Huntly, we have a problem...

[budda]

Seems the Dark Forces have been victorious - apparently Paul Stewart ( Road Race Commissioner ) has just withdrawn his availability for the job this coming season ...... and I understand his decision stems from the long running battle waged against his success by someone we ( licenced riders ) are paying a fair old stack of cabbage to keep the show ticking over nicely.

Seems ironic that the systemic undermining and dodgy dealings are raining on the parade of the ONLY MNZ Commission thats been successful in the last few years - well, I'm presuming that success is measured by the growth in support of the Champs by both the Importers Asociation and large Corporate Sponsors, the maintenance of spectator and competitor numbers in tough economic times etc etc ...... apparently they must have a different dictionary in Huntly, otherwise WHY WOULD THE MANAGEMENT OF MNZ ALLOW THIS SORT OF CRAP TO HAPPEN - AND FOR SO LONG ?????????

if becoming 100% dysfunctional ( by sporting code ) was a long-term goal, maybe we should be applauding the Purple Circle for their obvious achievements, not wondering what the hell they were THINKING ?????????

Proof if ever it was needed that EVERY VOTE COUNTS in the upcoming Elections - USE YOURS WISELY

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

can anyone translate? I dont know ravy fool...

[CHOPPA]

Who do we have to choose from??

[roadracingoldfart]

Who do we have to choose from??


please dont let it be fucking Errol Connagan .
If he was the Comm id burn my bike.

[Clivoris]

Bummer. Paul Stewart has been doing a stand-up job. Can't blame him though. If he's had enough, that's it.

[KS34]

I'm sorry but that doesn't seem to make alot of sense to me, I would have thought MX would have been veiwed as being more successful than road racing, if you look at, junior clubs, event and rider coverage in magazines and tv coverage, event entrant numbers, general exposure etc, is there someone that can communicate with monkeys that can put all this in perspective? And as Choppa wrote who do we have to choose from.

[Billy]

Seems the Dark Forces have been victorious - apparently Paul Stewart ( Road Race Commissioner ) has just withdrawn his availability for the job this coming season ...... and I understand his decision stems from the long running battle waged against his success by someone we ( licenced riders ) are paying a fair old stack of cabbage to keep the show ticking over nicely.

Seems ironic that the systemic undermining and dodgy dealings are raining on the parade of the ONLY MNZ Commission thats been successful in the last few years - well, I'm presuming that success is measured by the growth in support of the Champs by both the Importers Asociation and large Corporate Sponsors, the maintenance of spectator and competitor numbers in tough economic times etc etc ...... apparently they must have a different dictionary in Huntly,

Yip,Had a phone call on Sunday regarding this subject and was asked too post it on here,Only I didnt see the point as most of the riders posting on this site are only interested in themselves or club racing.It would seem Paul is not only disillusioned with the lack of support from the riders but also has been undermined by the CEO and in turn had NO backing from the president.It would also appear the rest of the people behind Paul intend too step down as well meaning the National series is under real threat of being canned.Anyhow,Whats happening in the deep south Pete?Have to get down there for a beer with you at some stage

[brads]

Yip,Had a phone call on Sunday regarding this subject and was asked too post it on here,Only I didnt see the point as most of the riders posting on this site are only interested in themselves or club racing.It would seem Paul is not only disillusioned with the lack of support from the riders but also has been undermined by the CEO and in turn had NO backing from the president.It would also appear the rest of the people behind Paul intend too step down as well meaning the National series is under real threat of being canned.Anyhow,Whats happening in the deep south Pete?Have to get down there for a beer with you at some stage

When I spoke to Paul today he totally understands riders choosing to sit out the Nationals due to the hard times people are currently going through,the BIGGEST problem is indeed from the MNZ CEO,bloody shame really,as a ex rider would have thought he would be all for making this sport bigger and better.
Congtratulations Paul Stewart and your team for all the work you have done over the past few years :clap:

[scrivy]

When I spoke to Paul today he totally understands riders choosing to sit out the Nationals due to the hard times people are currently going through,the BIGGEST problem is indeed from the MNZ CEO,bloody shame really,as a ex rider would have thought he would be all for making this sport bigger and better.
Congtratulations Paul Stewart and your team for all the work you have done over the past few years :clap:

Can someone please explain to me what it is that the CEO has done to Paul?
I can't read between the lines..... I only race sidecars....... :baby:

[sidecar bob]

Can someone please explain to me what it is that the CEO has done to Paul?
I can't read between the lines..... I only race sidecars....... :baby:

Yes please, me too. We dont understand because we're a pair of dumbass munter funkers that couldnt organise a brewski in a deck chair.

[scrivy]

Yes please, me too. We dont understand because we're a pair of dumbass munter funkers that couldnt organise a brewski in a deck chair.

er.... you mean the deck chair you had on the BMW sidecar at the classic fest??? :no: :laugh:

[oyster]

I have been dealing with Paul Stewart in regard to Streetstock / junior development since his appointment about 4 years ago. He is a man of good old fashioned principles. Honesty, integrity and respect and I admire him very much. Johnny Hepburn completed this "triangle" of three people who acheived quite a lot over this time. Where it came undone, not long before Johnny's sudden resignation, was when Paul Pavletich and Sandra Perry came on board. It seemed to me at the time, and confirmed by my own dealings with
Pavletich and Sandra, that respect and dignity went out the window. I know this frustrated and hurt people like Johnny and Paul a lot. I really don't think the senior admin had any respect for road racing and the issues to be resolved. Not helping would be personal manner, Paul Pavletich has a big reputation for being insulting to people. I have a few e-mails from him that are sarcastic and bordering on abusive.

So I can understand that Paul Stewart (the man) could find this environment
frustrating, putting it politely. The small group of people that were "the engine room" of the nationals, Paul, Ian, Guy, Jim and Jim would seem to have run and managed the Nationals amost independent of MNZ admin. They described their disappointment at the the lack of support at the opening round.

A sad time as we lose a top man.

Thanks so much Paul

[sidecar bob]

I have been dealing with Paul Stewart in regard to Streetstock / junior development since his appointment about 4 years ago. He is a man of good old fashioned principles. Honesty, integrity and respect and I admire him very much. Johnny Hepburn completed this "triangle" of three people who acheived quite a lot over this time. Where it came undone, not long before Johnny's sudden resignation, was when Paul Pavletich and Sandra Perry came on board. It seemed to me at the time, and confirmed by my own dealings with
Pavletich and Sandra, that respect and dignity went out the window. I know this frustrated and hurt people like Johnny and Paul a lot. I really don't think the senior admin had any respect for road racing and the issues to be resolved. Not helping would be personal manner, Paul Pavletich has a big reputation for being insulting to people. I have a few e-mails from him that are sarcastic and bordering on abusive.

So I can understand that Paul Stewart (the man) could find this environment
frustrating, putting it politely. The small group of people that were "the engine room" of the nationals, Paul, Ian, Guy, Jim and Jim would seem to have run and managed the Nationals amost independent of MNZ admin. They described their disappointment at the the lack of support at the opening round.

A sad time as we lose a top man.

Thanks so much Paul

Which beggers the question, What the fuck are P.P & company actually being paid for if its only to be destructive.

[KS34]

Thanks for that information, Does anyone know why we are the ugly ducklings? Is it about the people at the tops preferrences.

[CHOPPA]

I dont know whats happened but just from my own dealings and conversations with Paul P he seemed like a really good guy and we had a good conversation on the way he thinks superbike racing should be going and he had some really good ideas

[FROSTY]

Is it about numbers ? ie road racing currently seems to be attracting a fraction of the entrys that MX/offroad racing is?

[sidecar bob]

Is it about numbers ? ie road racing currently seems to be attracting a fraction of the entrys that MX/offroad racing is?

Cemetary circiut, Paeroa, TRRS ?????

[FROSTY]

sorry bob but entry numbers compared to a big mx meeting are still sod all

[Kickaha]

Is it about numbers ? ie road racing currently seems to be attracting a fraction of the entrys that MX/offroad racing is?

It's been like that as long as I can remember

[sidecar bob]

Is it about numbers ? ie road racing currently seems to be attracting a fraction of the entrys that MX/offroad racing is?

They are as different as chalk & cheese, & any comparison between them is totally irrelevant.
The only common link is that they are governed by the same body, which nobody seems to know why it actually needs to exist anyway. And clearly MX is a far better money spinner for them.

[cowpoos]

Who do we have to choose from??
Someone needs to nominate Peter 'red' Fenton....and then we should all vote for him!

[Robert Taylor]

I dont know whats happened but just from my own dealings and conversations with Paul P he seemed like a really good guy and we had a good conversation on the way he thinks superbike racing should be going and he had some really good ideas

Choppa, dont be fooled. This is the same guy that told a meeting of distributors that ''they were putting peanuts into racing'' They were very insulted and its only because of good people such as Paul Stewart, Warren New and Guy Merewether that they didnt collectively pull out on the spot.
Paul has good intentions but the way he wants to go about it demonstrates that he either doesnt know about the suspension and tyre interaction dynamics of high powered race bikes or doesnt want to know.
MNZ is supposed to be a democracy, its not, its an autocracy.

[Robert Taylor]

Is it about numbers ? ie road racing currently seems to be attracting a fraction of the entrys that MX/offroad racing is?

It always has attracted a fraction compared to puddle jumpers and probably always will because its a more technical sport and always has been.
It seems that some people are advocating ill though out changes because of thin fields. But has anyone watched Formula Ford and Toyota Racing Series on the box very recently? The fields are thin in many auto racing classes as well.

[Robert Taylor]

They are as different as chalk & cheese, & any comparison between them is totally irrelevant.
The only common link is that they are governed by the same body, which nobody seems to know why it actually needs to exist anyway. And clearly MX is a far better money spinner for them.

Assisted by the money that has been raped from road racing, another reason for yesterdays resignation.

[Robert Taylor]

Someone needs to nominate Peter 'red' Fenton....and then we should all vote for him!

Yes, that would be a great choice, I will talk to him. Anyone that attains the position will either have to be a puppet to the Ayotollah at the top or be prepared to go into battle and stand fast.

[KS34]

I take it by your comment Robert that Peter Fenton is a stand fast and fight sort of guy.

[rastus]

Maybe us dumb arse riders need to show Paul more support. The AGM is the place for this to happen but in the meantime let Paul know that we all support both him and his band of merry men. We whole heartedly do not support what is happening here. Come on guys swamp MNZ office with your emails to support Paul and his crew. No good will come out of whats happening here. I know Shaun Harris tried to warn us all a few years ago that this would happen. Well pull finger out and let MNZ know what you want and how it should be!!!! PAUL STEWART AND HIS CREW. :no:

[cs363]

Choppa, dont be fooled. This is the same guy that told a meeting of distributors that ''they were putting peanuts into racing'' They were very insulted and its only because of good people such as Paul Stewart, Warren New and Guy Merewether that they didnt collectively pull out on the spot.
Paul has good intentions but the way he wants to go about it demonstrates that he either doesnt know about the suspension and tyre interaction dynamics of high powered race bikes or doesnt want to know.
MNZ is supposed to be a democracy, its not, its an autocracy.

+1 On that. The really laughable part is that from what I gather 'that guy' (PP) is the very reason that many distributors and other likely sponsors aren't more involved than they are now, economic climate etc excepted.
And anyway the reality of the NZ motorcycling scene is that most if not all of the bike and accessory distributors are small businesses without the huge budgets that some seem to think they have at their disposal.
Both organisers/promoters and individual riders and teams should be looking outside the motorcycle industry for any major backing not only for the bigger dollars that are often available, but also the marketing clout and network contacts that most of the big corporates have It's amazing the deals that can be done with inter connected companies, often it's just a case of knowing (or getting to know) the right people.
It's much easier for motorcycle industry companies to put money into off-road racing as that is much closer to their core market which is of course the rural sector. As most of us realise bike distributors wouldn't exist without ATV & farm bike sales, so it makes sense to support a sport that has roots in and often depends upon the farming sector for both financial and land access support.

[sidecar bob]

Does Mr Stewart need MNZ? Do any of us actually NEED MNZ? what do they do for us that we arent already doing for ourselves?
Serious questions which need serious answers.

[cs363]

It always has attracted a fraction compared to puddle jumpers and probably always will because its a more technical sport and always has been.
It seems that some people are advocating ill though out changes because of thin fields. But has anyone watched Formula Ford and Toyota Racing Series on the box very recently? The fields are thin in many auto racing classes as well.

Not to totally disagree, but the car racing scene is much healthier than watching those two classes would have you think. The TRS series has been affected by a shortage of drivers with the suitable skills as well as and more to the point a lack of sponsorship $$ for what is not a cheap class of racing.
Sponsors not wanting to put money into a class that does not receive as much mainstream coverage.
Conversely the Porsche series has been attracting drivers due to a combination of better signage space on the cars, a car the public and sponsors can identify with that's loud, fast and exciting. Add to this the opportunities available to drivers to compete overseas in similar Porsche series overseas and you can see why it's so successful as a worldwide series.

The NZV8's are suffering a little, due in no small part to the sheer number of major sponsors and team owners involved in the building trade which of course is suffering a tad right now. But...most of the club level and meetings just down the tier from the premier series above are generally well supported, at least by competitors if not spectators.

Right now MNZ needs to have good people working together to improve the sport and cut through the red tape and do whatever it takes to get decent money involved, so that facilities & safety can be upgraded where required, get a top notch promoter involved get decent, exciting TV coverage and engage the public's excitement.
We need outward looking people with can do attitudes rather than inward looking meddlers.

[Robert Taylor]

I take it by your comment Robert that Peter Fenton is a stand fast and fight sort of guy.

Yes, but then I probably need to clarify what really should be a rigid etiquette......its probably not so appropriate for current competitors, team owners and commercial suppliers / service providers within racing to stand for positions within MNZ. Conflict of interest.

[FROSTY]

Assisted by the money that has been raped from road racing, another reason for yesterdays resignation.
we were warned this would happen remember.

[Robert Taylor]

Not to totally disagree, but the car racing scene is much healthier than watching those two classes would have you think. The TRS series has been affected by a shortage of drivers with the suitable skills as well as and more to the point a lack of sponsorship $$ for what is not a cheap class of racing.
Sponsors not wanting to put money into a class that does not receive as much mainstream coverage.
Conversely the Porsche series has been attracting drivers due to a combination of better signage space on the cars, a car the public and sponsors can identify with that's loud, fast and exciting. Add to this the opportunities available to drivers to compete overseas in similar Porsche series overseas and you can see why it's so successful as a worldwide series.

The NZV8's are suffering a little, due in no small part to the sheer number of major sponsors and team owners involved in the building trade which of course is suffering a tad right now. But...most of the club level and meetings just down the tier from the premier series above are generally well supported, at least by competitors if not spectators.

Right now MNZ needs to have good people working together to improve the sport and cut through the red tape and do whatever it takes to get decent money involved, so that facilities & safety can be upgraded where required, get a top notch promoter involved get decent, exciting TV coverage and engage the public's excitement.
We need outward looking people with can do attitudes rather than inward looking meddlers.

Actually yes youre right, I hadnt taken stock of the numbers in Porsche racing and the advantages. Plus theyre a heck of a lot better to watch. Equally GT racing has surprising numbers and a lot of money spent, even if that lovely Ohlins suspended TVR still keeps smoking them!

When the bikes ran with the cars at Nationals a few seasons back it was largely a mistake, but the car people were stunned at the speed and excitement of the bikes.

[cowpoos]

Yes, but then I probably need to clarify what really should be a rigid etiquette......its probably not so appropriate for current competitors, team owners and commercial suppliers / service providers within racing to stand for positions within MNZ. Conflict of interest.
while your right...from a ethical point of veiw.

From the point of the best persons/people for a job...sometimes...somethings need to be over looked for the greater good!!

and the Politically correct/ethical point of view...in this instance...ain't for the greater good...IMHO

[ricey]

I can bet you anything you like, there will be a new series starting up, and it will be away from MNZ. Paul Stewart has done heaps for RR, I wish we had him for MX. You guys were so lucky, this is a major loss to you all.

Sometimes you don't know what you have, until it's gone.

[Mishy]

Paul Stewart has done heaps for RR, I wish we had him for MX. You guys were so lucky, this is a major loss to you all.

Sometimes you don't know what you have, until it's gone.

Never a truer word spoken.
Respect to Paul for his dedication, effort,and integrity. That's a lot more than I can say for his "boss" - deliberately undermining his position in the press, and totally at odds with the industry he expects to finance his plans.
Twat.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Without reading into it too much, it seems largely like Paul Stewarts 'boss' needs to be removed from the MNZ, as it sounds like he his causing more damage than good.

What will it take to get him out if that would be beneficial?

[cowpoos]

Without reading into it too much, it seems largely like Paul Stewarts 'boss' needs to be removed from the MNZ, as it sounds like he his causing more damage than good.

What will it take to get him out if that would be beneficial?
vote of no confidence I suppose...but not sure how the constitution set up. go have a read on the MNZ website...might be there some where.

[FROSTY]

Without reading into it too much, it seems largely like Paul Stewarts 'boss' needs to be removed from the MNZ, as it sounds like he his causing more damage than good.

What will it take to get him out if that would be beneficial?
Heres the question though --Who would replace him?
I dunno that its exactly a well paid job.
Also what does the racing community need from its governing body?
Please note I say NEED not want.

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perhaps its time to review the intended role played by MNZ and look to see where or indeed if we are off track.

[Billy]

Heres the question though --Who would replace him?
I dunno that its exactly a well paid job.
Wrong.Its actually a very well paid position.I do know the exact figure but dont want to risk being nailed for disclosing it publicly,But it is a 6 figure salary.Also as I have been led too believe it is under an employment contract and he cannot be voted out by anybody other than the board

[Robert Taylor]

while your right...from a ethical point of veiw.

From the point of the best persons/people for a job...sometimes...somethings need to be over looked for the greater good!!

and the Politically correct/ethical point of view...in this instance...ain't for the greater good...IMHO

I hear what you are saying but what if a current team owner was the commissioner and there was a protest affecting his team?

[Robert Taylor]

Heres the question though --Who would replace him?
I dunno that its exactly a well paid job.
Also what does the racing community need from its governing body?
Please note I say NEED not want.

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perhaps its time to review the intended role played by MNZ and look to see where or indeed if we are off track.

Andrew Stroud.

[Robert Taylor]

Wrong.Its actually a very well paid position.I do know the exact figure but dont want to risk being nailed for disclosing it publicly,But it is a 6 figure salary.Also as I have been led too believe it is under an employment contract and he cannot be voted out by anybody other than the board

If enough MNZ members expressed no confidence then the position would become untenable.

[Robert Taylor]

I can bet you anything you like, there will be a new series starting up, and it will be away from MNZ. Paul Stewart has done heaps for RR, I wish we had him for MX. You guys were so lucky, this is a major loss to you all.

Sometimes you don't know what you have, until it's gone.

If Paul Stewarts ex boss got his way with his looniest ideas it would be A CERTAINTY that the big 3 distributors who put a lot of money into the sport would pull out. He is alreday effectively ''on notice'' re their goodwill over historical derogatory comments about their level of support.

[Robert Taylor]

Wrong.Its actually a very well paid position.I do know the exact figure but dont want to risk being nailed for disclosing it publicly,But it is a 6 figure salary.Also as I have been led too believe it is under an employment contract and he cannot be voted out by anybody other than the board

Indeed, which kind of makes it even worse to realise that for all of the cr.p that Paul Stewart had put up with ( plus all the very good work he did ) he was totally unpaid barring expenses.
Paul Stewart is a man of honour with old world sensibilities and etiquette. He deserves the highest respect.

[ricey]

I hear what you are saying but what if a current team owner was the commissioner and there was a protest affecting his team?

Here's your answer, well said I might add.

Paul Stewart is a man of honour with old world sensibilities and etiquette.

[FROSTY]

I stand corrected Billy.
If that is indeed the case then again I go back to What is the role MNZ needs to play and how are they better able to serve that role.
If that is the case then is it better to have a person with a love of our sport up there in the most senior position OR
Perhaps a professional manager or promotions person with proven track record for perfomance.?

[Scouse]

Choppa, dont be fooled. This is the same guy that told a meeting of distributors that ''they were putting peanuts into racing'' They were very insulted and its only because of good people such as Paul Stewart, Warren New and Guy Merewether that they didnt collectively pull out on the spot.
Paul has good intentions but the way he wants to go about it demonstrates that he either doesnt know about the suspension and tyre interaction dynamics of high powered race bikes or doesnt want to know.
MNZ is supposed to be a democracy, its not, its an autocracy.Piss off your only worried that if Pav has his way you will loose business because every thing will be stock standard and suspension Mods amongst many other expensive modifications will not be allowed in order to keep the cost down, this has got to be better than what is happening now. Look if all you need is a standard bike, then this will allow the likes of young guys who don't have any sponsor money, to compete on a level playing field. All they will need is the $20,000 bike. at the moment the sport is very elitist with only those that have sponsors with deep pockets are able to place in the top rankings. Stewart needs to realise that the sport needs privateers to be able to compete. if this means that after market parts dealers are a casualty of this, tough shit.

[cowpoos]

Andrew Stroud.
Actually...Now that I think about it. I'd second that.

[Scouse]

If Paul Stewarts ex boss got his way with his looniest ideas it would be A CERTAINTY that the big 3 distributors who put a lot of money into the sport would pull out. He is alreday effectively ''on notice'' re their goodwill over historical derogatory comments about their level of support.Oh yes if I were you robert taylor I would be very carefull about disscussing someones confidential employment status on an open internet forum.

[FROSTY]

Hey folks I'm hearing you guys up in arms.
BUT Wasn't Paul S discussing retiring as RRC 2 years ago ?
Im not saying that recent events havent galvanised him into action but are we sure he wasn't going to go anyway ?

[Robert Taylor]

Piss off your only worried that if Pav has his way you will loose business because every thing will be stock standard and suspension Mods amongst many other expensive modifications will not be allowed in order to keep the cost down, this has got to be better than what is happening now. Look if all you need is a standard bike, then this will allow the likes of young guys who don't have any sponsor money, to compete on a level playing field. All they will need is the $20,000 bike. at the moment the sport is very elitist with only those that have sponsors with deep pockets are able to place in the top rankings. Stewart needs to realise that the sport needs privateers to be able to compete. if this means that after market parts dealers are a casualty of this, tough shit.

Ill take it that from your less than endearing remarks that like the said character you actually know very little about the interaction of tyres and suspension with modern high powered motorcycles. Lucky that there are people within MNZ that actually do, including Paul Stewart.
There are many very well subscribed series such as VMCC, the Nationals are elite, like any sporting codes.

[Robert Taylor]

Oh yes if I were you robert taylor I would be very carefull about disscussing someones confidential employment status on an open internet forum.

Statement of fact and common knowledge in the industry. The said person is not employed by the industry but if he chooses to upset those who put in the most funding then hes got to accept that he has made the bed that he has to lie on. I have no qualms in directly saying that he has to go.

[Scouse]

Ill take it that from your less than endearing remarks that like the said character you actually know very little about the interaction of tyres and suspension with modern high powered motorcycles. Lucky that there are people within MNZ that actually do, including Paul Stewart.
There are many very well subscribed series such as VMCC, the Nationals are elite, like any sporting codes.You are just looking at it from your perspective, which is that if production racing becomes exactly that ie bikes as they come of the production line, you stand to lose business so in reality you are just looking at it from a position of self interest.

[cowpoos]

You are just looking at it from your perspective, which is that if production racing becomes exactly that ie bikes as they come of the production line, you stand to lose business so in reality you are just looking at it from a position of self interest.
Nah....think you might find you'd loose a heap of riders dude.

I could show you why some day at a track...I'll bring a 2x divers weight belts...and we'll experiment with your bikes handling by adding weight to different area's. you'll see the wheat for the chaff pretty quick!!

[Robert Taylor]

You are just looking at it from your perspective, which is that if production racing becomes exactly that ie bikes as they come of the production line, you stand to lose business so in reality you are just looking at it from a position of self interest.

Wells thats whats in your pipe and you are smoking it. Im actually looking at it from the perspective of the whole industry, bike suppliers and parts suppliers and all the hundreds of people they employ. There are also many many sound technical reasons why you have to make a production motorcycle and its intercation with tyres and its own stability more suitable for the track. But no need to repeat myself again.
I think that Ive got the interests of hundreds of people at heart, hardly selfish and not afraid to speak out.

[Scouse]

Wells thats whats in your pipe and you are smoking it. Im actually looking at it from the perspective of the whole industry, bike suppliers and parts suppliers and all the hundreds of people they employ. There are also many many sound technical reasons why you have to make a production motorcycle and its intercation with tyres and its own stability more suitable for the track. But no need to repeat myself again.
I think that Ive got the interests of hundreds of people at heart, hardly selfish and not afraid to speak out.Production races should be about the riders and their motorcycles, and not the performance accessories industry for fuck sake we are in a recession. the young up and coming riders that do not have substantial sponsorships who earn less than $30,000 per year can not afford expensive suspension and engine mods, this is why in road racing the field is dwindling.

[GSVR]

Choppa, dont be fooled. This is the same guy that told a meeting of distributors that ''they were putting peanuts into racing'' They were very insulted and its only because of good people such as Paul Stewart, Warren New and Guy Merewether that they didnt collectively pull out on the spot.
Paul has good intentions but the way he wants to go about it demonstrates that he either doesnt know about the suspension and tyre interaction dynamics of high powered race bikes or doesnt want to know.
MNZ is supposed to be a democracy, its not, its an autocracy.


Ill take it that from your less than endearing remarks that like the said character you actually know very little about the interaction of tyres and suspension with modern high powered motorcycles. Lucky that there are people within MNZ that actually do, including Paul Stewart.
There are many very well subscribed series such as VMCC, the Nationals are elite, like any sporting codes.

This interaction of which you speak. At what power level is a motorcycle considered to be "high powered" ? and what year did motocycles become modern?

I would hazard a guess to say that theres possibly less than a handful or less in New Zealand that understand these interactions and by their own admition its more an experimental than exact science. Lucky riders have you guys looking after them or there would be carnage!

[Scouse]

I think that Ive got the interests of hundreds of people at heart, hardly selfish and not afraid to speak out.who is that then? yourself the ohlins dealer and maybe the Yoshimura dealer? Oh I forgot and Paul Stewart who is the father inlaw of the Yoshimura dealer that adds up to three by my calculations.

[Tony.OK]

Production races should be about the riders and their motorcycles, and not the performance accessories industry for fuck sake we are in a recession. the young up and coming riders that do not have substantial sponsorships who earn less than $30,000 per year can not afford expensive suspension and engine mods, this is why in road racing the field is dwindling.

So whats stopping anyone from competing on a stock bike at the moment? If they are good they would still be ahead of last place.
Protwin is about as close to production racing as you can get and the numbers there are hardly staggering.
Most people I've met start out with stock and soon realise they want to go faster, and in any sport that means spending money.

I've ridden mine stock and a rear tyre didn't even last a day at pace, change of shock and I can get 3 days from a rear now. Initial outlay gets recouped pretty quick if you are at the track often,

[Shaun P]

who is that then? yourself the ohlins dealer and maybe the Yoshimura dealer? that adds up to two by my calculations.

Dude give it up you are getting nowhere and your opinions are not shared by anyone else who considers themselves a serious racer. There are other classes that cater for less expensive suspension mods, but allow some mods to get a balance to the bike.

Also put it into perspective if we are talking superbike/ss here the allowed suspension mods are a small cost compared to the cost to set up a bike, tyres, fuel, travel etc.

Also there are alot of trackdays around now to cater for non serious std bikes in any form so I dont really see the point of your personal attacks.

[CHOPPA]

Production races should be about the riders and their motorcycles, and not the performance accessories industry for fuck sake we are in a recession. the young up and coming riders that do not have substantial sponsorships who earn less than $30,000 per year can not afford expensive suspension and engine mods, this is why in road racing the field is dwindling.

I can understand what you are saying and maybe you cant break into the top 5 or something but i can assure you if someone has the ability to ride theres nothing stopping them doing extremely well on a bog stock standard bike. The suspension and cost thing is more of an excuse people use because but i dont see anyone actually giving it a go at racing on standard bikes so if the rules were changed i doubt they would be there as well.

My point is you can win a club day on a standard bike but you still only see maybe 5 1000cc bikes at a club day...

Id like to see the rules with totally standard engines as this is where the money lies. I purchased a insurance write off of the latest 600 for 7k spent 5k on the best suspension and put some race glass and an exhaust on it. Thats 15k.

Suspension is approx 5k and in the big picture if thats the only mod you have to do then great!

Motor work to get 200hp.... Maybe 20k...

[Scouse]

I can understand what you are saying and maybe you cant break into the top 5 or something but i can assure you if someone has the ability to ride theres nothing stopping them doing extremely well on a bog stock standard bike. The suspension and cost thing is more of an excuse people use because but i dont see anyone actually giving it a go at racing on standard bikes so if the rules were changed i doubt they would be there as well.

My point is you can win a club day on a standard bike but you still only see maybe 5 1000cc bikes at a club day...

Id like to see the rules with totally standard engines as this is where the money lies. I purchased a insurance write off of the latest 600 for 7k spent 5k on the best suspension and put some race glass and an exhaust on it. Thats 15k.

Suspension is approx 5k and in the big picture if thats the only mod you have to do then great!

Motor work to get 200hp.... Maybe 20k...I agree with you Slone I have also mentioned engine mods in my posts as well as suspension, my point is that some of the young guys struggle to afford their bike so to expect them to fork out another 5k for suspension that's a quarter of the value of the whole fooking bike that's still quite a lot of dosh when most the young guys are lucky if they are earning 30k, and possibly paying off a hp loan on their bikes.

[scracha]

Actually...Now that I think about it. I'd second that.
Do we really want another motorcycle racer (put) in that position? Not all great footballers make good football managers you know. :innocent:

[Robert Taylor]

This interaction of which you speak. At what power level is a motorcycle considered to be "high powered" ? and what year did motocycles become modern?

I would hazard a guess to say that theres possibly less than a handful or less in New Zealand that understand these interactions and by there own admition its more an experimental than exact science. Lucky riders have you guys looking after them or there would be carnage!

No need to split hairs as such but if the said motorcycle has enough power or chassis deficiencies to constantly screw tyres then work is required. There is no exact line in the sand.
Yes indeed only a handful understand at the highest level, that is why we have had successful seminars and why we will also help anyone that asks. Heck if Id managed to charge for a lot of intellectual property and empirical knowledge that I have passed on Id be wealthy. Try getting a suspension tuners help for free in the first world economies....
The science is a little bit more precise than you intimate, its just that there are those of us always pushing the boundaries to find better settings. And there are those who want to take that element away, at the top level.
As someone else has said we are in a recession, all the more reason to be doing your best to prolong tyre life, one of the biggest single ongoing costs with high performance motorcycles. Fact.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Piss off your only worried that if Pav has his way you will loose business because every thing will be stock standard and suspension Mods amongst many other expensive modifications will not be allowed in order to keep the cost down, this has got to be better than what is happening now. Look if all you need is a standard bike, then this will allow the likes of young guys who don't have any sponsor money, to compete on a level playing field. All they will need is the $20,000 bike. at the moment the sport is very elitist with only those that have sponsors with deep pockets are able to place in the top rankings. Stewart needs to realise that the sport needs privateers to be able to compete. if this means that after market parts dealers are a casualty of this, tough shit.

While I agree that a production class running within a class at club level is certainly option I feel looking into to make club racing more accessible I don't feel that national level race classes are in need of that change.

How ever, I beg to differ from the above highlighted sentence. At the moment I feel everyone Thinks they need huge sponsors and the latest and greatest to win. This maybe true for Nationals, but the idea of nationals is supposed to be the creme of NZ racers fighting it out and the riders 99.9% of the time have earned their ride.
At a club level I know for a fact that someone can go out on a 5 year old bike and win, so long as they have the abilities to do so. On another note I feel the riders abilities go far beyond just being able to ride a bike. A good rider with the right attitude and determination will do what ever it takes to succeed with their racing, and people who know what they are on about will see that, people that have no clue will think they have just been given it. I don't know of ANY top level racer in NZ that hasn't worked there damned hardest to get where they are, and people need to shut the hell up, stop winging about it being to hard to win and fight for it if they want it.

It is certainly not entirely an elitist sport, some just see it that way.



I agree with you Slone I have also mentioned engine mods in my posts as well as suspension, my point is that some of the young guys struggle to afford their bike so to expect them to fork out another 5k for suspension that's a quarter of the value of the whole fooking bike that's still quite a lot of dosh when most the young guys are lucky if they are earning 30k, and possibly paying off a hp loan on their bikes.

If a young rider works hard, has the determination and drive to succeed and obviously skill on a bike, it will be recognised and they will be supported. I know this for a fact as I am young(er) broke as ever, giving racing my best damn shot and the amount of support I have received is just phenomenal.

People need to stop winging, stop 'dumming down racing' and stop expecting everything on a platter. HTFU and earn your ride if you want it that bad.

[Robert Taylor]

I can understand what you are saying and maybe you cant break into the top 5 or something but i can assure you if someone has the ability to ride theres nothing stopping them doing extremely well on a bog stock standard bike. The suspension and cost thing is more of an excuse people use because but i dont see anyone actually giving it a go at racing on standard bikes so if the rules were changed i doubt they would be there as well.

My point is you can win a club day on a standard bike but you still only see maybe 5 1000cc bikes at a club day...

Id like to see the rules with totally standard engines as this is where the money lies. I purchased a insurance write off of the latest 600 for 7k spent 5k on the best suspension and put some race glass and an exhaust on it. Thats 15k.

Suspension is approx 5k and in the big picture if thats the only mod you have to do then great!

Motor work to get 200hp.... Maybe 20k...

Its not only the initial cost of building the engine Sloan, the lifespan between stripdowns gets extended enormously as there is much less stress on the components, especially from higher revs. Race exhausts and mapping would still be neccessary, both in terms of replacement cost if it slides down the road and to smoothen the power curve so it doesnt destabilise the chassis too much.

[brads]

Piss off your only worried that if Pav has his way you will loose business because every thing will be stock standard and suspension Mods amongst many other expensive modifications will not be allowed in order to keep the cost down, this has got to be better than what is happening now. Look if all you need is a standard bike, then this will allow the likes of young guys who don't have any sponsor money, to compete on a level playing field. All they will need is the $20,000 bike. at the moment the sport is very elitist with only those that have sponsors with deep pockets are able to place in the top rankings. Stewart needs to realise that the sport needs privateers to be able to compete. if this means that after market parts dealers are a casualty of this, tough shit.

Couldnt be more wrong there,making everything standard will NOT level the playing field,the fast guys will be faster,the old story of "if only I had the same bike as him" is usaually said by people who are looking for excuses as to why they are not beating peaple they said they would.
Making the rules completely standard is bullshit.With front and rear suspension mods,slip on exhaust,pc,brake lines and no motor mods you can be more than competitive,if you know how to ride.

[Maarty]

Piss off your only worried that if Pav has his way you will loose business because every thing will be stock standard and suspension Mods amongst many other expensive modifications will not be allowed in order to keep the cost down, this has got to be better than what is happening now. Look if all you need is a standard bike, then this will allow the likes of young guys who don't have any sponsor money, to compete on a level playing field. All they will need is the $20,000 bike. at the moment the sport is very elitist with only those that have sponsors with deep pockets are able to place in the top rankings. Stewart needs to realise that the sport needs privateers to be able to compete. if this means that after market parts dealers are a casualty of this, tough shit.

You are a mooron!

When did this become about Robert?
Robert has had the pleasure of dealing with Paul Stewart for many years, as have I, and for a tosser like you to hijack a thread about a hugely respected member of our road race family to have a dig at another highly respected family member shows what a complete arse-wipe you are.
Paul was a true gentleman ,and in his own strange way, so is Robert. Stop making your party political broardcasts and get back to the real issue here. Without Paul, Guy, Jim and Jim, were are on a very slippery slope indeed.
As for Red Fenton, I think he would have enough intergrity to remove himself from conflict should it involve his team, He is a good guy. With Stroudy they could be a new force!
Finally, good on you Robert for not biting at such ignorant slanderious suggestions and good on you and everyone else for showing your support for Paul Stewart. A good and decent man put in an untenable position!

[brads]

who is that then? yourself the ohlins dealer and maybe the Yoshimura dealer? Oh I forgot and Paul Stewart who is the father inlaw of the Yoshimura dealer that adds up to three by my calculations.

Shit, and heres me thinking that MAT MLADIN IMPORTS is the yoshi importer

[Scouse]

You are a mooron!

When did this become about Robert?
Robert has had the pleasure of dealing with Paul Stewart for many years, as have I, and for a tosser like you to hijack a thread about a hugely respected member of our road race family to have a dig at another highly respected family member shows what a complete arse-wipe you are.
Paul was a true gentleman ,and in his own strange way, so is Robert. Stop making your party political broardcasts and get back to the real issue here. Without Paul, Guy, Jim and Jim, were are on a very slippery slope indeed.
As for Red Fenton, I think he would have enough intergrity to remove himself from conflict should it involve his team, He is a good guy. With Stroudy they could be a new force!
Finally, good on you Robert for not biting at such ignorant slanderious suggestions and good on you and everyone else for showing your support for Paul Stewart. A good and decent man put in an untenable position!Here's a hint, if you don't know how to spell "moron" don't use it to call someone a "moron" as you only make yourself look like a "retarded foolish moron" and complete fuckstain for doing so. You could try using words with fewer letters in them so that your pea sized brain is given some chance to get your message across, without looking like a total dick-wad. Oh and by the way you started the name calling so don't start sniveling about it.

[Maarty]

Here's a hint, if you don't know how to spell "moron" don't use it to call someone a "moron" as you only make yourself look like a "foolish moron" and complete fuckstain for doing so. Oh and by the way you started the name calling so don't start sniveling about it.

'O', please add in the required places!
I stand by my comments though.

[Scouse]

I stand by my comments though.What with a zimmer frame?

[cowpoos]

It is certainly not entirely an elitist sport, some just see it that way.



Great post Glen...its so impressive how much you have matured over the last few years I've known you.

anyway...I'm going to make a statement.

the SOME that see it as a elitist sport...do need to get over it...they DO NOT have what it takes...they are making excuse's for being slow.

The sad truth is...is that as far as motorcycle racing goes, like any sport...you either have the talent...which comes out very quickly...and progress's fast...or you don't!! so if you don't...stop crying not fair...and start enjoying your sport...and get used to not winning!!
Thats the hard truth...no amount of slow laps will make you fast!!

So if that slow person is you...think about it!!

[cowpoos]

Here's a hint, if you don't know how to spell "moron" don't use it to call someone a "moron" as you only make yourself look like a "retarded foolish moron" and complete fuckstain for doing so. You could try using words with fewer letters in them so that your pea sized brain is given some chance to get your message across, without looking like a total dick-wad. Oh and by the way you started the name calling so don't start sniveling about it.
Not being able to spell a word...doesn't mean he can't say it...how oes that work.


anyway...we should get back on subject.

and...just what are you credentials on this subject...its well known who many of the others are who are posting on this thread.

[Robert Taylor]

Not being able to spell a word...doesn't mean he can't say it...how oes that work.


anyway...we should get back on subject.

and...just what are you credentials on this subject...its well known who many of the others are who are posting on this thread.

It is a shame both when people hide behind a shroud and get nasty with heavy use of expletives when backed into a corner. Thats not ''holier than thou'', its just that there are still some standards that should be upheld. I use such language from time to time, the decent thing is knowing where its not appropriate to use it.
But back onto subject....as I understand it Paul Stewart resigned in part because the unpaid time he expended was impinging more and more on his fulltime paid work. But predominantly he resigned because he was getting heaps of interference from above despite the fact he was working democratically and somewhat diligently within his brief. Inarguably he had a very very good grasp of his subject.
I know it and a good many others know it that the problem is at the top. There is a lack of understanding that when you are in that position you are the spokesperson for the democatically agreed policies within MNZ. If that fact cannot be accepted then its not appropriate to continue in such a position.

[cowpoos]

Oh yes if I were you robert taylor I would be very carefull about disscussing someones confidential employment status on an open internet forum.

I think i know why your so emotive about this....and that is the reason why your opinions are now probally now to be taken with a grain or two???

Found this in another thread


Hi All Manukau City / South Auckland Bikers

Justs a quick plug for my good freind and CEO of Motorcycling New Zealand
Paul Pavletich. Paul has put himself up for the Manukau city Mayoralty.

Paul Pavletitch the CEO of MNZ is a very Close personal freind of mine He took the Job at Mnz Because he is passonate about motor cycles and has a genuine inerest in ensuring that all who ride motorcycles can continue to do so with the minimum of regulation somtimes that means you have to cover your bases but this is done so that the general public only see us in a good light we both have riden motorcycles since we were 15 years old and Paul has raced bikes succesfully winning many Auckland and National Titles aswell as winning the castrol 2 hour and 6 hour events. Before taking on the Job at MNZ Paul was operations Manager At the largest Food beverage liquor and tobacco Distribution company in New Zealand Covering branches in Whangerai Auckland Hamilton Tauranga Rotorua and Gisbourn. All of this managment experience will be of great benefit to any city manager.

So I am asking for all of us south Auckland bikers to support and vote for Paul Pavletich for Mayor of Manukau City


So I'm guessing thats why you have your heckles up?

[Mishy]

the young up and coming riders that do not have substantial sponsorships who earn less than $30,000 per year can not afford expensive suspension and engine mods, this is why in road racing the field is dwindling.

Wrong - just wrong. The big cost is the bike, and you just can't get away from that. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING stopping someone riding a near stock bike - as we did a couple of years ago with jay Lawrence on an R6, and while his results were good, the tyres lasted 20 laps max, and it was an unstable pile at the pace he rides at.
If there are guys out there that want to race in 600 SP, but don't want to spend the "big bucks" there are LOTS of ways of cutting costs, and still producing a good enough bike. The vast majority of the work the top guys do is only ever going to get small improvements, and the top bikes are not light years faster than the ones lower down the field.
We had GREAT numbers out in the 600 SP class for most of last season, and no matter how much you piss and moan, the class works.

[Mishy]

who is that then? yourself the ohlins dealer and maybe the Yoshimura dealer? Oh I forgot and Paul Stewart who is the father inlaw of the Yoshimura dealer that adds up to three by my calculations.

behind the scenes you will find that Paul has a good rapport with the motorcycle and accessory importers. Robert is very vocal, but his opinions are shared by many within the industry. My own position gives me a significant insight into this, and i will tell you for nothing that your calculations are without foundation.
Never forget - as a whole we motorcyclists are looking more and more to the motorcycle industry to put more into our sport financially. Just look at Reds proposal, or many other posts saying "we just need to get the importers to put more in, like. . . . . or sponsor us for ....... if we do well " well - why would they when motorcyclists are also looking to cut the market in half ? reduce the market, and you should expect us to reduce our input - simple.
The current rules work pretty well, and there is scope to compete without building a bike to the utter limit of the laws. Without the goodwill of the industry the sport will be much worse off, so i suggest you stop bagging those who feed your sport.

[Scouse]

I think i know why your so emotive about this....and that is the reason why your opinions are now probally now to be taken with a grain or two???

Found this in another thread




So I'm guessing thats why you have your heckles up?Yea just like mr budda is a mate of Paul Stewart but then your not really interested in that fact are you because it does not suit your agenda

[White trash]

Yea just like mr budda is a mate of Paul Stewart but then your not really interested in that fact are you because it does not suit your agenda
It's all good. This is a public forum and everyone has opinions, that's why it's interesting. Especially when the opinions differ.

However, take a read back through the contibutions to this thread, count the pro Paul S posters versus the pro Paul P posters, and see where the majority lies.

As this very website represents not only the biggest cross section of motorcyclists in NZ, but the largest single gathering of road racers and professionals associated with the sport, a democratic organization such as MNZ would surely take note and decide it's time for a change.

You can slag RT and "The Yoshimura" dealer as much as you like for having a so called vsted interest, but the fact remains that the majority of racers and contributors throw all their money at this sport with very little reward and no commercial gain. They aggree with these sentiments.

[ajturbo]

But has anyone watched Formula Ford and Toyota Racing Series on the box very recently? The fields are thin in many auto racing classes as well.


HOW DARE YOU WATCH CAR RACING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bash:

wow that was helpful in this forum ...

so now is the time for a change...
set up our own insurance, race-format...

and not have to pay the mnz a fee.. therefore we can then put that money into prise money???

fuck what would i know.. i ride (cough) a buell....

[Scouse]

It's all good. This is a public forum and everyone has opinions, that's why it's interesting. Especially when the opinions differ.

However, take a read back through the contibutions to this thread, count the pro Paul S posters versus the pro Paul P posters, and see where the majority lies.

As this very website represents not only the biggest cross section of motorcyclists in NZ, but the largest single gathering of road racers and professionals associated with the sport, a democratic organization such as MNZ would surely take note and decide it's time for a change.

You can slag RT and "The Yoshimura" dealer as much as you like for having a so called vsted interest, but the fact remains that the majority of racers and contributors throw all their money at this sport with very little reward and no commercial gain. They aggree with these sentiments.Ah thank you Jimmy for a decent contrary post. your points are well put unlike some of the other posters who seem to take my support for Paul Pav's side of the fence personally against them selves.

[cowpoos]

Yea just like mr budda is a mate of Paul Stewart but then your not really interested in that fact are you because it does not suit your agenda
Well I don't really have an agenda...I don't know either paul personally...I can just see from an employers point of view that thier are some leadership issuse's in New Zealand Road racing. and any opinion I do have is evolving as more information comes to light. as should anyones really...Emotions are are arse...they cloud judgement

[cowpoos]

Ah thank you Jimmy for a decent contary post. your points are well put unlike some of the other posters who seem to take my suport for Paul Pav's side of the fence personally against them selves.
Another quick point...I'm sure you have emailed Paul Pav a link to this thread.
He's more than welcome to join and respond. he won't get lynched..and if people tryed...they would be repremanded quickly by senior mods on this site...he may get some constructive critisium...which as a CEO is part of his job...as it is the members of MNZ that provide him with the job in the first place...like shareholders of a public company.

[Robert Taylor]

Another quick point...I'm sure you have emailed Paul Pav a link to this thread.
He's more than welcome to join and respond. he won't get lynched..and if people tryed...they would be repremanded quickly by senior mods on this site...he may get some constructive critisium...which as a CEO is part of his job...as it is the members of MNZ that provide him with the job in the first place...like shareholders of a public company.

For the record I personally have a cordial relationship with Paul Pavletich, not close but we can pass the time of day without trying to tear each others throats out. He also knows only too well that I disagree with many but not all of his proposals and that I do not support his tenure of CEO. Agree to disagree.

[Robert Taylor]

HOW DARE YOU WATCH CAR RACING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bash:

wow that was helpful in this forum ...

so now is the time for a change...
set up our own insurance, race-format...

and not have to pay the mnz a fee.. therefore we can then put that money into prise money???

fuck what would i know.. i ride (cough) a buell....

I like car racing! Interestingly I have this morning been watching the North Island MX champs here in my home town, the fields are noticably thinner in that sport as well. The recession has had an impact in all sports but that is no reason in itself to propose cost cutting that will impact on safety etc.

[budda]

Yea just like mr budda is a mate of Paul Stewart but then your not really interested in that fact are you because it does not suit your agenda
Jeez Scouse, you seem to know a lot - actually you THINK you know a lot.
Up until Paul became Road Race Commissioner ( hope i speldt that rite ) I had never met the man. We met when I went and helped with the simple things, like installing signage at the Champs meetings, and then taking it back down.
Actually, that'd be why I dont know you - the road race Commission members and myself are DOERS, dont recollect bumping into you DOING anything but taking

I COULD be wrong, but I dont think so - and if I am, at least I'M man enough to admit it and try to get it right next time - how about you and your mate ?

The systemic undermining and interference goes back a LOT further than this season - talk in the past of Paul walking stemmed from the same sense of frustration at the same problem - not everything Pav does is counter-productive at all. This is NOT an anti-Pav mission - Just that on this issue his inept ( my words ) handling of some very real issues has now finally cost the Sport Paul and his Team

As MNZ members we may all have to take it up the wrongun on this one, but dont expect to ME to smile about it .......

[budda]

HOW DARE YOU WATCH CAR RACING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bash:

wow that was helpful in this forum ...

so now is the time for a change...
set up our own insurance, race-format...

and not have to pay the mnz a fee.. therefore we can then put that money into prise money???

fuck what would i know.. i ride (cough) a buell....

Dont stress AJ, the world needs more spuds harvested.

Just so I'm clear, what exactly IS this mysterious "fee" that MNZ takes ?

[CHOPPA]

What are all the things that Paul Pav has done that seem to be the prob?

Serious question btw

[The Chow]

Hi Guys

I would like to voice my opinion on the matter of Paul S not standing for commissioner.As a member of the close team that ran the series , I am qualified to let you know what shit has happened over the last few months.

However first things first , Paul may have decided to not run. But what you the riders have to realise that it is not just Paul you may have lost but also the volunteer team behind the scenes , you know the people , the ones who put all the flags up and scaffolds and signage for the sponsors and TV , run the internet site for the champs which by the way is no more , which by the way gave coverage to get over 60,ooo individual users and over 1,500,000 hits from March 08 to March 09.the same people who organise the prize givings , commentate , feed the riders on race day morning and do countless other things that many riders take for granted. I'm not talking about the clubs , I'm talking about the series people.

Remember riders we did all the stuff to the best that we could do for amateurs , so you guys could get your fun out on the track , weekend in and weekend out.

We got bagged for the low turn outs at the nationals , we got bagged at Paeroa and on the radio by a well know commentator , we got bagged by the governing body , we got bagged for the lack of TV coverage .

You name it we got bagged for it. And yet we the team , Paul Stewart , Jim T , Jim D , Ian , Guy , Neil , Paul and Heather Seranake and Lynda Blair did it because we loved the sport , but to be honest , it is a job anyone can do , well isn't it? . Well now your chance to find out , someone pick up the batten and lets see what you can do.

The series is not run by one person and it doesn't really matter about how much money is being spent or how much talk is talked , the series does not happen without a group of people who are prepared to do it because they love the sport first for no wages other than some expenses in some cases.

[Rcktfsh]

Yes, but then I probably need to clarify what really should be a rigid etiquette......its probably not so appropriate for current competitors, team owners and commercial suppliers / service providers within racing to stand for positions within MNZ. Conflict of interest.

way to big a conflict of interest.

[Rcktfsh]

Actually...Now that I think about it. I'd second that.

you obviously haven't thought about it.

[FROSTY]

However first things first , Paul may have decided to not run. But what you the riders have to realise that it is not just Paul you may have lost but also the volunteer team behind the scenes , you know the people , the ones who put all the flags up and scaffolds and signage for the sponsors and TV , run the internet site for the champs which by the way is no more , which by the way gave coverage to get over 60,ooo individual users and over 1,500,000 hits from March 08 to March 09.the same people who organise the prize givings , commentate , feed the riders on race day morning and do countless other things that many riders take for granted. I'm not talking about the clubs , I'm talking about the series people.
Hey chow. I'M NOT attacking you but asking the pertinent question.
Are the rest of the team going to go if Paul S goes or is it your opinion??
Given you are one of the nationals "crew" are you saying YOU are out if Paul S is gone or are you saying you would work wioth another RRC?
Also is it possible that this is a storm in a teacup ? Ie Paul having a variety of reasons for wishing to retire and the conflict with the CEO being a final straw situation.

[The Chow]

Thanks

I can't speak for the others , but yes I can work with other people and have done for many years.

Storm in team cup? No it isn't , Paul was all prepared to carry on for another two years , and how do I know that?

He had already secured more major sponsorship for 2010 and 2011 seasons (i'm not sure if I should have said that but the major sponsor was increasing funding by 50% not reducing), and paul had plans looking at new classes and how to run the meetings.

In fact we talk about it at Pukekohe.But that is now probably up in the air. He asked me among other crew people earlier in the season to commit to two years with him , but I said with the shit that happened this year I could only commit to him for a year and review it from there.

So I hope this gives you an idea , of what potentially has disappeared.

[CHOPPA]

Thanks

I can't speak for the others , but yes I can work with other people and have done for many years.

Storm in team cup? No it isn't , Paul was all prepared to carry on for another two years , and how do I know that?

He had already secured more major sponsorship for 2010 and 2011 seasons (i'm not sure if I should have said that but the major sponsor was increasing funding by 50% not reducing), and paul had plans looking at new classes and how to run the meetings.

In fact we talk about it at Pukekohe.But that is now probably up in the air. He asked me among other crew people earlier in the season to commit to two years with him , but I said with the shit that happened this year I could only commit to him for a year and review it from there.

So I hope this gives you an idea , of what potentially has disappeared.

Surely if we lost that sponsorship it would be somewhat in spite?

There must be a round at Hampton Downs this year...???

[The Chow]

That is up to the new road race commissioner to sort out with Sponsors isn't it?

Again the major sponsor would decide on what is right for them , we have no say in it , it is their money.

The deal has been done by Paul alone and no one else. So what do think , how would you feel getting hassled for doing good.

In the words of Alfred E Neuman (Mad Magazine) "You can be on the right track and still get hit by a Train".

[FROSTY]

Given theres clearly "some" emotion around this Id like to ask people who really KNOW. Job description wise within MNZ
Who is SOPOSED to do what?
If funding was expected for the national series why was it withdrawn?

[The Chow]

goo question , asked the office?

see you around , got to go and fire up the Honda and get back to work.

Best of luck:bye:

[scracha]

Why persist at all with MNZ? Clearly they've got little focus on road racing. Most road racers I've spoken too aren't at all happy with them and this is another example of them sucking the enthusiasm out of volunteers. Why not start an organisation purely for road racing?

No doubt our next AMCC newsletter will have another rant about "armchair experts on Internet forums".

[Robert Taylor]

Why persist at all with MNZ? Clearly they've got little focus on road racing. Most road racers I've spoken too aren't at all happy with them and this is another example of them sucking the enthusiasm out of volunteers. Why not start an organisation purely for road racing?

No doubt our next AMCC newsletter will have another rant about "armchair experts on Internet forums".

There are in fact a few good people within MNZ, Chow eluded to that. But they are fighting a dogmatic attitude at the top, one who is not a team player.

[Tim 39]

Just a thought/idea...

If the so called breakaway occurred (other than insurance issues what does MNZ do for us?) would Paul Stewart be interested in being the commissioner for the new NZ Road Racers union or whatever it would be?

The way I see it, that would be the ideal outcome. The MNZ issues would be eliminated, Paul S is most certainly very good at being RRC, and his previous experience in the job would be greatly appreciated especially in the initial stages of getting this thing going. Without all the crap that goes on, then hopefully new blood would attracted into the actual running of the series also.

with less politics and criticism, more support and helpers being encouraged I could see it as far more appealing, and would be happy to pay twice as much for a licence and do a bit more to help run the series.

[Mishy]

goo question , asked the office?

see you around , got to go and fire up the Honda and get back to work.

Best of luck:bye:

Thanks for your input, perhaps we can all learn a lesson regarding supporting those who support us.
Call me crazy . . . . . . .

All the best.

[FROSTY]

Scratcha. You make a good point though.
I think (will stand corrected) that MNZ is affiliated with FIM .
On our little bit of the world that means squat.
Licencing etc could be administered by the tomato growers association for all the difference it makes.
( Except for the licence holders life insurance we have whilst competing.)
Where it gets tricky is if a rider wants to race overseas.
You need a FIM affiliate in order to be able to get international licence and insurance cover.
Could an alternative governing body for road racing be set up?
Good question.
I think the most likely issue would be if MX riders wanted to road race -2 worries MNZ blackballing and MXers having to get two licences.
Another concern would be --would FIM recignise 2 motorcycle race organisations?


Could someone remind me what actually happened to the old administration n NZ--the ACU (Auto Cycle Union?)

Interesting that this conversation was had in the bears community a few years back

[Robert Taylor]

Scratcha. You make a good point though.
I think (will stand corrected) that MNZ is affiliated with FIM .
On our little bit of the world that means squat.
Licencing etc could be administered by the tomato growers association for all the difference it makes.
( Except for the licence holders life insurance we have whilst competing.)
Where it gets tricky is if a rider wants to race overseas.
You need a FIM affiliate in order to be able to get international licence and insurance cover.
Could an alternative governing body for road racing be set up?
Good question.
I think the most likely issue would be if MX riders wanted to road race -2 worries MNZ blackballing and MXers having to get two licences.
Another concern would be --would FIM recignise 2 motorcycle race organisations?


Could someone remind me what actually happened to the old administration n NZ--the ACU (Auto Cycle Union?)

Interesting that this conversation was had in the bears community a few years back

The MNZ situation is fixable, it entails changing some of the people. Its a bit like Governments, you get what you vote for. If you dont like what you get, remove them.

[cowpoos]

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/MNZ_Constitution_effective_1_January_2008.pdf

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/MNZ_Strategic_Plan_2008.pdf

[cs363]

Scratcha. You make a good point though.
I think (will stand corrected) that MNZ is affiliated with FIM .
On our little bit of the world that means squat.
Licencing etc could be administered by the tomato growers association for all the difference it makes.
( Except for the licence holders life insurance we have whilst competing.)
Where it gets tricky is if a rider wants to race overseas.
You need a FIM affiliate in order to be able to get international licence and insurance cover.
Could an alternative governing body for road racing be set up?
Good question.
I think the most likely issue would be if MX riders wanted to road race -2 worries MNZ blackballing and MXers having to get two licences.
Another concern would be --would FIM recignise 2 motorcycle race organisations?


Could someone remind me what actually happened to the old administration n NZ--the ACU (Auto Cycle Union?)

Interesting that this conversation was had in the bears community a few years back


Without FIM affiliation it would make it very difficult if not impossible to host international events and host international riders who are affiliated. Probably make it quite difficult for any talented young riders to get a start overseas too I imagine.

[Tony.OK]

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/MNZ_Constitution_effective_1_January_2008.pdf

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/MNZ_Strategic_Plan_2008.pdf

So ermmmmm..........


3.0 OBJECTS OF MNZ
3.1 To conduct, control, promote, foster and develop motorcycle sport and recreation within New Zealand.
More MX than Road it would seem
3.2 To govern and administer motorcycle sport in New Zealand.
3.3 To encourage participation by members in international events and to select members to represent New Zealand in
International competitions, including World and Oceania Championships, and to co-ordinate and arrange the
management of New Zealand teams both within New Zealand and overseas.
3.4 To support and encourage the holding in New Zealand of international, national, regional and local competitions,
championships and other events.
Not much support shown
3.5 To require all MNZ members including riders, coaches, other members, officers and affiliated clubs to adhere to and
enforce any then current MNZ Code of Conduct.
3.6 To provide a process by way of hearing, appeal or otherwise to deal with all disputes and disciplinary matters in
relation to motorcycle competition and events run under MNZ.
3.7 To advance the interests of, and provide facilities and services for all motorcyclists in New Zealand
Mmmmmmm?
3.8 To represent the interests of affiliated clubs and organisations and of all motorcyclists in promoting or opposing
bills, legislation or any proposal or schemes by governmental or other authorities that affect those interests.
3.9 To promote the safety of all motorcycle activities in New Zealand.
3.10 To foster and encourage co-operation between all Motorcycle clubs and other motorcycling organisations.
Mmmmmmmm again

The best bit............


The CEO shall provide each Commission with such assistance, guidance, expertise, support and resources as may
be reasonably necessary to enable each Commission to function effectively, efficiently and economically.
Tui anyone?
The CEO shall be primarily responsible for implementing the direction, policy, plans or rules set by the GB or
Commissions. The CEO shall also be primarily responsible for all commercial, financial or contractual matters
involving MNZ.
Commission members and the CEO are expected to consult with one another and work cooperatively and
harmoniously together.
Someones not following the rules
All are subject to the overall direction and control of the GB.

[Maarty]

The bit that is really scary though and give the ultimate power is



The CEO shall provide each Commission with such assistance, guidance, expertise, support and resources as may
be reasonably necessary to enable each Commission to function effectively, efficiently and economically

The CEO shall be primarily responsible for implementing the direction, policy, plans or rules set by the GB or Commissions.

Surely this means that the CEO should do just that without deviating from the agreed agend?
The CEO shall also be primarily responsible for all commercial, financial or contractual matters
involving MNZCommission members and the CEO are expected to consult with one another and work cooperatively and
harmoniously together.

All are subject to the overall direction and control of the GB.


So ermmmmm..........



The best bit............

[sidecar bob]

Without FIM affiliation it would make it very difficult if not impossible to host international events and host international riders who are affiliated. Probably make it quite difficult for any talented young riders to get a start overseas too I imagine.

Really?? If i felt the urge to race in Australia, what is stopping me from joining say the Brisbane motorcycle club & obtaining an Aussie racing licence? I have met many non Kiwis with MNZ licences, so surely the reverse is also possible? I doubt the lack of a bit of paper from the Huntly Tomato Fanciers Institute would actually stop any young talent from racing in any other country.

