Fine for riding bigger than 250?

[SKIDDY]

as the title says.

What would the damage be for riding a bike bigger than a 250 on a learners ??

I searched through over 15 pages in this section and couldn't really find it so decided to post a new thread.

Just done my basic handling skills course today, get learners shortly, but really haven't made a decision on if I should be legal and buy a 250 or be naughty and get a 600 and risk it.

I drive full time for a job and can't afford to lose my licence for any period of time.

So if anyone knows the fines involved if ya get snapped, then I'd be keen to know.

Cheers

[Str8 Jacket]

I reckon that you're smart enough to go all out and buy a Gixxer Thou for your first bike.

[CookMySock]

I think its $400 for breach of license conditions, and $800 for being caught with a pilion.

Steve

[Ixion]

Plus 25 demerit points for each and every offence.

[Reido]

and dont worry about gear etc you'll be fine

[Gubb]

Only Homo's pay attention to the law anyway.

You're not a Homo are you?

[davebullet]

Give me $400 now, and if you get caught, I'll pay it for you.

[fLaThEaD FreD]

as the title says.

What would the damage be for riding a bike bigger than a 250 on a learners ??

I searched through over 15 pages in this section and couldn't really find it so decided to post a new thread.

Just done my basic handling skills course today, get learners shortly, but really haven't made a decision on if I should be legal and buy a 250 or be naughty and get a 600 and risk it.

I drive full time for a job and can't afford to lose my licence for any period of time.

So if anyone knows the fines involved if ya get snapped, then I'd be keen to know.

Cheers

I've done it from the start on an 800 and been stopped once and let off.....I have 15 days to go till my full..touch wood I'll make it...........up to you to decide. Guess it's about not drawing attention to yaself.

[Squid]

If ya get snapped on bigger than a 2fiddy then its just a breach of licence fine and points. From you thinking about it right from the start you seem cool enough to ride something bigger than you should. :dodge:
Going through breath testing checkpoints more often than not they will also want to have a quick look to make sure your color licence matches the capacity of you bike.

[James Deuce]

I just HAVE to start that motorcycle salvage company.

[Dooly]

Dont forget to wave to every biker too.
Cept Harleys.
And scooters.
And sprots bikes if you've got a cruiser.
And cruisers if you've got a sprots bike.
And Ducatis.
And BMWs.
And Hondas cos they're gay.
And Zookis cos everyone's got one.
And Triumphs cos they meant to leak oil.

[davereid]

Its not just the fine and demerits, you will most likely be un-insured, which could cost you a lot more !

IMHO you should try and get an exemption, or stick with a 250 until you get the correct class of licence.

[TOTO]

600 is too small for you ma man, you need 1000.

Nothing shows better how big yr winky is than 1000cc bike on your learners :niceone:

[wbks]

Leather vest, sneakers and brand new zx10 ftw

[caseye]

Reckon you might be getting the picture? I'd not recomend going bigger straight away, but hey who are, am I/we to know about these things, seems to me that you've already decided to break the law it's only a question of to what degree so the finances may bear up under the strain.
Remember if you do this, no insurance company is going to pay out on a learners for a bigger bike, to me that means no one gets paid out if you've caused the accident.I've ssen the results of that scenario first hand of late, it ain't pretty.

[MsKABC]

And don't forget that not only would you not be insured riding illegally, but if you have an accident, get fined etc, you will have trouble getting insurance at any time in the future even when you are legal. Just suck it up and do it legally. You'll be a better rider for it in the end.

[Headbanger]

When the Saints come marching in,oh when the saints, come marching in.

if your prepared tp pay the price in the event you get pulled up or crash then do as you see fit.

[Storm]

Seeing as you've stated your license (and I'm inferring, by extension a clean record) is vital to your job- keep it legal.
Its not that long and you'll probably learn all sorts of character building stuff(TM) that'll help you on a bigger bike in the long run

[Whynot]

Fuck it mate, just go for it ..... what's the worst that could happen?

[MSTRS]

What would the damage be for riding a bike bigger than a 250 on a learners ??

I searched through over 15 pages in this section and couldn't really find it so decided to post a new thread.



Not too bright? The preceding advice here is gold. Take it to the bank and put it on short-term high-interest deposit. You'll be needing the funds to pay those $400 increment fines.

Bigger than 250 = $400 plus 25 demerits
Exceeding the 70kph condition = $400 plus 25 demerits
No L plate = $400 plus 25 demerits
Carrying a pillion = $400 plus 25 demerits
On the road between 10pm and 6am = $400 plus 25 demerits

And just to clarify, it is $400/25pts each. So worst case scenario it is potentially possible to rack up $2000 and 125 points in one sitting. Congratulations, you are now walking for 3 months. And considering your learner status (regardless of other licence classes, that is what you are) quite possibly your licence(s) will be revoked.

Of course, your experience might be different...not everyone gets hit that hard even when caught.

[Tank]

Not too bright? The preceding advice here is gold. Take it to the bank and put it on short-term high-interest deposit. You'll be needing the funds to pay those $400 increment fines.

Bigger than 250 = $400 plus 25 demerits
Exceeding the 70kph condition = $400 plus 25 demerits
No L plate = $400 plus 25 demerits
Carrying a pillion = $400 plus 25 demerits
On the road between 10pm and 6am = $400 plus 25 demerits

And just to clarify, it is $400/25pts each. So worst case scenario it is potentially possible to rack up $2000 and 125 points in one sitting. Congratulations, you are now walking for 3 months. And considering your learner status (regardless of other licence classes, that is what you are) quite possibly your licence(s) will be revoked.

Of course, your experience might be different...not everyone gets hit that hard even when caught.


Of course - all of the above could be cheap if he hits a $100,000 Audi or the like and finds that he is uninsured.

But - hey Im sure he is a riding god and all will be ok - I've always been a fan of the busa - why not get one of them - more kick than a piddy little 600

[koba]

It is really funny watching incompetent riders on big sportsbikes, I do try not to laugh too hard though because I will probably feel a bit guilty when they fucke themselves up.

[boomer]

what a nanny state this place is...harden up.

Its easier to ask for forgiveness than it is for permission...

next time, dont ask just do ! ( i know of at least 20 people on here done the same thing )

[Tank]

what a nanny state this place is...harden up.

Its easier to ask for forgiveness than it is for permission...

next time, dont ask just do ! ( i know of at least 20 people on here done the same thing )

There is a difference between HTFU'ing and giving poor advise.

Sure - all could be good - but it would be stupid to overlook the potential pitfalls and offer poor advise when asked.

Im sure we would all feel fucken terrible if the kid went out and got a gixxer and killed himself going for a huge blat - having told him to HTFU and do it.

[boomer]

There is a difference between HTFU'ing and giving poor advise.

Sure - all could be good - but it would be stupid to overlook the potential pitfalls and offer poor advise when asked.

Im sure we would all feel fucken terrible if the kid went out and got a gixxer and killed himself going for a huge blat - having told him to HTFU and do it.


do u speed..?

[Swoop]

Think of how many cars are on the road at any given time. How many of those cars are police cars?
Pretty decent odds that are stacked in your favour. What could possibly go wrong??

[Patch]

Bigger than 250 = $400 plus 25 demerits
Exceeding the 70kph condition = $400 plus 25 demerits
No L plate = $400 plus 25 demerits
Carrying a pillion = $400 plus 25 demerits
On the road between 10pm and 6am = $400 plus 25 demerits

Getting caught then posting for advice on how to get off - fookn priceless




Use your own brain ya knob, make your own decision and live with it.


1000cc meh, child's play - buy a 1340cc, turbo it, slap on some nos - then post how cool you are.

Hope you don't plan on breeding anytime soon.

[mynameis]

You're not skidMark's brother are you?

[Tank]

do u speed..?

Very rarely - Im a nana on the bike - and people who have ridden with me will attest to that.

Having said that there is a difference in doing something and encouraging a noob rider to do the same.

Seriously riding at whatever speed you feel comfortable at after you have amassed some experience and skill is different to tellign some kid who has just passed his basic handling that its ok to head out and do 160. Because they simply dont have the skillset to do it properly.

[boomer]

you pay your money.. you takes ya chances..??!!

[Chrislost]

Only Homo's pay attention to the law anyway.

You're not a Homo are you?

Dont forget, most modern 600+s travel faster then the law anyway.

:jerry:

[Headbanger]

Dont forget, most modern 600+s travel faster then the law anyway.

:jerry:

My 1985 XR250 cruised the open road at 130km'h......

Had great fun beating the pants off nubs on GN250's....

[DingoZ]

From LTNZ

drivers face fines and demerit points if they break the conditions of their restricted and learner licences. Drivers breaking the conditions of their learner or restricted licence will face:

a $400 infringement fine
a 25 demerit point penalty.

The less serious driver licence offence penalties have a $1,000 maximum fine, while the more serious have a $4,500 maximum. The most serious licensing offence, of driving while disqualified or contrary to limited licence, carries a maximum fine for a third or subsequent offence of $6,000. The period of imprisonment for this offence is 2 years.


:buggerd:

[MarkH]

Having said that there is a difference in doing something and encouraging a noob rider to do the same.

I 100% support this concept. If I ride fast I risk my life, I might be OK with doing that but would hate to advise someone else to ride fast then find out they crashed and died as a result. Advising others to be reckless is not a good idea.

[sil3nt]

Just get a Suzuki RGV 250 or the Aprillia RS250. Learner legal and you can still kill yourself.

[MSTRS]

...contrary to limited licence, carries a maximum fine for a third or subsequent offence of $6,000. The period of imprisonment for this offence is 2 years.


...

That is a case of someone who has lost their licence (DIC perhaps) but has applied for, and been granted, a licence for work only (say). I doubt that this provision covers learner/restricted licences.

[DingoZ]

That is a case of someone who has lost their licence (DIC perhaps) but has applied for, and been granted, a licence for work only (say). I doubt that this provision covers learner/restricted licences.

Yes but read the first part of the post - that covers the learner/restricted parts.

The second half was additional info, and it does state what is covers, as to what you can expect if caught again, or you breach your excemption conditions...

[tigertim20]

I have to say, especially if you cant afford to risk your licence for work, just get a 2 fiddy, I mean there are some pretty quick 250's out there, and plenty of people on here would be willing to help you out with advice etc on what to get. RGV, TZR, RS 250, or FZR, CBR, GSXR 250, are just a few reasonably quick 250's!!! I have a TZR as well as my 600, and she is HEAPS of fun!!

[MSTRS]

Yes but read the first part of the post - that covers the learner/restricted parts.

The second half was additional info, and it does state what is covers, as to what you can expect if caught again, or you breach your excemption conditions...

So, you reckon that 3 separate instances of conditions breach could result in $6000 and or 2 years inside? :sweatdrop
Not really worth the risk.
Apart from the dangerous 70kph thing, none of it is worth risking.

[DingoZ]

So, you reckon that 3 separate instances of conditions breach could result in $6000 and or 2 years inside? :sweatdrop
Not really worth the risk.
Apart from the dangerous 70kph thing, none of it is worth risking.

Eggzachary.

$21.00 dollars to apply for exemption to ride a bigger bike, if thats what you wish for. Compared to $400.00 + potential loss of license and or bigger fines, (rarely inside time, although it does depend on the circumstance which led to the person being pulled over and stopped). I know which of the two sensible options I'd be taking, if I was in the same situation....:)

[caseye]

OK , so it takes all sorts and this is a multi cultural, race, religion,sexed forum, but!
To those who appear to have been here for some time and who should know better than to advise anyone to go to a bigger machine without first gaining some very real experience, I'd say "PHOEY" yer all nutz and damnded irresponsible to boot.
As an older returned to riding after 15 yrs without a bike bloke, I find it abhorrent to see this sort of garbage expounded as free speech.
It is garbage and it is irresponsible.
Yes I go faster than the law allows occassionally but it's when theres just me and the road, not in town on a rocket ship that I'm not qualified to pilot.
I understand that some here simply post to bait others and perhaps I've got the whole hook line and sinker, but I don't care, this is a serious matter and to think that some of us can't keep it straight enough to make sensible comment sickens me.

[James Deuce]

Your intent is laudable caseye, but spend enough time here and you'll realise that the only people listening are the ones who want to learn, but don't really need all that much help.

In the meantime, don't take it as a personal slight that some of the "oldtimers" have pretty much given up.

I still reckon the Salvage company is a good idea. I could franchise it and we could specialise in picking those who are instantly disqualified and then lecture ceaslessly all the way home. We even have people privvy to Police comms on here, so for a suitable under the table retainer, I'm sure the local franchise holder could be despatched about 20 seconds after the Police.

[caseye]

Cheers James Deuce, nice to know they're out there.
By the way, that salvage idea, : might just work!

[325rocket]

Just get a Suzuki RGV 250 or the Aprillia RS250. Learner legal and you can still kill yourself.

id love to get my hands on a RS250. to be honest it shouldnt be legal to ride one on a learners, i think my 600 would be safer.

[WLG Commuta]

I happen to know of someone who knows someone that has a bigger bike on their learners who understands that its too damn expensive to buy a 250, ride it for a year for commuting in and out of work only:scooter:

If you have taken into consideration the other comments about insurance and fines then i'd say youve made up your mind.

"Yes, 'RISK' taking is inherently failure-prone, otherwise, it would be called 'Surething' taking" :bash:

but then again

"You'll always miss 100% of the shots you don't take" :rockon:

[SKIDDY]

Thanks heaps for all your comments.

It has definitely opened up my mind a little bit more than it previously was.

I have pretty much decided that it is not worth the risk, I will get a 2 fiddy and learn to ride it over a year or more before stepping up to something bigger.

to be honest, I hadn't even considered the insurance thing, so thanks for pointing that out to me

Still trying to work ot what to get, but it seems if you get an older bike as opposed to a new one, its going to hold its value better for resale or trade later on.

thanks again

:yes::yes::yes:

[Patch]

ftw - learn to ride a 2 smoke 2 fiddy properly and you'll probably ride around about 70% of the peeps in here.

Have fun learning.

[MSTRS]

Thanks heaps for all your comments.

It has definitely opened up my mind a little bit more than it previously was.

I have pretty much decided that it is not worth the risk, I will get a 2 fiddy and learn to ride it over a year or more before stepping up to something bigger.

to be honest, I hadn't even considered the insurance thing, so thanks for pointing that out to me

Still trying to work ot what to get, but it seems if you get an older bike as opposed to a new one, its going to hold its value better for resale or trade later on.


Good man. There is a huge range of bikes to choose from. Trailies, Cruisers, Tourers, Sprotbikes, Naked, Faired, 2 stroke, 4 stroke, Single to 4 cyls....
To the beginning rider, it can be quite dizzying to decide, but with 'our' help you'll get there. :innocent:

[koba]

Thanks heaps for all your comments.

It has definitely opened up my mind a little bit more than it previously was.

I have pretty much decided that it is not worth the risk, I will get a 2 fiddy and learn to ride it over a year or more before stepping up to something bigger.

to be honest, I hadn't even considered the insurance thing, so thanks for pointing that out to me

Still trying to work ot what to get, but it seems if you get an older bike as opposed to a new one, its going to hold its value better for resale or trade later on.

thanks again

:yes::yes::yes:

Also investigate 150 two strokes. (KR150, RG150 etc..)
Not too differnt in speed to a gpx or whatever and you can race them when you move on to a bigger road bike.

[skidMark]

WTFUX....

I'm skid...

There can't be a SKIDDY as well...

gotta be laws against that shit lol

[James Deuce]

WTFUX....

I'm skid...

There can't be a SKIDDY as well...

gotta be laws against that shit lol

Now you know how Big Dave felt when BigDave turned up and how I felt when jimjim turned up.

[skidMark]

Now you know how Big Dave felt when BigDave turned up and how I felt when jimjim turned up.


In all reality, he cant exactly make me look any worse...

Prob a blessing in disguise lol

[Squiggles]

How many times must this question be asked, its in the road code aint it?

[SKIDDY]

WTFUX....

I'm skid...

There can't be a SKIDDY as well...

gotta be laws against that shit lol

I've been known as Skid for over 15 years now.

Half the country don't even know my real name :Punk::Punk:

[caseye]

Well I'm pleased to see that common sense has ruled for a change.
I'd like to think that the guys who offered you sensible advice also had a modicum of input to your decision and I'd like to thank them for making the effort to put you on the right track.
Go start looking hard and remember if you ask , the advice will flow.

[Gubb]

Thanks Dad.

[Mork]

Any licence breach is $400 + 25 demerits, BUT you only get the demerits on one offence per notice. If you get done for 3 licence offences on a notice it'll cost you $1200 but only 25 demerits.

If you get too many tickets for the same licence offence (carrying passengers etc) you can be charged in court rather than an instant fine and the judge will take your licence....

[monkey99]

Any licence breach is $400 + 25 demerits, BUT you only get the demerits on one offence per notice. If you get done for 3 licence offences on a notice it'll cost you $1200 but only 25 demerits.

If you get too many tickets for the same licence offence (carrying passengers etc) you can be charged in court rather than an instant fine and the judge will take your licence....

Fold it into a neat little origami dart then shove it up ya jacksah.. oh & then send yer pride & joy to the crusher through some perversion of the recent law changes to nail 'Road racers'

no guarantee any of that can happen however..

Do a riding course.. buy the 250.. do advanced riding course.. have full license in no time & sell the 250 to 'friends that recognise your coolness':Police:

Though i remember some thread somewhere on KB that discussed the NSW legislation for learner bikes to have a CC limit of 400cc..:chase:

[James Deuce]

Though i remember some thread somewhere on KB that discussed the NSW legislation for learner bikes to have a CC limit of 400cc..:chase:

Noooooo, up to 660cc depending on power to weight ratio.

[jono035]

When the hell are they going to get around to implementing the LAM list in NZ anyway?

[James Deuce]

When it gets tabled to the new cabinet (more like if).

[chester]

dont worry bout what bike ya gona buy, go get some leather to cover your arse when ya fall off. :msn-wink:

http://www.quasimoto.co.nz/products?product_id=52

[LaytonNZ]

do u speed..?

i cant help but laugh saying to a motorbiker "Do you speed?":doh::laugh: