.