Auckland Supercity

[Mully]

Looks like it's all go - 2010 Auckland will become one city.

I do enjoy that Pita Sharples thinks not having Maori seats is "institutionalised racism"

So, not have race-based seats is racism.

What's that doctorate in, Pita??

Oh, and Bob Harvey can suck my balls.

[98tls]

Auckland:scratch:

[Mully]

S'alright.....

His Doctorate:

1969-76 PhD in Anthropology & Linguistics, University of Auckland

[Dave Lobster]

S'alright.....

His Doctorate:

1969-76 PhD in Anthropology & Linguistics, University of Auckland

I bet that qualification has come in handy finding work..


One big city sounds like a great idea. Heaps of money saved by getting rid of 3/4 of the chaff whose jobs will be duplicated.

Lets just hope that rates wont be going up in Rodney to subsidise Manukau/Waiheke/GBI..

[Hiflyer]

I do enjoy that Pita Sharples thinks not having Maori seats is "institutionalised racism"


thats cos Pita sharples is an attention seeking knob, he does have some good points but i dont understand how he thinks that not having to be voted into a seat isnt unfair,

like seriously, how dumb can you be, :bash:

what about the other people who had to work for their seat?

but i think this will be a good step forward for this fine city!!
:woohoo:

there was too much confusion and over-spending when we had more than one "city"


haha north shore "city" waitakere "city" . . theyre more like suburbs compared to any other countries cities

[Mully]

Agreed. I have a lot of time for Pita Sharples normally.

Maybe we should let him has his Maori seats and have "white only" seats too. See if his head will explode.

[rainman]

Just listening to John Banks wittering on about more democracy... aspirational... waffle waffle... internationally competitive.... blah blah. The quintessential media-trained talking head.

God help us all if he ends up being the uber-mayor.

[Dave Lobster]

See if his head will explode.

Fingers crossed. :)

[Mully]

Fingers crossed. :)

Are you stalking me, Mr. Lobster??

[Dave Lobster]

Are you stalking me, Mr. Lobster??

You're not the only one..
;)

[Hitcher]

Most Aucklanders currently care not a jot about the governance of their city. Indeed many are hard-pressed to reliably report on the local authority or even the suburb in which they live. This reality will not change as a result of the establishment of a "super city".

[P38]

What will change.

Cheeky Bastards want the rest of us to pay for it. Nothing new about that too.

No matter how you look at it still be full of JAFFA's! :yes:

[Hiflyer]

Cheeky Bastards want the rest of us to pay for it. Nothing new about that too.




you do realise some our taxes pay for your stuff as well? duh. and even if they didn't would you not be able to see your obviously living in the wrong place??

[Okey Dokey]

"Super-city" sounds so self-conscious and so naff; like a comic book. Can anyone think of a better term?

Uber-city, as in an earlier post

Simpli-city.

Stupour-city.

Supercalifragilisticgespealidocious-city.

Suggestions?

[Bren]

Auckland...Supercity??? or just plain SuperShitty!


It wont be any different to before, will still be a place that I avoid or drive through...

[Gubb]

No matter how you look at it still be full of JAFFA's! :yes:

At least some of us have a level of intelligence to spell an acronym correctly.

[P38]

"Super-city" sounds so self-conscious and so naff; like a comic book. Can anyone think of a better term?

Uber-city, as in an earlier post

Simpli-city.

Stupour-city.

Supercalifragilisticgespealidocious-city.

Suggestions?

Gotham city...

[P38]

At least some of us have a level of intelligence to spell an acronym correctly.

Didn't say you was stupid.

But thanks for the heads up.

[Usarka]

Most Aucklanders currently care not a jot about the governance of their city. Indeed many are hard-pressed to reliably report on the local authority or even the suburb in which they live. This reality will not change as a result of the establishment of a "super city".

Most aucklanders have given up caring.

Over half a century of agreeing "something needs to be done soon" on so many topics........

At least there will be a council where the buck doth stopeth. Of course they will still slip sideways like a KY lubed eels wanger after a fresh poke but it's a step in the right direction.

[Jantar]

Agreed. I have a lot of time for Pita Sharples normally.

Maybe we should let him has his Maori seats and have "white only" seats too. See if his head will explode.
I don't see any need for the "White Only" seats, but I can see a good reason for some "Maori Only" ones.

I would add the proviso that Maori seats should be reserved for full blooded maori only. :whistle:

[SARGE]

sorry .. i mis-read the title .. i thought it said AUCKLAND STUPIDSHITTY


i was gonna agree

[Swoop]

I do enjoy that Pita Sharples thinks not having Maori seats is "institutionalised racism"
Yeah. No "Maori only" seats? I call that democracy in action. If someone wants a seat, stand and be elected into one.

Uber-city, as in an earlier post

Simpli-city.

Stupour-city.

Supercalifragilisticgespealidocious-city.

Suggestions?
"Reich"?
It will last for a thousand years!!!! Or until the goal posts get moved yet again...

[Mom]

Most Aucklanders currently care not a jot about the governance of their city. Indeed many are hard-pressed to reliably report on the local authority or even the suburb in which they live. This reality will not change as a result of the establishment of a "super city".

I heard someone on the radio yesterday saying if any celebrity face stepped up for the job of Mayor the sheep in Auckland would vote for them just because they recognised the face. There was talk of Paul Holmes being a candidate.

I am a Rodney ratepayer, in a little town, I wonder just how loud my voice will be in the mix. Time will tell I guess.

Worse than that, I have just applied for a job in Infrastructure at the RDC, great stuff, even if sucessful, I would probably be made redundant in the merger.

[Delerium]

What I think:
I think that seats based on race; for ANY race, is seperatism based on race, which is pretty much the definition of racism. I get pissed off the racist card being played everytime an ethnic group doesnt get what it wants and gets some time with the press. You know what, me the white man (who is supposedly opressing your beleifs, way of life and is generally the cause of all evil) is over being labelled racist all the time, and finds it ironic that im being labelled racist for preventing racist policy.

I also wonder of one giant council is too big a step... Iv always thought we had too much beaurachracy, and figured 3 regons north, centeral and south was the best compromise.

[Clockwork]

I also wonder of one giant council is too big a step... Iv always thought we had too much beaurachracy, and figured 3 regons north, centeral and south was the best compromise.


I'd agree, in my experience, the bigger something gets the more bureaucratic it becomes. I doubt becoming this "super-city" will save much at all in the end.

[Winston001]

I
One big city sounds like a great idea. Heaps of money saved by getting rid of 3/4 of the chaff whose jobs will be duplicated.....



You'd think that would be the logical result. Hmmm.....

This was last done under the 1989 Local Government Commission when lots of councils all over NZ disappeared into larger new councils. At the time, we all expected rates to remain stable and the council running costs to drop. If that happened, it completely passed me by. :confused:

It didn't. Ilogical as it seems, the new councils became as expensive to operate as the combined councils which were replaced. No saving at all.

On top of that, we've had 20 years of central government putting new work on local government, especially environmental and building controls, so our rates just climb and climb.




What I think:
I think that seats based on race; for ANY race, is separatism based on race, which is pretty much the definition of racism.......

Racism occurs when one group acts prejudicially and oppressively against another group because of their skin colour, ethnicity, and/or culture.

The group in power can be in a minority, such as white South Africa.

So the separate granting of democratic power to an ethnic group is the opposite of racism.

[ManDownUnder]

No matter how you look at it still be full of JAFFA's! :yes:

Nu uh dude - we're Super JAFAs now... so best you watch it...!

[Slyer]

I love Auckland.
Also agree that there should be no seats for specific races.

[MSTRS]

Racism occurs when one group acts prejudicially and oppressively against another group because of their skin colour, ethnicity, and/or culture.

The group in power can be in a minority, such as white South Africa.

So the separate granting of democratic power to an ethnic group is the opposite of racism.

Don't agree. Racism surely describes treating differently because of colour/ethnicity. Generally used to describe poor treatment, but equally relevant when used in the context of special treatment. Like Maori-only seats etc. Racism is 'any' different treatment or request for different treatment because of race. And it is alive and well in NZ courtesy of all, Sharples et al.

[Mully]

Nu uh dude - we're Super JAFAs now... so best you watch it...!

Shhh, don't threaten him yet - wait for the revolution.

[Mully]

Don't agree. Racism surely describes treating differently because of colour/ethnicity. Generally used to describe poor treatment, but equally relevant when used in the context of special treatment. Like Maori-only seats etc. Racism is 'any' different treatment or request for different treatment because of race. And it is alive and well in NZ courtesy of all, Sharples et al.

I concur with the honourable gentleman (and with MSTRS too).

I did see a political commentator in the States ask if it was less racist to vote for Obama because he's black than it would have been to not vote for him because he's black.

[MSTRS]

I concur with the honourable gentleman (and with MSTRS too).

I did see a political commentator in the States ask if it was less racist to vote for Obama because he's black than it would have been to not vote for him because he's black.

Any vote for or against Obama because of his colour would be racist. In equal measure.

Further to my post, I would add that anything that excludes or separates because of colour etc, is racist. INclusion is the only answer...and that on the basis of merit. Nothing else.
Won't ever happen in NZ. Sharples etc will see to that.
Welcome to Apartheid, New Zealand-style.

[Maha]

Auckland...Supercity??? or just plain SuperShitty!


It wont be any different to before, will still be a place that I avoid or drive through...

So you have no desire to ever enjoy the wonders that are north of Auckland?
That means you will have pass through (albeit like a big fat turd) Auckland to do so.

[Slyer]

Any vote for or against Obama because of his colour would be racist. In equal measure.

Further to my post, I would add that anything that excludes or separates because of colour etc, is racist. INclusion is the only answer...and that on the basis of merit. Nothing else.
Won't ever happen in NZ. Sharples etc will see to that.
Welcome to Apartheid, New Zealand-style.
Agree about the merit, I use that word all the time about this sort of thing.

[Bren]

So you have no desire to ever enjoy the wonders that are north of Auckland?
That means you will have pass through (albeit like a big fat turd) Auckland to do so.

Maha, I quite often drive north of Auckland, in actual fact quite often I end up at Leigh, just past your stomping ground....and as soon as I leave Orewa behind I let out a huge sigh of relief...


My folks are up at Leigh just in case you were wondering...

[Maha]

Maha, I quite often drive north of Auckland, in actual fact quite often I end up at Leigh, just past your stomping ground....and as soon as I leave Orewa behind I let out a huge sigh of relief...


My folks are up at Leigh just in case you were wondering...

Call in anytime Bren....I am with ya on the 'leaving' bit, my attitude changes as Auckland approaches, or I approach it? but soon after (either end of the motorway) I resume the calm me.....:eek:

[Winston001]

Don't agree. Racism surely describes treating differently because of colour/ethnicity. Generally used to describe poor treatment, but equally relevant when used in the context of special treatment......

Understand how you feel but we can't just redefine words to suit our ourselves. What you refer to is "preferential treatment upon the basis of race/ethnicity". At the moment can't think of one word to sum that up, someone else may.

Oxford English Dictionary:

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Racism is pejorative. It arose in the 1930s in the context of Nazi policies of Aryan superiority, and the inferiority of other races, notably blacks and Jews.

There is no positive connotation with the word.

By all means argue against preferential treatment for Maori, no problem with that - but it aint racism. Nothing to do with it, quite the opposite.


EDIT
Just found the full OED definition which only subscribers can get:

RACE n.2 + -ISM; cf. F. racisme (Robert 1935).]

a. The theory that distinctive human characteristics and abilities are determined by race. b. = RACIALISM.

1936 L. DENNIS Coming Amer. Fascism 109 If..it be assumed that one of our values should be a type of racism which excludes certain races from citizenship, then the plan of execution should provide for the annihilation, deportation, or sterilization of the excluded races. 1938 E. & C. PAUL tr. Hirschfeld's Racism xx. 260 The apostles and energumens of racism can in all good faith give free rein to impulses of which they would be ashamed did they realise their true nature. 1940 R. BENEDICT Race: Science & Politics i. 7 Racism is an ism to which everyone in the world today is exposed. 1952 M. BERGER Equality by Statute 236 Racism, tension in industrial, urban areas. 1952 Theology LV. 283 The idolatry of our timeits setting up of nationalism, racism, vulgar materialism. 1960 New Left Rev. Jan./Feb. 21/2 George Rogers saw fit to kow-tow to the incipient racism of his electorate by including a line about getting rid of �undesirable elements�. 1964 GOULD & KOLB Dict. Social Sci. 571/2 Racism is a newer term for the word racialism... There is virtual agreement that it refers to a doctrine of racial supremacy. 1971 Ceylon Daily News (Colombo) 18 Sept. 8/5 Mr. Seneviratne is welcome to his ideal of inter-racial marriages as panacea for Racism. 1972 J. L. DILLARD Black English iii. 90 In the British sailors' reactions to the slaves.., the very early existence of racism is as well documented as the difference in language. 1974 M. FIDO R. Kipling 50/2 In The Story of Muhammad Din he wrote one of the most economical and bitter attacks on British racism ever penned. 1976 Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio) 4 Mar. A2/4 The Vatican radio said,..�Racism might have different faces but it will always be reprehensible.� 1977 M. WALKER National Front vi. 155 A strike of the Asian workers against racism in the factory.

[Usarka]

A is for Auckland, that's good enough for me
R is for ratepayers thats what we all be
S is for super that's good enough for me
E is for evil that's what our mayor will be

Merry biscuits everyone!

[98tls]

Any vote for or against Obama because of his colour would be racist. In equal measure.

Further to my post, I would add that anything that excludes or separates because of colour etc, is racist. INclusion is the only answer...and that on the basis of merit. Nothing else.
Won't ever happen in NZ. Sharples etc will see to that.
Welcome to Apartheid, New Zealand-style. Amen to that.

[P38]

Nu uh dude - we're Super JAFAs now... so best you watch it...!

Lol

Giant OJ's :laugh: