Does P make you a better rider?

[Sidewinder]

Does P make you a better rider? well does it, would it? herd truck drivers have it for long hules! would it work on bikes, anyone tryed it? you cant realy smell it at all when it gets smoked, would it make you the next rossi? should they sell it at bike shops to make people lethal weapons on bikes? if your unsure ask skidmark amybe, i duno.
Have a think about it and maybe you will try some one day soon

[MadDuck]

herd truck drivers have it for long hules!

So if you "herd" truck drivers can use it on long "hules" then I guess you can judge where a "givvy up" sign and a "spot" sign are. Yep sounds like a plan to me :laugh:

[hospitalfood]

yes it would, in small dosage.
it is used by NASA I'm told. They used to give astronauts coffee but found that the side effects from small amounts of amphetamine are less than the side affects from coffee.

However, I'm yet to meet anyone sane and healthy who uses or has used speed on a regular basis, who will recommend that you take it.
I have used it more than once and I suggest that you do all you can to avoid it.

[Sidewinder]

yes it would, in small dosage.
it is used by NASA I'm told. They used to give astronauts coffee but found that the side effects from small amounts of amphetamine are less than the side affects from coffee.

However, I'm yet to meet anyone sane and healthy who uses or has used speed on a regular basis, who will recommend that you take it.
I have used it more than once and I suggest that you do all you can to avoid it.

oh you taking the piss or something? ill try and search that on the net and see if its true

[Number One]

PD in 5........4..............3..............2.......

[BAD DAD]

Don't know if it will make you a better rider.......It definately makes people into bigger dickheads.

[Sidewinder]

Don't know if it will make you a better rider.......It will definately makes people into bigger dickheads.

would it be good for asians? would make there eyes open proply.................:Police:

[CookMySock]

Dunno, but I took some strong painkillers once for my fucked ankle, and FUCK was I riding good or FUCKEN WHAT!!?! Hot damn I had my arse wayyy fucken off leanen the fucker way the fuck over, it was godlike, until I rounded one right-hander and clipped a branch off a tree lying right across my lane doing about 120k down this narrow country lane and then slid into the gravel and clipped a culvert and flipped the bitch. I slid about 50m on the grass verge and then sat up uninjured.

So was I doing well or not? At the time, yes. Now? I do not think so. I think that was about the biggest fuckup I have ever many in any vehicle, bar none.

Watch out for strong drugs.

Steve

[MadDuck]

Seems I need to try harder - my fourth red in six years. Thanks for that Sidewinder but no I wont "blow you" any time soon.

[Swoop]

Having a P makes me a much better rider. I hate riding with a full bladder.

[ManDownUnder]

Seems I need to try harder - my fourth red in six years. Thanks for that Sidewinder but no I wont "blow you" any time soon.

No offers to ride bums holes? Maybe that was a special offer just for me

[MadDuck]

No offers to ride bums holes? Maybe that was a special offer just for me

Maybe if I had been offered bum I could just about cope...but blow...umm...nup

[jimbo600]

Dunno mate. Pipe some up and hopefully you'll do us all a favour and off yourself.

[Boob Johnson]

Apparently US fighter pilots have been given speed for years so there must be some merit in it if a government lets drugged up pilots handle a 30mil piece of kit.

[peasea]

Does P make you a better rider? well does it, would it? herd truck drivers have it for long hules! would it work on bikes, anyone tryed it? you cant realy smell it at all when it gets smoked, would it make you the next rossi? should they sell it at bike shops to make people lethal weapons on bikes? if your unsure ask skidmark amybe, i duno.
Have a think about it and maybe you will try some one day soon

I'm going to take this thread one post at a time;

You might think you're a better rider. I don't think it actually improves your riding, more, it makes you more aware of what you're doing in certain circumstances.

[peasea]

yes it would, in small dosage.
it is used by NASA I'm told. They used to give astronauts coffee but found that the side effects from small amounts of amphetamine are less than the side affects from coffee.

However, I'm yet to meet anyone sane and healthy who uses or has used speed on a regular basis, who will recommend that you take it.
I have used it more than once and I suggest that you do all you can to avoid it.

You say this because?

I actually agree with you but I wonder where your wisdom comes from.

I stayed relatively sane on the stuff, my health stayed reasonably stable but I'd not recommend it to anyone.

maybe I'm different. (Hang on, yes I am different, very....)

[peasea]

PD in 5........4..............3..............2.......

Why PD it? I think it's a fair question.

You want the opinion of a past user? PM me.

[bigears]

thats got to be the silliest question out! Why do you think these trucks are falling off the roads? Many moons ago I vaguely remember riding stoned, worse than pissed! On a bike you need judgement all the above clouds it!
Ride Straight!!!!

[Usarka]

Causing injury or death while under the influence of drink or drug (and incapable of proper control of vehicle) [sect 61(2)]



Imprisonment for up to 5 years or a fine not exceeding $20,000, or both,
AND disqualification for at least 1 year

[peasea]

Don't know if it will make you a better rider.......It definately makes people into bigger dickheads.

Used it have you? Know people that have been sucked into the void do you?

Half the problem with drug abuse is ignorance; either the ignorance of the people using the drugs or the fucking no-brain do-gooders who think they have all the answers when the shit hits the fan.

If you have some sensible questions on what P might do to you PM me.

[peasea]

thats got to be the silliest question out! Why do you think these trucks are falling off the roads? Many moons ago I vaguely remember riding stoned, worse than pissed! On a bike you need judgement all the above clouds it!
Ride Straight!!!!


Unless there's some corners.

[peasea]

Causing injury or death while under the influence of drink or drug (and incapable of proper control of vehicle) [sect 61(2)]



Imprisonment for up to 5 years or a fine not exceeding $20,000, or both,
AND disqualification for at least 1 year


How often does the maximum penalty get handed down though?

I don't disagree with harsher penalties (or even dishing out the existing penalties) but until it happens, nothing will happen, if you get my drift.

[peasea]

thats got to be the silliest question out! Why do you think these trucks are falling off the roads? Many moons ago I vaguely remember riding stoned, worse than pissed! On a bike you need judgement all the above clouds it!
Ride Straight!!!!

I know plenty of truckers, some of whom have fallen off the road. Number one problem? Sleep deprivation. Reason? Corporate expectations.

[Usarka]

How often does the maximum penalty get handed down though?

True but the loss of licence is 1 year minimum. Just food for thought.

BTW - regarding the military use of amphetamine, the US mil use dexamphetamine (come on Eileen), not methamphetamine. However I believe the nazis used meth (including our old mate hitler).

Speed does make the mind sharper and more focused, but also creates anxiety. This anxiety is counter to the philosophy of riding "relaxed".

There is thought that the use of amphetamine is partially responsible for some of the "friendly fire" incidents over the last while. Which is why the US military are evaluating a new drug - midofanil (sp?) which supposedly has the awakening properties without the edginess.

[PrincessBandit]

Good golly gosh. I thought P stood for Pilates. Which might actually make you a better rider somehow....

Oh, Peeeeeeeeeeee. I would guess it's effects might be more like alcohol - make you think you're a better rider or think you've got preternatural awareness, like a vampire or something. When in reality your reactions won't be as good as those of an aware rider with a clean system.

[peasea]

True but the loss of licence is 1 year minimum. Just food for thought.

BTW - regarding the military use of amphetamine, the US mil use dexamphetamine (come on Eileen), not methamphetamine. However I believe the nazis used meth (including our old mate hitler).

Speed does make the mind sharper and more focused, but also creates anxiety. This anxiety is counter to the philosophy of riding "relaxed".

There is thought that the use of amphetamine is partially responsible for some of the "friendly fire" incidents over the last while. Which is why the US military are evaluating a new drug - midofanil (sp?) which supposedly has the awakening properties without the edginess.

Hence my comment re "makes you think you're a better rider".

I've used both speed and P (same thing, different form) whilst riding. In fact, I've been p'd up to the max, on the bourbon and had a smoke whilst riding, fairly fast, late at night with not very good lighting.

Spot the dork!

I'm not only man enough to point the finger at myself for stupidity but I think also it gives me some authority to tell others why not to do it.

I felt bullet-proof at the time, thought I was in total control etc. I might have been in control, nothing happened, I got home ok didn't I? Faaark. Never again.....

I've also been DIC'd twice, freakin stupid.

The trouble with P is; the first thing that goes out the window is reason. You might, just might, be able to reason with a drunk, and at least they come right in the morning. P users might take days to come right when on a bender. I know. I've been there, spent way too much money on the crap and got into some unnecessary biffo. These days I'm happy to have a few bourbons, leave the machinery parked up and maybe spark up a spliff if there's some about, without any biffo. Apart from a good E there's nothing out there I crave any more. Maybe I'm lucky I don't have an addictive nature.

Cheers
pc

[peasea]

Good golly gosh. I thought P stood for Pilates. Which might actually make you a better rider somehow....

Oh, Peeeeeeeeeeee. I would guess it's effects might be more like alcohol - make you think you're a better rider or think you've got preternatural awareness, like a vampire or something. When in reality your reactions won't be as good as those of an aware rider with a clean system.

Does All Bran give you the clean system of which you speak?

[davebullet]

Like alcohol, many drugs reduce a driver’s ability to have full control of a motor vehicle. Drugs have different and profound effects on a person’s mood and behaviour, depending on the type of drug involved. Some of the effects of illegal drugs are listed below.

Cannabis and heroin –can slow down a person’s reaction time, distort perception of speed and distance, reduce concentration and coordination when driving.

Methamphetamine (speed), ecstasy and cocaine - can lead to over-confidence, rash decision making and risk taking, and tiredness caused by an inability to sleep can affect a driver’s reflexes and concentration.

Hallucinogens –affect hearing and sight as well as the perception of time, distance and movement, and they can make a person sense things that don’t exist.

Multiple drug use - using a combination of drugs can lead to extreme and varied effects such as dramatically slowed reaction times, visual distortion, inability to judge speeds and distances, and risk taking.

[CookMySock]

Why do you think these trucks are falling off the roads? Many moons ago I vaguely remember riding stoned, worse than pissed!That is not a very well-presented opinion. I don't think "trucks fall off the road" coz their drivers are all wasted, and if it is, then lets see some references. Trucks are reasonably complex pieces of equipment to move at speed, and it is quite easy to put them into the "no going back" part of the curve, where there is, ahh, no going back, and off the road you go!

With regard to alcohol vs weed ; I find alcohol really incapacitating. It is extremely difficult to even keep my eyes focused on the road, let alone stay on task. It's fucking stupid riding pissed. Weed on the other hand is real eye opener. It is abundantly clear to the stoned rider to not be an ass, and it is also abundantly clear that if they DO come off, its going to fucking HURT REAL BAD, and if they are PLENTY stoned, it is unlikely they will even have the balls to get out of that give way sign, hehehe.

Steve

[bungbung]

BTW - regarding the military use of amphetamine, the US mil use dexamphetamine (come on Eileen), not methamphetamine. However I believe the nazis used meth (including our old mate hitler).

"Kamikaze attack medicine" can be helpful for some

[Sidewinder]

I'm going to take this thread one post at a time;

You might think you're a better rider. I don't think it actually improves your riding, more, it makes you more aware of what you're doing in certain circumstances.

so if your good its gona make you kick ass because you wont miss a beat?

[Sidewinder]

I had, nah wait i still do have a mate, he just dont have a bike that works now. But he use to ride stoned 24/7 and i mean hard out. Did the coro loop with him one day and im sure he smoked lik 8 joints on the ride! but then he stopped smoking up on rides, then it all started to happen, he must of crashed his bike lik 3 times in a few months and its completely fooked now.
My point is i havent seen people on drugs ride that bad! never had a mate that smokes P crash either

[fatzx10r]

I had, nah wait i still do have a mate, he just dont have a bike that works now. But he use to ride stoned 24/7 and i mean hard out. Did the coro loop with him one day and im sure he smoked lik 8 joints on the ride! but then he stopped smoking up on rides, then it all started to happen, he must of crashed his bike lik 3 times in a few months and its completely fooked now.
My point is i havent seen people on drugs ride that bad! never had a mate that smokes P crash either

smoking lot's of pot make's you ride at 30kph, lol.

p is just for fuckwit's

[Sidewinder]

smoking lot's of pot make's you ride at 30kph, lol.

p is just for fuckwit's

how do you know, you tryed them both?

[hospitalfood]

BTW - regarding the military use of amphetamine, the US mil use dexamphetamine (come on Eileen), not methamphetamine. However I believe the nazis used meth (including our old mate hitler).



was not invented till some time in the 50s, before that there were others stimulants but they were not as effective and the side effects were even worse.

[PrincessBandit]

Does All Bran give you the clean system of which you speak?

no, that would be P for Prunes

[Lias]

Taking medical quality methamphetamines would almost certainly have some benefits to riding(Users experience an increase in focus, increased mental alertness, and the elimination of fatigue), but you need to remember what you buy and smoke in the old glass pipe is cut, diluted, and adulterated with god only knows what.

Not to mention the small army of possible side effects, and problems associated with regular usage.

[peasea]

so if your good its gona make you kick ass because you wont miss a beat?

I wouldn't suggest that anyone tries it.

[peasea]

I had, nah wait i still do have a mate, he just dont have a bike that works now. But he use to ride stoned 24/7 and i mean hard out. Did the coro loop with him one day and im sure he smoked lik 8 joints on the ride! but then he stopped smoking up on rides, then it all started to happen, he must of crashed his bike lik 3 times in a few months and its completely fooked now.
My point is i havent seen people on drugs ride that bad! never had a mate that smokes P crash either

Nor me, thankfully.

[pete376403]

was not invented till some time in the 50s, before that there were others stimulants but they were not as effective and the side effects were even worse.
A bit before that, actually:

The history of methamphetamine
Jan 18, 1887: Amphetamine was originally synthesized at Universität Berlin by Romanian chemist Lazar Edeleanu (1861-1941) and originally called phenylisopropylamine. It was then forgotten for the next 4 decades.


1919: Methamphetamine is synthesized by Japanese scientist A. Ogata.

1930: Amphetamine was found to raise blood pressure.

1932: Amphetamine is marketed as 'benzedrine' by Smith, Kline & French, in an over-the-counter inhaler to treat congestion.

1935: Amphetamine's stimulant effect is recognized and doctors successfully utilize it to treat narcolepsy.

1937: Amphetamine is authorized by the American Medical Association for sale in tablet form. It is sold by prescription for the treatment of narcolepsy and ADHD (attention deficit hyperactivity disorder).

World War II: Both Amphetamine and Methamphetamine are largely administered to soldiers to help improve performance. This led to addiction issues in Japan after the war.

1940: Methamphetamine is marketed under the brand name "Methedrine" by Burroughs Wellcome.

1942: Dextro-amphetamine and methamphetamine are readily available.

1950 – 1953: U.S. administers amphetamine to soldiers in Korea.

1954: Height of the Japanese amphetamine epidemic. There are approximated to be more than 2 million amphetamine users in a population of 88.5 million.

1959: Original report of IV injection of contents from Benzedrine inhalers.

1963: Illegal speed manufacture starts when the Attorney General of California asks that injectable ampoules be removed from the market.

1960's: Methamphetamine consumption increases in the United States.

1970: Amphetamine is regulated under schedule II in the U.S. with the passage of the 'U.S. Drug Abuse Regulation and Control Act of 1970'. This makes it illicit to possess without a prescription.

Oct 27, 1970: The Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act is approved. Part II of this is the Controlled Substance Act (CSA) which defines a scheduling system for drugs. It places the majority of the known hallucinogens (LSD, psilocybin, psilocin, mescaline, peyote, cannabis, & MDA) in Schedule I. It classifies coca, cocaine and injectable methamphetamine in Schedule II. Other amphetamines and stimulants, such as non-injectable methamphetamine are under Schedule III.

Jul 7, 1971: Amphetamine and Methamphetamine (non-injectable) are now classified under Schedule II.

Late 1980's: Smoked Methamphetamine gains in popularity.

http://www.methamphetamine-addiction.net/methamphetamine-history.htm

[Korea]

1937: Amphetamine is authorized by the American Medical Association for sale in tablet form. It is sold by prescription for the treatment of narcolepsy and ADHD (attention deficit hyperactivity disorder).


This confuses me - give speed to already hyperactive kids? How does that work? :wacko:

[jim.cox]

no, that would be P for Prunes

Which we know aren't good for riding

'cos they make you keep having to stop for a dump

[Shaun]

smoking lot's of pot make's you ride at 30kph, lol.

p is just for fuckwit's


Agree mate! I watched a very close friend change big time over a period of 12 months smoking that shit! P is what is helping kill people and keep crimianls rich only, it is a dam epedemic in this country now

[Sidewinder]

Agree mate! I watched a very close friend change big time over a period of 12 months smoking that shit! P is what is helping kill people and keep crimianls rich only, it is a dam epedemic in this country now

if it was a real free country there wouldnt be a problem with any drug would there?

[jim.cox]

if it was a real free country there wouldnt be a problem with any drug would there?

Actually I think there would still be. We would probably get even more sleep-deprived psychotics running around :(

[Sidewinder]

Actually I think there would still be. We would probably get even more sleep-deprived psychotics running around :(

come on your lucky to see me smoke weed but why should they say people cant take drugs? its up to the person if they wana get fooked up! but realy this country is such a control freak and if they made it legal it would be such a dodge black market busnes and they wouldnt have to put the rego price up on bikes or cut back on acc with all the tax they would steal from it all

[jim.cox]

but why should they say people cant take drugs?


Probably because experience has shown that many can't. Thats what "addiction" means.

[Sidewinder]

Probably because experience has shown that many can't. Thats what "addiction" means.

being an acohlic is aloud and so is smoking, there both addictions!

[SPman]

herd truck drivers have it for long hules!

I don't think it's just Tongan stock truck drivers using it.....

[Sidewinder]

I don't think it's just just Tongan stock truck drivers using it.....

nah i know white people that do aswell

[Del Fuego]

if it was a real free country there wouldnt be a problem with any drug would there?

I love this argument. Be it for P, Alcohol, Tobacco whatever. "If it were a free country drugs wouldn't need regulation... neither would speeding, road rules etc etc"

Unfortunately this argument falls over when the actions affect other members of the community. If drunks didn't drive and crash into people, beat their wives and random strangers in the pub etc.

Free country argument = Fail

[Sidewinder]

I love this argument. Be it for P, Alcohol, Tobacco whatever. "If it were a free country drugs wouldn't need regulation... neither would speeding, road rules etc etc"

Unfortunately this argument falls over when the actions affect other members of the community. If drunks didn't drive and crash into people, beat their wives and random strangers in the pub etc.

Free country argument = Fail

yea then they are lying to us by saying it is a free country then arint they?

[skidMark]

yea then they are lying to us by saying it is a free country then arint they?


Who told you that? I concur with the fag on the scooter...

[peasea]

come on your lucky to see me smoke weed but why should they say people cant take drugs? its up to the person if they wana get fooked up! but realy this country is such a control freak and if they made it legal it would be such a dodge black market busnes and they wouldnt have to put the rego price up on bikes or cut back on acc with all the tax they would steal from it all

In my fairly extensive experience with drugs (alcohol is not only included in that bracket, it's a major player) there are many people who simply can't handle particular drugs in any quantity yet others can shove down truckloads. I agree to a certain extent that it's your bod, you choose but again I'll fly the 'education not legislation' flag.

