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Quasievil

23rd March 2009, 13:53

vifferman

23rd March 2009, 14:02

No, they all say that. It's the standard answer teenaged (and older) male children give their parents. He may have posted it in the hedge on the way home from school (or he will if you confront him about it...)

howdamnhard

23rd March 2009, 14:06

Do'nt bother asking him , ask his teacher.

Slyer

23rd March 2009, 14:07

They all get maths etc books to take home, if he reckons he has none to do just make him work out of one of those. Tell him it's mandatory that he does some homework no matter what it is.

If he did, perchance, happen to have homework he might lighten to the idea of hitting two birds with one stone.

jaymzw

23rd March 2009, 14:10

Hi Yall parents out there

Hey Im keen to know if any of your kids are getting homework, reason is one of our 14 years old son's in form 4 (fuck knows what it is in year) simply does not get homework, he always says no when I ask him if there is any, and I appaulled that in the 4th form there is no study practices being put in place via way of set homework every night.

So please are we the only ones or what is your situation ??

Cheers

Nah no-one gets homework anymore,

Im 6th form!

I dont get homework.

And homework i do get i just do in class after my other work!

Ask yourself, does he pass? If yes RELAX! If no? Get him a tutor or ask for extra work from his teacher! I do that for Maths and it makes my crazy maths teacher so happy! I still dont understand it though :blink:

Slyer

23rd March 2009, 14:12

Nah no-one gets homework anymore,

Im 6th form!

I dont get homework.

And homework i do get i just do in class after my other work!

Ask yourself, does he pass? If yes RELAX! If no? Get him a tutor or ask for extra work from his teacher! I do that for Maths and it makes my crazy maths teacher so happy! I still dont understand it though :blink:
Bollocks. :bleh:
You get assignments all through highschool that you cannot complete during school hours, you need to do them at home.

FJRider

23rd March 2009, 14:15

You dont get homework if you dont go to school... :lol:

driftn

23rd March 2009, 14:16

That old chest nut. I never got home work right through high school.
I turned out alright from it.
I think.

driftn

23rd March 2009, 14:17

Oh in case you couldn't work out. YEShome work is being given out.

wickle

23rd March 2009, 14:19

MY boys school says " all students should be doing half hour to hour each nite of either homework or revision"

Colapop

23rd March 2009, 14:19

My daughter is in the same year. She gets "a little bit" from each teacher = "Shit loads" (her words) check with his teachers - usually you can send them an email. Ask what assignments they have and what the deadlines are. If he really doesn't have any then set him some - reading, or some other shit that he's having trouble with. Teachers have that info too!

jaymzw

23rd March 2009, 14:20

Bollocks. :bleh:
You get assignments all through highschool that you cannot complete during school hours, you need to do them at home.

Currently i get a page of Maths from a homework book each day, but 90% of the time that's done in the same period as it is issued.
Economics is the same as maths's
I've got a History assignment which revolves around studying someone who died in WW1. Finding their regiment and where they died, how etc. That is all done in class, using computers and we get a field trip to auckland museum. Thats half my years work :cool:
Geography is similar to history,
I dont get homework for english
And i do P.E as my other subject.

Remember I do NCEA, it is a piece of piss.
School C was a million times harder because you had to try.

4th forms all about rugby and girls....

jaymzw

23rd March 2009, 14:25

Bollocks. :bleh:
You get assignments all through highschool that you cannot complete during school hours, you need to do them at home.

As proof,

Why do you think im on KB at 3.30 :nono:

Matt Bleck

23rd March 2009, 14:26

It's my eldest's first year at high school and she gets homework most nights

Slyer

23rd March 2009, 14:28

I did NCEA as well, and I must admit I did next to 0 homework for all the years at highschool.
Though I was meant to...

paturoa

23rd March 2009, 14:45

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

yungatart

23rd March 2009, 14:46

Get in touch with his Dean or form techer. It is their job to check it out for you and certainly easier than checking with each individual teacher.
Does he have a homework diary? At our school, all students are issued with one, homework goes in to it and parents and form teachers sign it to say thayt have sighted it.
I suspect he is getting some homework though...and just can't be bothered....

Maha

23rd March 2009, 14:51

I suspect he is getting some homework though...and just can't be bothered....

That sounds just like me from school days.....
In a class of my own I was.....:bleh:

Duke girl

23rd March 2009, 14:55

You would think that if he was given homework and not doing it that the school would be in contact with you wanting to know the reason why your son hasn't been handing it in.
My daughter has just started college and I ask her everyday after school when she walks thru the door if she has homework and 90% of the time she has.
If he thinks that not doing his homework is going to give him good marks towards each subject he is doing then he is wrong. Ask him to show you his books and have a look for yourself then you wioll surely know whether he has been getting homework or attending school for that matter.

CookMySock

23rd March 2009, 14:58

My daughter always has homework and sits up to all hours working on it.

My son has homework, but he likes his evenings to himself, so he stays in at lunchtimes and after class and does his homework. The result - no homework!

Our kids are getting excellence in everything, so we let them do as they choose. It would be a different story if things were falling over left-right-and-center, but everything is going great. Spectacularly, actually.

/me pinches self!

Steve

MsKABC

23rd March 2009, 15:02

Bollocks. :bleh:
You get assignments all through highschool that you cannot complete during school hours, you need to do them at home.

And even if you don't, students should still be developing good work/study habits by doing some revision etc at home. This will stand them in good stead later if they go on to tertiary education, as extra work outside class is ALWAYS required then! Doesn't matter if they're passing or not.

Quasi, I'd suggest your son is telling you wee cuffers!

Finn

23rd March 2009, 15:15

NCEA is not about learning, it's about passing so there's no need for things like homework.

Once National turn their focus on education, those little shits will have plenty to do.

MsKABC

23rd March 2009, 15:17

NCEA is not about learning, it's about passing so there's no need for things like homework.

Once National turn their focus on education, those little shits will have plenty to do.

Uhuh, the people who gave us bulk funding will do wonders for our education system....NOT!

mynameis

23rd March 2009, 16:18

Welcome to 2009 homework days are gone :lol:

mattyt

23rd March 2009, 16:24

Of course hes getting homework I used the same old line myself for years and made my parents believe it. Lock in a room with his school bag and no electrical devices for half an hour to and hour each day and he'll get it done... After a while he'll just accept that thats what he does for that time period of the day. Make sure you "help" him get his priorities right early in life - because trying to change them once hes got on abit in life will be much harder...

fizbin

23rd March 2009, 16:25

My son who is year...???? fuck knows what year he is at but he is nearly 8 get a monster amount of home work! Reading every night, spelling, maths, and he has to come up with something to talk about in front of his class every week! i think the write is starting shortly to!
Not like when i was at school. Mind you help that he is smart unlike his daddy!

cowpoos

23rd March 2009, 16:53

Quasievil

23rd March 2009, 17:40

is it J or A ????

its Alex bro, no maths once ever this whole freckin term

rainman

23rd March 2009, 18:11

NCEA is not about learning, it's about passing so there's no need for things like homework.

Once National turn their focus on education, those little shits will have plenty to do.

Bollocks on both counts. My son's doing some NCEA credits and there is plenty of homework and frequent assessment that builds planning and self-responsibility skills, very much in the style of a tertiary work programme.

And, as to your second point, Tolley's the minister - so pfffft. She's a ferking lightweight. I heard her talking on Radio NZ Checkpoint this evening and she's an utter embarrassment.

Quasievil

23rd March 2009, 18:45

And, as to your second point, Tolley's the minister - so pfffft. She's a ferking lightweight. I heard her talking on Radio NZ Checkpoint this evening and she's an utter embarrassment.

The only thing thats embarrasing from a political point of view is the way in 9 short years that labour has fucked up the education system to the point of ruin !!

Not to mention every single other aspect of the tax payers requirements.

rainman

23rd March 2009, 19:13

The only thing thats embarrasing from a political point of view is the way in 9 short years that labour has fucked up the education system to the point of ruin !!

Not to mention every single other aspect of the tax payers requirements.

I dunno. Seriously, petty partisan politics aside, the education system is pretty damn good compared to what I got. Both my sons get education tailored to their needs, get plenty of homework and extension, and get to learn some pretty advanced stuff earlier than I ever did. No way is it at the "point of ruin". What specific problems are you having?

And my requirements as a taxpayer are generally met fairly well - there are some things I'd prefer not to waste money on, but by and large, things are not too bad. There are some incompetent departments, and some good departments, but that doesn't seem to change whoever is in government.

Kemet

23rd March 2009, 21:11

In part, though the education system is what you make - and take? - from it.

I've heard, in the past, people complain about Asians 'taking over everything' (??). You know why??

Look how hard they've worked at school to get there. Although this opinion is only coming from personal experience.

One of the things I always remember about high school is that there were a small few of the asian students slacking off and being just as lazy as the the small few of the local kids, but of all the "over-achievers" at school, a majority of those were asian kids.

I also think NCEA is a "little" namby-pamby....

Hell A LOT namby-pamby.

It's teaching the gifted kids that there efforts aren't worth the paper their "achieved with excellence" is written on.

The middle of the road kids only have to do enough work to pass now and they'll still get "achieved" with that minimum effort.

And it's now easier for some of the lower achievers to get that passing grade (so that no kid gets left behind?? or something), when really they are not getting ahead at all and are just being set up for a huge disappointment in the real world when they find out it wasn't really good enough after all.

In the end for me all my slacking off in 7th form go me were Ds. However, because I wanted to get into T-Col (at the time) I needed pass grades. That meant repeating 7th form so I could get those grades up.

A year is a bloody long time to waste when you've got some place else you should be!!!

MY POINT......

To anyone!! Your kids may resent you at the time but don't be afraid to push them. Don't go flying off the wall or anything but DO talk to their teachers about what is going on in their classes.

If you are clever enough, DO talk to your kids if they are slacking off and find out why. It can be as simple as being bored - or that they truly are stuggling with with some aspect of their work and need help but are too ashamed to ask for help. Don't forget peer-pressure. We had it at school and with the way social dynamics have changed since any one of us finished school, chances are that peer-pressure is a hell of alot worse for them than it was for us. If they can't talk to you find someone who they can talk to. Even if you never know exactly what is going on at least they can be talking to someone you trust and who can advise your kids what is in their best interests.

phew:blink:

enough from me.

KiwiKat

23rd March 2009, 21:29

If your child has always been a high achiever they will generally be able to cruise through high school and get most homework and assignments done during class time. If he is highly sociable and not a high achiever he probably is slacking and hanging out with his mates when he should be doing revision etc.

3rd form and term 1 4th form maths is pretty easy (often boring with no challenge) being an extension of Intermediate level maths until about mid year when the tricky stuff hits home. If he is serious about achieving then he should be starting to focus and swot during the middle of this year. The reality is most boys will avoid study and homework unless pressured (private schools work). Don't panic yet. Remember the child often reflects the parent. (chip off the old block)

ajturbo

23rd March 2009, 21:31

i asked luke that every friggin night last year... same answer.... "No, i've done it at school..."

well the little shit was lying... i asked the teacher at a meeting, found out the little shit had not done any home work...... that was just before we went over seas!!!

what i wanted to know was.... what was the teacher doing about him not doing his home work..... answer... NOTHING.
so why the frig complain to ME after 6 months of luke not doing it... to say that he wasn't doing anything about it... lazy frigin teacher... dam i wish i was a teacher of that level...!!

they would iether do as i TOLD them or they would be out of my class, sitting on the grass... they would obviously not want to be in that class, so why have them there!!!
just hope it would be raining....
friggin soft cock teachers..

when i was teaching at the poly, if the students were late for class.. the door was locked!!! ( untill i got it was a fire risk...wooops)

GurlRacer

23rd March 2009, 21:35

I did TONS of homework up until I went to Norway to which I did nothing (even when I returned to NZ)

I had homework from at least every subject... and I was chef in training too!! Got to the point where the 'rents contacted the school and to cut it out.. they saw how much work I was doing. But then I became a lazy assed little shit :lol:

KiwiKat

23rd March 2009, 21:39

Quasievil

24th March 2009, 06:44

Wrong - Great parenting attitude - blame the teacher - Your child is probably one of 150 that the teacher sees in a week. If they don't do the work they lose - simple. They probably blame the teacher too. Time is better spent on kids that want to learn and that have positive parent support.

Yeah I blame the teacher to, how hard is it for a teacher to check to see if the kid has done the homework that THEY put in place, and if they didnt *punish them accordingly and take a note for the report that goes to the parent.
Becuase the Teachers arent checking THATS the loophole for the kids to get out of the homework, meantime parents dont know whats going on.

*Told that they need to try harder, asked if there are problems at home whilst the fingers are ready to dial sips

Blossom

24th March 2009, 06:53

Havn't read the last couple of pages so not sure whats the norm...but with our four it varies.
form 3 girl (year 9) rarely gets homework and generally only from her science teacher (just got her report she is doing very well)
Form 1 boy (year 7) gets homework most nights
Standard 3 girl (year 5) randomly sometimes gets homework
New entrant girl gets 20mins of reading and revision every single night incl weekends.
Go figure. They go to 3 different schools too so I guess its a national issue. Our primary pta and board are meeting to 'discuss' the homework issue and whether or not they should consider culling it. (the homework not the pta)

James Deuce

24th March 2009, 07:02

My Year 4 chap gets 30 minutes a night. He's one of a small group in his class that completes it regularly. It's really easy to play the blame game, but I really feel for the parents (or solo parent) who both work to simply stay where they are and have no time or energy left ensure that homework is sorted.

Having said that there are parents in Year 4 chap's class who simply refuse to enforce the homework because it's "too hard". You can turn it into a positive thing, and we've stuck with it because this is an opportunity to develop good study habits that can make life a lot easier later on.

Pat yourself on the back for giving a crap Quasi.

MsKABC

24th March 2009, 07:59

The only thing thats embarrasing from a political point of view is the way in 9 short years that labour has fucked up the education system to the point of ruin !!

Sorry Quasi, but I'm going to have to disagree with you there. As a teacher of 5 years experience, it is my belief that the reason many kids don't get a decent education these days is that schools (more specifically teachers) are not supported. Not supported by the government (funding & legislation), by parents (poor role modelling, ignorance, don't give a crap, poor discipline etc) and not supported by society as a whole. Do you know how hard it is to actually discipline a child in school these days? When I was teaching, I could give out a detention for uniform infractions, chewing gum, inappropriate behaviour in the playground, and that was about it. Anything more serious and I either had to run my own detention during lunchtime (who the hell wants to do that when you get precious little time to do stuff or relax and eat your lunch as it is?) or send the issue to the dean. The deans were generally all as weak as piss and would give them a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket! As a teacher, I've been sworn at and sexually harrassed, and the worst thing that ever happened to them was they had to pick up rubbish, FFS! Schools have their hands tied too tightly behind their backs when it comes to suspensions and expulsions these days that kids in state schools get away with murder (and I mean that almost literally!) So we have these awful disruptive kids in schools that poor teachers have to expend almost all their energy on, leaving no time for the actual job of teaching! This is the only reason I left teaching.

I also think NCEA is a "little" namby-pamby....

Hell A LOT namby-pamby.

It's teaching the gifted kids that there efforts aren't worth the paper their "achieved with excellence" is written on.

I actually found that it was quite difficult for kids to get 'achieved', and even more so 'merit' or 'excellence'. An average kid might get say 10 A, 2 M & 1 E marks, so whilst they got 13 marks overall, if they needed 11 A marks to get achieved, they didn't get it. Above average kids might get 16 A, 3 M and 2 E, so whilst they got 21 marks overall, they might need 13 A, 4 M and 2 E to get excellence, they only get an 'achieved' grade.

what i wanted to know was.... what was the teacher doing about him not doing his home work..... answer... NOTHING.
so why the frig complain to ME after 6 months of luke not doing it... to say that he wasn't doing anything about it... lazy frigin teacher... dam i wish i was a teacher of that level...!!

Your perspective is completely unrealistic, sorry. You have 30 kids pour into your classroom, it takes at least 5 minutes to get them all there and seated and settled down, you've got 55 minutes total to get your lesson done, and you are supposed to go round the room and check each student's homework, taking 5-10 minutes, meanwhile the rest of the room is erupting? It's not as easy as you might think.

they would iether do as i TOLD them or they would be out of my class, sitting on the grass... they would obviously not want to be in that class, so why have them there!!!
just hope it would be raining....
friggin soft cock teachers..

when i was teaching at the poly, if the students were late for class.. the door was locked!!! ( untill i got it was a fire risk...wooops)

Again, a completely unrealistic attitude. You taught at polytech, where students actually paid to be there, and generally cared whether they passed or failed. If you send a kid out of class in high school, the result is them wandering off around the school causing mayhem, or staying outside and doing their damndest to disrupt your class. I know, I've tried it - doesn't work.

Wrong - Great parenting attitude - blame the teacher - Your child is probably one of 150 that the teacher sees in a week. If they don't do the work they lose - simple. They probably blame the teacher too. Time is better spent on kids that want to learn and that have positive parent support.

:yes: Absolutely spot on.

Yeah I blame the teacher to, how hard is it for a teacher to check to see if the kid has done the homework that THEY put in place, and if they didnt *punish them accordingly and take a note for the report that goes to the parent.
Becuase the Teachers arent checking THATS the loophole for the kids to get out of the homework, meantime parents dont know whats going on.

As above - it is actually quite hard to enforce h/w requirements, when you're having to deal with all manner of other shit. There is some onus on parents to be in touch with what is happening too, and support the teacher. A teacher might see a student for 3-4 hours a week - a hell of a lot is expected of them for those hours. The best way to make absolutely sure that h/w is being done is to sight your child's h/w diary and sign it off each night, and keep in regular contact with the teachers and/or dean if you suspect something is up. Teachers can't do it on their own :)

Having said that there are parents in Year 4 chap's class who simply refuse to enforce the homework because it's "too hard". You can turn it into a positive thing, and we've stuck with it because this is an opportunity to develop good study habits that can make life a lot easier later on.

Yep - parenting is bloody hard, and all too often parents take the easy way out. Generally this happens long before the kids reach high school and the bad habits are far too ingrained for even a really good teacher to be able to have a positive influence.

Pat yourself on the back for giving a crap Quasi.

Yes - it's more than a lot of parents would do. I almost only ever saw the parents who cared (and therefore whose kids were doing well) at parent-teacher interviews. The parents I really needed to see didn't bother to come.

Finn

24th March 2009, 08:28

Bollocks on both counts. My son's doing some NCEA credits and there is plenty of homework and frequent assessment that builds planning and self-responsibility skills, very much in the style of a tertiary work programme.

And, as to your second point, Tolley's the minister - so pfffft. She's a ferking lightweight. I heard her talking on Radio NZ Checkpoint this evening and she's an utter embarrassment.

You're a pinko so your post is void of any logic, reason or fact.

PrincessBandit

24th March 2009, 08:42

My son (year 13 - that's 7th form for us oldies) often says he has none, but they do get study time during the day in which they can complete work.

Most students find, if they've "coasted" through junior years (9 and 10) and even year 11 (5th form) that year 12 is a huge jump up and a rude shock. How to deal with the recidivist "I don't have any"/"I've already done it all" eluded me all through both my kids high school years. Nagging does NOT help and in the end I had to accept that the only way they'd buck their ideas up was to start failing. The problem is that everything they do at school these days is designed to give them as many "goes" as needed in order to finally achieve or pass that many have a complete lack of incentive to do any extra study or work.

Quasievil

24th March 2009, 09:04

Nagging does NOT help and in the end I had to accept that the only way they'd buck their ideas up was to start failing. The problem is that everything they do at school these days is designed to give them as many "goes" as needed in order to finally achieve or pass that many have a complete lack of incentive to do any extra study or work.

Im to old school, its simple if he doesnt pick up his ideas do some homework and study and better his grades he aint playing rugby this year, end of story

bull

24th March 2009, 09:28

My 3 boys, 12yr old at intermediate gets double sided A4 sheet for a fortnights homework, my two younger boys 8 and 7 get single A4 sheet each week. The two younger boys are also advised to do some reading each night.

Just recently had parent teacher interviews with the 12yr olds teach and i told him im concerned at the lack of homework. He said to me that they give that amount because it means everyone can achieve it.

This was not acceptable to me and i told the teacher this - I want my child to be striving to get ahead, not just coasting along at the dumbest childs level. I requested more homework for my son to which he agreed. Two weeks to do a double sided A4 sheet that my son can knock out in an hour on a Monday night - what a crock.

I agree with you too Quasi - my boy let himself and his softball team down twice this past season - hadnt done his homework so couldnt train and play that week. And the coach had the cheek to say to my son that i was being a bit harsh.

My boys all know that the sports they play are purely for fitness and fun, education is number 1 priority to me and it always will be you dont do the school stuff you miss the fitness and fun stuff.

rainman

24th March 2009, 20:29

You're a pinko so your post is void of any logic, reason or fact.

You're off your game. Not feeling well?

Winston001

24th March 2009, 20:36

Ask the teachers. My daughters teacher (a mate of mine) doesn't set homework, but all the other teachers do.

Blackshear

24th March 2009, 22:11

I never did homework... Ever.
Flew through Primary. Top classes and all. Top classes in Intermediate, except half of the last year. I told the teacher I wasn't gonna do any, so he kicked me into a different class.
College, top class 1st year... Then 3rd... Then halfway gave up on life.
Didn't go to any Exams, except maths. Dropped out at 16.

No NCEA 1 for Chris...
I passed Maths though, 18 of my 31 credits came from maths :crazy:

DO YOUR HOMEWORK, A HYPOCRITE TOLD YOU SO!

portokiwi

25th March 2009, 06:23

my son is year 10, 4th form for us old folks,
He gets home work about every two days. lots of home work lol.
My kids in CHCh get home work nealy every day.
the oldest one is 5th form,

Finn

25th March 2009, 08:15

You're off your game. Not feeling well?

Feeling fine actually. Good in fact. I'm just really enjoying watching our new Government dredge up all the disgusting filth left behind by your glorious leader.

Found a job yet?

rainman

25th March 2009, 09:06

Feeling fine actually. Good in fact. I'm just really enjoying watching our new Government dredge up all the disgusting filth left behind by your glorious leader.

Found a job yet?

Funny man. :laugh:

And she's not my glorious leader. But then you knew that.

BarBender

25th March 2009, 10:07

Hi Yall parents out there
Hey Im keen to know if any of your kids are getting homework, reason is one of our 14 years old son's in form 4 (fuck knows what it is in year) simply does not get homework, he always says no when I ask him if there is any, and I appaulled that in the 4th form there is no study practices being put in place via way of set homework every night.
So please are we the only ones or what is your situation ??
Cheers

Hey B - My boy is year 9 also.
My own experience was that homework was just one piece of the jigsaw. Read this a couple of years ago and it made a difference.
http://www.kiwifamilies.co.nz/Topics/Parenting/Parenting-Book-Reviews/Celia-Lashlie-He-Will-Be-OK.html
I still refer to it on a regular basis cos each year brings a new challenge...(for me mainly)

Quasievil

25th March 2009, 10:21

Hey B - My boy is year 9 also.
My own experience was that homework was just one piece of the jigsaw. Read this a couple of years ago and it made a difference.
http://www.kiwifamilies.co.nz/Topics/Parenting/Parenting-Book-Reviews/Celia-Lashlie-He-Will-Be-OK.html
I still refer to it on a regular basis cos each year brings a new challenge...(for me mainly)

LOL mate that book is right beside my bed.
Its a goody aint it:msn-wink:

BarBender

25th March 2009, 10:23

LOL mate that book is right beside my bed.
Its a goody aint it:msn-wink:

It is! So is P staying on her side of the bridge?

jetboy

25th March 2009, 10:55

Hi Yall parents out there

Hey Im keen to know if any of your kids are getting homework, reason is one of our 14 years old son's in form 4 (fuck knows what it is in year) simply does not get homework, he always says no when I ask him if there is any, and I appaulled that in the 4th form there is no study practices being put in place via way of set homework every night.

So please are we the only ones or what is your situation ??

Cheers
Haha I always had homework but never told my parents...I mean what was I supposed to do? Sit home and study while all my mates went out and had fun - no way!

I did school cert and have no idea what all this NCEA stuff is about, but homework only boosted what I had learned that day (and if the school is like the one I went to, chances are not much).

NighthawkNZ

25th March 2009, 11:06

Hi Yall parents out there

Hey Im keen to know if any of your kids are getting homework, reason is one of our 14 years old son's in form 4 (fuck knows what it is in year) simply does not get homework, he always says no when I ask him if there is any, and I appaulled that in the 4th form there is no study practices being put in place via way of set homework every night.

So please are we the only ones or what is your situation ??

I use to get bugger all home work... and th elittle I had was done at lunch time and intervials...

I never believed in home work... if they could teach me all while at school then they were doing something wrong...

Squiggles

25th March 2009, 13:24

When they "do" their homework, alot will just copy the answers out... give him a test paper to see if he can actually do the work, The teacher will usually have a stock pile of these. They love calculators these days, so if he reaches for it with no working he probably doesnt have a clue how the math works.

cowpoos

25th March 2009, 18:19

3rd form and term 1 4th form maths is pretty easy (often boring with no challenge) being an extension of Intermediate level maths until about mid year when the tricky stuff hits home.

Well actually...teachers are paid to aim the level of whats taught to the level that the kids are at...Maths isn't the most interesting subject and probally never will be[with the exception of a few] and its probally one of the hardest to engage children into achieving, If their teacher isn't aiming at their level then they are not doing their job.

cowpoos

25th March 2009, 18:27

Wrong - Great parenting attitude - blame the teacher - Your child is probably one of 150 that the teacher sees in a week. If they don't do the work they lose - simple. They probably blame the teacher too. Time is better spent on kids that want to learn and that have positive parent support.

The Girlfriend seriously agree with you..[teacher,shadow dean]..she says...its so much easier to work with the kids who are interested...and who's parents are interested in their schooling...than the parents that arn't interested and don't respond to phone calls etc....

cowpoos

25th March 2009, 19:02

Sorry Quasi, but I'm going to have to disagree with you there. As a teacher of 5 years experience, it is my belief that the reason many kids don't get a decent education these days is that schools (more specifically teachers) are not supported. Not supported by the government (funding & legislation), by parents (poor role modelling, ignorance, don't give a crap, poor discipline etc) and not supported by society as a whole.

I hope your not teaching still...because frankly..your attitude is fucking shit!!!
other teachers get along fine..so whats your excuse???

Do you know how hard it is to actually discipline a child in school these days? When I was teaching, I could give out a detention for uniform infractions, chewing gum, inappropriate behaviour in the playground, and that was about it. Anything more serious and I either had to run my own detention during lunchtime (who the hell wants to do that when you get precious little time to do stuff or relax and eat your lunch as it is?) or send the issue to the dean. The deans were generally all as weak as piss and would give them a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket! As a teacher, I've been sworn at and sexually harrassed, and the worst thing that ever happened to them was they had to pick up rubbish, FFS! Schools have their hands tied too tightly behind their backs when it comes to suspensions and expulsions these days that kids in state schools get away with murder (and I mean that almost literally!) So we have these awful disruptive kids in schools that poor teachers have to expend almost all their energy on, leaving no time for the actual job of teaching! This is the only reason I left teaching.

Once again...as a teacher you had support networks to use...if something wasn't working you had the option of going to a higher level...you can't blame the government for that..you can't blame lack of funding on that...you may be able to blame senior management on that to be fair and school policies...but if it were an issuse...were they brought up??? and buy you towards the school...and school addessed it in some way?? what happened in that case...because your not wrong about it being hard to disilpine...but its not always impossible!

Your perspective is completely unrealistic, sorry. You have 30 kids pour into your classroom, it takes at least 5 minutes to get them all there and seated and settled down, you've got 55 minutes total to get your lesson done, and you are supposed to go round the room and check each student's homework, taking 5-10 minutes, meanwhile the rest of the room is erupting? It's not as easy as you might think.

Its actually your job?? If you couldn't do it...why didn't you ask other teachers how they managed...because most do.

Yes - it's more than a lot of parents would do. I almost only ever saw the parents who cared (and therefore whose kids were doing well) at parent-teacher interviews. The parents I really needed to see didn't bother to come.
Can't be truer than that!!

MsKABC

25th March 2009, 19:17

I hope your not teaching still...because frankly..your attitude is fucking shit!!!
other teachers get along fine..so whats your excuse???

Actually, they don't - that's why they're leaving the profession in droves.

Once again...as a teacher you had support networks to use...if something wasn't working you had the option of going to a higher level...you can't blame the government for that..you can't blame lack of funding on that...you may be able to blame senior management on that to be fair and school policies...but if it were an issuse...were they brought up??? and buy you towards the school...and school addessed it in some way?? what happened in that case...because your not wrong about it being hard to disilpine...but its not always impossible!

Its actually your job?? If you couldn't do it...why didn't you ask other teachers how they managed...because most do.

What makes you think I didn't? ;)

You seem to know so much about it - how about you become a teacher? :)

Quasievil

25th March 2009, 19:33

You seem to know so much about it - how about you become a teacher? :)

:jerry::jerry:

MsKABC

25th March 2009, 19:37

:jerry::jerry:

That was my standard reply when anyone hassled me about how easy teachers had it, what with all the holidays and everything :rolleyes: The response was always, ALWAYS something along the lines of "Bugger off - not for that money/the way kids behave today etc etc". I just get really pissed off when people get stuck into teachers and yet they're not prepared to put their hand up and do the job themselves. It's a bloody hard job and I take my hat off to anyone who can do it more than a few years. "Walk a mile...", I say. :yes:

BuFfY

25th March 2009, 20:52

That was my standard reply when anyone hassled me about how easy teachers had it, what with all the holidays and everything :rolleyes: The response was always, ALWAYS something along the lines of "Bugger off - not for that money/the way kids behave today etc etc". I just get really pissed off when people get stuck into teachers and yet they're not prepared to put their hand up and do the job themselves. It's a bloody hard job and I take my hat off to anyone who can do it more than a few years. "Walk a mile...", I say. :yes:

We do have it easy! We work 9-3 and get morning tea AND lunch! We have 12 weeks holiday a year with NO work to do! :rolleyes: Oh, and no one ever comes to check that we are doing the right thing!

I teach year 2/3 (6 and 7 year olds) and they get homework. But I still (it is week 8 now) have parents asking me why the kids don't have homework because the kids are telling them that they aren't given any. They hide their reading books and I spend a Friday lunch time following it all up. I only do it because I think it is important for them to be getting into the routine of doing their homework.

If you want your son to be doing some extra work at home, go to the book shop and buy a revision guide. That way you have some form of control over it, and he will probably get more out of it.
High School teachers don't spend as much time with the children as we do in primary, so parent support is just as important with homework as it is when they are the age of my children.

Quasievil

25th March 2009, 21:56

If you want your son to be doing some extra work at home, go to the book shop and buy a revision guide. That way you have some form of control over it, and he will probably get more out of it.

have already, been doing that for the last 5 years but we expected home work as a standard from high school in prep as good study habbits for the challenging years ahead, we where wrong, however things are in hand now thanks to some good friends and teachers.:msn-wink:

Dargor

25th March 2009, 22:29

Well as a young lad compaired to you lot. I'm second year uni.

I hardly evey had homework at heigh school, all the way through, passed fine. But now, it would have been nice to have done more study, so i would be more profecent now.

Virago

25th March 2009, 22:35

James Deuce

25th March 2009, 22:49

Quasievil

25th March 2009, 22:50

2much

27th March 2009, 09:10