Metzeler Sportec M3 review

[discotex]

So I kiwifruit's advice and took myself off to Cycletreads to gets me some M3's before the HRC day on Sunday. 800km later and I thought I'd better share my initial thoughts.

The first thing I noticed was the profile of the M3 is much pointier than the BT-016's I took off. These tyres are more "flickable" than the 016's. I suspect they're probably somewhere inbetween the PP2ct and 016 but I haven't tried the PP2ct's yet.

They're bloody brilliant through tight twisties as the bike responds to inputs on the bars much more rapidly. That's saying something given the '08 600RR is well known for it's agility as it is.

The quick turn effect was a little unnerving at first as I'd end up at the apex of the corner much sooner than I expected until I got used to it and adjusted my riding style accordingly.


Off to the track for the HRC day at Taupo and I set the pressures to 30F/32R cold.

Holy shit these tyres warm up fast. I was taking a 2 full laps on the BT-016's but the M3's are pretty much good to go after the first lap. Nice.

Total grip on the rear is probably a little lower (like 5% or less) than the BT-016 at track pace but I think it's a worthy trade-off for me given I commute in the rain over winter and warm-up is important. The front was rock solid all day.

On the track you do notice that the quicker turn-in sacrifices some of the feeling of stability under braking that the BT-016 has so depending on the rider preference you might love or hate it. I'm sure playing with suspension and ride height for either tyre would get them feeling similar though.

I did have one big moment with the rear after lunch but I put that down to being hamfisted with the throttle and not adjusting pressures for the ambient temperature increase. A couple of PSI out front and rear and was fine for the rest of the day.

All in all I'm very impressed and they're just the ticket for the cold early morning autumn sessions at Taupo along with my commuting needs over winter :yes:

If you're a road rider they are great in the tight stuff and all indications are they will last really well and give you the confidence to ride harder sooner. If you have any doubt about their grip levels go ask the thou's I was riding around the outside of on Sunday :msn-wink:

I'll come back and update later as I get a better idea of how they are wearing.

[SixPackBack]

I have had a set on the K4 and another on the K6 with the same result: the best front tyre slightly mismatched to a rear that does not behave that well under cold condition's. Watch that rear bro', in the depths of winter you will find it unpredictable.

[discotex]

So what's your poison SPB? Everyone has a fav tyre but me it seems. I feel a little too liberal and open minded haha.

I'm gonna work my way through most of them eventually. Thinking SportAttack or 2ct's next.

She's a hard road finding the perfect tyre....

[SixPackBack]

So what's your poison SPB? Everyone has a fav tyre but me it seems. I feel a little too liberal and open minded haha.

I'm gonna work my way through most of them eventually. Thinking SportAttack or 2ct's next.

She's a hard road finding the perfect tyre....

Yes it is.
BT016 or Sport Attack would be preferred choice. After dozens of sets of different tyres I have come to the conclusion that back to back testing is not really possible unless on the same day, same bike etc.
Think about it..........
Your old set are shagged and usually in the interest of cost run way to long. A new set is purchased and analysis is conducted on percieved performance of your last [well fucked] set-it's illogical!
So for me it becomes a combination of feel, tyre life and most importantly 'moments'-how many times did the tyre behave out of the ordinary [those 'moments' are easy to remember.].............And that is why the Attacks and BT016's come out on top, and why I do not use Powers.

[discotex]

Yes it is.
BT016 or Sport Attack would be preferred choice. After dozens of sets of different tyres I have come to the conclusion that back to back testing is not really possible unless on the same day, same bike etc.
Think about it..........

Yep totally agree. That's why I make a special attempt to evaluate the first 1000km and first track session then come back with my memories over the life of the tyre. But you're right it's still totally subjective and there are a bunch of variables at play.

The adage of "pick a tyre and build your setup around it" makes a lot of sense but I'm just too much of a consumer to not try a bunch first to see what works on the 600rr.

[Mishy]

[QUOTE=SixPackBack;1996864Your old set are shagged and usually in the interest of cost run way to long. A new set is purchased and analysis is conducted on percieved performance of your last [well fucked] set-it's illogical![/FONT]
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It's not often that we read anything that is quite as true as that in this forum, and it's a point that most people overlook entirely . . . . . . . . .

[Tony & Carolyn]

Good timing on this thread as i just called into to bike shop today to sort.....

Had the bt015,good tyres with good feed back both ends. Just finished with a set of conti's' race attack street front/sport attack rear, good front grip but little/no feed back.Rear struggled for grip while on the throttle after the apex but good feedback to let you know where the limit was.(k7 gsxr 1000).

Thinking either m3's , diablo rosso or bt016. m3's sound good an priced right, the rosso's appeal (priced even better) but never had pirelli's an don't know anyone that has had rosso.
The third option bt016 would be safe but can't help thinking m3's or rosso.

I know a few from the darkside that swear by m3's grip/handling and mileage with track days thrown into the mix. (did see an over heated rear spin up out of the hairpin at manfield recently on one of those superduke things, could have ended ugly!!! was two riders one bike in fairness)

Does anyone have anthing good to report about the rosso??

[discotex]

If you like the feedback of the 015 you would love the 016. It's a better tyre in every regard.

The M3's don't give you quite as much feel of the surface but the feel from the front is still good.

Either tyre is going to struggle to fully tame the power of a thou tho.

[Dooly]

Had the M3s on a Triumph TT600 and pretty well were nice and sticky on the road from the first ride. Did'nt do any scrubbing in etc.
Got caught in heavy rain for over half an hour within 100kms after fitting them and they gripped exceptionally well in the wet.
I almost hardly slowed up in the wet.
Was truly impressed.

[mouldy]

Bridgestone make tyres for old men , neutral steering ,stable under brakes and at speed but a little too slow in the turn in and change of direction for me , i run evrything , it's part of my job and my current faves are diablo rossos / loved the M3s as well but rossos are just that little bit better .

[jrandom]

Watch that rear bro', in the depths of winter you will find it unpredictable.

Unfortunately, after highsiding on M3s and smashing myself up a wee bit almost... two years ago now, I gotta agree. M3 rears do like to slide.

But that crash was really just me sucking at riding a motorcycle. I like the feel M3s give. One just has to bear in mind that the rear will let go sooner than, say, a PP 2CT, and ride accordingly.

Which is why I wear PP 2CTs on the 1400, even though they give about as much road feel as glass wheels on greased railway tracks.

I guess it's about what's more important to the rider - feel and agility, or absolute grip levels.

[discotex]

One just has to bear in mind that the rear will let go sooner than, say, a PP 2CT, and ride accordingly.

Hmmm that's kinda how it felt when the rear let go. But then I was pushing harder than on the 016's thanks to more track time under my belt.

Think it's something that can be helped with shock adjustment?

[erik]

Bridgestone make tyres for old men , neutral steering ,stable under brakes and at speed but a little too slow in the turn in and change of direction for me , i run evrything , it's part of my job and my current faves are diablo rossos / loved the M3s as well but rossos are just that little bit better .

Do you reckon Rossos are as grippy as the M3's? I had a rosso front and old diablo rear on my sv, the diablo let go too easily. The Rosso front still has some tread left. Maybe I'll get a rosso rear as well after my current set of M3's have worn out and try them. I like the M3's, it takes quite a bit to make them let go.


Unfortunately, after highsiding on M3s and smashing myself up a wee bit almost... two years ago now, I gotta agree. M3 rears do like to slide.

But that crash was really just me sucking at riding a motorcycle. I like the feel M3s give. One just has to bear in mind that the rear will let go sooner than, say, a PP 2CT, and ride accordingly.

Which is why I wear PP 2CTs on the 1400, even though they give about as much road feel as glass wheels on greased railway tracks.

I guess it's about what's more important to the rider - feel and agility, or absolute grip levels.

Thats weird, I went from a Diablo Rosso front and Diablo rear to M3's and thought the M3's didn't have much feel by comparison (but considerably more grip than the plain Diablo).

[shaymas]

thanks might try them super corser good tyres but dont last long lol fun with them :headbang::banana::2thumbsup

[DVS 69]

Yeah i have them on my gixer 600 ..... What i read on the first page bout these hits it right on the nail theyre awesum tyres and wear well and good feedback i didnt like the bto16's

[discotex]

Yeah i have them on my gixer 600 ..... What i read on the first page bout these hits it right on the nail theyre awesum tyres and wear well and good feedback i didnt like the bto16's

What didn't you like about the 016's? Too slow handling on the gixxer?

[Corse1]

Well a couple of years anyway. I just bought a set of M3's and was debating if the BT016's would be better?? In the end it came down to availability. Can't argue with a set of M3's at $320 190 rear and 120 front. good to have contacts in a country where they don't get ripped on price and the shipping is free (lucky me)

Are these old spec tyres? I have had a set of diablo Rosso's that let go leading to crash last year but maybe the rosso II's are better? I had a couple of slides on the Rosso's weeks before the crash and should have learnt from that. Not too late to change my mind.

What is the latest thougts on the M3's

[Harry the Barstard]

I love em,

I had a pair on my 1992 ZXR750 years ago. She was an awsome bike but she was very heavy for a sports bike. The M3's took on all her weight and didnt once give me anything to worry about on and off the track.

I would have no worries riding them again.

[Corse1]

I love em,

I had a pair on my 1992 ZXR750 years ago. She was an awsome bike but she was very heavy for a sports bike. The M3's took on all her weight and didnt once give me anything to worry about on and off the track.

I would have no worries riding them again.

Thanks Harry, Will wait calmly for their arrival. they are replacing a set of M5 interacts....now thats crazy money but good tyres.

[Madness]

The M5 replaced the M3 AFAIK. Good price on the M3's so who cares!

[hayd3n]

sounds like im getting a m3 front next week

[Stylo]

sounds like im getting a m3 front next week

Reading this thread with interest.

On my second back tyre after 9000 kms, front still good for more @ 9000kms - Z8 Metzeler Interact 'O' version set - Awesome tyres

Gen 2 Hayabusa, including a couple of days at the Drags and a trip, two up to Auckland and back ...

Be interested how a set of M3's would go on my Bike ??

[Madness]

Reading this thread with interest.

On my second back tyre after 9000 kms, front still good for more @ 9000kms - Z8 Metzeler Interact 'O' version set - Awesome tyres

Gen 2 Hayabusa, including a couple of days at the Drags and a trip, two up to Auckland and back ...

Be interested how a set of M3's would go on my Bike ??

They won't last half as long as the Z8's. I'm on my second Z8 rear on the ZX12 & I just can't seem to kill it, including a few burnouts at the drag strip. I've been running Z8 rear with M5 front as I like a bit more sticky up front.

[mouldy]

The M5 replaced the M3 AFAIK. Good price on the M3's so who cares!

i have run both the M3 and M5 and actually prefer the M3 for feedback and flickability . Am on Dunlop Sportsmarts now and wonder why I spend monet on race tyres

[hayd3n]

theres not many options when ive got a 16 inch front rim

[mouldy]

theres not many options when ive got a 16 inch front rim

016 and I think S20 ,will check shelf on Thursday . M3 or Diablo . Why do Honda have weird tyre sizes ?

[hayd3n]

016 and I think S20 ,will check shelf on Thursday . M3 or Diablo . Why do Honda have weird tyre sizes ?

ive got a m3 waiting to get fited
i have a 016 on atm and it has been awesome even now and im on 1.0mm lol