Some folk have more addictive natures than others and P is highly addictive. I wouldn't like to see P made legal, E yes, pot yes (tax the users, like tobacco and grog) so there's at least some small amount of cash to save their sorry arses when they finally realise they're alcoholics or nicotine addicts. I have a sister who simply cannot stop smoking. It's sad to watch. I have a mate who's blown two inheritances and plenty more on P, also sad to witness. It was their choice to start though, as it was mine, but I have a less addictive nature, kicked the ciggies, the pot (generally speaking), the P and a bunch more...I'm ONLY an alcoholic now. Lucky me.

[peasea]

yea then they are lying to us by saying it is a free country then arint they?

Talking about freedom and being free are two different things.

[Sidewinder]

Who told you that? I concur with the fag on the scooter...
i dont have a scooter you toser, but yes to the fag part!


In my fairly extensive experience with drugs (alcohol is not only included in that bracket, it's a major player) there are many people who simply can't handle particular drugs in any quantity yet others can shove down truckloads. I agree to a certain extent that it's your bod, you choose but again I'll fly the 'education not legislation' flag.


Some folk have more addictive natures than others and P is highly addictive. I wouldn't like to see P made legal, E yes, pot yes (tax the users, like tobacco and grog) so there's at least some small amount of cash to save their sorry arses when they finally realise they're alcoholics or nicotine addicts. I have a sister who simply cannot stop smoking. It's sad to watch. I have a mate who's blown two inheritances and plenty more on P, also sad to witness. It was their choice to start though, as it was mine, but I have a less addictive nature, kicked the ciggies, the pot (generally speaking), the P and a bunch more...I'm ONLY an alcoholic now. Lucky me.
yea i like 'education not legislation' is sounds catchie but makes sence at the same time, cant beleive i use to pick on you on this site............

Talking about freedom and being free are two different things.
yea but what one is the goverment saying and or meaning when they say its a free country?

[jim.cox]

i dont have a scooter you toser, but yes to the fag part!

And I thought it is Fags that toss each other :puzzled:

[Del Fuego]

I think the scooter fag he mentioned was me. Freedom is all well and fine, unfortunately you can't have a completely free society (without some guidelines and responsibility)... simply because without some sort of responsiblity to the rest of the community the place falls apart.

Actually I guess you could have a complete anarchist society, not sure it would be a particularly pleasant place to live

[Sidewinder]

And I thought it is Fags that toss each other :puzzled:

you can toss yourself, i do when im on this site!

[Sidewinder]

I think the scooter fag he mentioned was me. Freedom is all well and fine, unfortunately you can't have a completely free society (without some guidelines and responsibility)... simply because without some sort of responsiblity to the rest of the community the place falls apart.

Actually I guess you could have a complete anarchist society, not sure it would be a particularly pleasant place to live

but there we go again with the word 'free' why use it if it isn't? their all full of shit arint they?

[Kaituna]

The only good thing about P is it's only ever 1 sleep until Christmas!:crazy:

[Sidewinder]

The only good thing about P is it's only ever 1 sleep until Christmas!:crazy:

i can never wait till xmas so i better start smoking up now then, your in hams hook us up! be down te rapa to night snice im legal again!

[jim.cox]

The only good thing about P is it's only ever 1 sleep until Christmas!:crazy:

I used to live in Alaska

Up there, in summer, the 24 hour daylight does some strange things to people - especially the "Cheechakos"

Lots of sleep-deprived psycho zombies

just like Amphetamine addicts - except they got their kick for free

Want to know what an amphetamine addiction coupled with lack of sleep can do for paranoia? Take a look at one Mr A Hitler, Berlin 1945.

[Kaituna]

I used to work in a secure Forensic psych unit.................I know all the great things that P can do to a punters brain. Latent mental illness + P = dead people, usually family. Nice.

