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Another MotoGP test was held recently at Qatar, where the WSBK boys raced recently!
http://images.motogp.com/multimedia2/330/330943_45602.jpg
Makoto Tamada topped the table, he was also quickest at Sepang, but had abig crash at Philip Island. Big surprise was who ended up second fastest, but really look how close these times are 2nd to 7th!!! Should be a great season, but the Yamaha boys werent present....
Unofficial times:
1. Makoto Tamada - Konica Minolta Honda: 1'56.63
2. Marco Melandri - Telefonica Movistar Honda: 1’57.31
3. Sete Gibernau - Telefonica Movistar Honda:1’57.32
4. Loris Capirossi - Ducati Marlboro: 1'57.32
5. Nicky Hayden - Repsol Honda: 1'57.33
6. Carlos Checa - Ducati Marlboro: 1'57.35
7. Alex Barros - Camel Honda: 1'57.38
8. Max Biaggi - Repsol Honda: 1'57.94
9. Troy Bayliss - Camel Honda: 1'58.18
10. Roberto Rolfo - D'Antin Ducati: 1'59.74
TwoSeven
8th March 2005, 23:57
Shows you its a fast circuit, they are actually 4s a lap faster than the super bikes :)
inlinefour
9th March 2005, 01:14
Thanks for that gav. :niceone:
Interesting article here, comparing the times from the MotoGP boys and the WSBK teams. Its generally considered the Pirelli spec tyres are 2 seconds off the pace of the GP rubber. But also Tamada has since lapped quicker than the times referred to in this article.
http://www.crash.net/uk/en/news_view.asp?cid=5&nid=106009
White trash
9th March 2005, 06:51
In 2003 at the British Superbikes round at Donnington, John Reynolds broke Valentinos lap record, set the previous weekend.
TonyB
9th March 2005, 07:03
Not sure of the new rules, but I assume the engines in the 1000cc fours in WSBK aren't allowed to be modified as highly as the twins in order to keep it even. Whereas in MotoGP they're in a much higher state of tune. Would be interesting to see what would happen if a top team had free reign with a GSXR /R1/ ZX10/ CBR.
Contacted Prime tv the other day and the good news is free live coverage of all classes, all rounds.
pay tv? why bother.
White trash
9th March 2005, 07:19
Contacted Prime tv the other day and the good news is free live coverage of all classes, all rounds.
pay tv? why bother.
What? Even World Supers?
Liked that article about sbk's vs motogp bikes gav. Especially this bit - "It has to be asked, based on this insight, whether the Suzuki MotoGP team might have been better off using 2005 development GSX-R1000 last season at Qatar in October, with Troy Corser comparatively securing a better qualifying time than the highest placed GSV-R last season for the race by 0.303secs."
TwoSeven
9th March 2005, 13:19
The only real difference between the two is that an SBK is heavier and uses different materials, along with only being able to change design twice per year (with the changed bits needing a certain volume to be sold to the public). MotoGP are lighter, use different materials and they can change bits at will - they also run a different gear ratio as well, because they tune torque more than top speed.
There isnt much difference between a stock street bike and an SBK machine other than a change in electronics and replacing a few parts for ones more suitable for racing. Other than that, the bike is just blue-printed.
duckman
9th March 2005, 13:35
**stooopid question time** Whats blue-printing ????
There isnt much difference between a stock street bike and an SBK machine other than a change in electronics and replacing a few parts for ones more suitable for racing. Other than that, the bike is just blue-printed.
I heard that the ten kate cbr1000rr was putting out around 220hp last year. There must be a bit more than just changing a few parts to get 65-70 more hp over the road bike.
Skunk
9th March 2005, 13:44
It has to be asked, based on this insight, whether the Suzuki MotoGP team might have been better off using 2005 development GSX-R1000 last season at Qatar in October, with Troy Corser comparatively securing a better qualifying time than the highest placed GSV-R last season for the race by 0.303secs.Makes you wonder really... Doesn't it? Ignoring the rules for a moment of course - could you develop the GSX-R to be a top fiver?
(What is the capacity of the GSX-R?)
White trash
9th March 2005, 13:45
(What is the capacity of the GSX-R?)
The new one's 999cc.
White trash
9th March 2005, 13:46
Liked that article about sbk's vs motogp bikes gav. Especially this bit - "It has to be asked, based on this insight, whether the Suzuki MotoGP team might have been better off using 2005 development GSX-R1000 last season at Qatar in October, with Troy Corser comparatively securing a better qualifying time than the highest placed GSV-R last season for the race by 0.303secs."
The difference being last year the track hadn't been used. It was "green".
riffer
9th March 2005, 13:53
**stooopid question time** Whats blue-printing ????
Engine blueprinting has become standard procedure in many performance engine shops. Blueprinting is an absolute necessity to obtain maximum power and to insure the longest possible engine life and reliability.
Blueprinting an engine means hand building an engine with perfectly fit components using maximum recommended clearances, and minimum recommended volumes. These specifications should be determined using the engine manufacturer's tolerances for the engine being built.
All parts must be one hundred percent clean. The block should be boiled out making certain water jackets are perfectly clean. All bolt holes should be re-tapped, cleaned and oiled, as well as their mating bolts. Any surfaces being refinished should have all holes chamfered, and any casting burrs or irregularities should be ground away.
duckman
9th March 2005, 13:55
Thanks - I did not know that.
Skunk
9th March 2005, 14:01
The difference being last year the track hadn't been used. It was "green".I remember now, quite dusty too.
We'll see who does better Suz or Kawa :lol:
(I think Suzuki should, but would like Kawasaki to :shake: )
White trash
9th March 2005, 14:03
I remember now, quite dusty too.
We'll see who does better Suz or Kawa :lol:
(I think Suzuki should, but would like Kawasaki to :shake: )
Don't wave your arse at me sonny!
I think you'll find Kumandsukme will actually have one rider ahead of both Suzukis on points at the end of the year.
TwoSeven
9th March 2005, 16:19
I heard that the ten kate cbr1000rr was putting out around 220hp last year. There must be a bit more than just changing a few parts to get 65-70 more hp over the road bike.
They did a really good article once (not sure if its still on their website) on what they did for the bikes, but you can work it out from their website shop.
They list the race cibby 1k as being >200Hp and >300km/hr.
They build 600s and 1ks for racing if you want one. Price for a 1k sbk unit starts at nz$17k for the basic bike and goes up from there. They sell everything you can ask for. A pure blue printed engine will set you back nz$30k (but it doesnt say if that also includes the bike).
The cibby 600 starts at nz$13k for the basic bike (remember its sans road kit). Not sure if its sans vat or not. It used to be way cheaper than that, but their prices go up everytime they win :)
I've often wondered why the racers here buy road kitted bikes in NZ then convert them to racing when its often cheaper to buy the basic race kitted bike in europe and have it shipped here (especially if you are buying a couple of pre-prepped machines with all the bits on). I'd also expect someone with Honda sponsorship to be able to get 50% off the price of the bike if its only for racing - although again I'm not sure if Honda still offer that deal.
In 2003 at the British Superbikes round at Donnington, John Reynolds broke Valentinos lap record, set the previous weekend.
Typical Salesman Bullshit, as per usual!!! Fuck sakes man, get the bloody facts straight will you? The late great STEVE HISLOP on the MonsterMob Ducati broke the outright lap record. Not farkin' John "Broken Leg" Reynolds.......
gav
10th March 2005, 06:04
They did a really good article once (not sure if its still on their website) on what they did for the bikes, but you can work it out from their website shop.
They list the race cibby 1k as being >200Hp and >300km/hr.
Strange that as CV topped 300km/h on a number of occasions
They build 600s and 1ks for racing if you want one. Price for a 1k sbk unit starts at nz$17k for the basic bike and goes up from there. They sell everything you can ask for. A pure blue printed engine will set you back nz$30k (but it doesnt say if that also includes the bike).
Huh? Where do you get your prices from? The CBR1000RR CV replica road bike is listed at over $50000NZD!! I'm guessing a pure race bike would be even more?
The cibby 600 starts at nz$13k for the basic bike (remember its sans road kit). Not sure if its sans vat or not. It used to be way cheaper than that, but their prices go up everytime they win :)
I've often wondered why the racers here buy road kitted bikes in NZ then convert them to racing when its often cheaper to buy the basic race kitted bike in europe and have it shipped here (especially if you are buying a couple of pre-prepped machines with all the bits on). I'd also expect someone with Honda sponsorship to be able to get 50% off the price of the bike if its only for racing - although again I'm not sure if Honda still offer that deal.
When did Blue Wing Honda offer race bikes at less 50%? They used to give some away to sponsered riders but they had to be returned at end of season. Blue Wing then offer them for sale through the dealer network. Theres been a SP1 advertised in Southland thats an ex BWH race bike.
White trash
10th March 2005, 06:11
Typical Salesman Bullshit, as per usual!!! Fuck sakes man, get the bloody facts straight will you? The late great STEVE HISLOP on the MonsterMob Ducati broke the outright lap record. Not farkin' John "Broken Leg" Reynolds.......
Listen here arsehole!
I can't go around telling people a Ducati Superbike out did a MotoGp bike!
I knew it was one of those old pricks
(This post is in no way intended to be disrespectfull to Steve Hislop. RIP.)
TwoSeven
10th March 2005, 18:44
Dont know anything about blue wing whoever they are. I was talking about Honda as in Honda Japan Corp.
Prices come from the Ten Kate catalog and are listed on their website as well. Please read the post correctly - you'll find I listed the price of the bike thats out of the crate from Honda, not the one thats a fully worked race machine.
gav
10th March 2005, 20:30
Dont know anything about blue wing whoever they are. I was talking about Honda as in Honda Japan Corp.
Prices come from the Ten Kate catalog and are listed on their website as well. Please read the post correctly - you'll find I listed the price of the bike thats out of the crate from Honda, not the one thats a fully worked race machine.
Blue Wing Honda are the NZ distributors for Honda motorcycles in NZ (naturally) Honda Japan certainly dont discount prices for motorcycles to be raced in NZ, its solely at the discretion of the distributor. The dealers get approx 20-23% off the retail price, payable in seven days, when buying new bikes for stock or to order.
So where do these prices come from?
They build 600s and 1ks for racing if you want one. Price for a 1k sbk unit starts at nz$17k for the basic bike and goes up from there. They sell everything you can ask for. A pure blue printed engine will set you back nz$30k (but it doesnt say if that also includes the bike).
A "1k sbk unit" is a stock CBR1000RR??? please.....
Please reread YOUR posts before posting, it would avoid alot of confusion :rolleyes:
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