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portokiwi
3rd April 2009, 06:19
Just a quickkie..... What year can you call a bike a classic????:Oops:

Maha
3rd April 2009, 06:28
The early RF's are now vintage aren't they??......:shifty:

portokiwi
3rd April 2009, 06:40
:lol: Just brought an old GSX550 looking at doing up.
picking it up on the way down to wellington....

malfunconz
3rd April 2009, 06:49
i remember them well , they were a wicked little machine, my mate had one . have fun.

malfunconz
3rd April 2009, 06:50
dont know if they "vintage" though

portokiwi
3rd April 2009, 06:58
:niceone: I had one back in the 90s I loved it.
Going back in time... This one is a 85:laugh:

riffer
3rd April 2009, 07:08
The early RF's are now vintage aren't they??......:shifty:

you must spread some reputation around.... :laugh:

MVnut
3rd April 2009, 15:56
the year really isn't that important imho but if an older bike was crap when it was new it's just gonna be older crap now. Some folk's idea of a classic astounds me:gob:

wickle
3rd April 2009, 18:12
vary between 25/30 years Hawkes Bay reconise 1980 as Classic at present

portokiwi
4th April 2009, 07:48
:lol: well this bike is either an 84 or a 85 so its very close lol.

Ojai
12th April 2009, 09:55
Is a 21 year old GB400 a classic yet? Or is it still just old?

dangerous
14th April 2009, 20:08
Just a quickkie..... What year can you call a bike a classic????:Oops:

generally speaking its like this:
classic, pre 1972
post classic pre 82
post classic pre89

Dodgyiti
15th April 2009, 09:09
Is a 21 year old GB400 a classic yet? Or is it still just old?

Just old sorry..

When it is a classic it will be a classic retro classic instead of just a retro classic isn't that weird?:scooter:

What is there that was a retro classic and now a classic?

The GB had to be one of the real early ones, Moto-Guzzi did the 1000s based on the V7 Sport/S750 in the very late 80's and Yammaha did the W bikes pretty early on too. Royal Enfield made in India does not count, they thought it was modern when they were buying up the dies

PeteJ
15th April 2009, 13:09
generally speaking its like this:
classic, pre 1972
post classic pre 82
post classic pre89

That's the MNZ/various club classifications for racers.

Most of the classic m/c clubs for other bikes have a rolling 25-year rule, having now abandoned specific years. The various vintage and classic clubs world wide have similar stances.

Debates about the true meaning of the word "classic" in this context have been going on for much more than the 25-year rolling period. One person's treasure is another's grey porridge (a term, incidentally, that I first saw in a "Two Wheels" article about the then-emerging classic m/c movement in 1973).

"Classic" is so intensely subjective in individual applications that a rolling time period definition is proving to be the most workable one for clubs (apart from those whose intention is to distort history). For instance, I would happily argue in favour of the proposition that the Honda 50 Cub, which changed the face of transport, is a classic. On the other hand, some ex-owners thereof say that the Vincent Rapide, an overpriced and underpowered 1000cc twin with a propensity for tankslapping, never changed anything. Others will differ in their opinions; I suspect we will never convince one another to change our biases. So what?

dangerous
15th April 2009, 18:17
That's the MNZ/various club classifications for racers.

Most of the classic m/c clubs for other bikes have a rolling 25-year rule, having now abandoned specific years. The various vintage and classic clubs world wide have similar stances.

Debates about the true meaning of the word "classic" in this context have been going on for much more than the 25-year rolling period. One person's treasure is another's grey porridge

Yip as I race post classics that being why I posted so... however I always went on the 20yr roll around but these days as bikes and cars last that much longer I guess that time period gets extended.

As for ones personal opion of a classic well thats just that, a classic could be born tomorow, how ever I tend to swad with those that say bikes that changed the world or were a big step ahead are classics, ie: Kawa trips, CX turb, CB dry sumpers.

PeteJ
16th April 2009, 08:33
As for ones personal opion of a classic well thats just that, a classic could be born tomorow, how ever I tend to swad with those that say bikes that changed the world or were a big step ahead are classics, ie: Kawa trips, CX turb, CB dry sumpers.

Yeah, exactly my point. The triples were neither new in concept nor earth-changing; the CX turbo proved to be part of a technological cul-de-sac, and was interesting only as a great example of Honda achieving a difficult engineering exercise on a production basis; the dry-sump fours did change the face of motorcycling, but in themselves were a prime example of a successful new combination of old ideas.

Now, you and I could toss our ideas around between each other for ever and a day, but there's not actually a "right" or a "wrong" with opinions. (It's opinions expressed as fact that wind me up: see many of the threads on this forum...).

Bonez
16th April 2009, 16:34
No such thing as a vintage or classic bike. It's either old, very old or ancient.

PeteJ
16th April 2009, 16:50
No such thing as a vintage or classic bike. It's either old, very old or ancient.

An eminently defensible position.

Death to the rivet counters, huh? Me, I just like to sit on the things and pull the bloody wire.

Bonez
16th April 2009, 17:02
An eminently defensible position.

Death to the rivet counters, huh? Me, I just like to sit on the things and pull the bloody wire.Lets not forget the brmm brmm noices.

dangerous
16th April 2009, 18:17
No such thing as a vintage or classic bike. It's either old, very old or ancient.

haha... so does that make 'you' a vintage or classic, old, very old or ancient :whistle:

Bonez
16th April 2009, 18:23
haha... so does that make 'you' a vintage or classic, old, very old or ancient :whistle:Deny deny deny and








































deny. Now where did I put the viagra? Its NOS for oldies don't ya know......

Ixion
16th April 2009, 18:24
No such thing as a vintage or classic bike. It's either old, very old or ancient.

Scrap iron, rusty scrap iron , and rust stains, are the technical terms.