[Sidewinder]

I used to live in Alaska

Up there, in summer, the 24 hour daylight does some strange things to people - especially the "Cheechakos"

Lots of sleep-deprived psycho zombies

just like Amphetamine addicts - except they got their kick for free

Want to know what an amphetamine addiction coupled with lack of sleep can do for paranoia? Take a look at one Mr A Hitler, Berlin 1945.


that dude was the mean druggie, but he ruled half the world at one stage so couldn't of been that bad for him!
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2007/08/07/hitler460.jpg

[Kaituna]

Latent mental illness + P = dead people

Seeeeeeeeeee.

[Sidewinder]

i'd say not look at all his alive soliers!http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/33d/projects/1920s/HitlerSaltuesArmy.jpg

[Kaituna]

Thats it boysw, line up, yes you. If you can fit under my hand you can go on the ride........

[alanzs]

This confuses me - give speed to already hyperactive kids? How does that work? :wacko:

Don't know how it works other than their brains are wired a bit differently than most, so stimulants will actually make the person feel calmer. People self medicate with coffee to try to get the "calm" effect.

[Sidewinder]

Or his mate http://realwarphotos.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/G23104B.9183535_std.jpg

[Sidewinder]

Thats it boysw, line up, yes you. If you can fit under my hand you can go on the ride........

oh i remember them days at rainbowsend!

[peasea]

but there we go again with the word 'free' why use it if it isn't? their all full of shit arint they?

I'd have to agree to a certain extent. We're free to move house if we want, work for anyone who'll have us and eat what we want. In some places you can't do any of those.

However, in NZ you're not free to do anything you like to your own body (like smoke a spliff if the mood takes you) unless you do it without making a spectacle of yourself.

I do what the fuck I want and by staying below the radar I do it in complete freedom. It's called discretion.

[Sidewinder]

I'd have to agree to a certain extent. We're free to move house if we want, work for anyone who'll have us and eat what we want. In some places you can't do any of those.

However, in NZ you're not free to do anything you like to your own body (like smoke a spliff if the mood takes you) unless you do it without making a spectacle of yourself.

I do what the fuck I want and by staying below the radar I do it in complete freedom. It's called discretion.

isn't it called FTP(fook the police)?
what they don't know can't hert them!

[peasea]

isn't it called FTP(fook the police)?
what they don't know can't hert them!


Actually; what the police don't know can't hurt ME! (Or you, as the case may be...)

[Sidewinder]

Actually; what the police don't know can't hurt ME! (Or you, as the case may be...)

dont know, what would they do it the knocked on the door and out came a shot gun, and there wernt any houses around or people that would care if they herd a gun shot? tie them up like bitches! just like you would to gang members! ok the police arnt all that bad but ya get my idea.....

[davebullet]

"drugs and nazis are bad, m'kay?"

[wbks]

Sounds like sidewinder's already on P...

[vtec]

Used it have you? Know people that have been sucked into the void do you?

Half the problem with drug abuse is ignorance; either the ignorance of the people using the drugs or the fucking no-brain do-gooders who think they have all the answers when the shit hits the fan.

If you have some sensible questions on what P might do to you PM me.

I don't think most users would be able to give you impartial clear headed observations about the effects of P. The best people to give you advice on the effects of drugs are those who have witnessed it from a clear headed (ie. not messed up) perspective.

I know people who haven't quite been sucked into the void. But if they weren't already, then P turns them into self absorbed destructive bastards. Really sad. Drug usage in itself is a really selfish endeavour in the first place. Gluttony comes to mind. Had enough food? Well what can I shove in my face or down my throat next.

With regard to riding better, all you need is a good adrenal system. Adrenalin and endorphins are the best drugs for awareness and riding awesome. As long as you don't get too pumped on adrenaline and cortisol(stress), which seems to happen a lot in police chases, as that can really throw your timing off, and cause you to misjudge and crash.

Also, I think P burns out your endorphin receptors in your brain over time, and reduces your brains ability to receive hormonal/natural stimulation, meaning that the bodies natural stimulants have less and less of an effect. In otherwords, you get burnt out.

[Sidewinder]

Sounds like sidewinder's already on P...

nah man im a crack whore!

[carver]

I think the scooter fag he mentioned was me. Freedom is all well and fine, unfortunately you can't have a completely free society (without some guidelines and responsibility)... simply because without some sort of responsiblity to the rest of the community the place falls apart.

Actually I guess you could have a complete anarchist society, not sure it would be a particularly pleasant place to live

how about you can do what you like as long as you do not hurt or impose on the freedom of others

[peasea]

I don't think most users would be able to give you impartial clear headed observations about the effects of P. The best people to give you advice on the effects of drugs are those who have witnessed it from a clear headed (ie. not messed up) perspective.

I know people who haven't quite been sucked into the void. But if they weren't already, then P turns them into self absorbed destructive bastards. Really sad. Drug usage in itself is a really selfish endeavour in the first place. Gluttony comes to mind. Had enough food? Well what can I shove in my face or down my throat next.

With regard to riding better, all you need is a good adrenal system. Adrenalin and endorphins are the best drugs for awareness and riding awesome. As long as you don't get too pumped on adrenaline and cortisol(stress), which seems to happen a lot in police chases, as that can really throw your timing off, and cause you to misjudge and crash.

Also, I think P burns out your endorphin receptors in your brain over time, and reduces your brains ability to receive hormonal/natural stimulation, meaning that the bodies natural stimulants have less and less of an effect. In otherwords, you get burnt out.

You've got a few things right but I'll disagree on one point.

How can anyone say that a particular drug will do something without having some experience with it? You need guinea pigs for any drug, be they cancer drugs, pecker-perkers, cold 'cures' or whatever. I firmly believe that my kids take my advice on drugs positively because they know I've been there, they trust me and I can tell them what will do what to their bodies and heads. Although, different people will react differently to different things. I lose the plot quite seriously on whiskey, so I rarely drink it and even then only in moderation. Most of my (low level) criminal record is down to whiskey, not drugs.

Education is critical to everything, not just work or staying alive in this hectic world but also in regard to life skills, skills that are unfortunately not taught in schools. You NEED some folk who have been on the 'other' side of the fence, so to speak, to point youngsters in the right direction. Saying "don't do this" means nothing when it comes from a straight-laced copper or whoever, saying "don't do this because....(this will happen)...I know I've been there and it sucks" carries far more weight.

IMHO

[alanzs]

how about you can do what you like as long as you do not hurt or impose on the freedom of others

Freedom is the issue. Prohibition doesn't work. :clap:

[SARGE]

holy shit is this thread still alive???


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[SARGE]

holy shit is this thread still alive???


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[The Pastor]

I think in the correct medicated dose, P would make you more alert and possibly a better rider.

[Cheshire Cat]

Does P make you a better rider? well does it, would it? herd truck drivers have it for long hules! would it work on bikes, anyone tryed it? you cant realy smell it at all when it gets smoked, would it make you the next rossi? should they sell it at bike shops to make people lethal weapons on bikes? if your unsure ask skidmark amybe, i duno.
Have a think about it and maybe you will try some one day soon

Honestly? what a load of shit.

[Sidewinder]

Honestly? what a load of shit.

but dont you just love it?

[Cheshire Cat]

but dont you just love it?

What do you think?! <_<:weird:

[Sidewinder]

What do you think?! <_<:weird:

i think it makes your heart race!

[scumdog]

Number one problem? Sleep deprivation. Reason? Corporate expectations.

READ: No balls to say 'no' to the boss.

[scumdog]

how about you can do what you like as long as you do not hurt or impose on the freedom of others

Or find a way to blame 'somebody else' if your actions DO hurt others.......

[peasea]

READ: No balls to say 'no' to the boss.

Do that and you'll be replaced. Seen it with my own eyes, more than once.