How to tell if motorbike NZ-new or import?

[KX500]

To get KX500 Vinned has to be New Zealand new. Its a 1990 model. Rung Kawai dealer and they can only give the year. Frame number on side of head set housing is KX500E - 001132 Engine number KX500BLO14942 (the O could be an 0) Thought meant to be 17 numbers with frame number ?

Cheers

[tigertim20]

either try find original owner, ask they you bought it off maybe/ or use www.carjam.co.nz?

[KX500]

Cheers, yeah tried carjam

Had the bike for 3 years and no longer have sellers details, with the bike being 19 years old - probably be few owners and they have to still have proof its NZ new.

Ridiculous, same bike whether NZ new or Import, anyone think they both came out of the same factory :laugh:

[scott411]

tmx bikes of that era did not have vin numbers, thats why the frame number is not 17 digits, not really sure if you will be able to tell if it is NZ new or import, why do you need to know, the parts should be all the same,

[Crasherfromwayback]

To get KX500 Vinned has to be New Zealand new. Its a 1990 model. Rung Kawai dealer and they can only give the year. Frame number on side of head set housing is KX500E - 001132 Engine number KX500BLO14942 (the O could be an 0) Thought meant to be 17 numbers with frame number ?

Cheers

Kawasaki NZ should be able to tell you if it's one they sold new mate!

[KX500]

VINZ wants to know for vinning purposes, also got to get declaration from the police saying the vehicle is of no interest to them. (Have to be a bit of a thick bugger to steal a bike then rock up to VINZ lolol)

Cheerz for clearing up the amount of numbers mystery Scott.

Could idea Welly M8, will contact them tomorrow, hope they don't take 7 weeks to give me an answer like it took to get an ignition coil off them cause they were doing stock take.:)

[scott411]

not to sure if they will be able to tell from a bike that far back,

it should not matter to VTNZ as the bike would never have been registered with them either way,

[Conquiztador]

Simple solutions:

1. Get a old b/w number that has not been in system for approx 10 years and fit to bike. Then ride to the WOF place and ask them to VIN it. They will not find it in system and the outcome will be that their system does not go far back enuf. You will get a VIN number and new plate.

OR:

2. Get another frame/bike that is/has been in system. Use that frame and plate and you be away. Then a little later you swap frame as suddenly the one you put through the system cracked... as you can swap frame or motor, but not both at same time...


Disclaimer: I have never done this. Only heard stories...

[KX500]

:) Yeah might work in my favour having an old bike.

:Punk: Kool site you have there

[KX500]

Hehe - Disclaimer: :2thumbsup

"I like it"

Be no need to prove ownership or police disclaimer etc, treated like another warrant plus Vin ?

Just happen to have an old mid 70's GT 250 sitting outside with a black plate, mates bike that is siezed - feel a plan coming together "Hypothetically".

[scott411]

2. Get another frame/bike that is/has been in system. Use that frame and plate and you be away. Then a little later you swap frame as suddenly the one you put through the system cracked... as you can swap frame or motor, but not both at same time...


Disclaimer: I have never done this. Only heard stories...

option one might work however option 2 will never work as if you could ever find a KX500 frame, (which is like rocking horse shit) it would have never been registered anyway, since it is a mx bike (the only KX500 i have ever seen road registered is not likely to have ever been wrecked)

have you put the lights and everything on yet????? i would think the vinning would be the easy part at the end,

[Conquiztador]

Hehe - Disclaimer: :2thumbsup

"I like it"

Be no need to prove ownership or police disclaimer etc, treated like another warrant plus Vin ?

Just happen to have an old mid 70's GT 250 sitting outside with a black plate, mates bike that is siezed - feel a plan coming together "Hypothetically".

Yep, you will still need to do the police thingy. But that is the easy part: VTNZ has copied forms that you can get, then just take to the local station and a nice chap in blue will check on his puter and then fill in and stamp the form. Just make sure that the plate from your mates bike does not belong to a stolen bike...

[Vern]

To get KX500 Vinned has to be New Zealand new. Its a 1990 model. Rung Kawai dealer and they can only give the year. Frame number on side of head set housing is KX500E - 001132 Engine number KX500BLO14942 (the O could be an 0) Thought meant to be 17 numbers with frame number ?

Cheers
Hi when I vinned my 82 Honda I emailed the registration people and gave the engine and frame number and they were able to tell me I will see if I can find the sit for you. Vern

[Vern]

Hi when I vinned my 82 Honda I emailed the registration people and gave the engine and frame number and they were able to tell me I will see if I can find the sit for you. Vern

Hi email info@nzta.govt.nz that address is from the letter they emailed back to me and I just printed it off and took that to the AA where I had my bike vinned. Vern:2thumbsup

[McJim]

Take all the stickers off it and say it's just a bitsa bike you built yourself and you would like them to ensure it's roadworthy and give it a VIN please.

[KX500]

Cheerz all

Ta Vern for the email addie. Be good to have a few documents from Gov departments like the "Ecilops" non stolen declaration, NZTA blurb printed off.

Think opition 2 with the frame is you buy a KLX650 etc and put the 500 motor in and then later "when frame cracks" put 500 into KX500 frame that happens to be lying about.

How does the law sit with say you got a VTR 1000 and you put a TL1000 motor in the VTR ? Does the VTR need re-vinning ?

No lights on yet, don't really want to go to exspense and work of lighting coil and signals, speedo, silencer if its a no go what so ever. Trying to suss out best way to "present" and if possible instead of getting a flat no when "holding the tounge differently" may have helped

Sounds like a walk in the park the declaration, good point about stolen bike part, would not put it past the GT "owner" :)

Only stickers to remove are on swing arm - covered up 500 stickers - like being a Wolve in Sheeps clothing :)

[motorbyclist]

Simple solutions:

1. Get a old b/w number that has not been in system for approx 10 years and fit to bike. Then ride to the WOF place and ask them to VIN it. They will not find it in system and the outcome will be that their system does not go far back enuf. You will get a VIN number and new plate.


i tried that, instead of "well damn we should have put that in the computer" i got "you need proof it has been previously registered in NZ"

[Conquiztador]

i tried that, instead of "well damn we should have put that in the computer" i got "you need proof it has been previously registered in NZ"

Probably depends on who you get. As mentioned, I have never done this... but I have heard... that it is a way to get the thingy VIN'ned. And if the old plate has one or more of those coloured stickers on it then you are on to a winner. I have heard...

[MSTRS]

No lights on yet, don't really want to go to exspense and work of lighting coil and signals, speedo, silencer if its a no go what so ever. Trying to suss out best way to "present" and if possible instead of getting a flat no when "holding the tounge differently" may have helped



How do you propose to get VINned when it's not 'road legal' anyway?
Carjam can't help if it's not been previously registered.
The Kawasaki importer could help if the bike came in new, but not if used.
If Police 'have no interest' that's a start, but if it was used import then you're fucked without paperwork.

Good luck.

[KX500]

No point making road legal if the first BIGGEST hurdle can not be "jumped over" - our elected governments idea of what should comply "Yes you can register your $700 pile of cheap chinese junk mini chopper" But you dude with the 99KG built like a brick shit house - stop on a dime KX500 - you boy need the "Run around"

(Just end up with a dirty 5 good for rabbit shooting at night - which I'm not into :) )

About to send numbers away to LTSA - Land Transport Sucker Association

[scott411]

well, if you want to register it as a moped like all of the choppers are registered then you don't even need to get it vinned,
the idea saying its a custom built bike is the best idea in here, i would go see what you need to do for that,

[KX500]

Yeah could be the go Scott, thanks.

How does it work ? Go to post office and say I want to register a moped/mini chopper and they give me the plates ?

[scott411]

go and see VTNZ, say you want to comply a custom bike, they will give you the paperwork, you will need to get it inspected, you will need to have everything working for that inspection, that will get you a vin number and let you register it, i am unsure what checks they will do but it may include a emission check, and a noise check, but also normal stuff,

i would think you have not told the VTNZ that the bike was never made for the road and it would not be in there system,

it is not easy to get the bikes complied, especailly since you are starting with a competition bike that was never designed to go on the road, and will have that stamped on the bike in a couple of places at least, you will have to withhold bits of information to get it on the road if possible at all,

what i am trying to say is it won't be easy,

[KX500]

Cheerz again Scott - No harm in trying

Heard back from Kawasaki New Zealand, they cannot find it in their system so think its an import. Frame 90 and motor 91, had some crank cases sent out from the USA by a member of kxriders.com so could explain the 91 bit. Will check later when head out to garage if the numbers on the crankcase, and double check all numbers.

Like been said probably comes down to who ya get on the day.

Won't they turn around though and go "This is a KX500" ? Can someone send me a rear RM guard pls, IT headlight etc - guess if it looks a bitsa I could have a chance :sunny:

Try and contact some of these CRF 450 owners on Trade me that seem to have pulled it off some how.

[scott411]

no they won;t say that, becasue it would have never been registered with LTNZ, saying its a custom is just easier than telling them the truth,

[KX500]

Okie dokie Scott

(Just my luck for the guy to go "I use to race these KX500's with Shane King back in the day") :)

[KX500]

Just waiting to hear back from NZTA, failing that the "Custom" route seems the general consensus.

:Punk:

[motorbyclist]

custom route requires one of their engineer guys to come around and check that the thing is strong enough and built to a high enough standard. I suggest getting friendly with your local one :msn-wink:

once you've got it certified I beleive you can make up to 200 of them on a low volume cert

in a perfect world they wouldn't care if your custom was infact 100% original


(edit: i see you've found out this already in your other thread)

[colsan1]

Ask how the guys who import vintage bikes do it.
VIN numbers are a new(ish) thing on bikes (less than 20 years) so the guys
who import 1960's british stuff should be able to help.

[Max Preload]

VINZ wants to know for vinning purposes, also got to get declaration from the police saying the vehicle is of no interest to them. (Have to be a bit of a thick bugger to steal a bike then rock up to VINZ lolol)

You'd certainly have to be a bit thick to buy a bike without checking first it wasn't stolen... hmmmm...

[KX500]

Yeah Max bit hard to check officially if an old motocross bike is stolen.

Cheerz all again - below is the response from NZTA, having an old bke may work in my favour, like what was said previously the records do not go back that far
to show if ever been registered. Probably be going the Low Volume Vehicle cert route, there's a certifier here in Ch-Ch so will swing by and see what he says.


Thank you for your email dated 8 April 2009.


I have searched the Motor Vehicle Register (MVR) and have not been able to locate any information with the details you have provided.



The MVR is a Register to record vehicle and owner details. The NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) would have a record of any vehicles still registered during 1995.



In 1995 with the establishment of the current MVR, any vehicle that was not registered at this time was not transferred. These records were retained for 7 years and then discarded.



Re Registration Requirements



For re-registration requirements you need to provide proof that the vehicle has previously been registered in New Zealand. This could be something like the plate number, chassis number, old licence or Warrant of Fitness (WoF) labels. The Transport Service Delivery (TSD) agent will need to be satisfied that the documents demonstrate that the vehicle, when originally registered, was designed and constructed according to the requirements applying at that time. You may also need to provide proof that you are entitled to register the vehicle. A letter from the previous owner will usually suffice. You may want to contact the TSD agent/Entry Certifier for the NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) you will be using to ensure you take any necessary documents with you.



I have attached a link to a factsheet on our website which explains the re-registration process for you. Please read this information thoroughly.

www.landtransport.govt.nz/factsheets/09.html


To register your vehicle you will need to transport it to a TSD agent/Entry Certifier for the purpose of a pre-registration inspection and to complete an Application for Registration of Motor Vehicle (form MR2A).



The TSD agents for the NZTA are:

Vehicle Inspections New Zealand (VINZ)
Vehicle Testing New Zealand (VTNZ)
Automobile Association (AA)
To give you an indication of the registration costs, please see the following link. Pay particular attention to the 'MR2A Registration of Motor Vehicle' section of the fee table.

www.landtransport.govt.nz/vehicle-ownership/registration.html



Please note that the registration fees provided in the above link do not include the fee charged by the TSD agent for the pre-registration inspection. You will need to contact a TSD agent/Entry Certifier for further information on the fees charged for a pre-registration inspection.



I have also attached a link to the vehicle section of the Vehicle Inspection Requirements Manual (VIRM) which you may find helpful. The VIRM is used as a guideline when issuing a WoF. This will inform you of the standards a vehicle must meet in order to pass an inspection.

www.landtransport.govt.nz/certifiers/virm-in-service/#general



Note: I suggest that before you begin the process of restoring the de-registered vehicle that you speak with a TSD agent in your area to ensure that you do have sufficient documentation to re-register the vehicle.



Regards



Senior Customer Service Representative

NZ Transport Agency

[motorbyclist]

For re-registration requirements you need to provide proof that the vehicle has previously been registered in New Zealand. This could be something like the plate number, chassis number, old licence or Warrant of Fitness (WoF) labels. T

now i asked the AA in Christchurch about that and he said that wasn't good enough<_<

[KX500]

Cheeers for the "Heads up" will avoid AA - sound strict :)

Going to an enthusiast certifier :sunny: