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Big Dave
26th March 2009, 12:39
Anybody have a pic of one?

Maha
26th March 2009, 12:44
Is that a scooter?
Google images??

Big Dave
26th March 2009, 12:56
It was a 900 Meriden sports bike - been 10 pages deep 't google.

Maha
26th March 2009, 13:00
I have found an 81' Bonny produced for the Diana/Charles wedding....obviuously not it, but I will put the link up, have a look through it, some amazing Triumph pics.

Try this......http://images.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HlyXxI87Uh0/SVjoCdd2rKI/AAAAAAAACrc/eAAoYoSeyQc/s320/triumph.gif&imgrefurl=http://dvma.blogspot.com/2008/12/triumph-bonneville-50-years-of-modern.html&usg=__cFJiLDj_Yl6CB9qXjgzgHmYkhJM=&h=295&w=320&sz=77&hl=en&start=59&tbnid=BnQlmj7ZzVTRYM:&tbnh=109&tbnw=118&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtriumph%2Bdiana%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20 %26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D40

Think theres one in here if you scroll down....http://images.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=http://www.birminghamuk.com/bikes/triumph/m_triumph11.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.birminghamuk.com/triumph.htm&usg=__KiDBArqMu7ig_MFa2ixT50z1L7k=&h=266&w=400&sz=107&hl=en&start=4&tbnid=Th0T0ZIr_swwKM:&tbnh=82&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3D900%2BMeriden%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%2 6hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

Max Headroom
26th March 2009, 19:43
BD, here's a link showing a piccie of the engine, if that's any help:

http://www.fedrotriple.it/agg_2008_03/1983-liquid-cooled-triumph-diana.jpg

Bonez
26th March 2009, 20:29
Pheonix was the project name? Did a whole bike ever get put together?

Big Dave
26th March 2009, 21:40
Pheonix was the project name? Did a whole bike ever get put together?

It's mentioned in several of my reference books. Nil images.

Big Dave
26th March 2009, 21:41
I've pinged the esteemed Ryhs James - if anyone has one...Haven't heard back yet.

Big Dave
26th March 2009, 21:45
BD, here's a link showing a piccie of the engine, if that's any help:

http://www.fedrotriple.it/agg_2008_03/1983-liquid-cooled-triumph-diana.jpg


Thanks - p'haps it was just an engine after all

According to chadwick:
1983

TSS-engined T58-1 with rubber-mounted, eight-valve engine aimed at police use is designed. The TR6 is reduced to 600cc. A prototype water-cooled, 900cc bike called the Phoenix (the engine was also known as the 'Diana') is designed in early 1983 (a water-cooled, twin OHC vertical twin). Also, the Thunderbird was reduced to 600cc, and offered with twin carbs as the Daytona 600. Last year for the TSX. But Meriden's money was running out and car sales were rising while bike sales were dropping.

Robbo
26th March 2009, 22:21
I have found an 81' Bonny produced for the Diana/Charles wedding....obviuously not it, but I will put the link up, have a look through it, some amazing Triumph pics.

Try this......http://images.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HlyXxI87Uh0/SVjoCdd2rKI/AAAAAAAACrc/eAAoYoSeyQc/s320/triumph.gif&imgrefurl=http://dvma.blogspot.com/2008/12/triumph-bonneville-50-years-of-modern.html&usg=__cFJiLDj_Yl6CB9qXjgzgHmYkhJM=&h=295&w=320&sz=77&hl=en&start=59&tbnid=BnQlmj7ZzVTRYM:&tbnh=109&tbnw=118&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtriumph%2Bdiana%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20 %26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D40

Think theres one in here if you scroll down....http://images.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=http://www.birminghamuk.com/bikes/triumph/m_triumph11.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.birminghamuk.com/triumph.htm&usg=__KiDBArqMu7ig_MFa2ixT50z1L7k=&h=266&w=400&sz=107&hl=en&start=4&tbnid=Th0T0ZIr_swwKM:&tbnh=82&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3D900%2BMeriden%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%2 6hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

Hey Maha. Great links, thanks for that.

Cheers :niceone:

Maha
26th March 2009, 22:23
Hey Maha. Great links, thanks for that.

Cheers :niceone:

Yeah that first link is awesome eh?
Dont think it helped BD any but its worth a scroll through.

Paul in NZ
27th March 2009, 06:30
Thanks - p'haps it was just an engine after all

According to chadwick:
1983

TSS-engined T58-1 with rubber-mounted, eight-valve engine aimed at police use is designed. The TR6 is reduced to 600cc. A prototype water-cooled, 900cc bike called the Phoenix (the engine was also known as the 'Diana') is designed in early 1983 (a water-cooled, twin OHC vertical twin). Also, the Thunderbird was reduced to 600cc, and offered with twin carbs as the Daytona 600. Last year for the TSX. But Meriden's money was running out and car sales were rising while bike sales were dropping.

I'll hve a look around the place but I'm sure I've got more info here some place...

For what it's worth - the Thunderbird was reduced to 650cc not 600cc and was sold as a T65 I think. Apparenty it was a very nice bike and was highly sought after by riders. The odd example made it here but I've never ridden one.

Re the other. I think in the 60's there was a Norton project designed by charles udal that had extensive testing. I was a horrible heavy rattley OHC thing fitted into a cut down featherbed chassis. It sort of hung about like a bad smell for yonks and was even considered as a bonnie replacement but thankfully it was abandoned and work started of other options. There were several contenders. A modual V series where cylinders were added from a basic single learners up to a massive V5 (I think Hopwood did that one) and Norton played with the stepped piston 2 stroke (the Wulf) but went to the rotary (they had spend a fortune on licenses already).

Triumph did display a Pheonix at the NEC (from memory) and somehow it was connected to the earlier Udal bike (cleaned up or redeveloped) as I remember something in Bike about it but it was so obviously a prototype and fuggly no one seriously considered it.

Paul in NZ
27th March 2009, 06:39
That didn't take me long....

Bonez
27th March 2009, 09:03
Cool Paul. Got a pic of the engine complete with gearbox?

Big Dave
27th March 2009, 10:11
That didn't take me long....

Taa - is it a copyright image Paul?

Big Dave
27th March 2009, 10:53
Yeah that first link is awesome eh?
Dont think it helped BD any but its worth a scroll through.

worth a scroll through.

Paul in NZ
27th March 2009, 12:51
Taa - is it a copyright image Paul?

Urk - not sure, got it from..

http://www.vintagebike.co.uk/Bike%20Directories/

Looks like the picture is taken outside meriden but it's labeled 1983??

Erm - Sorry I can't be more help but I've never worried too much about keeping all the info in my head as all factories are always making prototypes and playing with ideas. - hell, I've even seen pictures of a Hesketh in Triumph livery... (bloody hell), 650 engines in bandit chassis etc etc.

They are just maybes and not really significant - to be honest, that engine looks fake to me which does jog a few brain cells.

Big Dave
31st March 2009, 18:45
I've even seen pictures of a Hesketh in Triumph livery...


It was on the front cover of Two Wheels.

cc rider
3rd April 2009, 02:30
For what it's worth - the Thunderbird was reduced to 650cc not 600cc and was sold as a T65 I think.
Didn't the Thunderbird 650 became TR6 & there was a couple TR7 series.
The 'Diana' was to replace the 'Jubilee' right?
Did anyone find a photo of one?

Big Dave
4th April 2009, 22:09
see Post #13

the mouse
18th May 2009, 22:06
I have a little info from book Triumph Bonneville Year by Year book author Paul Hazeldine. There is a pic very similar of the donk from the other side and a darker pic of the mock up at the show taken from a front view angle, hard to see really. The text reads something like ...
The proposed Phoenix first mentioned late 1982 is a water cooled DOHC twin with 4 valves per cylinder chamber. It featured at the Birmingham Show 1983 as a complete bike mock up. It was placed in a remote area making close inspection difficult. It had four exhaust pipes, only two silencers, the engine a stressed part of the frame with a monoshock rear suspension, cast alloy wheels and disc brakes. They were up with the play really, what could have been.

The show display was in March despite the fact they had ceased production in January, and in August the company as history tells, went bung, the phantom bike was never made.

There is also a better black and white pic in "T140 and Derivatives" by Roy Bacon of the Phoenix 900 which says the engine was coded "Diana", now Roy is a Trumpy, Beeza, and Norty guru writing many books on these, he should know.

1982 there was also a TS8-1 model with 8 valve head and anti vibration frame, never made due to production problems. The TSS 8 valve head bike was based on this bike, there were a few plonking about NZ with their leaky heads, probally worth collecting now.
TSX was made at same time, same donk but had custom styled panels, a Bing carby and megaphone silencers.

Two other new models for 1983 and it's vague if any were produced. They were a 600cc Daytona twin carb, and a 600 cc Thunderbird single carb, both had twin disc brakes. I have no pics. They were 650's with a reduced stroke.

Voltaire
18th May 2009, 22:27
Found mention of it in the last couple of pages of a Triumph book, 650, 750 and 900 cc water cooled DOHC engines.
Then John Bloor beat Enfield India to the remains from the receivers.
The last picture shows a Hesketh 1000 with Triumph badging outside the factory.....hmmmmm a V twin Triumph....
I think I saw a Triumph Quadrant once in the Museum....a one off Trident like bike.

the mouse
18th May 2009, 23:25
This be it 1975
http://www.motorbike-search-engine.co.uk/classic_bikes/7.jpg

and another ...
http://www.realclassic.co.uk/ridesfiles/rides04071206.jpg

The guy in the green made this home made version
http://www.triplesonline.com/events/2006Beezumph15/DSCN1558.jpg

skidMark
18th May 2009, 23:27
There are 3 settings on a lucas switch, off smoulder and ignite.

the mouse
18th May 2009, 23:35
Only if they don't self destruct first before you try turn em!

pete376403
19th May 2009, 14:40
This be it 1975
http://www.motorbike-search-engine.co.uk/classic_bikes/7.jpg

and another ...
http://www.realclassic.co.uk/ridesfiles/rides04071206.jpg

The guy in the green made this home made version
http://www.triplesonline.com/events/2006Beezumph15/DSCN1558.jpg

All that work to make the replica, and then spell then name incorrectly...

Paul in NZ
19th May 2009, 20:10
There are 3 settings on a lucas switch, off smoulder and ignite.

Yeah - they are complete shit which would explain the 20 odd years I've owned my TR6C and only ever had 1 electrical problem. a worn out ignition switch... (caused the occasional misfire) Oh, and the near exclusive use of british bikes since 1973 with only 1 walk home due to electrics, an exploding alternator rotor at 100mph on a hot Norton 750... Bloody thing was only 18 years old at the time...

the mouse
19th May 2009, 20:18
I'm fitter than you then, probally have a bigger right leg too.

Big Dave
22nd May 2009, 11:08
In the time I owned my T120 there wasn't a period where it didn't have an electrical problem. I was however more reliable than Trip's Norton.

pete376403
23rd May 2009, 15:41
A friend had a 72 Commando, with the horrible Lucas switchgear. (for those who have never seen them, they were symmetrical - a button, a three position switch below and another button underneath. So they could be used as both left and right side switch blocks)
I have no idea how he discovered this, but the bike could be started with the key off if the left 3 pos switch was all the way down (or up, cant remember) and one of the unused buttons on the right side switch block was held down. Must have been some back circuit that was turning on the ignition. The Joy of Lucas...

Paul in NZ
23rd May 2009, 16:50
I'm fitter than you then, probally have a bigger right leg too.


I can leg press 200kg for 3 sets of 15 - good training ;-)

Paul in NZ
23rd May 2009, 16:52
In the time I owned my T120 there wasn't a period where it didn't have an electrical problem. I was however more reliable than Trip's Norton.

Lucas did drop some clangers like all makers.

The alloy switchgear on the early OIF bikes was an example... The pre zenner switch controlled alternator systems were poorly understood and NOT a great idea but this was bleeding edge stuff back then...

Big Dave
23rd May 2009, 16:56
I can lift a Bonneville so that both wheels are off the ground.

The problem with mine was gremlins in the loom. It was the case with all those bikes that I could afford back them. You bought someone else's f*ck ups.

hayd3n
23rd May 2009, 17:00
http://www.vintagebike.co.uk/Bike%20Directories/Triumph%20Bikes/Triumph%20Index.htm

Big Dave
23rd May 2009, 17:24
Listed as the Phoenix on that rather good page. taa.

Paul in NZ
19th June 2011, 06:39
Major thread dredge....

A short article on the Diana in the latest classic guide mag (one with a V4 AJS on the cover) on page 15.

Cheers