Stoner vs Rossi

[Crasherfromwayback]

Whaddya all gonna do now that Stoner is still faster than Rossi (by nearly a sec a lap no less) etc even though at the latest test he was down on top speed to the Yamahas and the Suzukis??

Oh that's right...the Ducati's electronics!! Well I would've thought that the Yamaha and the Suzuki's electronics must now be pretty good too. The top speeds of them is probably dictated by them be able to get on the gas good and early. Drive out of corners = good top speed!

You might all have to finally accept he's a true weapon eh??

[enigma51]

Hows his wrist ...... or do we have to wait until his under presure?

[Ivan]

good as howd hayden go?

[Crasherfromwayback]

good as howd hayden go?

Still struggling by the look of it.

http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics/2009/JER/MotoGP/QP/

[quallman1234]

good as howd hayden go?

11th. Will be interesting watching him get to grips with the Duke.

I know the duke runs a V4. What do the rest run? I think inline's?

[Scouse]

Whaddya all gonna do now that Stoner is still faster than RossiWell fuck me is it the end of the 09 season already?

[smoky]

Whaddya all gonna do now that Stoner is still faster than Rossi

But put a bit pressure on and we'll see, it's about more than a faster bike - Rossi can still out ride him, even on a slower bike

[johan]

As far as I know, Ducati is running Magneti Marelli electronics, so does Yamaha and Kawasaki.

Then it's up to each team to program it to fit their bike/rider.

Honda decided to build their own electronics and so did Suzuki, if I'm not mistaken.

[k14]

11th. Will be interesting watching him get to grips with the Duke.

I know the duke runs a V4. What do the rest run? I think inline's?
Everyone apart from yamaha and kawasaki run v4's.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well fuck me is it the end of the 09 season already?

Ahhh pretty sure I didn't say he'd won the '09' championship mate! He was often faster than Rossi last year too. Didn't win the championship.

I'm mearly stating that once again...Stoner is THE fastest cunt out there.

Putting it together for a season is a different kettle of fish I'm fully aware.


But put a bit pressure on and we'll see, it's about more than a faster bike - Rossi can still out ride him, even on a slower bike

Yeah well the boots on the other foot now mate...THAT's the whole point of my post! Rossis bike would now appear faster than Stoners...yet Stoner is going quicker than Rossi. Did at Sepang and Qatar too.

[Oscar]

Whaddya all gonna do now that Stoner is still faster than Rossi (by nearly a sec a lap no less) etc even though at the latest test he was down on top speed to the Yamahas and the Suzukis??

Oh that's right...the Ducati's electronics!! Well I would've thought that the Yamaha and the Suzuki's electronics must now be pretty good too. The top speeds of them is probably dictated by them be able to get on the gas good and early. Drive out of corners = good top speed!

You might all have to finally accept he's a true weapon eh??

Do they give out a trophy for practice times?:whistle:

[svr]

So Haydon, like everyone else that's tried, can't ride that thing either. Whats it gonna take to convince people that Stoner can ride?
Makes you wonder how fast that little nutter would go on a decent bike!

[F5 Dave]

Pete man I agree with ya, but they're killin ya. Bling to Scouse & Oscar for best laugh in a while.

[sosman]

good as howd hayden go?

Here's a good place like to go for updated goss http://www.crash.net/motogp/home.html You can view the comments/slagging crap between Rossi & Stoner arm chair racers haha!
Mika kalio out performed hayden!:gob:

[sosman]

Do they give out a trophy for practice times?:whistle:

They gave out a BMW car :whistle:

[svr]

Pete man I agree with ya, but they're killin ya. Bling to Scouse & Oscar for best laugh in a while.

Pete was actually known for `jumpin the gun' a bit, back in his day...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pete man I agree with ya, but they're killin ya. Bling to Scouse & Oscar for best laugh in a while.

And I'd agree with you if I'd stated Stoner has won the championship!

What I was/am pointing out is this...Stoner is faster than Rossi even though Rossi's bike is now faster than the Duke! So all the wingers that said Stoner was only faster than Rossi because of the dukes speed will now have to find a different excuse.

They may FINALLY have to conceed Stoner is the fastest man to come along in a LONG time! Just like Ben Spies.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pete was actually known for `jumpin the gun' a bit, back in his day...

That's enough outta you mate! Who says you can't holeshot a race from the third row anyway??

[Oscar]

They gave out a BMW car :whistle:

Does it have a World Championship engraved on the door...?:oi-grr:

[sosman]

Does it have a World Championship engraved on the door...?:oi-grr:
Still better than a trophy

[Crasherfromwayback]

Does it have a World Championship engraved on the door...?:oi-grr:

Maybe not...but you'd loved to have won it!


Still better than a trophy

Aye. And despite what some people may think mate...every single one of them was going hard out to win that car!

[k14]

Here's a good place like to go for updated goss http://www.crash.net/motogp/home.html You can view the comments/slagging crap between Rossi & Stoner arm chair racers haha!
Mika kalio out performed hayden!:gob:
Yeah and gibby was faster too! In that particular session he was the fourth fastest duke. Although in the other sessions he was a bit better, around 1s off stoners pace in a much more creditable 6th or 7th. The biggest surprise for me was Melandri not being last, well within the top 10 in some of the timesheets.

[slowpoke]

Can you blame the bloke for being in a hurry to get home to the missus? He did set that time in the very last session, the kid was probably on his way out the gate....

[ElCoyote]

Ahhh pretty sure I didn't say he'd won the '09' championship mate! He was often faster than Rossi last year too. Didn't win the championship.

I'm mearly stating that once again...Stoner is THE fastest cunt out there.

Putting it together for a season is a different kettle of fish I'm fully aware.



Yeah well the boots on the other foot now mate...THAT's the whole point of my post! Rossis bike would now appear faster than Stoners...yet Stoner is going quicker than Rossi. Did at Sepang and Qatar too.

As I said previously, Stoner is a flake and without his Mum in the pits he'll fold. Accept it and get over it Peter.:headbang:

[Sparky Bills]

Just like last season.... Theres going to be some VERY good racing.
So I wonder who the mystery man will be this year. Theres always one coming through the ranks each year.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Can you blame the bloke for being in a hurry to get home to the missus? He did set that time in the very last session, the kid was probably on his way out the gate....

So truuuuuue! Stoner deserves the tittle for having THE hottest Mrs ever!


As I said previously, Stoner is a flake and without his Mum in the pits he'll fold. Accept it and get over it Peter.:headbang:

That ain't his missus mate!

[Oscar]

Still better than a trophy

You'd have a shit-box BMW instead of being MotoGP World Champion?
Are you in the right forum?:scratch::scratch::scratch:

[lostinflyz]

over a single lap stoners + duc = pretty well uncatchable. but it aint superpole. 30 plus odd laps to win a race, poles dont mean squat.

But testing don't mean shit. if theres one thing f1 is good for its showing that predicting form testing is a fools game. People are always trying different things at different times and 99% of people could care less what the time is come the end of the lap. People will play with corners and geometries, sprockets, gearings and frames to find what works where and figure out why. without watching the whole test lap by lap you dont have a clue whos got what. just cause a bikes fast in a straight line one time in the day doesn't mean its fastest, and dont mean it aint. just cause a guy bangs in a lap thats a whole second clear of the pack (or a whole second behind everyone) dont mean itll be its true pace, look back and spot where suzuki usually are during testing,then where they are come racing time

but till everyones gotta go ballistic at the same moment be careful bragging too much.

[Kiwi Graham]

Whaddya all gonna do now that Stoner is still faster than Rossi (by nearly a sec a lap no less) etc even though at the latest test he was down on top speed to the Yamahas and the Suzukis??

Oh that's right...the Ducati's electronics!! Well I would've thought that the Yamaha and the Suzuki's electronics must now be pretty good too. The top speeds of them is probably dictated by them be able to get on the gas good and early. Drive out of corners = good top speed!

You might all have to finally accept he's a true weapon eh??

Mmmm, Out on his own, cherry picking his lines, no one growling up his arse, just himself to concentrate on, take a rest every couple of laps etc etc yeah he's fast.
Strung a couple of 'fast' ones together myself way back when.
However stick a Dr on his arse with 1000's of eyes on him and a few other distractions and................well lets wait and see eh!

[Crasherfromwayback]

over a single lap stoners + duc = pretty well uncatchable. but it aint superpole. 30 plus odd laps to win a race, poles dont mean squat.
but till everyones gotta go ballistic at the same moment be careful bragging too much.

How good is your memory?


Mmmm, Out on his own, cherry picking his lines, no one growling up his arse, just himself to concentrate on, take a rest every couple of laps etc etc yeah he's fast.
Strung a couple of 'fast' ones together myself way back when.
However stick a Dr on his arse with 1000's of eyes on him and a few other distractions and................well lets wait and see eh!

How good's your memory too?

Fact: Rossi lost the '06' championship to Hayden falling in to the pressure. Binned it when he needn't have. Hayden deserved the title. Those of you that think Stoner is the only racer to succumb to pressure have shit memories.

Fact: Stoner crashed his brains out in '06' on a satelite Honda, but proved how fast he was.

Fact: Stoner won the title in '07' by miles on a bike that no one else could ride.

Fact: Stoner was more often than not faster than Rossi last year..but was beaten by one of THE greatest racers we've ever seen to the title. He was beaten by experience and old school cunning. No problem for a man of his age.

Fact: Stoner has once again proven that he can ride a motorcycle no other fucker can ride at a pace that no other fucker on any motorcyle can go.

Any arguments so far?

[Sensei]

Last time I raced with Rossi he came up to me & asked how I got my RSVR to go so fast as I passed both him & Stoner along the back straight doing a wheelie , I told him , don't get to worryed about my lap times just yet dude as I haven't been signed up for a team yet :Punk::2guns:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Last time I raced with Rossi he came up to me & asked how I got my RSVR to go so fast as I passed both him & Stoner along the back straight doing a wheelie , I told him , don't get to worryed about my lap times just yet dude as I have been signed up for a team yet :Punk::2guns:

What..no one handed wheelie mate? Pift...what's wrong with ya!

[sAsLEX]

<img src=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8_ENa7sVpug/SXRPte0206I/AAAAAAAADVU/G5aT-IH4LI4/s400/Rossi_Stoner_corkscrew.jpg>

Hmmm Stoner will go the way of the others.....

[sosman]

Do they give out a trophy for practice times?:whistle:


You'd have a shit-box BMW instead of being MotoGP World Champion?
Are you in the right forum?:scratch::scratch::scratch:

Brain fade?....& yep I'll take a shit box BMW cause I know I will never be world champ...

[wbks]

Last time I raced with Rossi he came up to me & asked how I got my RSVR to go so fast as I passed both him & Stoner along the back straight doing a wheelie , I told him , don't get to worryed about my lap times just yet dude as I have been signed up for a team yet :Punk::2guns:Just a tip... When you're trying to post something funny, you might want to make it a little more legible...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just a tip... When you're trying to post something funny, you might want to make it a little more legible...

Dunno 'bout you mate...but I got the gist of it. Found it funny too.

[sosman]

Just a tip... When you're trying to post something funny, you might want to make it a little more legible...


Dunno 'bout you mate...but I got the gist of it. Found it funny too.

Yep me got it too! just hope when he over took Stoner & Rossi in a wheelie......that he gave them a nod:clap:

[roogazza]

Pete was actually known for `jumpin the gun' a bit, back in his day...

'premature ejaculation' is a womans problem, don't worry pete ! Gaz.

ps seems the Rossi fans are out early this year ? :clap:

[Kiwi Graham]

Fact: Stoner has once again proven that he can ride a motorcycle no other fucker can ride at a pace that no other fucker on any motorcyle can go.

Any arguments so far?

Err............... Troy Bayliss ring any bells!!
Another hard case 'racer'!

[Crasherfromwayback]

'premature ejaculation' is a womans problem, don't worry pete !
:clap:

He was talkin 'bout me going first not coming first mate!:whistle:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Err............... Troy Bayliss ring any bells!!
Another hard case 'racer'!

Ahhh...while I hear you there mate...you've gotta remember (surely) that Bayliss won on the Ducati while it was still 990cc's? Capirossi also won races (before Bayliss no less) on it in that guise.

Care to name anyone that's won a race on the thing (other than Stoner) in it's 800cc guise?

[Oscar]

Another season is on us, and this is going to be another goodie.
What about this guy?
Will he feature?
Actually, I don't rate him as much as Stoner or Rossi, but it was the best pic I took last year....

[Cr1MiNaL]

Casey Stoner is the fastest racer in the world according to me - no doubt. The kid's got talent (and a not so hot missus) BUT... Valentino Rossi is just as fast around most circuits (0.2-0.5 seconds a lap slower perhaps) but he is bloody consistant. Whether he's got a broken brake lever or no shifter, whether he's up fornt or crashed and catching up to 13th place, the man does the same times lap in and lap out. Slow in fast out - slow in fast out. Stoner is just fast fast fast. Good for a 1000 meter sprint, less useful on a Grand Prix race.

Besides stoner's young inexperienced (so to speak) Rossis as we all know is a 7 time world champ. What about qualifying times you say? I think it's all a mind game. Rossi knows where he's good. Lets Stoner get a second quicker at qualifying without risking crashing and injuring himself. Watches stoner and then pushes him over the edge.

Stoner will be world champ one day. But, that day is not today.

[Oscar]

Ahhh...while I hear you there mate...you've gotta remember (surely) that Bayliss won on the Ducati while it was still 990cc's? Capirossi also won races (before Bayliss no less) on it in that guise.

Care to name anyone that's won a race on the thing (other than Stoner) in it's 800cc guise?

Loris?
Motegi 2007.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Stoner will be world champ one day. But, that day is not today.

Ummm...hate to break the news to you mate...but Stoner has already been world champ!

Can't remember if Freddie Spencer was younger as world champ or not.

Goggle it.

[Cr1MiNaL]

Ummm...hate to break the news to you mate...but Stoner has already been world champ!

Can't remember if Freddie Spencer was younger as world champ or not.

Goggle it.

Umm yes my apologies, my point was more rhetoric. I mean when your comparing the likes of a legend to a one off wonder, it is as good as Rossi having won 6 world titles and Stoner none.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Umm yes my apologies, my point was more rhetoric. I mean when your comparing the likes of a legend to a one off wonder, it is as good as Rossi having won 6 world titles and Stoner none.

I see. And Rossi is 30 now yeah? And Stoner is what...22 yeah? So you think Stoner is a one off wonder? Have you ever been to a GP? Do you seriously think that after all of his years racing at the top level...and after 8 titles Rossi isn't being shown up by Stoner? Remember this. No matter how fast you are...someone will always come along that's faster than you. You're witnessing this now. It's called changing of the guard.

[Tony.OK]

Lets get rid of all the electronic crap and go back to old school............backin it in and smokin it up on the way out. Then you will really see who's got the most talent:yes:

Watching last year when Rossi and Stoner were going at it, they showed the combined telemetry and it was quite astonishing that Stoner was using 100% throttle at every apex......................is it just that Stoner has a better grasp on the techie shit than his fellow teamates? He's definately a great rider, but lets see what happens when its all down to rider input rather than a black box doing it for ya.

[Cr1MiNaL]

I see. And Rossi is 30 now yeah? And Stoner is what...22 yeah? So you think Stoner is a one off wonder? Have you ever been to a GP? Do you seriously think that after all of his years racing at the top level...and after 8 titles Rossi isn't being shown up by Stoner? Remember this. No matter how fast you are...someone will always come along that's faster than you. You're witnessing this now. It's called changing of the guard.

In response to your questions, yes there is about an 8 year age differential between the two racers, not uncommon is motorsport I might point out. No I have never been to a moto GP but I have been to Italy, Spain and Venice have you? , but of cause this is irrelevant.

So moving on, no I do not sincerely believe that Rossi is being 'shown up'by Stoner. As - If . What I do see is almost a mockery of skill v/s arrogance. Stoner is a lad, has a lot of talent but Rossi is an experienced racer, much more so that Stoner. I see him toying with stoner pushing him harder than he can go and making him crack. Would you like me to site a few examples from the season just past? I think this would be unnceessarry as I know you watch it as much as I do.

[Oscar]

I see. And Rossi is 30 now yeah? And Stoner is what...22 yeah? So you think Stoner is a one off wonder? Have you ever been to a GP? Do you seriously think that after all of his years racing at the top level...and after 8 titles Rossi isn't being shown up by Stoner? Remember this. No matter how fast you are...someone will always come along that's faster than you. You're witnessing this now. It's called changing of the guard.

Er...the changing of the guard?
Maybe.

But how many pretenders did Doohan see off?
How many has Rossi crushed?
I think we forget that Rossi on the 990 Yamaha was a long shot at the title, and that when he lost it to Hayden, it was supposed to be the resurgence of Honda...
I was at Phillip Island when he got that 10 sec. penalty, and in the face of a great field he simply pulled out at .5 sec a lap until he was winning (and the fact that he worked out from a pit board that said "P1 - 10.00" says a lot about his intelligence and coolness under pressure).

Rossi likes being the underdog.

Over the past ten years we've seen the likes of Max, Loris and Danni come and go (and in the case of the latter, he may come again).

Stoner isn't a one off wonder, but only time will tell if he's worthy of another title. How many newbies are in the field in 2009, ready to outshine both of them?

[eelracing]

Ummm...hate to break the news to you mate...but Stoner has already been world champ!

Can't remember if Freddie Spencer was younger as world champ or not.

Goggle it.


Fast Freddie=youngest ever 500cc world champ by a few days i think,but it was another example of the young bucks rising above the old guard.King Kenny ring any bells.

No arguement here regarding Stoners talent but I think Rossi has sucked us in.The Stoner challenge is what Rossi gets off on,remember the moves he pulled on Gibernau and the baiting of Biaggi let alone the Laguna race last year.He lives for this stuff and the battles on track are the icing on the cake.A real racers racer and thank god for Sete,Max and Casey coz without them Rossi would'nt be the greatest.

The older Rossi gets, it seems the more aggressive he's prepared to be on track.Bring it on i say,chuck in the mix Dovioso and Lorenzo and this year should be a corker.

As for Ben Spies going to WSB...now theres a momma's boy.

[k14]

Ahhh...while I hear you there mate...you've gotta remember (surely) that Bayliss won on the Ducati while it was still 990cc's? Capirossi also won races (before Bayliss no less) on it in that guise.

Care to name anyone that's won a race on the thing (other than Stoner) in it's 800cc guise?
Yeah, capirossi won at motegi in 07, same race that stoner sealed the title :2guns: (sorry, couldn't resist)

[Scouse]

Casey Stoner is the fastest in the world according to me .I thought you were the fastest in the world acording to you Raj.


Rossis as we all know is a 7 time world champ. What about qualifying times you say? I think it's all a mind game. Rossi knows where he's good. Lets Stoner get a second quicker at qualifying without risking crashing and injuring himself. Watches stoner and then pushes him over the edge.Now your talking sence

[roogazza]

Another season is on us, and this is going to be another goodie.
What about this guy?
Will he feature?
Actually, I don't rate him as much as Stoner or Rossi, but it was the best pic I took last year....

Oscar, I'm picking Dovi as a big surprise this year, just wait till the scapping starts. gaz.

[Oscar]

Oscar, I'm picking Dovi as a big surprise this year, just wait till the scapping starts. gaz.

Ahhh...Gorgeous George.
Good choice.

[codgyoleracer]

Dark horse - Lorenzo
Fastest Horse - Rossi
Prancing Horse -Stoner

I wonder which one is gonna go lame, or get a bit frisky & tell its rider to get off. Which one will be good out of the gate & which will be the stayer ?. Which one will produce the most shit and which one will "Whinny (whinge) the most.

Fickle things these horses........My pick overall is the one from Tavullia

Gonna be a great season.
Glen

[johan]

Here's a pretty good overview of Stoner's career.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4ffRj8eD_Y&feature=PlayList&p=648A6314268436A9&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=26

Around 5 minutes in the movie, some good sliding action!

[Matt Bleck]

Whaddya all gonna do now that Stoner is still faster than Rossi (by nearly a sec a lap no less) etc even though at the latest test he was down on top speed to the Yamahas and the Suzukis??

Stoner has the the car, but Vale has the cup! :first:

Rossi could of closed that gap if Elais hadn't of been in the way...... :spanking: Still tho, he wouldn't of been faster than Casey, but hey wasn't Stoner faster than Rossi at Laguna last year? :buggerd:


Oh that's right...the Ducati's electronics!! Well I would've thought that the Yamaha and the Suzuki's electronics must now be pretty good too. The top speeds of them is probably dictated by them be able to get on the gas good and early. Drive out of corners = good top speed!

I got a new one for the book and for all the Duc knockers, the frame AND swingarm are now carbon fibre.... :shutup:



You might all have to finally accept he's a true weapon eh??

With out a doubt the wingnut is a true weapon, and anyone who knocks 'em is delusion or a die hard fan of another rider.

I think Casey has along way to go tho, before he is any where near the legend that Rossi is.

Great thread tho :niceone:

[Oscar]

With out a doubt the wingnut is a true weapon, and anyone who knocks 'em is delusion or a die hard fan of another rider.

I think Casey has along way to go tho, before he is any where near the legend that Rossi is.

Great thread tho :niceone:

He can never match Rossi.

125
250
500
990
800

Rossi has a full set.
No one can ever match that.

[2wheeldrifter]

I think Stoner just has too mature alittle, he has talant for sure.. even Troy couldn't tame the Duc and went back to SBK. Have yet to see any another Ducati rider up there with Stoner???? So to master that bike must say something about his riding skills. Just matter of time for him to grow, not so much with skilled riding, but in the mind.

Rossi just has that all round talant on and off the track, the few more years under his belt does him better than Stoner, give stoner a few more years were will he be??

End the day, damn good racing to watch, and HUGE balls in keeping those bikes under control, lets hope they can keep fighting it out without any one getting killed aye, THAT would be a waste!

[johan]

I got a new one for the book and for all the Duc knockers, the frame AND swingarm are now carbon fibre.... :shutup:



I hope they crash well, next year only one bike per event allowed, if I understood the new rules correctly.

[Two Smoker]

Its going to be close racing no matter what. Stoner is fast, but rossi always is willing to go that little bit more too win. Cant wait!

[Crasherfromwayback]

He can never match Rossi.

125
250
500
990
800

Rossi has a full set.
No one can ever match that.

Ummmm...hello!! Only because there's no such thing as 500's and or 990's anymore dude!

[Shaun]

Ummmm...hello!! Only because there's no such thing as 500's and or 990's anymore dude!




And your point is:banana:

[Oscar]

Ummmm...hello!! Only because there's no such thing as 500's and or 990's anymore dude!

Jeez, you're good with the obvious.

If if we ignore the stellar achievement of being able to win on 500's 990's and 800's - how many 125 or 250 Titles has Stoner got?

[Crasherfromwayback]

And your point is:banana:

Bit like saying Rossi will never have 250/350 GP titles really. Totally pointless in the grand scheme of things. But Oscar might like to know that Rossi will never have any Australian flat track titles!

[slowpoke]

Yup Rossi is one of the greatest ever but a lot of it has to go down to Jerry Burgess. Everyone lords Rossi's skills but it's most definitely a team sport, as shown by Bayliss who only won his MotoGP race when he took his WSB team with him for the event. Rossi is an amazing rider but Burgess deserves more credit.

Stoner is smart. He learns and then applies his learnings. He won't make the same mistakes and Rossi/Burgess/yamaha are going to have to pull finger to be anywhere near him.

The scary thing for Rossi fans is that this test was at one of the tracks Ducati has always struggled at.

I'm a Rossi fan but I have to acknowledge that Stoner is brilliant. Apart from Rossi/Stoner battles I'd just love to see Hayden stick it to Honda and the slimy Puig/Pedrosa partnership and be right in the mix.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Jeez, you're good with the obvious.

If if we ignore the stellar achievement of being able to win on 500's 990's and 800's - how many 125 or 250 Titles has Stoner got?

See..now that's where I've got ya mate! Stoner was never blessed with factory equipment from the word go as Rossi was. Soon as he was...hey Presto...a Moto GP world title beating Rossi in only his second year trying!

Now you're such a Rossi fan obviously...and don't get me wrong...I've always stated he's one of the best we've ever seen. But Rossi took two years to win each title...125/250/500. Even Pedrosa won the 250 title in his first crack mate! Is Rossi really that good...or has he simply had it easy as far as opposition goes? Do you think he'd foot it with Doohan with a mashed up leg? Would he have beaten King Kenny with a broken back? Those questions can never be answered. Just like you saying no one can ever win 125/250/500/990/800 titles. It's guess work mate.

[wbks]

Its relevant and you know it! Its not relevant that Valentino might be a boxers guy, but its relevant that Valentino's experience of riding (and winning) 5 different world GP classes gives him an advantage over Stoner that he can not even try to match.

Its not saying that he could have never one that class, it's saying he never DID win that class.

[Oscar]

Bit like saying Rossi will never have 250/350 GP titles really. Totally pointless in the grand scheme of things. But Oscar might like to know that Rossi will never have any Australian flat track titles!

Firstly, Rossi does have a 250 title.

He also has an incredible winning ratio.
The man has eight titles from 12 and a bit years on the circuit.

Stoner has one from seven.
If he wins another 11 or 12 titles he'll have the same ratio.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Firstly, Rossi does have a 250 title.

He also has an incredible winning ratio.
The man has eight titles from 12 and a bit years on the circuit.

Stoner has one from seven.
If he wins another 11 or 12 titles he'll have the same ratio.

Indeed he does. And as I've said...you'll never see me say Rossi is anything other than one of THE best we've ever seen. But he's not the fastest now.

How many people love Revvin Kevin? Was he not one of THE fastest we've ever seen on two wheels? Did he bin it far too often when he didn't need to? Fuck yeah! But man...was he fucking fast on the day or what! He won a single world championship...but people call im a legend! (And in my eyes he is a legend). My point is...and always will be that Stoner is THE fastest racer you or I have probably ever seen. Spies will be the next one.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Firstly, Rossi does have a 250 title.

He also has an incredible winning ratio.
The man has eight titles from 12 and a bit years on the circuit.

Stoner has one from seven.
If he wins another 11 or 12 titles he'll have the same ratio.

One more thing seeing as you love stats so much.

Q: What's the ratio of Rossi vs Stoner for the Moto GP title when they've both been on factory equipment?

A: 1-1.

Pretty good for a 22 year old.

[Oscar]

Indeed he does. And as I've said...you'll never see me say Rossi is anything other than one of THE best we've ever seen. But he's not the fastest now.

How many people love Revvin Kevin? Was he not one of THE fastest we've ever seen on two wheels? Did he bin it far too often when he didn't need to? Fuck yeah! But man...was he fucking fast on the day or what! He won a single world championship...but people call im a legend! (And in my eyes he is a legend). My point is...and always will be that Stoner is THE fastest racer you or I have probably ever seen. Spies will be the next one.

I'm not sure what yer trying to say here (and I suspect that you may be unsure as well). What do you mean by fast? Lap times?

By that definition, I'm in no doubt Stoner is fast, and may be the fastest on his day. But it's often not his day (particularly when Vales about).

Measured by race wins, and titles, Rossi is the one of the greatest ever and Stoner isn't on the same page.

Come back in six or seven seasons and we'll talk about Stoner being fast.

[Oscar]

One more thing seeing as you love stats so much.

Q: What's the ratio of Rossi vs Stoner for the Moto GP title when they've both been on factory equipment?

A: 1-1.

Pretty good for a 22 year old.

Stoner doesn't race Rossi.
He races Stoner, and on several occasions last season, it showed.

[cowpoos]

He can never match Rossi.

125
250
500
990
800

Rossi has a full set.
No one can ever match that.

ummm...right. the past is a funny thing in how it happened. as in been...gone.

Stoner is faster than rossi around most race tracks period...you can't compare the past with now...its not relivent...both on factory bikes [no one else with a Duc is quick mind]...both well sponsered and supported. and currently Rossi is left wanting. You can't argue that...ITS FACT.

But the fact that stoner fell off a couple of times last year Lost him the championship...Rossi didn't win it...Stoner lost it.

[Kiwi Graham]

Indeed he does. And as I've said...you'll never see me say Rossi is anything other than one of THE best we've ever seen. But he's not the fastest now.

How many people love Revvin Kevin? Was he not one of THE fastest we've ever seen on two wheels? Did he bin it far too often when he didn't need to? Fuck yeah! But man...was he fucking fast on the day or what! He won a single world championship...but people call im a legend! (And in my eyes he is a legend). My point is...and always will be that Stoner is THE fastest racer you or I have probably ever seen. Spies will be the next one.

Hang on a mo..............what are we talking about here???

Fastest........in a straight line?, for a couple of laps.......on his own?, in a race with others?.

Your going to have to define your statement me thinks.

Of course he's 'fast' thats why Ducati employ him.
There is a difference between a fast rider and a fast racer. I dont belive Rossie has had his day yet, when he has he'll be driving a rally car from another Japanese manufacturer.

Lets hope Stoner does step up and become a racer, cant see becoming the total package that Rossie is for his sponsers some how.

[Kendog]

Rossi didn't win it...Stoner lost it.

Hayden didn't win it...Rossi lost it.

[cowpoos]

Hayden didn't win it...Rossi lost it.
agree'd........................

[Oscar]

ummm...right. the past is a funny thing in how it happened. as in been...gone.

Stoner is faster than rossi around most race tracks period...you can't compare the past with now...its not relivent...both on factory bikes [no one else with a Duc is quick mind]...both well sponsered and supported. and currently Rossi is left wanting. You can't argue that...ITS FACT.

But the fact that stoner fell off a couple of times last year Lost him the championship...Rossi didn't win it...Stoner lost it.

Your use of the word faster is somewhat strange.
By that definition, the Jap riders that regularly got the super sticky tyres in qualifying during the 80's and 90's are superstars, but can you name one?

As we discussed earlier, you don't win World Titles in practice.
If you substitute "winner" for "faster", Rossi's yer boy.

[cowpoos]

By that definition, the Jap riders that regularly got the super sticky tyres in qualifying during the 80's and 90's are superstars, but can you name one?


are you suggesting stoner would get better tyres than Rossi?? last year??

[Two Smoker]

ummm...right. the past is a funny thing in how it happened. as in been...gone.

Stoner is faster than rossi around most race tracks period...you can't compare the past with now...its not relivent...both on factory bikes [no one else with a Duc is quick mind]...both well sponsered and supported. and currently Rossi is left wanting. You can't argue that...ITS FACT.

But the fact that stoner fell off a couple of times last year Lost him the championship...Rossi didn't win it...Stoner lost it.

That was a pretty clever post for a dumbass... Stoner regularly sets the fastest lap (which has to be done during the race). But he is still learning the racecraft needed to beat Rossi. Even Rossi has been quoted saying the Stoner is never slow, only fast...

[Oscar]

are you suggesting stoner would get better tyres than Rossi?? last year??

Um..er...no...everyone gets the same tyres this year.
Last year?
Who knows?
Stoner definitely had more horsepower.

I was talking of the one off Bridgestone last two lap qualifiers that were frequently given to Jap riders.

[James Deuce]

I dont belive Rossie has had his day yet, when he has he'll be driving a rally car from another Japanese manufacturer.



No he won't. There's no major Japanese manufacturer teams left in Rallying.

[gav]

Um..er...no...everyone gets the same tyres this year.
Last year?
Who knows?
Stoner definitely had more horsepower.

I was talking of the one off Bridgestone last two lap qualifiers that were frequently given to Jap riders.
Arent all qualifiers one off, super sticky, last two laps jobs :doh: .... and how much racing were Bridgestone doing in the 80's and 90's? They certainly werent in the MotoGP/500's then?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Um..er...no...everyone gets the same tyres this year.
Last year?
Who knows?
Stoner definitely had more horsepower.

I was talking of the one off Bridgestone last two lap qualifiers that were frequently given to Jap riders.

Hah! There ya go again mate!

Stoner had more horsepower! Really? So now that Rossi's bike is FASTER in a straight line...we can all say (if) he beats Stoner it's all down to Rossi's bike yeah?

Have you been to a GP where these guys are riding? Have you been to that many GP's over the years? Have you raced and ridden to a reasonably high level? Do you know the difference between pace and stats?

I somehow doubt it. I think you're full of shit. You're not Rossi's manfriend are you?

[Oscar]

Arent all qualifiers one off, super sticky, last two laps jobs :doh: .... and how much racing were Bridgestone doing in the 80's and 90's? They certainly werent in the MotoGP/500's then?

I seem to recall them supplying tyres to Jap 500cc riders in the late 80's.


Bridgestone began supplying tyres for motorcycle racing in the 1980s, starting with the 250cc and 500cc classes of the All Japan Championships. Tadayuki Okada won Bridgestone's first series championship in 1989. At the Suzuka Grand Prix in the 1987 season, Honda works rider Dai Kobayashi entered as a wild card in the 250cc class and took a stunning victory to give Bridgestone its first podium in a world championship motorcycle race.

[Oscar]

Hah! There ya go again mate!

Stoner had more horsepower! Really? So now that Rossi's bike is FASTER in a straight line...we can all say (if) he beats Stoner it's all down to Rossi's bike yeah?

Have you been to a GP where these guys are riding? Have you been to that many GP's over the years? Have you raced and ridden to a reasonably high level? Do you know the difference between pace and stats?

I somehow doubt it. I think you're full of shit. You're not Rossi's manfriend are you?

Jeez, you need to relax.

Yes, I've been to a GP.
Actually I've been to quite a few GP's and was pit crew for a 250GP rider in the first two Aussie GP's (1989 & 1990? I forget). I was Team Manager for a good friend, and I still have some friends in the pits. If you look closely at the tape of the first Aussie race, you can clearly see me and me mate Kev wondering around the 500 grid assembled on the track.

I have met and spoken to Mr. Stoner (and his lovely wife), however aside from asking for an autograph, I haven't spoken to Signor Rossi.



You may be taking this waaay to seriously,my friend.
To take your mind of it, how about some pit girls?

[Oscar]

More pit gurlies...

[pritch]

Arent all qualifiers one off, super sticky, last two laps jobs :doh: ....

Not any more. I'm pretty sure qualifying is done on race rubber now.

There's an interesting piece in the latest "Motocourse" about Rossi and his switch to Bridgestone.
It isn't surprising that it took him longer to adapt to a different tyre than it took him to adapt to a different bike
Haven't got time now I'm off for a few days on the bike. Bugger that wind!

[Two Smoker]

Stoner definitely had more horsepower.


Horsepower? Or better aerodynamics?

[Oscar]

Arent all qualifiers one off, super sticky, last two laps jobs :doh: ....

Yeah, but these (and I may be confused with Japanese Dunlops), were special.
Like US$2000 each special in 1990...

[Oscar]

Horsepower? Or better aerodynamics?

Pit gossip said HP.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Jeez, you need to relax.

Yes, I've been to a GP.
Actually I've been to quite a few GP's and was pit crew for a 250GP rider in the first two Aussie GP's (1989 & 1990? I forget). I was Team Manager for a good friend, and I still have some friends in the pits. If you look closely at the tape of the first Aussie race, you can clearly see me and me mate Kev wondering around the 500 grid assembled on the track.

I have met and spoken to Mr. Stoner (and his lovely wife), however aside from asking for an autograph, I haven't spoken to Signor Rossi.



You may be taking this waaay to seriously,my friend.
To take your mind of it, how about some pit girls?

haha...prefectly relaxed...and loving a wind up! Well you'll know pure speed (not the snorting kind) when you see it then! I'd have asked Mrs Stoner for an autograph personally.

I'll tell you how good I am now. I rode off on our shop XR1200 this morning with the steering lock still on. Amazing how much speed you can get up before you bin it. Beat that then.

[Oscar]

haha...prefectly relaxed...and loving a wind up! Well you'll know pure speed (not the snorting kind) when you see it then! I'd have asked Mrs Stoner for an autograph personally.

I'll tell you how good I am now. I rode off on our shop XR1200 this morning with the steering lock still on. Amazing how much speed you can get up before you bin it. Beat that then.

I once jumped on my RD400 and didn't notice the kick starter was up my (flared) jeans leg. Fell off at the next set of lights wondering why my leg was welded to the foot peg...

[Crasherfromwayback]

I once jumped on my RD400 and didn't notice the kick starter was up my (flared) jeans leg. Fell off at the next set of lights wondering why my leg was welded to the foot peg...

Not bad. But did you feel like you'd broken your left thumb and right wrist?

Cause I do! Hope like fuck I don't have to have casts on both arms...as I won't even be able to wipe my own arse! Dunno how my two female flatties will feel about having to *assist* me there.:baby:

[Crasherfromwayback]

But I found it interesting all the same!

Mladin is to me...the most underrated racer of all time. Funny if at the twilight of his career he got a Moto Gp offer eh!?

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Mar/090331spies.htm

[James Deuce]

I'll tell you how good I am now. I rode off on our shop XR1200 this morning with the steering lock still on. Amazing how much speed you can get up before you bin it. Beat that then.
Discount, discount, discount, discount.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Discount, discount, discount, discount.

Well it gets even better mate...it was an XR I collected in Picton yesterday...not our demo!

You'll still get a mate/KB price though!

[wharfy]

I once jumped on my RD400 and didn't notice the kick starter was up my (flared) jeans leg. Fell off at the next set of lights wondering why my leg was welded to the foot peg...

Ahh... yes flared jeans, make a really nice flapping sound as you motor along :clap:

[denill]

Hey Pete, you've been getting a bit of a pasting here from some quarters. Been outa town and just been catching up.

I never cease to be surprised at how many 'enthusiasts' will seek reasons why Stoner is not a bloody sensational MotoGP racer. No matter what he's achieved since getting a ride on the red machine - achieving what no other rider has achieved with that weapon.

If Stoner is not the best, he's right up there with the master. Actions speak louder than words.

Bring on April 12 - Qatar/Losail.:niceone: :niceone:

[roogazza]

Hey Pete, you've been getting a bit of a pasting here from some quarters. Been outa town and just been catching up.

If Stoner is not the best, he's right up there with the master. Actions speak louder than words. Bring on April 12 - Qatar/Losail.:niceone: :niceone:

Good to see you back Bill, bring on the first round huh?
It's only a bit of fun (the ribbing,I mean ).
Wingnut goes good at Qatar if I remember right ? But I hear the yamaha has improved too ? can't wait ! Gaz.

ps I got myself 08 motogp for the playstation a lot safer racing that way !

[denill]

It's only a bit of fun (the ribbing ). Gaz.

Yeah, I know Gaz. But it's no fun if ya don't get any bites.

Any how, as you know, I'm not biased - but my money is on the wingnut for 09. Not a bad bike and a TALENTED rider should bring it home. :niceone:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hey Pete, you've been getting a bit of a pasting here from some quarters. Been outa town and just been catching up.

I never cease to be surprised at how many 'enthusiasts' will seek reasons why Stoner is not a bloody sensational MotoGP racer. No matter what he's achieved since getting a ride on the red machine - achieving what no other rider has achieved with that weapon.

If Stoner is not the best, he's right up there with the master. Actions speak louder than words.

Bring on April 12 - Qatar/Losail.:niceone: :niceone:

Loving every minute of it!

[Sky-hi]

Does anyone know if there's any TV coverage of the qualifying on saturday Qatar time (sunday over here). I can only find the race coverage on Monday our time on sky..

[k14]

Does anyone know if there's any TV coverage of the qualifying on saturday Qatar time (sunday over here). I can only find the race coverage on Monday our time on sky..
I very much doubt it, I have never seen sky showing motogp qualifying. I can watch it with my motogp.com account however :2thumbsup

[denill]

MotoGP at Qatar is April 12 Sunday?? Not Saturday??

WSBK is Sunday April 5 – Spain / Valencia

[Sky-hi]

MotoGP at Qatar is April 12 Sunday?? Not Saturday??

WSBK is Sunday April 5 – Spain / Valencia

Qualifying for the MotoGP is on saturday their time (sunday here)

[k14]

MotoGP at Qatar is April 12 Sunday?? Not Saturday??

WSBK is Sunday April 5 – Spain / Valencia
Yes but the race is televised around 9am our time on the monday morning. Good thing to watch on the day off! Qualifying is 8am on the sunday our time.

Edit: Just checked, 125's at 0500, 250's at 0615 and motogp at 0800. Ah I love mysky.

[Sky-hi]

Yes but the race is televised around 9am our time on the monday morning. Good thing to watch on the day off! Qualifying is 8am on the sunday our time.

Yep, exactly. Just wondering if anyone knew if the qualifying was televised over here or just the race.

[denill]

MotoGP at Qatar is April 12 Sunday?? Not Saturday??


Doh. Saturday - Sunday, our time.:dodge:

[Sky-hi]

Doh. Saturday - Sunday, our time.:dodge:

ha ha.. no worries!!!

[NZsarge]

Just checked, 125's at 0500, 250's at 0615 and motogp at 0800. Ah I love mysky.

'Kin oath!

[wbks]

Is that stuff live? What channel?

[Scouse]

Sorry to thread dredge this one up again Crasher but remind me what you were going on about in your first post again?

[svr]

Sorry to thread dredge this one up againg Crasher but remind me what you were going on about in your first post again?

He was pointing out how good Stoner is e.g at Jerez where the duck is a pile of shite (as concfirmed once again by the other duck riders) he puts it on the front row and brings it home on the podium.
Pretty impressive huh!

[denill]

Sorry to thread dredge this one up againg Crasher but remind me what you were going on about in your first post again?

Crasher's big enough to fight his own fight of course, but I'd just like to mention that when Stoner first started winning - it was due to the superiority of the Ducati. (Even though the only superior one was always the one that Stoner rode?) But yeah, it was a package that certainly suited Stoner.

Today can I infer that Stoner brought home an inferior bike to his competitor's? And as almost always, his machine was so far ahead the other Ducatis. (Hayden??????) And he deserves credit for that.

The winner though was magnificent and certainly deserved to win.

What about Melandri though????????

[pritch]

Have only seen the 125s so far. Although the radio news this morning spoiled any surprise as to who won the main event.

Heard the commentators say that Honda are getting the nod for the new Moto2 class or whatever the 600s are to be called. A projected 150hp? So it probably isn't a twin :whistle:

I'll be interested to see how Kalio fares with the Ducati. My initial thoughts were that coming from the 250s his style might not suit the bike. There being an impression that a dirt background may be an advantage.

Last GP though the commentators mentioned that he had a background in ice racing. That might do it...

[Oscar]

I loved the footage of Rossi hugging Pedrosa on the podium.
Rossi should be called Dr. Mindfuck:yes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sorry to thread dredge this one up againg Crasher but remind me what you were going on about in your first post again?

Well I do believe I said Stoner is the fastest racer on earth right now. And seeing as he won the first race of the season...and Rossi only now won one...what's your point?

[Oscar]

Well I do believe I said Stoner is the fastest racer on earth right now. And seeing as he won the first race of the season...and Rossi only now won one...what's your point?

You said "...he was still faster than Rossi."

This morning he was not only slower than Rossi, but Pedrosa as well and he admitted that he couldn't of held of Gorgeous George much longer.

[denill]

You said "...he was still faster than Rossi."

This morning he was not only slower than Rossi, but Pedrosa as well and he admitted that he couldn't of held of Gorgeous George much longer.

And again - FFS..................

When he wins it's the 'great bike'.

When he doesn't he's a piss poor rider :argh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

You said "...he was still faster than Rossi."

This morning he was not only slower than Rossi, but Pedrosa as well and he admitted that he couldn't of held of Gorgeous George much longer.

Yep. And it was a massive improvement on any of his previous showings at Jerez. And seeing as he blew Rossi and everyone else away at Qatar...I'm still struggling to see your argument? I for one and impressed that Stoner seems to have realized it's better to finish and get points if you can't win rather than bin it. There's quite a few tracks coming up that he'll go well at. And considering you and others all said something along the lines of "Anyone would think Stoners won the championship already"...look who's talking like that now?

It's for sure gonna be a great season...and I stand by my original thoughts. Stoner will win it this year. If Stoner doesn't win it...you'll be right and I'll congratulate you. If he does I'm sure you'll be man enough to do likewise!

Enjoy the racing!!!

Pete

[Oscar]

Yep. And it was a massive improvement on any of his previous showings at Jerez. And seeing as he blew Rossi and everyone else away at Qatar...I'm still struggling to see your argument? I for one and impressed that Stoner seems to have realized it's better to finish and get points if you can't win rather than bin it. There's quite a few tracks coming up that he'll go well at. And considering you and others all said something along the lines of "Anyone would think Stoners won the championship already"...look who's talking like that now?

It's for sure gonna be a great season...and I stand by my original thoughts. Stoner will win it this year. If Stoner doesn't win it...you'll be right and I'll congratulate you. If he does I'm sure you'll be man enough to do likewise!

Enjoy the racing!!!

Pete

Your original comments don't make sense.

If he was still the faster rider, he'd be leading the points race.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Your original comments don't make sense.

If he was still the faster rider, he'd be leading the points race.

Why not? Is English not your first language?

[Oscar]

Why not? Is English not your first language?

English?
Why yes, it is - thank you for asking.

So in what language would "..still the faster rider." be true, then?

[Crasherfromwayback]

English?
Why yes, it is - thank you for asking.

So in what language would "..still the faster rider." be true, then?

English. Good...you do understand then! So then...you saying that because Rossi is ahead of Stoner after three rounds he's faster than Stoner yeah? I'm saying that he's not...that Stoner is a faster racer than Rossi...and will also beat him to the title this year. It was you that said in the early posts that I was counting my chickens prematurely wannit? That it was only pre season testing etc??? Well are you not now doing the same after three rounds?

So you see...I still stand by my thoughts that Stoner is faster than Rossi. As I also said...I'll be big enough to admit I got it wrong and congratulate you if I am. 14 rounds to go I believe?

Bring it on.

[denill]

English?
Why yes, it is - thank you for asking.

So in what language would "..still the faster rider." be true, then?

FFS If English is in fact your first language - logic does not feature in your list of faculties.

It is not down to the guy (or guys) himself. As I have sought to address - it's not a fucking running race - there's a machine in the equation.

That's why they say "We won". :argh: :argh:

Think about it.......................

[Oscar]

FFS If English is in fact your first language - logic does not feature in your list of faculties.

It is not down to the guy (or guys) himself. As I have sought to address - it's not a fucking running race - there's a machine in the equation.

That's why they say "We won". :argh: :argh:

Think about it.......................

Nuthin' wrong with my logic.
That's not my comment.

It's from the start of this thread, where Mr. Crasher says Stoner is still the faster rider. As you say this makes no sense at all because the only way to prove it would be to have them swap bikes on a variety of tracks under a variety of conditions.

[Oscar]

English. Good...you do understand then! So then...you saying that because Rossi is ahead of Stoner after three rounds he's faster than Stoner yeah? I'm saying that he's not...that Stoner is a faster racer than Rossi...and will also beat him to the title this year. It was you that said in the early posts that I was counting my chickens prematurely wannit? That it was only pre season testing etc??? Well are you not now doing the same after three rounds?

So you see...I still stand by my thoughts that Stoner is faster than Rossi. As I also said...I'll be big enough to admit I got it wrong and congratulate you if I am. 14 rounds to go I believe?

Bring it on.

Has Rossi ever ridden a Ducati?
Stoner a Yamaha?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Has Rossi ever ridden a Ducati?
Stoner a Yamaha?

Who cares? It would seem that the Yamaha is a shitload easier to ride and more than likely a better all round package.

As you can see for yourself...no one but Stoner can ride the Ducati fast.

I have no doubt Stoner could ride the Yamaha quickly...hell everyone can. But could Rossi ride the Ducati? We'll never know.

[johan]

It's going to be a hard task to remove all changing variables to normalise a riders performance against a binary template for an unbiased evaluation of their ability to go around a race track to be carried out.

The infinite amount of continuous changing variables during a session on a motoGP bike suggests that riding fast is a matter of how well an individual adopts to an ever evolving local environment.

There are no doubt deeper philosophical aspects as well involved.

I personally never go deeper with my thoughts on the matter than the bottom of the Sunday night's popcorn bowl, however.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Whaddya all gonna do now that Stoner is still faster than Rossi (by nearly a sec a lap no less) etc even though at the latest test he was down on top speed to the Yamahas and the Suzukis??

Oh that's right...the Ducati's electronics!! Well I would've thought that the Yamaha and the Suzuki's electronics must now be pretty good too. The top speeds of them is probably dictated by them be able to get on the gas good and early. Drive out of corners = good top speed!

You might all have to finally accept he's a true weapon eh??


Do they give out a trophy for practice times?:whistle:


Your original comments don't make sense.

If he was still the faster rider, he'd be leading the points race.

It would appear to me...revisiting my first post...that I never claimed he'd won the title?? Do they hand out trophys for being in front after three rounds though mate?:whistle:

[codgyoleracer]

And again - FFS..................

When he wins it's the 'great bike'.

When he doesn't he's a piss poor rider :argh:

I'me coming around to the idea that this young whipa-snappa from Aussie can ride a bit.............. :-) , But are the personality issues i keep hearing true Denill ? , & is this undermining some support ?

The "Old-Dog" tricks of Rossi will run out eventually aye, His on camera & PR skills hold him in good stead in the public & journos eyes as well.

May they both fight it out "man to man" on the track & may we all get to enjoy !
Glen

[Oscar]

Who cares? It would seem that the Yamaha is a shitload easier to ride and more than likely a better all round package.

As you can see for yourself...no one but Stoner can ride the Ducati fast.

I have no doubt Stoner could ride the Yamaha quickly...hell everyone can. But could Rossi ride the Ducati? We'll never know.

No one can ride the DUcati but Stoner?
I seem to recall other riders winning on it.

You've actually proved my point - until we see Rossi su Rossi (Rossi on Red) you can't say Stoner is the fastest.

[Oscar]

It would appear to me...revisiting my first post...that I never claimed he'd won the title?? Do they hand out trophys for being in front after three rounds though mate?:whistle:

Nowt to do with the title.
It's to do with the use of the word "fastest".

[Crasherfromwayback]

No one can ride the DUcati but Stoner?
I seem to recall other riders winning on it.

You've actually proved my point - until we see Rossi su Rossi (Rossi on Red) you can't say Stoner is the fastest.


Nowt to do with the title.
It's to do with the use of the word "fastest".

Now you're really clutching at straws mate. According to you Rossi must be faster cause he's in front right now yeah? But you also have said if I'm not wrong that Rossi won the title last year so is faster? So make up your fucking mind! What will it be? So when I originally said Stoner was faster because he WAS a sec a lap quicker at that test...was I WRONG? Because Stoner beat Rossi at Qatar was I wrong? When Stoner was 2 sec a lap quicker in the wet at Montegi was he the fastest in the wet? So now...by your own admission...we'll have to see who wins the title. THAT'S how you originally said it could be judged was it not?

[denill]

But are the personality issues i keep hearing true Denill ? , & is this undermining some support ?

What personality issues are those Glen?? News to me????

[codgyoleracer]

From three sources close to me (two of which experienced meeting with & talking to Stoner in person), - that he is , umm eeerr well whats a nice way to say it .......... "A very confident young man........" :-).
To be honest though i dont really care , - all that i know is that i would probably act / react any way i could to achieve the mind-set required to meet my goals.
We are all different aye.

[k14]

No one can ride the DUcati but Stoner?
I seem to recall other riders winning on it.

You've actually proved my point - until we see Rossi su Rossi (Rossi on Red) you can't say Stoner is the fastest.
That is grasping at straws. Capirossi won in a rain interrupted race at Motegi where it was a complete jackpot as to who pitted at the right time. I can't see how anyone can argue that the duke is an easy bike to ride, iirc the only person that has been on podium since capirossi won was elias at brno last year when all the michelin runners were nowhere.

But can you say rossi is the fastest either?

[roogazza]

FFS If English is in fact your first language - logic does not feature in your list of faculties.

It is not down to the guy (or guys) himself. As I have sought to address - it's not a fucking running race - there's a machine in the equation.

That's why they say "We won". :argh: :argh:

Think about it.......................

I must admit Bill , when Rossi came up on Stoner I thought now this will be interesting (I wasn't sure). But when he got in behind the Mexican I was fairly confident he'd take that fight. But hey, its only armchair stuff.
Nice to see Melandri and the Kawa doing well. Tough for Jorge.

I'm happy, two 2nds and a 1st........ Gaz.

[denill]

I must admit Bill , when Rossi came up on Stoner I thought now this will be interesting (I wasn't sure). But when he got in behind the Mexican I was fairly confident he'd take that fight. But hey, its only armchair stuff.
Nice to see Melandri and the Kawa doing well. Tough for Jorge.

I'm happy, two 2nds and a 1st........ Gaz.

Yeah Gaz, me too. When Rossi came up on to Stoner's back wheel I sat back in the armchair to enjoy the arm wrestle - not so though.

But hey it's been great with more than just two riders in the big picture.

Melandri?? Fucked if I know?? Is that the proof that the Duke is really a pig??

[denill]

From three sources close to me (two of which experienced meeting with & talking to Stoner in person), - that he is , umm eeerr well whats a nice way to say it .......... "A very confident young man........" :-).
To be honest though i dont really care , - all that i know is that i would probably act / react any way i could to achieve the mind-set required to meet my goals.
We are all different aye.

So is it said that he's a bit toooo cocky??

If so I'm sure you would agree that in his occupation, to be cocky is high on the list of desirable criteria. To be VERY cocky is even better.

Or did I read your message wrong?

[Oscar]

That is grasping at straws. Capirossi won in a rain interrupted race at Motegi where it was a complete jackpot as to who pitted at the right time. I can't see how anyone can argue that the duke is an easy bike to ride, iirc the only person that has been on podium since capirossi won was elias at brno last year when all the michelin runners were nowhere.

But can you say rossi is the fastest either?


I never said anyone is the fastest.
I said Rossi was the winning-est, and that it is impossible to use the word 'fastest" until they've swapped bikes.

[Oscar]

Now you're really clutching at straws mate. According to you Rossi must be faster cause he's in front right now yeah? But you also have said if I'm not wrong that Rossi won the title last year so is faster? So make up your fucking mind! What will it be? So when I originally said Stoner was faster because he WAS a sec a lap quicker at that test...was I WRONG? Because Stoner beat Rossi at Qatar was I wrong? When Stoner was 2 sec a lap quicker in the wet at Montegi was he the fastest in the wet? So now...by your own admission...we'll have to see who wins the title. THAT'S how you originally said it could be judged was it not?

You're the only one saying anyone is faster.
Maybe you should increase/lower the dosage.

[Oscar]

All this Rossi / Stoner stuff may be a laugh, but we may be forgetting Senor Pedrosa.

He's still riding in some discomfort, and is acquitting himself very well.
I saw him win in Barcelona last year, and he just pissed off from Rossi and Stoner. He is also not as receptive to Rossi's mind games...

[codgyoleracer]

So is it said that he's a bit toooo cocky??

If so I'm sure you would agree that in his occupation, to be cocky is high on the list of desirable criteria. To be VERY cocky is even better.

Or did I read your message wrong?

Nope i agree, To ride those things at those speeds takes something very special & both of these guys seem to do it "their own way".
Wayne Rainy was a very different character/person to Kevin Scwantz - yet both of them were stinkin quick as well.

Getting back to whos the fastest - well its obvious....... :-)

[Crasherfromwayback]

You're the only one saying anyone is faster.
Maybe you should increase/lower the dosage.

I don't agree with you there either mate! Seems a LOT of people here have an opinion on who's the fastest. And that's great. Been a good thread as far as I'm concerned.

Seems to me you simply back track and change your tune when it's pointed out to you you're doing it.

Oh and my dosage? I vary it according to the amount of bullshit I have to read.

[White trash]

I don't agree with you there either mate! Seems a LOT of people here have an opinion on who's the fastest. And that's great. Been a good thread as far as I'm concerned.

Seems to me you simply back track and change your tune when it's pointed out to you you're doing it.

Oh and my dosage? I vary it according to the amount of bullshit I have to read.
Fucken siftaahhhh!!!!!!!!!!

[Scouse]

Well I do believe I said Stoner is the fastest racer on earth right now. And seeing as he won the first race of the season...and Rossi only now won one...what's your point?Just trying to get a bite Pete looks like it worked. Wot you said to Oscar yep I'll give you a pat on the back and say I was wrong if Stoner wins this year

Steve

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fucken siftaahhhh!!!!!!!!!!

Fully qualified Sifter at that thanks mate!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just trying to get a bite Pete looks like it worked. Wot you said to Oscar yep I'll give you a pat on the back and say I was wrong if Stoner wins this year

Steve

I just had to come back and stir things up some more when I saw you'd summoned me!

Tell ya what...I can't wait for Laguna Seca round two after last years race there!!

[Scouse]

Yep. And it was a massive improvement on any of his previous showings at Jerez. And seeing as he blew Rossi and everyone else away at Qatar...I'm still struggling to see your argument? I for one and impressed that Stoner seems to have realized it's better to finish and get points if you can't win rather than bin it. There's quite a few tracks coming up that he'll go well at. And considering you and others all said something along the lines of "Anyone would think Stoners won the championship already"...look who's talking like that now?

It's for sure gonna be a great season...and I stand by my original thoughts. Stoner will win it this year. If Stoner doesn't win it...you'll be right and I'll congratulate you. If he does I'm sure you'll be man enough to do likewise!

Enjoy the racing!!!

Pete


Your original comments don't make sense.

If he was still the faster rider, he'd be leading the points race.


Why not? Is English not your first language?


English?
Why yes, it is - thank you for asking.

So in what language would "..still the faster rider." be true, then?


English. Good...you do understand then! So then...you saying that because Rossi is ahead of Stoner after three rounds he's faster than Stoner yeah? I'm saying that he's not...that Stoner is a faster racer than Rossi...and will also beat him to the title this year. It was you that said in the early posts that I was counting my chickens prematurely wannit? That it was only pre season testing etc??? Well are you not now doing the same after three rounds?

So you see...I still stand by my thoughts that Stoner is faster than Rossi. As I also said...I'll be big enough to admit I got it wrong and congratulate you if I am. 14 rounds to go I believe?

Bring it on.


Nuthin' wrong with my logic.
That's not my comment.

It's from the start of this thread, where Mr. Crasher says Stoner is still the faster rider. As you say this makes no sense at all because the only way to prove it would be to have them swap bikes on a variety of tracks under a variety of conditions.


Has Rossi ever ridden a Ducati?
Stoner a Yamaha?


Who cares? It would seem that the Yamaha is a shitload easier to ride and more than likely a better all round package.

As you can see for yourself...no one but Stoner can ride the Ducati fast.

I have no doubt Stoner could ride the Yamaha quickly...hell everyone can. But could Rossi ride the Ducati? We'll never know.


It would appear to me...revisiting my first post...that I never claimed he'd won the title?? Do they hand out trophys for being in front after three rounds though mate?:whistle:


No one can ride the DUcati but Stoner?
I seem to recall other riders winning on it.

You've actually proved my point - until we see Rossi su Rossi (Rossi on Red) you can't say Stoner is the fastest.


Nowt to do with the title.
It's to do with the use of the word "fastest".


Now you're really clutching at straws mate. According to you Rossi must be faster cause he's in front right now yeah? But you also have said if I'm not wrong that Rossi won the title last year so is faster? So make up your fucking mind! What will it be? So when I originally said Stoner was faster because he WAS a sec a lap quicker at that test...was I WRONG? Because Stoner beat Rossi at Qatar was I wrong? When Stoner was 2 sec a lap quicker in the wet at Montegi was he the fastest in the wet? So now...by your own admission...we'll have to see who wins the title. THAT'S how you originally said it could be judged was it not?


I never said anyone is the fastest.
I said Rossi was the winning-est, and that it is impossible to use the word 'fastest" until they've swapped bikes.


You're the only one saying anyone is faster.
Maybe you should increase/lower the dosage.


All this Rossi / Stoner stuff may be a laugh, but we may be forgetting Senor Pedrosa.

He's still riding in some discomfort, and is acquitting himself very well.
I saw him win in Barcelona last year, and he just pissed off from Rossi and Stoner. He is also not as receptive to Rossi's mind games...


I don't agree with you there either mate! Seems a LOT of people here have an opinion on who's the fastest. And that's great. Been a good thread as far as I'm concerned.

Seems to me you simply back track and change your tune when it's pointed out to you you're doing it.

Oh and my dosage? I vary it according to the amount of bullshit I have to read.Jeez If I knew I was going to start World war three I never would have dredged this back up.

Go Rossi

[Badjelly]

Jeez If I knew I was going to start World war three I never would have dredged this back up.

:jerry::jerry:

[Oscar]

I don't agree with you there either mate! Seems a LOT of people here have an opinion on who's the fastest. And that's great. Been a good thread as far as I'm concerned.

Seems to me you simply back track and change your tune when it's pointed out to you you're doing it.

Oh and my dosage? I vary it according to the amount of bullshit I have to read.


The bites on this forum are so good I might give up fishing in the sea at this rate.

/Back to the handbags...

Where have I changed my tune?
You're the only person that has said someone in MotoGP is faster or fastest (whatever the hell that means).
My response has always been that you can be as fast as you like, but its races and championships that counts.

[Crasherfromwayback]

By that definition, I'm in no doubt Stoner is fast, and may be the fastest on his day.


The bites on this forum are so good I might give up fishing in the sea at this rate.

/Back to the handbags...

Where have I changed my tune?
You're the only person that has said someone in MotoGP is faster or fastest (whatever the hell that means).


So you don't change your tune or talk shit now and then? At the top we have...wait on...you understanding and shock horror...even agreeing that Stoner may be fast...or even the fastest.

Then with your latest 'post'...you don't understand? LIke I said...make up ya fucking mind!!

Me? All I've ever said is that I (and yes it's only my opinion) reckon Stoner is THE fastest racer on the planet. Not the 'winningest' The fastest. I'm sticking with it.

[denill]

Nuthin' wrong with my logic.
That's not my comment
It's from the start of this thread, where Mr. Crasher says Stoner is still the faster rider. As you say this makes no sense at all because the only way to prove it would be to have them swap bikes on a variety of tracks under a variety of conditions.

You've changed tack a bit mate.......... You said:


This morning he was not only slower than Rossi, but Pedrosa as well and he admitted that he couldn't of held of Gorgeous George much longer.

You have to make up your mind. In saying that you are subscribing to the theory that it's the 'rider' not the 'package'.

[Badjelly]

Me? All I've ever said is that I (and yes it's only my opinion) reckon Stoner is THE fastest racer on the planet. Not the 'winningest' The fastest. I'm sticking with it.

Well, he did win the fastest-qualifier award last year.

As did Gibernau in 2005.

[Oscar]

So you don't change your tune or talk shit now and then? At the top we have...wait on...you understanding and shock horror...even agreeing that Stoner may be fast...or even the fastest.

Then with your latest 'post'...you don't understand? LIke I said...make up ya fucking mind!!

Me? All I've ever said is that I (and yes it's only my opinion) reckon Stoner is THE fastest racer on the planet. Not the 'winningest' The fastest. I'm sticking with it.

I talk shit all the time...:woohoo:

Maybe you should go back and read the thread, I haven't changed anything.

And as for the "fastest", what the hell does that mean?
Why does the "fastest racer on the planet" come third?:whistle:

Doesn't he get excited...:crazy:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Why does the "fastest racer on the planet" come third?:whistle:

Doesn't he get excited...:crazy:

Cause he's learnt to ride for points and bring it home so he can win another title!

[Oscar]

You've changed tack a bit mate.......... You said:



You have to make up your mind. In saying that you are subscribing to the theory that it's the 'rider' not the 'package'.

I haven't changed anything and I don't need to make up my mind.
I'm not the one saying "such and such is faster". That's just opinion - there's no way you can prove that in the real world. I did say that the only way to solve it was to have them back to back on the same bike, which is unlikely to happen. In that (dream) scenario if would certainly be the rider. In the real world it's the package.

The point is that "fastest" is irrelevant - it's who's the most consistent, and to certain extent, who has the luck.

[Oscar]

Cause he's learnt to ride for points and bring it home so he can win another title!

True, Mr Stoner has grown up a lot lately.
I was impressed by what he said in the press conference afterward about being prepared to give up a place to George rather than push his front tyre to the max..

[NZsarge]

It's going to be a hard task to remove all changing variables to normalise a riders performance against a binary template for an unbiased evaluation of their ability to go around a race track to be carried out.

The infinite amount of continuous changing variables during a session on a motoGP bike suggests that riding fast is a matter of how well an individual adopts to an ever evolving local environment.

There are no doubt deeper philosophical aspects as well involved.

I personally never go deeper with my thoughts on the matter than the bottom of the Sunday night's popcorn bowl, however.

Well said and very true.

[denill]

I haven't changed anything and I don't need to make up my mind.
I'm not the one saying "such and such is faster". That's just opinion - there's no way you can prove that in the real world. I did say that the only way to solve it was to have them back to back on the same bike, which is unlikely to happen. In that (dream) scenario if would certainly be the rider. In the real world it's the package.

The point is that "fastest" is irrelevant - it's who's the most consistent, and to certain extent, who has the luck.

Bet you've NEVER lost an argument Oscar.

You just deny what you say when it suits.

So you never said:

This morning he was not only slower than Rossi, but Pedrosa as well and he admitted that he couldn't of held of Gorgeous George much longer.

:argh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

True, Mr Stoner has grown up a lot lately.
I was impressed by what he said in the press conference afterward about being prepared to give up a place to George rather than push his front tyre to the max..

Like I say...no matter if anyone's a Stoner-Lorenzo-Rossi-Pedrosa etc etc fan...it's gonna be one hell of a season I reckon.

[Scouse]

Like I say...no matter if anyone's a Stoner-Lorenzo-Rossi-Pedrosa etc etc fan...it's gonna be one hell of a season I reckon.True dat

I thought that Rossi gave whore Gay, Stoner and Pedrosa a bit of a learn last night though by the way he passed each one slowly but steadily and gapped them.

[Oscar]

Bet you've NEVER lost an argument Oscar.

You just deny what you say when it suits.

So you never said:


:argh:

I lose them with Herindoors all the time.
However, in this case I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

I have not said anywhere in this thread that any rider is fastest.
The comment you copied was merely pointing out that "the fastest rider on the planet" had come third. Is that not true?

[svr]

John Kocinski after getting 2nd in an SBK race:
"He didn't beat me - I beat him good. It's his bike I had a problem with"

[wharfy]

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback
As you can see for yourself...no one but Stoner can ride the Ducati fast.

I have no doubt Stoner could ride the Yamaha quickly...hell everyone can. But could Rossi ride the Ducati? We'll never know.

We may never know BUT Rossi managed to win the world championship on one of those wicked 500cc two strokes - and my understanding is they were REALLY HARD to ride.

He made the transition from 500 2ST -> 900/800 4ST, Honda -> Yamaha

[svr]

We may never know BUT Rossi managed to win the world championship on one of those wicked 500cc two strokes - and my understanding is they were REALLY HARD to ride.


So is Stoners' bike - ask anyone else that's ridden it.

The issue aint to deny that Rossi is probably the greatest, it's more to give Stoner due credit. And to kick Stoner knockers in the goolies as and when required :bash:

[Crasherfromwayback]

So is Stoners' bike - ask anyone else that's ridden it.

The issue aint to deny that Rossi is probably the greatest, it's more to give Stoner due credit. And to kick Stoner knockers in the goolies as and when required :bash:

What he said!

[eelracing]

Nah at the end of the day this thread is about who is the fastest???

Agostini or Hailwood...one won more championships and GP's but it don't make him the fastest.

Freddie or Eddie...as above

Rainey or Schwantz...as above 'cept for wins

Rossi or ???? no one has consistantly challenged him until now.

We are blessed to be witness to the current Championship battle taking place.Not since late 80's early 90's has the GP grid been packed with potential race winners.Enjoy it.

Does'nt matter anyway as Doohan woulda whipped all of em.:whistle:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Does'nt matter anyway as Doohan woulda whipped all of em.:whistle:

He certainly was one of the hardest cunts the sport has ever seen! Mashed leg...what mashed leg??!! Fuck it...I'll just move the rear brake lever to my handlebar...

[Crasherfromwayback]

And as for the "fastest", what the hell does that mean?


Well this guy seems to understand the fastest thing...

MARTIN RAINES

MotoGP Official Statistician


Maybe the fastest rider I've ever seen on a bike was the American Freddie Spencer. And the greatest single feat that I've seen was when Spencer won the 250cc and 500cc world championships in the same season in 1985.



So you see Oscar...it is TOTALLY ok and even quite NORMAL to have an opinion on who you think the FASTEST racer you've ever seen on a motorcycle may be. I've been to plenty of GP's over the last 18 odd years...and I've personally NEVER seen the sort of speed I've seen Stoner show us. Ben Spies looks nearly as fast to me too. Looking forward to seeing him on a GP next year!!

Tell you something else for nothing...I've raced against a lot of fast guys too...and THE FASTEST guy I've ever locked horns with is Bruce Ainstey.

Fastest...it's really not that hard to get your head round if you try.

[Scouse]

What about Bradly Smith on the 125 how do you win by 17 seconds on a 125?

[Badjelly]

I've been to plenty of GP's over the last 18 odd years...and I've personally NEVER seen the sort of speed I've seen Stoner show us. Ben Spies looks nearly as fast to me too. Looking forward to seeing him on a GP next year!!

How can you tell? What are you looking for?

At Phillip Island last year, observing from various places around the track during the practice sessions, I couldn't always tell whether a red Ducati going past was ridden by Stoner or Melandri, except by reading the numbers. (It wasn't so hard during the race, as Stoner was at the front and Melandri was at the back.) On occasions I thought I could see that one rider looked fast where another rider looked slower, but I was probably just basing this on who I thought the rider was.

So again, how can you tell who's fast?

[Shaun]

How can you tell? What are you looking for?

At Phillip Island last year, observing from various places around the track during the practice sessions, I couldn't always tell whether a red Ducati going past was ridden by Stoner or Melandri, except by reading the numbers. (It wasn't so hard during the race, as Stoner was at the front and Melandri was at the back.) On occasions I thought I could see that one rider looked fast where another rider looked slower, but I was probably just basing this on who I thought the rider was.

So again, how can you tell who's fast?


Crasherfromwayback Has a LOT bof personell riding/racing experience- Perhaps that is where his insight into who does and does not have it comes from?

[Crasherfromwayback]

How can you tell? What are you looking for?

At Phillip Island last year, observing from various places around the track during the practice sessions, I couldn't always tell whether a red Ducati going past was ridden by Stoner or Melandri, except by reading the numbers. (It wasn't so hard during the race, as Stoner was at the front and Melandri was at the back.) On occasions I thought I could see that one rider looked fast where another rider looked slower, but I was probably just basing this on who I thought the rider was.

So again, how can you tell who's fast?

Don't mean to be nasty or smart...but if you can't tell the difference between two racers...one 3.2 secs a lap slower than the other...you need glasses.

It's pretty easy to spot.

http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics/2008/AUS/MotoGP/QP

[Peter Smith]

[QUOTE
The issue aint to deny that Rossi is probably the greatest, it's more to give Stoner due credit. And to kick Stoner knockers in the goolies as and when required :bash:[/QUOTE]

I couldn't agree more.
Stoner is the best thing that could have happened to GP racing, just look at all the bull s**t in this thread.:wacko: Stoner has bucket loads of talent and raw ability. Just look at the quality of the other riders that have tried to tame the 800 Duke.
Nicky Hayden told his brother "what ever they are paying Casey it's not enough."
Stoner is not as popular as Rossi because;
1- He is just a young wipper snapper
2- He is an Aussie (this is a real hard one to get past)
3- He is not Rossi.

This is going to be one great season!!!!

[Shaun]

Stoner is evey thing Doohan or Gardener ever were


And has an hilarrious name WOOPS

[denill]

[QUOTE
The issue aint to deny that Rossi is probably the greatest, it's more to give Stoner due credit. And to kick Stoner knockers in the goolies as and when required :bash:

Stoner is the best thing that could have happened to GP racing, just look at all the bull s**t in this thread.:wacko: Stoner has bucket loads of talent and raw ability. Just look at the quality of the other riders that have tried to tame the 800 Duke.
Nicky Hayden told his brother "what ever they are paying Casey it's not enough."
Stoner is not as popular as Rossi because;
1- He is just a young wipper snapper
2- He is an Aussie (this is a real hard one to get past)
3- He is not Rossi.

This is going to be one great season!!!!

Have to agree totally with Pete's summation :yes: :yes:

[Grahameeboy]

What about Bradly Smith on the 125 how do you win by 17 seconds on a 125?

Mmmm..you go faster........isn't he only like 15 or 16..

[Oscar]

Mmmm..you go faster........isn't he only like 15 or 16..

What about the German boy Folger?

15 years old, completely cocks up 125cc qualifying, so has to start 34th on the grid.

Falls off with two laps to go in fourth position!

Worth keeping an eye on.

[svr]

Nah at the end of the day this thread is about who is the fastest???

Does'nt matter anyway as Doohan woulda whipped all of em.:whistle:

Didn't mention Rainey - who used to dust Doohan and actually lapped him a few times early on ....

[Shaun]

Didn't mention Rainey - who used to dust Doohan and actually lapped him a few times early on ....



No I didn't as he is an American NOT an Aussie:Oops:

If I was to use an older USA as an example of real pure talent

I would choose Eddie Lawson first Rainey then Spenser

[Oscar]

No I didn't as he is an American NOT an Aussie:Oops:

If I was to use an older USA as an example of real pure talent

I would choose Eddie Lawson first Rainey then Spenser

What about Kenny Roberts?

[scrivy]

Sorry mate, I'd have to choose Schwantz.....

But then again, I'll always stick up for my mates!!!


:rofl:

[Scouse]

Sorry mate, I'd have to choose Schwantz.....

But then again, I'll always stick up for my mates!!!


:rofl:Fookin name dropper

[rachprice]

haha I was going to say the same!!
still if that was me I probably would too :whistle:

Loving the entertainment factor of this thread!

[scrivy]

haha I was going to say the same!!
still if that was me I probably would too :whistle:

Loving the entertainment factor of this thread!

There are always thread hi-jackers...... :whistle:

[Shaun]

What about Kenny Roberts?




Fantastic, but still 4th on my rider list

[Shaun]

There are always thread hi-jackers...... :whistle:


Always stick what up ya mates?

[scrivy]

Sorry mate, I'd have to choose Schwantz.....

But then again, I'll always stick up for my mates!!!


:rofl:

I was gunna say Randy Mamola too, but he never came around to my BBQ last week, so he's gone down my list!!

Randy, if you're reading this, I will invite you again some time, so don't stress mate!! I'll even shout the beers mate............ ;)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Lightning fast even...

And 27-year-old Hayden told MCN: “I’m no genius but I realise the rider makes a big difference and people don’t want to give him (Stoner) credit, but everybody knows he’s getting the most out of the bike.

"And he was on the verge of that with the Honda on the 990. He just didn’t stay on every time but there were times when he was lightning fast, so for sure he’s due for some credit.

"He’s a bad boy and his speed on the Ducati is pretty amazing and there’s no doubt he’s going to be fighting at the front at every race.”

[denill]

What about Bradly Smith on the 125 how do you win by 17 seconds on a 125?

Bradley Smith? His team gave him a bloody great bike - and he did magnificently on it. It was a delight to watch him clean up. Not many 125 races are won like that :yes: :yes:

[Badjelly]

Lightning fast even...

And 27-year-old Hayden told MCN: “I’m no genius but I realise the rider makes a big difference and people don’t want to give him (Stoner) credit, but everybody knows he’s getting the most out of the bike.

"And he was on the verge of that with the Honda on the 990. He just didn’t stay on every time but there were times when he was lightning fast, so for sure he’s due for some credit.

"He’s a bad boy and his speed on the Ducati is pretty amazing and there’s no doubt he’s going to be fighting at the front at every race.”

Pffft, what would he know?

[Badjelly]

What about Bradly Smith on the 125 how do you win by 17 seconds on a 125?


Mmmm..you go faster........isn't he only like 15 or 16..

He used to be (as did I) but he's been in 125s for a few years now and is currently 18 (born 28 Nov 1990 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Smith_(motorcyclist))). Mind you he still looks 15.

He's been one of the fast boys in qualifying for a while, with several poles, but this is his first race win. Good on him.

[eelracing]

Didn't mention Rainey - who used to dust Doohan and actually lapped him a few times early on ....

"Used to" is a very apt description in this case coz in 92 Doohan and the big bang honda were kicking everyones butt.Maybe this is one way to explain Stoner being the only one to tame the Ducati to date.

When Mick first arrived on the GP scene noted scribes described him as "dead by june Doohan" coz he crashed his brains out (sound familiar?)So much so that Mick admitted that he did'nt want to get up in the morning as he had to get on the then wayward NSR.
Until Honda built the bike around him and his unique style...more frontend weight and bigbang to control the power etc.He was then untouchable,even causing Rainey to hurt himself trying to keep in touch.

Maybe Casey and the Ducati being designed around his style and talent are just such an unbeatable combo???

[NZsarge]

Maybe Casey and the Ducati being designed around his style

Precisely



:corn:

[Oscar]

"Used to" is a very apt description in this case coz in 92 Doohan and the big bang honda were kicking everyones butt.Maybe this is one way to explain Stoner being the only one to tame the Ducati to date.

When Mick first arrived on the GP scene noted scribes described him as "dead by june Doohan" coz he crashed his brains out (sound familiar?)So much so that Mick admitted that he did'nt want to get up in the morning as he had to get on the then wayward NSR.
Until Honda built the bike around him and his unique style...more frontend weight and bigbang to control the power etc.He was then untouchable,even causing Rainey to hurt himself trying to keep in touch.

Maybe Casey and the Ducati being designed around his style and talent are just such an unbeatable combo???

As the 800cc Honda was designed around Pedrosa (just ask Hayden).
Having seen what Stoner can do on a Ducati that is unable to be tamed by others, I'd like to see him on a Yamaha or Honda. At his age, there is no doubt we will at some point in the future.

There was a rumour that Doohan got bored with the big bang engine in his last season and had Honda tune it as a "screamer" to give him a challenge (God knows the other riders weren't challenging him).

[roogazza]

As the 800cc Honda was designed around Pedrosa (just ask Hayden).
Having seen what Stoner can do on a Ducati that is unable to be tamed by others, I'd like to see him on a Yamaha or Honda. At his age, there is no doubt we will at some point in the future.

There was a rumour that Doohan got bored with the big bang engine in his last season and had Honda tune it as a "screamer" to give him a challenge (God knows the other riders weren't challenging him).

Yes Oscar, I read at the time Doohan preferred the "Screamer" and that others found it harder to ride. Similar situation to Stoner and the Duc really ?
The screamer had advantages if you were good enough to use it, of which, Doohan certainly was.
On the 'fastest debate, I'm reading 100 years of the TT at present. Hailwood , now there was a talent.
(I had the pleasure of getting pissed with him once, what an honour lol).Gaz.

[Crasherfromwayback]

(I had the pleasure of getting pissed with him once, what an honour lol).Gaz.

It's not what we're drinking...

[Oscar]

Yes Oscar, I read at the time Doohan preferred the "Screamer" and that others found it harder to ride. Similar situation to Stoner and the Duc really ?
The screamer had advantages if you were good enough to use it, of which, Doohan certainly was.
On the 'fastest debate, I'm reading 100 years of the TT at present. Hailwood , now there was a talent.
(I had the pleasure of getting pissed with him once, what an honour lol).Gaz.

I pissed off Biaggi once, but I don't think that's a very exclusive club.

[wharfy]

I pissed off Biaggi once, but I don't think that's a very exclusive club.

Is there a story here ?

[Badjelly]

Maybe Casey and the Ducati being designed around his style and talent...

I heard Melandri grumbling about this last year in an interview. I don't know what he expected Ducati to do. "Design your bike around me and I will finish 15th instead of 16th!"

[Oscar]

Is there a story here ?

Not really - I was given a tour of the Yamaha pit in Aussie a few years back and I walked between Max and the monitor he was staring at.
My friend was Abe's Crew Chief, and had earned the ire of Max for some reason. Max was watching 250 qualifying whilst his manager signed Max's autograph on Marlborough Hats.

[discotex]

I heard Melandri grumbling about this last year in an interview. I don't know what he expected Ducati to do. "Design your bike around me and I will finish 15th instead of 16th!"

What's with this myth that the Duc was designed for Stoner?

As I understand it the longer carbon swingarm for this year is the first time they've done something specifically for Stoner (to help tame the bike down ironically).

[Badjelly]

What's with this myth that the Duc was designed for Stoner?

Well it does seem to suit him.

As I recall, Melandri at Phillip Island last year said that he was unhappy that Ducati had been unwilling to change the bike to suit him. Mind you: a) he would say that near the end of such an unsuccessful season; b) that's not quite the same as saying the bike was designed for Stoner.

[denill]

As I recall, Melandri at Phillip Island last year said that he was unhappy that Ducati had been unwilling to change the bike to suit him. Mind you: a) he would say that near the end of such an unsuccessful season; b) that's not quite the same as saying the bike was designed for Stoner.

Melandri? Very much a conundrum and what you say may have a point.

On the Ducati he was SHIT.

Now, on a botched up Kawasaki (Which was a piece of shit, no matter who rode it, in spite of the factory backing it had up till this year.) he gets some stunning results?????

It's the sort of stuff that makes MotoGP soooooo interesting.:yes::yes:

[madkeenandy]

What about Bradly Smith on the 125 how do you win by 17 seconds on a 125?

when every one else is two seconds off the pace except for julian simon who crashed

[codgyoleracer]

Melandri? Very much a conundrum and what you say may have a point.

On the Ducati he was SHIT.

Now, on a botched up Kawasaki (Which was a piece of shit, no matter who rode it, in spite of the factory backing it had up till this year.) he gets some stunning results?????

It's the sort of stuff that makes MotoGP soooooo interesting.:yes::yes:

I wonder if the standardised rubber has moved things a bit closer for the Green meanies ?

[denill]

when every one else is two seconds off the pace except for julian simon who crashed

So like I said before - his team gave him an bloody GOOD bike. 125s just don't clear off like that....................... :2thumbsup

[James Deuce]

To add insult to injury, Mr Smith was saying in his blog that he nearly crashed toward the end of the race and the bike developed a misfire in 5th from that point on, so he was riding around an issue or two.

17 seconds is mammoth in any class of motorsport, but a margin like that in 125GP is legendary!

[Brian d marge]

Melandri? Very much a conundrum and what you say may have a point.

On the Ducati he was SHIT.

Now, on a botched up Kawasaki (Which was a piece of shit, no matter who rode it, in spite of the factory backing it had up till this year.) he gets some stunning results?????

It's the sort of stuff that makes MotoGP soooooo interesting.:yes::yes:

The bbc comentarty was good, One thing when you dont use a frame ( ducati ) the stresses go through the crankshaft ( unless they move the load path ?) and because the stresses go through the crankcase , the case needs to be stronger ,,,interesting

also on a more seriuos note ................... TITIES :2thumbsup


Stephen

[Crasherfromwayback]

The bbc comentarty was good, One thing when you dont use a frame ( ducati ) the stresses go through the crankshaft ( unless they move the load path ?) and because the stresses go through the crankcase , the case needs to be stronger ,,,interesting

also on a more seriuos note ................... TITIES :2thumbsup


Stephen

Interesting post...but the 'titties'? Pancakes more like!

[Brian d marge]

Interesting post...but the 'titties'? Pancakes more like!

well they are concidered HUUUUGWE here

Stephen

[pritch]

I'd like to see him on a Yamaha or Honda.

He was on a Honda RC211V in 2006, busily depleting the worlds supplies of carbon fibre.

What a difference a year makes.

I liked his comment that previously when he told the mechanics what was happening and what he wanted they just looked at him with disbelief then largely ignored him.

When he went to Ducati they told him they would back him and when he told the mechanics what he wanted they did it without question

[vifferman]

Melandri? Very much a conundrum and what you say may have a point.

On the Ducati he was SHIT.

Now, on a botched up Kawasaki (Which was a piece of shit, no matter who rode it, in spite of the factory backing it had up till this year.) he gets some stunning results?????


I wonder if the standardised rubber has moved things a bit closer for the Green meanies ?

I think the tyres may have something to do with it, but you must recall that Melandri was very good, before he went to Ducati. It seems that virtually no-one (not Capirossi, Melandri, or Haystack) apart from Stoner can tame the beast.
I often thought it would have been VERY interesting if instead of Rossi going to to Yamaha, he'd gone to Ducati (back then Ducato wasn't doing so well). The Italian fans would've been in absolute heaven.


The bbc comentarty was good, One thing when you dont use a frame ( ducati ) the stresses go through the crankshaft ( unless they move the load path ?) and because the stresses go through the crankcase , the case needs to be stronger
Hmmmm....
That IS interesting.
Apparently, on the VTR1000 (which uses the engine as a stressed part of the frame), the cases disintegrate at a mere 125hp or thereabouts.
The VFR cases must be stronger, because there's a guy in Mrka who's developed a Rotrex-based kit for them, and it churns out around 160hp, with unmodified engine internals and cases. He's had more than 2 years of running the thing with no problems at all.

[Scouse]

Hmm time to dredge this up again as a little Scouse waits for Valentino to Kick arse again in the morning. I will be glued to the TV from 6am also hopeing that Bradly Smith kicks arse in the 125's.

[k14]

I don't know if rossi has the pace, I'd say one of either pedrosa or lorenzo will win with stoner second.

[Cr1MiNaL]

lets make this a little bit interesting... I will bet $20 to anyone who says Rossi will not win round 4. Keep the stakes small and enjoyable for everyones pleasure.

[Crasherfromwayback]

lets make this a little bit interesting... I will bet $20 to anyone who says Rossi will not win round 4. Keep the stakes small and enjoyable for everyones pleasure.

Not I! I'm a gambler..but I think Rossi will win this round and of course the next. Then I think Stoner will start doing the bizz.

[LBD]

Sorry...I am sworn to secrecy until after SKY have delay broadcast the race some time in the morning.....

[cc rider]

I don't know if rossi has the pace, I'd say one of either pedrosa or lorenzo will win with stoner second.

You planning on staying up all night to watch it? Or set the alarm. ;)

Watched it last night, much more civilized - for a change :niceone:

[Peter Smith]

Rossi Last!!! :shit:
Looks like Stoner got the better result this round. :bleh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rossi Last!!! :shit:
Looks like Stoner got the better result this round. :bleh:

Aye. He once again rode it safe and brought it home for some good points!

Only 1 point seperating Lorenzo, Rossi and Stoner after four rounds!

[denill]

Melandri? I was so pleased.

Hey, wouldn't it be great to see him on a really competitive bike like for instance - a Ducati?

Ohhhhhh, that's right :msn-wink: :msn-wink:

[johan]

That was some awesome action!
I reckon they should run a tyre that only last half the race so they always would have to do the pit stop!

Maybe not... But still a cool wet/dry race!

[denill]

Actually I'm starting to think that the Ducatis are a piece of shit. :eek:

If it wasn't for the ABSOLUTE BRILLIANCE of Stoner where would they be??

The other Ducati riders are - 14th, 15th, 16th and 18th (Dead last on the table). WTF???

[johan]

Actually I'm starting to think that the Ducatis are a piece of shit. :eek:

If it wasn't for the ABSOLUTE BRILLIANCE of Stoner where would they be??

The other Ducati riders are - 14th, 15th, 16th and 18th (Dead last on the table). WTF???

They should put the V4 in an 1198 chassis ey!

It'll be interesting to see what comes out of Bayliss's test ride of the GP9 last week.

[HenryDorsetCase]

The bbc comentarty was good, One thing when you dont use a frame ( ducati ) the stresses go through the crankshaft ( unless they move the load path ?) and because the stresses go through the crankcase , the case needs to be stronger ,,,interesting

also on a more seriuos note ................... TITIES :2thumbsup


Stephen

You'll have to fight me for Suzi Perry. She's uber-hot. also knows about motorbikes (and music).

THe poor woman had a ruptured ectopic pregnancy which nearly killed her: Jerez was her first round back. She lost four pints of blood.. (thats a LOT, you have roughly eight pints in your whole body).

[svr]

Actually I'm starting to think that the Ducatis are a piece of shit. :eek:

If it wasn't for the ABSOLUTE BRILLIANCE of Stoner where would they be??

The other Ducati riders are - 14th, 15th, 16th and 18th (Dead last on the table). WTF???

A bloody men

[roogazza]

Aye. He once again rode it safe and brought it home for some good points!

Only 1 point seperating Lorenzo, Rossi and Stoner after four rounds!

Everything that could go wrong ,did so for Rossi. Never mind he's had his bad day now, lets just wait for the others to have their turn ?
(spoken like a true Rossi fan !)
But as you say Pete , it has closed up the title chase and those young guys are all looking fast not just Wingnut ! lol !
Great to see #33 doing great I read that they have reversed the crank direction, maybe that has helped ? Gaz.

[codgyoleracer]

Go the Kawasakis !

[denill]

Actually I'm starting to think that the Ducatis are a piece of shit. :eek:

If it wasn't for the ABSOLUTE BRILLIANCE of Stoner where would they be??

The other Ducati riders are - 14th, 15th, 16th and 18th (Dead last on the table). WTF???

Well that was a bit of a damp squid?? Not the reactions I expected. :no:

Maybe everyone agrees with the comments?? Including Gaz?? :msn-wink:

[codgyoleracer]

Yeah, amybe that boy has figured out its strengths & developed those particularily well with his team. But then again - he was pretty darn quick on from the moment he hopped in the seat "way back when"

[Badjelly]

Everything that could go wrong ,did so for Rossi. Never mind he's had his bad day now, ...

That's what people said, several times, in 2006. But that year he saved his baddest day till last.

[roogazza]

That's what people said, several times, in 2006. But that year he saved his baddest day till last.

yes, true ! hope Mugello is dry though, I have no interest in wet racing . I enjoy a straight scap like the one before last where a rider comes from behind and pulls a gap.
They say its hard to win a title and even harder to hang on to it. Look at the number of one time champs. Gaz.

[Oscar]

yes, true ! hope Mugello is dry though, I have no interest in wet racing . I enjoy a straight scap like the one before last where a rider comes from behind and pulls a gap.
They say its hard to win a title and even harder to hang on to it. Look at the number of one time champs. Gaz.

I was at Mugello last year.
It was the wildest race I have ever been to.

That's Miss Italia 2007 in the pits.

I was at the Flag Marshall station on the last turn when the crowd came through the fence. Rossi had to go on the grass on his slow down lap to avoid them. During the presentation, there must have been 20,000 people on the start finish line (including an LC4 and a ZZR1000 doing burnouts on the line).

Pete Clifford invited us to the Red Bull shindig afterward - I have never seen so many silicon titties together in one place..

[roogazza]

Yep Oscar, my favourite meet of the year, goes off doesn't it ? Sadly won't be there this time. (I booked for Sepang this morning). Gaz.

[codgyoleracer]

You can have a whole stand to yourself there Gaz.............. :-)

[roogazza]

You can have a whole stand to yourself there Gaz.............. :-)
yeah, apparently ? Not like the crowds at Mugello (93 thou and Catalunya 120).But it rains ! Gaz.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I was at Mugello last year.
It was the wildest race I have ever been to.

That's Miss Italia 2007 in the pits.

I was at the Flag Marshall station on the last turn when the crowd came through the fence. Rossi had to go on the grass on his slow down lap to avoid them. During the presentation, there must have been 20,000 people on the start finish line (including an LC4 and a ZZR1000 doing burnouts on the line).

Pete Clifford invited us to the Red Bull shindig afterward - I have never seen so many silicon titties together in one place..

Love to go to Mugello...but I was at Laguna in '07'...and Mugello would be doing well to outdo the silicon titties I saw there. Gotta love California for titties!

[eelracing]

Mugello;just watched a fantastic 250 race in the wet (man am i gonna miss the two strokes)settling in for MotoGP race and the pole setter Lorenzo has just crashed on the sighting lap.Is this kid the full quid or what?:doctor:

[rachprice]

Yay....go stoner that little champ! Pretty interesting race with the lead changing all the time

Melandri seems to be a demon in the wet!

Wonder what will come of incident with Simoncelli and Bautista?? Its a dam shame because Bautista was cranking!!! Making up 7 seconds in 4 laps!
Good on Pasini though

[Mully]

There's something altogether unpleasant about an Australian winning anything. I don't know what it is. It's just an Australian thing.

[pritch]

Melandri seems to be a demon in the wet!

That's damning with faint praise? He won three GPs in 2006 on a satellite Honda and only the Phillip Island race was wet. He was on the podium on four other occasions that season. Sorry, I can't be bothered checking the weather for those...



Wonder what will come of incident with Simoncelli and Bautista??

US$5,000 fine to young Mr Simoncelli

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

That's damning with faint praise? He won three GPs in 2006 on a satellite Honda and only the Phillip Island race was wet. He was on the podium on four other occasions that season. Sorry, I can't be bothered checking the weather for those...

True, also, Melandri came 2nd in 05, in front of Gibenau, Capirossi, Pedrosa, Hayden etc etc. But in al fairness, he was shite last year!

[k14]

But in al fairness, he was shite last year!
He was shite last year? Gee what championship are you watching? Maybe something to do with the bike he was riding?

[Wingnut]

Maybe something to do with the bike he was riding?

More like his inability to ride it. No one but Stoners seems to really be able to ride it to its potential.

It is so great to see Melandri doing so well. Even with a bike that is having no development over the season.

[pritch]

More like his inability to ride it. No one but Stoners seems to really be able to ride it to its potential.

I was interested to see how this year's class would do. Hayden was quoted as saying that he'd know within minutes of climbing on the bike whether he'd be competitive or not.

There was also a quote from Davide Brivio (sp?) to the effect that Hayden had the required courage because the telemetry showed he was still holding the throttle open when the antics of the bike indicated that shutting off might be a safer option.

Kalio going to Ducati was surprising to me but then I read that he has spent time ice racing. Still...

Stoner can ride the Ducati but so far it seems to be a real career graveyard for anybody else.