TV1 - Close Up @ 7.00pm - Returning riders causing accidents (20 March) [Archive] - Page 2

MSTRS

22nd March 2009, 12:42

Flying light aircraft is also dangerous, - but good inspection skills, piloting skills and commonsense (and rules) overcomes this, whereas, on a bike you are really free as the breeze and even f-wits are allowed to ride!

And the difference between the two is? Pilots don't make mistakes? Remember Erebus? And the recent tragedy off the South coast of France?
And fuckwits are allowed to fly too, Paul Holmes has a pilot's licence

WilDun

22nd March 2009, 12:53

Remember Erebus? And the recent tragedy off the South coast of France?
And fuckwits are allowed to fly too, Paul Holmes has a pilot's licence

The DC10 and the Airbus are light aircraft??

Paul Holmes did have the sense to get out! anyway, he's exempt from the generalisation, - he's a case all on his own!

WilDun

22nd March 2009, 12:55

And best of all, thankfully,he's not interested in bikes!

BMWST?

22nd March 2009, 12:57

the greater public has always thought of motorcyclists as 2 percenters,nothing changed there.
I actually thought that Goff presented us IN A GOOD LIGHT,and more than once the 50 percent stat was aired.It may lead to some publicity for us and for other road users.That surely must be a good thing for eveyone.
I predict some sort of tv "education "time is coming

WilDun

22nd March 2009, 13:00

Yes It'll be good for the bikers and also good for Labour, John Key will probably buy a Harley now!

_Shrek_

22nd March 2009, 13:06

This thread is loosing it's relavance. :doh: John.

bit like most of the ....... that post in here :whistle:

davebullet

22nd March 2009, 13:07

Sadly, popular media reconfirms popular opinion. Campbell and the other guy wouldn't be nearly as popular if they went against public opinion.

Why don't they canvas for better road maintenance or subsidised advanced riding courses? Because they care about reporting it, but don't care about fixing it (that's not their job). A problem fixed is a problem that can no longer be reported on, and that's bad sales for current affairs programmes.

WilDun

22nd March 2009, 13:12

bit like most of the ....... that post in here :whistle:

So show us what we should be saying!

BMWST?

22nd March 2009, 13:16

_Shrek_

22nd March 2009, 13:37

This thread is loosing it's relavance. :doh: John.

bit like most of the ....... that post in here :whistle:

Agreed, its turned into (in good ole' KB fashion) Chinese Whispers....:psst:

Starting with.... returning rider buying big bikes and crashing....onto Harley Bashing and then shock horror...personal attackes!!!

So show us what we should be saying!

i see you are new, so welcome to KB but i would suggest that you read the hole thread & see where it has gone from the start

my quote to oldrider had two msg in it one to him & one to agree with what he & Maha said about this thread

Naki Rat

22nd March 2009, 13:38

Now, I'm not saying that the biker who was killed was squeaky clean, whatever he was doing played a part. BUT how many of us that watched saw the long patch of tar bleed leading up to the crash site? And just knew that there was a big part of what happened? And how many car drivers saw the same thing? And never clicked as to the effect? Because, in general, 'they' are not affected by this major problem.
In HB we have our share of this shit, but a recent trip I did to Taranaki shocked me as to the extent of it there. Is the cause massive truck movements of the milk tanker variety?
The slightest bit of damp on this crap, and the unwary motorcyclist is dead meat. But the stats will only reflect 'single vehicle motorcycle fatality'. So Johnny Careful-But-Unlucky is now a hoon.

SH3 is our only route north out of Taranaki and it is a very 'challenging' piece of highway in places and also gets an additional thrashing when it becomes the alternative route for SH1 when snow closes the central plateau.

It is local knowledge that Mt Messenger is notorious for diesel (and cowshit) spills as the trucks grind their way over it and for this reason it is a death trap during the first rain following a dry spell. Sure Taranaki has it's milk tankers but then we don't have the logging trucks that other areas do. As somebody said a while back it's all about riding (or driving) to the conditions.

_Shrek_

22nd March 2009, 13:53

It is local knowledge that Mt Messenger is notorious for diesel (and cowshit) spills as the trucks grind their way over it and for this reason it is a death trap during the first rain following a dry spell. Sure Taranaki has it's milk tankers but then we don't have the logging trucks that other areas do. As somebody said a while back it's all about riding (or driving) to the conditions.

this to me is PC :bs: ^^^

:brick: so why isn't something being down about "the spills"

:angry2: how can you drive to the conditions if you can't always see the damm things :argh:

Mom

22nd March 2009, 13:59

:brick: so why isn't something being down about "the spills"

I live between two of NZ's top 10 black spot bits of road. Local knowledge also plays a big part in safe travel around here. I can guarantee the fire siren will go off within 15 mins of the fist rain after a dry spell. It will head north to the Dome Valley where some car will have gone off at Falls Bridge, or it will be heading south to clean up an accident on Schedewys Hill.

Stock trucks deposit shit on our roads every day despite it being illegal, no amount of complaining does any good. As for diesel, how to police it? I watched a truck turn onto SH1 in Warkworth tipping diesel out from the tank and heading north towards the Dome. Rang the police when I got home (literally 2 mins) and they did not want to know. I even write to my MP about it, he agrees it is a problem too...LOL

AllanB

22nd March 2009, 14:05

Yes It'll be good for the bikers and also good for Labour, John Key will probably buy a Harley now!

Heck no - John Key will buy a Honda :clap:

Remember - "you meet the nicest people on a Honda"

Obviously I'm proof of that..... :rolleyes:

naphazoline

22nd March 2009, 14:14

Unlike Harleys - when you are on the loud pedal on a Busa you are moving!

Good point.Too true.

MSTRS

22nd March 2009, 14:22

SH3 is our only route north out of Taranaki and it is a very 'challenging' piece of highway in places and also gets an additional thrashing when it becomes the alternative route for SH1 when snow closes the central plateau.

It is local knowledge that Mt Messenger is notorious for diesel (and cowshit) spills as the trucks grind their way over it and for this reason it is a death trap during the first rain following a dry spell. Sure Taranaki has it's milk tankers but then we don't have the logging trucks that other areas do. As somebody said a while back it's all about riding (or driving) to the conditions.

Actually, I came in from the south and left by the north, and it was just as bad on both. And the road into Whanga...goddamn that was 'interesting'...
And my comment about milk tankers is sound...there would be far more of those 'runs' on the roads around you than there would be logging runs elsewhere. Once or twice a day to/from every* dairy farm, 365 days a year.

* barring of course the dried-off industry suppliers in the winter months. But there are still the town supply runs

_Shrek_

22nd March 2009, 14:33

Stock trucks deposit shit on our roads every day despite it being illegal, no amount of complaining does any good. As for diesel, how to police it? I watched a truck turn onto SH1 in Warkworth tipping diesel out from the tank and heading north towards the Dome. Rang the police when I got home (literally 2 mins) and they did not want to know. I even write to my MP about it, he agrees it is a problem too...LOL

I hear you Mom as I drive trucks & machines (not stock) but there needs to be a guard put around diesel tanks to stop the cats eyes & or other objects from flicking up & punchering the tanks other times like what you witnessed the dipshit has for got to put the cap on the tank & the stock drivers need to be trained to emty their tanks sooner rather than later, but this again is a minority of drivers

road conditions have got to be the biggest factor & yet the gvt isn't doing enough about this, to me their answer is blame the biker for being 38 & over never mind there's a shit load of us that have been riding for over 35 years & yes there is a minority of us that are giving the rest of us a bad name

WilDun

22nd March 2009, 14:35

i see you are new, so welcome to KB but i would suggest that you read the hole thread

yeah I'm new - and thanks for the welcome, - haven't got time to read all of it, just so long as you don't think I'm one of the ......posters!!:confused:

dipshit

22nd March 2009, 14:38

Well as I've always said...no matter ho long you've been riding you're still always learning. Next time you're up this way...I'd love you to give me some lessons.

I hope it won't be just a 'my dick is bigger than yours' session..??

dipshit

22nd March 2009, 14:44

2. No-one has commented that the program, being aimed at the general viewing public (who don't ride), simply confirmed that public's belief that bikers bring it all on themselves.

And imagine the stomach turning hypocrisy the public must feel if they were to hear motorcycle bodies like BRONZ calling for better education of *car drivers* to reduce motorcycle deaths... especially after witnessing idiotic suicidal riding on our roads on almost a daily basis. :crazy:

MSTRS

22nd March 2009, 15:03

And imagine the stomach turning hypocrisy the public must feel if they were to hear motorcycle bodies like BRONZ calling for better education of *car drivers* to reduce motorcycle deaths... especially after witnessing idiotic suicidal riding on our roads on almost a daily basis. :crazy:

From their perspective as a car driver, that may be the appearance. We all know different, in most of those perceived cases of idiocy, but without any terms of reference for a car driver they can never be educated as to the reality of riding.
It would be nice if it was at least tried at a national level through the media tho...

Swoop

22nd March 2009, 15:11

it did appear to me it was just an opportunaty to get phil goof ... i mean goff ...on the tele as he is a rating dud... he reverted to a gigling dick in the later part of the segment anyway.
Quite correct. This appears to be another "State Funded Media" attempt to push their beloved Looney Labourite Sect and their equally stupid agenda. The sooner that tvnz is sold off, the better!

Yesterday I rode 100mts with my jacket undone/no gloves and helmet on but not done up.
That was silly! Your hat could have blown off and been damaged...

Well Mr crashalot, maybe you're not as good a rider as you think you are.
So CFWB is "pushing the envelope" of riding? So does this mean that you are pushing the envelope of stupidity?:scratch:

Pilots don't make mistakes? And fuckwits are allowed to fly too, Paul Holmes has a pilot's licence
Anyone remember the aircraft wreckage he managed to (unfortunately) walk away from?

dipshit

22nd March 2009, 15:12

it could help the other twenty five percent!

Yes it would help some... but it wouldn't make a big a difference as educating motorcyclists would.

And it needs to be done in that order so the general public can see motorcyclists are trying do something about it before we should expect any respect or (edit) lack of apathy from them.

Crasherfromwayback

22nd March 2009, 15:19

I hope it won't be just a 'my dick is bigger than yours' session..??

Not at all mate...cause that competition is easily won if you're the opposition.

It's just that you're good enough to critique my riding ability without knowing the full story...so I gather you must think you're pretty handy on a motorcycle.

So I could obviously learn a lot from you. Looking forward to it.

dipshit

22nd March 2009, 15:29

So I could obviously learn a lot from you. Looking forward to it.

You really think highly of yourself don't you.

Ocean1

22nd March 2009, 15:34

this to me is PC :bs: ^^^

:brick: so why isn't something being down about "the spills"

:angry2: how can you drive to the conditions if you can't always see the damm things :argh:

So, not just a vacuous wasteland of blithering ill focused one-hit broken records then.

Perfectly correct of course, only an idiot assumes the road surface is an endlessly perfect continuum, but neither can anyone be expected to ride to the worst possible surface conditions all the time. I reckon the trick is to ride with enough in reserve to accommodate any merely very unlikely surface defects. Any more conservative than that and you’d be riding a trials bike and inspecting every corner on foot first.

Interesting wee ad on the telly the other day, landmines magically appearing as a car drives faster. Utter bullshit of course, there’s no such thing as magic. The landmines are nothing to do with speed, they appear as a result of someone else’s action or inaction. I don’t think it’s too much to ask that the relative authorities should be responsible for maintaining roads so that it’s safe to ride at a reasonably consistent pace.

Diesel spills as a primary cause of bike accidents probably ain’t recorded, but based on my personal experience I’d bet it’s a fairly serious problem. Nobody should be expected to be able to deal with landmines, at any speed, and I get tetchy about the knowing looks and “ride to the conditions” brigade whenever the likelihood of diesel as an accident cause is mentioned.

Consistency, be it hot-mix, chip seal or gravel, it’s not a big ask, surely.

MSTRS

22nd March 2009, 15:49

Yes it would help some... but it wouldn't make a big a difference as educating motorcyclists would.

And it needs to be done in that order so the general public can see motorcyclists are trying do something about it before we should expect any respect or apathy from them.

That, for the most part, IS exactly what we already get from 'them'. That, and scorn for 'our wicked ways'.
As I said, educating car drivers would be great, but since they lack any terms of reference they will not understand. Respect etc comes from understanding...they would have to actually ride to understand. And, mostly, that would be a failure because it can take years of riding to gather the skills and confidence reqd to do some of the things that we are seen to be doing dangerously.

_Shrek_

22nd March 2009, 16:03

So, not just a vacuous wasteland of blithering ill focused one-hit broken records then.

Perfectly correct of course, only an idiot assumes the road surface is an endlessly perfect continuum, but neither can anyone be expected to ride to the worst possible surface conditions all the time. I reckon the trick is to ride with enough in reserve to accommodate any merely very unlikely surface defects. Any more conservative than that and you’d be riding a trials bike and inspecting every corner on foot first.

Diesel spills as a primary cause of bike accidents probably ain’t recorded, but based on my personal experience I’d bet it’s a fairly serious problem. Nobody should be expected to be able to deal with landmines, at any speed, and I get tetchy about the knowing looks and “ride to the conditions” brigade whenever the likelihood of diesel as an accident cause is mentioned.

Consistency, be it hot-mix, chip seal or gravel, it’s not a big ask, surely.

I have averaged anywhere between 50-65k a year over the last three years the last acc was the only time i've wrecked my bike it had been raining for about an hour & I didn't know it had happened until I came too, speed was between 70 & 80 kph I was riding to the "conditions" :confused:

& consistency would be just great :clap:

dipshit

22nd March 2009, 16:16

As I said, educating car drivers would be great, but since they lack any terms of reference they will not understand.

So when they see a group of harley riders coming at them while overtaking on double yellows through a motorway tunnel... or they read in Monday's paper that half the road fatalities over the weekend were motorcyclists who fell off the roads all by themselves...

...you want car drivers to think it's ok and normal?

Well i suppose that's one way to overcome the problem of a bad public image! :beer:

MSTRS

22nd March 2009, 16:23

So when they see a group of harley riders coming at them while overtaking on double yellows through a motorway tunnel... or they read in Monday's paper that half the road fatalities over the weekend were motorcyclists who fell off the roads all by themselves...

...you want car drivers to think it's ok and normal?

Well i suppose that's one way to overcome the problem of a bad public image! :beer:

Well, duh!!! I'm beginning to think that you must be on the production team at CloseUp...cherry-picking sound bites and assuming stuff not said.
My point is that cagers seldom know the difference in biker 'behaviour' and just assume that it is all dangerous. And only riding for themselves would illustrate that fact for them.

dipshit

22nd March 2009, 16:35

Well, duh!!! I'm beginning to think that you must be on the production team at CloseUp...cherry-picking sound bites and assuming stuff not said.
My point is that cagers seldom know the difference in biker 'behaviour' and just assume that it is all dangerous. And only riding for themselves would illustrate that fact for them.

I'm beginning to think you are a committee member of BRONZ... 'motorcyclist's shit doesn't stink. Fucking cage driving sheeple are the problem and need educating.'

MSTRS

22nd March 2009, 16:49

I'm beginning to think you are a committee member of BRONZ... 'motorcyclist's shit doesn't stink. Fucking cage driving sheeple are the problem and need educating.'

Pathetic. I never even hinted that bikers are always misunderstood little angels who can do no wrong. Nor did I suggest a program of education.
Let's face it, most bikers also drive cars...but most car drivers do not ride bikes. So they can never understand that some manouevres on bikes are not dangerous (like lane splitting, overtaking on a short straight, deliberately moving from one side of the lane to the other, riding onehanded or waving at an oncoming biker, flicking a brake light when being tailgated...that sort of thing).
If there is a way to adequately demonstrate to cagers that we are not all idiots and that what we do is not all dangerous, then by all means let us know.

MSTRS

22nd March 2009, 16:54

Mom

22nd March 2009, 16:58

While we are on the generalising thing...has anyone noticed that the vehicles that cross the centre line in corners are always SUVs? Or Subarus? The people that drive those must be complete idiots. Dangerous potential killers, they are. Should be banned, the lot of them.

All subaru drivers are dickhead wankers :yes: Racing around, overtaking in dumb places, you know one nearly ran me off the road a while ago, overtaking me just because I was not going as fast as he thought I should. Very nearly killed me he did!

MSTRS

22nd March 2009, 17:12

All subaru drivers are dickhead wankers :yes: Racing around, overtaking in dumb places, you know one nearly ran me off the road a while ago, overtaking me just because I was not going as fast as he thought I should. Very nearly killed me he did!

Yea. Pricks. The only education they'd understand would be a bullet. Worse than those dickhead motorcyclist types. At least with them they usually only kill themselves. But those fucking Subaru-types, with their bullbars and loud exhausts and rollcages and crumple-zones and airbags and stuff...thinking they are invincible and can do what they like...scaring poor innocent road users...I think I'll write a Letter to the Editor. That'll learn 'em.

Beemer

22nd March 2009, 17:18

All subaru drivers are dickhead wankers :yes: Racing around, overtaking in dumb places, you know one nearly ran me off the road a while ago, overtaking me just because I was not going as fast as he thought I should. Very nearly killed me he did!

Sorry, but generalisations like that aren't helpful! I know many people who drive Subarus (former NZ rally champion Joe McAndrew certainly wasn't a dickhead wanker when he won the championship three times in one) and I wouldn't put any of them in this category. This is as silly as saying all Honda riders are gay (another oft-repeated comment on KB) or all BMW riders are arrogant.

I did notice one person mentioned farm bike accidents - yes, there are plenty, but I'm pretty sure they are not included in the accident statistics unless they occur on the road - and many are quad bike accidents that occur on farms. Most farm bikes are not registered for use on the road as they are only ever ridden on the farm or a short distance down the road between paddocks, etc.

Pete, looks like you're copping a bit of flack here - but those of us who know you know what you're really like and don't think it's warranted.

And it would be good to know the distances travelled by those dying in accidents. If it's people who ride 50kms or less a month, then it is a bit worrying, but if it's people who are putting in big mileage then it could be a concern. Also, how long have those people been riding and how much experience do they have? Craig did not appear to fall into the category of born again biker, and nor did the guy Jury who was killed last year. Or those three guys who hit spilled oil (I think) and one died. Yes, some accidents will be caused by speed and inexperience, but I bet more car accidents are caused by those two factors.

AD345

22nd March 2009, 17:25

Sorry, but generalisations like that aren't helpful! I know many people who drive Subarus (former NZ rally champion Joe McAndrew certainly wasn't a dickhead wanker when he won the championship three times in one) and I wouldn't put any of them in this category. This is as silly as saying all Honda riders are gay (another oft-repeated comment on KB) or all BMW riders are arrogant.

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Whups

Looks like you done fell into the sar-chasm

WilDun

22nd March 2009, 17:28

some manouevres on bikes are not dangerous (like lane splitting, overtaking on a short straight, deliberately moving from one side of the lane to the other, riding onehanded or waving at an oncoming biker, flicking a brake light when being tailgated...that sort of thing).

Those things to me (from the point of view of a car driver) are ok. - except the first one, lane splitting, - that is a highly dangerous practice(having done it many times myself).

There are a few lunatic car drivers who, if they saw you coming would be prepared to take you out by suddenly moving over just as you tried to accelerate past them (happened to me once, - didn't come off but it would have been curtains if I had).

Also, people in cars don't always see you coming and by only moving across in their lane sometimes could cause a nasty spill! - the law would be on their side too and rightly so!

MSTRS

22nd March 2009, 17:35

Sorry, but generalisations like that aren't helpful! ....Yes, some accidents will be caused by speed and inexperience, but I bet more car accidents are caused by those two factors.

Shhh, we're taking the piss

Thing about dickhead behaviour in cars that results in a crash, by comparison to same behaviour on a bike, seldom ends in death for the occupant/s of the car. But shit like crossing the centre line is not healthy for anyone, especially bikers. But still they do it...bikers included.

Mom

22nd March 2009, 17:38

Those things to me (from the point of view of a car driver) are ok. - except the first one, lane splitting, - that is a highly dangerous practice(having done it many times myself).

There are a few lunatic car drivers who, if they saw you coming would be prepared to take you out by suddenly moving over just as you tried to accelerate past them (happened to me once, - didn't come off but it would have been curtains if I had).

Also, people in cars don't always see you coming and by only moving across in their lane sometimes could cause a nasty spill! - the law would be on their side too and rightly so!

Horses for courses mate. There is nothing dangerous about lane splitting at all. It needs to be done quietly and inoffensively. Some lane splitters are more "experienced" in the skill and do travel in some opinions far too fast between cars.

Me, I just ride my ride. There is no way in hell I could ever contribute to the perceived image of bad arse biker, unless people are scared of 5' nothing females on cute blue bikes pootling along with a wave and a grin, but hey!

I am one of dipshits pack of BIKERS so I must be a causative factor afterall.

Interesting yesterday, we were stopped and there was this little girl who kept pointing to Maha's bike saying something like mobai mobai. Her Mom brought her over for a closer look. Bikes are cool, and they are fun. That little girls family did not judge us, like most dont I am picking.

MSTRS

22nd March 2009, 17:42

WilDun...lane splitting is not illegal nor need it be dangerous. It is a grey area (even now) but done considerately, within the lane and to the right of the vehicle, with a small speed differential...where's the problem? I'll tell you...it lies with the dumb cager who is not paying attention (familiar?) or who arrogantly decides that if he can't move then neither should you.
Education could work here, and I don't mean the broken wing mirror sort either.

WilDun

22nd March 2009, 18:47

WilDun...lane splitting is not illegal nor need it be dangerous.

No, you're right, it need not be, but whether that is true or not, it sometimes is dangerous and it's not at the motorcyclist's discretion, because he has no idea if there is a lunatic at the wheel of the car being passed.
Same as the car driver who gets startled at being overtaken on his left side by a lunatic biker charging past,( regardless of which lane he is in!)

I think we basically agree though that "commonsense" is the most important thing here, - question is - who has commonsense and who hasn't?

WilDun

22nd March 2009, 18:53

Guess what I'm saying is that we've got to trust the car driver, and that's a hard thing for a biker to do!

McJim

22nd March 2009, 18:59

Yea. Pricks. The only education they'd understand would be a bullet. Worse than those dickhead motorcyclist types. At least with them they usually only kill themselves. But those fucking Subaru-types, with their bullbars and loud exhausts and rollcages and crumple-zones and airbags and stuff...thinking they are invincible and can do what they like...scaring poor innocent road users...I think I'll write a Letter to the Editor. That'll learn 'em.

Ya bassa - my missus drives a Subaru.....:angry:

Naki Rat

22nd March 2009, 19:01

Actually, I came in from the south and left by the north, and it was just as bad on both. And the road into Whanga...goddamn that was 'interesting'...
And my comment about milk tankers is sound...there would be far more of those 'runs' on the roads around you than there would be logging runs elsewhere. Once or twice a day to/from every* dairy farm, 365 days a year.

* barring of course the dried-off industry suppliers in the winter months. But there are still the town supply runs

No argument on the prevalence of milk tankers. That's why we have more than our fair share of sealed back country roads. Once a day per farm is the max though.

Not much in the way of dairying toward Whanga though - that's our playground :drool:

Boob Johnson

22nd March 2009, 20:53

Don't be fooled. Lots of fuckwits ride bikes.
Don't be too hard on Katman :whistle:

10bikekid

23rd March 2009, 06:17

What? - are you an ostrich by any chance?

Which part of 'one biker dying every 5 days this year' did not concern you?

Ignoring the 'how' of their deaths (rider or third pary) thats some serious shit.
Statistics are funny things when not compared equally as Cars fatalities are about 7 every 5 days would like to see proper stats that give proper comparisons as others have stated before

Good point.Too true.
( comment in regards Busa verses Harley previosly made )
Hibusa,s are actually slower in top gear at normal speads than most Harleys in fact an XT660 was the only bike slower in a top gear pass at near legal speeds Than the Mighty Busa in a Mag test I recently read and there 0- 100k times arnt that Good either and the 300+ top speed is probably not to be mentioned in this safety thread either, Sell the Busa Get a Harley :Pokey:

So when they see a group of harley riders coming at them while overtaking on double yellows through a motorway tunnel... or they read in Monday's paper that half the road fatalities over the weekend were motorcyclists who fell off the roads all by themselves...

...you want car drivers to think it's ok and normal?

Well i suppose that's one way to overcome the problem of a bad public image! :beer:
Actually more like 1/7th of the fatalities, just that we notice Bike acciddents more as Bikers , Show us some Real comparable stats someone please

Ps,Thought for discussion, Riding with your light on full in the daylight exept when following your bike mates, Your not going to blind anyone and it beat not being seen as dipped light dont show up well in Bright sun Light and Id rather annoy a few car drivers than be unseen:cool:

Kflasher

23rd March 2009, 06:50

Close up video:

http://tvnz.co.nz/close-up/middle-aged-motorcyclists-dying-roads-2573176/video

WilDun

23rd March 2009, 07:31

To change the subject for a minute, - How long does the edit thing last on this forum? - I (think) that I have noticed one or two posts having had subtle changes, ie. after someone has responded to them! - that's low!!

dipshit

23rd March 2009, 08:40

MSTRS

23rd March 2009, 09:11

What i think the close up programme was trying to say...

...More people are getting bikes lately... so there are more on the road and subsequently more motorcycle road deaths. Even for this experienced rider whose friends and family thought was a good rider - things can go tragically wrong. That's the nature of the beast. An increasing amount of motorcycles on the roads, largely in part from born again bikers is going mean increasing fatalities.

Almost. But I reckon how it came across was that there are more 'old' people on bikes due to the BABs, who are buying Harleys that they can't ride. The subtle message was that Harleys kill 'old' people. Especially when coupled with a rider who isn't good enough. All true enough, but no way near all of the truth.

Katman

23rd March 2009, 09:21

dipshit

23rd March 2009, 09:30

I'm wondering what amount of educating of car drivers would have altered the bike versus bike double fatality near Mangakino a couple of months ago, or the bike versus bikes accident at Akaroa a couple of weeks prior to that

Or the Harley that rear ended a Triumph (or was it the other way around???) that had stopped to give way at a one-way bridge after the March Hare rally the other weekend.

Horse

23rd March 2009, 09:45

Here is the secret... Do not sign the release until they have showed you the finished (edited) version that they intend to broadcast.

Nobody interviewed for TV News in NZ signs a release form.

Pixie

23rd March 2009, 09:46

I deride your truth-handling abilities, you non-truth handler you.

Bart: We want the truth!
Sideshow Bob: You want the truth? You can't handle the truth. No truth-handler, you. Bah! I deride your truth-handling abilities.

MSTRS

23rd March 2009, 09:49

No sympathy for dickhead riders who off themselves. No, my sympathies lie with the innocent party.
Ignorance of consequences and dickhead behaviour exists in/on all forms of vehicle. Not denying that at all.
The difference is that the dickhead in car who hits a bike, or puts him/herself in the path of a bike, walks away. The rider doesn't. And usually the rider was doing no wrong.

dipshit

23rd March 2009, 09:53

I am one of dipshits pack of BIKERS so I must be a causative factor afterall.

Not at all. I think female riders make much better road riders because they don't seem to get caught up in egotistical showing off dick measuring bullshit like male riders do.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1990995&postcount=117

And it's always good to see some of the hottest sports bikes at rallies like R1's and MV F4's being owned by woman. I reckon they will just get on with riding their own ride and enjoying their nice bikes for themselves rather than trying to prove anything to everyone.

Pixie

23rd March 2009, 09:59

Worst of it is the reporter has no control over editing

Is it any suprise?

There was one on recently who didn't know what a malady was.

I'm suprised they can remember to take the next breath

Swoop

23rd March 2009, 11:06

Nobody interviewed for TV News in NZ signs a release form.
It must be only TV3 then.
I had to sign one a couple of years ago.

Horse

23rd March 2009, 11:10

It must be only TV3 then.
I had to sign one a couple of years ago.

For News? Or some other programme?

Swoop

23rd March 2009, 11:27

For News? Or some other programme?
An "other" programme. Close Up should fall under that category with pre-recorded segments that are broadcast after editing.

Horse

23rd March 2009, 11:46

An "other" programme. Close Up should fall under that category with pre-recorded segments that are broadcast after editing.

All news is "pre-recorded segments broadcast after editing", just with the occasional live thrown in to give it (fake) immediacy. Close Up and Campbell Live are run out of their respective News operations, and operate accordingly. So no releases are used.

Other current affairs shows and programmes are typically run from separate production units or external production companies, so they may use release forms. But News doesn't.

MarkH

23rd March 2009, 15:17

Taking the thread back to the "educating fucking car drivers" statement, I'm wondering what amount of educating of car drivers would have altered the bike versus bike double fatality near Mangakino a couple of months ago, or the bike versus bike accident at Akaroa a couple of weeks prior to that, or for that matter, any one of the motorcycle fatalities that have occurred through no fault of a car driver.

Clearly educating car drivers would be of a huge benefit, since 50% of motorcycle accidents are caused by car drivers. Many of those don't kill the rider, which is worse for ACC because an injured rider costs them more than a dead one.

Clearly educating motorcycle riders would be of huge benefit, since 50% of motorcycle accidents are caused by the rider.

How much education you can provide and how much good it does is what it really comes down to, but if all motorists were better educated and skilled then many accidents could be avoided.

BigG

23rd March 2009, 15:36

Only reason oldies die on their bikes is cos of heart attacks or other senior things, to much adrenalin rush when they go over 100 not used to it with the modern bikes dont have to twust the throttle much to be doing over a 100 klicks ( I'm talking mph ):laugh::laugh::laugh:

Katman

23rd March 2009, 16:21

since 50% of motorcycle accidents are caused by car drivers.

I'll see your 50 and raise you 25.

http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/NewPDFs/Motorcycle-Crash-Factsheet.pdf

75% of fatal motorcycle accidents are the primary fault of the motorcyclist.

(Bearing in mind it's the fatal accidents that feature predominantly in the eyes of the general public).

98tls

23rd March 2009, 18:06

:doh:Talk about flogging a dead horse you lot.Why not fuck off for a ride and accept that when your numbers up its up,no amount of tapping a keyboard will change a thing.

MarkH

23rd March 2009, 22:14

I'll see your 50 and raise you 25.

http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/NewPDFs/Motorcycle-Crash-Factsheet.pdf

75% of fatal motorcycle accidents are the primary fault of the motorcyclist.

(Bearing in mind it's the fatal accidents that feature predominantly in the eyes of the general public).

So, I take it from your post you read the part of my post and stopped there? Because it sure as hell seems like it! Maybe instead of repeating myself you could go back and read my entire post, it really wasn't that long.

MSTRS

24th March 2009, 07:46

Those things to me (from the point of view of a car driver) are ok. - except the first one, lane splitting, - that is a highly dangerous practice(having done it many times myself).

Depends how it's done....
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1994508&postcount=1

Big Zappa

24th March 2009, 17:38

WilDun

24th March 2009, 19:56

Depends how it's done....
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1994508&postcount=1

Yes,interesting post and it does seem to be left to the rider's discretion.

When acting sensibly from experience and having the ability to judge the width of the gap and going at a sensible speed I guess it's ok.

However,if you raise the ire of a lunatic car driver (and there are quite a few "irate" car drivers,) especially if they see you making progress when they can't! - that could be a recipe for disaster one day.

By the way, the biker guy I mentioned earlier on the Pakuranga bridge was a complete lunatic pratt and deserves his arse kicked! - not a good advert for bikers,..... and witnessed by probably 200 car drivers on a daily basis!

Maybe we're getting a little off the subject here!

_Shrek_

24th March 2009, 20:24

tribsanor

24th March 2009, 20:58

so you must be a young fart smeller :yawn:
so what kills young fellas on their bikes , to busy lookin at themselves in the mirror or riding with one hand and stroking themselves

MarkH

24th March 2009, 21:28

Clearly educating car drivers would be of a huge benefit, since 50% of motorcycle accidents are caused by car drivers. Many of those don't kill the rider, which is worse for ACC because an injured rider costs them more than a dead one.

Clearly educating motorcycle riders would be of huge benefit, since 50% of motorcycle accidents are caused by the rider.

How much education you can provide and how much good it does is what it really comes down to, but if all motorists were better educated and skilled then many accidents could be avoided.

Who the fuck is Troll and why is he giving me red rep for this post?