[cs363]

Really?? If i felt the urge to race in Australia, what is stopping me from joining say the Brisbane motorcucle club & obtaining an Aussie racing licence? I have met many non Kiwis with MNZ licences, so surely the reverse is also possible? I doubt the lack of a bit of paper from the Huntly Tomato Fanciers Institute would actually stop any young talent from racing in any other country.


I said difficult, not impossible.....

And besides, to get an FIM licence in Australia (as opposed to an Australian competition licence) you need to be an Australian citizen or permanent resident. I would imagine this is the same in most countries. If you just want to do national races in other countries then what you say above stands, I guess it's down to what your goals are.

[scracha]

Scratcha. You make a good point though.
I think (will stand corrected) that MNZ is affiliated with FIM .

If it's properly administered and safely ran then FIM affiliation would not be a problem. Why on earth would FIM not come to the party if all the roadracers in NZ formed their own organisation? First place to start would be here I guess :-
http://www.fim-live.com/en/fim/continental-unions/




I think the most likely issue would be if MX riders wanted to road race -2 worries MNZ blackballing and MXers having to get two licences.

I'm sure the split could be done amicably :yes: MXers having two licenses, well that's a minority of people and to be honest, it's two different disciplines so why shouldn't they have two different licenses.




he MNZ situation is fixable, it entails changing some of the people. Its a bit like Governments, you get what you vote for. If you dont like what you get, remove them.

Some things are inherently badly designed and are best scrapped. Viva la revolution.
126400

[FROSTY]

Without FIM affiliation it would make it very difficult if not impossible to host international events and host international riders who are affiliated. Probably make it quite difficult for any talented young riders to get a start overseas too I imagine.
Sorry dude that was actually my point.


Really?? If i felt the urge to race in Australia, what is stopping me from joining say the Brisbane motorcycle club & obtaining an Aussie racing licence? I have met many non Kiwis with MNZ licences, so surely the reverse is also possible? I doubt the lack of a bit of paper from the Huntly Tomato Fanciers Institute would actually stop any young talent from racing in any other country.
If you are prepared to bend the rules to compete in a local championship sure but all it would take would be one whinger and all would be lost

mind you- jUST a thought -what would happen if we alighned ourselves with the auzzies? --have NZ as a "state" branch of their ruling body.
-The actual question Im asking here is --are the auzzies doing the road race thing better than us??

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

The MNZ situation is fixable, it entails changing some of the people. Its a bit like Governments, you get what you vote for. If you dont like what you get, remove them.

how do we fix the situation. PP is employed by the board, how do we communicate with the board?
do we have to wait for the next AGM?

[scott411]

http://www.mnz.co.nz/contactus.aspx

all email address for board members are listed there,

[FROSTY]

Guys just a little word of warning here.
There are always 2 sides to any story. Flogging via an internet forum where only one side of the story has been clearly presented is fraught with danger.

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[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

It is up to the MNZ board to evaluate the performance of its staff. NOTHING will be achieved on this forum without direct communication with the board members. Let them know what your thoughts, and let them decide on appropriate action.

[sidecar bob]

Guys just a little word of warning here.
There are always 2 sides to any story. Flogging via an internet forum where only one side of the story has been clearly presented is fraught with danger.

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I dont doubt there are two sides & i would very much welcome a representative from the "other" side into this forum for the purposes of a calm & rational discussion.
Every time i view this thread i see that there are X amount of members viewing & at least two guests. No prize money for guessing who the guests represent. I would say to you guys (guests) log on, identify yourselves & lets get this situation sorted.

[Grey Beard]

Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.

This thread like most is happily going round in circles.

The People that MNZ's CEO reports to are:

President: Sandra Perry president@mnz.co.nz
NI On-Road Board member Trevor Heaphy tjheaphy@xtra.co.nz
SI On-Road Board member Dave Morris dbmorris@xtra.co.nz

Drop them a line (GOOD LUCK).

Some more food for thought.

All riders, Life members and Stewards of MNZ are about to receive a set of Voting papers to elect a new President and two Board members.

"The people in Huntly are NOT MNZ, You are MNZ."

At present the President and Board of MNZ are basically allowing the PAID EMPLOYEES to do what they like.

IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT, YOU HAVE TO VOTE

Find out who is standing, why they are standing and then VOTE.

[Wingnut]

Find out who is standing, why they are standing and then VOTE.

Can someone please post this information here as some of us are a little out of the "Loop" as far as knowing who is who and what their motivation is.

Cheers

[FROSTY]

Can someone please post this information here as some of us are a little out of the "Loop" as far as knowing who is who and what their motivation is.

Cheers
Wingnut as I understand it unless you are a MNZ licence holder you dont get a vote sorry

[Shaun]

Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.

This thread like most is happily going round in circles.

The People that MNZ's CEO reports to are:

President: Sandra Perry president@mnz.co.nz
NI On-Road Board member Trevor Heaphy tjheaphy@xtra.co.nz
SI On-Road Board member Dave Morris dbmorris@xtra.co.nz

Drop them a line (GOOD LUCK).

Some more food for thought.

All riders, Life members and Stewards of MNZ are about to receive a set of Voting papers to elect a new President and two Board members.

"The people in Huntly are NOT MNZ, You are MNZ."

At present the President and Board of MNZ are basically allowing the PAID EMPLOYEES to do what they like.

IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT, YOU HAVE TO VOTE

Find out who is standing, why they are standing and then VOTE.


Healthy and factuall~! Thanks Grey Beard:scooter:

[The Chow]

Hey Grey Beard you forgot one other important email:

So people can get the other side of the story , as there seem to be some doubt about what has actually happened , with road racing this year.

Contact
CEO@mnz.co.nz

What you say is correct , everyone who can vote should vote whether you change things or not at least you can say voted. Remember apathy is no excuse , change at the top needs to be sought out , low voter turn out mostly leads to the Status Quo.
:rockon:So come on guys and gals vote when you get your voters pack. Sorry only MNZ members.

[cs363]

Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.

This thread like most is happily going round in circles.

The People that MNZ's CEO reports to are:

President: Sandra Perry president@mnz.co.nz
NI On-Road Board member Trevor Heaphy tjheaphy@xtra.co.nz
SI On-Road Board member Dave Morris dbmorris@xtra.co.nz

Drop them a line (GOOD LUCK).

Some more food for thought.

All riders, Life members and Stewards of MNZ are about to receive a set of Voting papers to elect a new President and two Board members.

"The people in Huntly are NOT MNZ, You are MNZ."

At present the President and Board of MNZ are basically allowing the PAID EMPLOYEES to do what they like.

IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT, YOU HAVE TO VOTE

Find out who is standing, why they are standing and then VOTE.

X2 on that, everyone who is eligible to vote needs to. This sorry state of affairs needs to be sorted before it gets really bad.
A new one of these is well overdue:

[scracha]

Lot of folk say we're apathetic. Well, in general Kiwi's may be but I think in this case it's a lot of riders not knowing enough about the peeps they're voting for.

[Robert Taylor]

Guys just a little word of warning here.
There are always 2 sides to any story. Flogging via an internet forum where only one side of the story has been clearly presented is fraught with danger.

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Thats a very fair point and in all fairness I could understand a reluctance for many to ever post on forums, given the ''kangaroo court'' attitudes that can so often rise to the surface. The ''invisible'' person who posted a cacophony of expletives ( and precious little else of substance ) in support of Paul did him no credit. In fairness if my actions were being scrutinised on a forum Id be posting to defend myself, but also be prepared to be bombarded with further questions / arguments.
Aside from issues that have already been either aired or eluded to by others another ''action'' on the part of the incumbent was his appearance at the Ruapuna round of the Nationals to try and drum up support for his own views ( NOT MNZs collective view ) on road race rule changes. That as I understand it is the job of the appointed road race commissioner with RESPECT for appropriate consultation and process. The incumbent commissioner was none too pleased that MNZ road race money ( most likely )paid for another airfare ( and incidentals ) In the end event the CEOs ''mission'' was not a success because 1 ) most road racers didnt agree with him ( and gave short shift at least once I heard of ) and 2 ) canvassing opinion directly during the business part of a race meeting is very often unsuccessful because these guys are engaged in the mental prep and concentration of racing, a huge mental task.
Its also notable that those who disagree with Pauls views ( and the numbers are substanial ) were not afforded the courtesy of being directly consulted about it. And those people are those far more likely to have the experience and expertise to make contribution, in FULL command of all the facts, whys and wherefores and devoid of emotion. And commercial gain....BOLLOCKS, there are far easier and more profitable forms of business, just not as exciting and challenging.
It is a time honoured practice in playing politics that if you want to drum up support to suit your personal agendas you go and appeal to the emotions of the ''unwashed masses'' Just give them enough information to manipulate the result into what you want. With all respect ( and Im sorry to describe it in a condescending tone ) that is how I see the game is being played. Evidence the magazine articles penned by the CEO and reference in one that a counter view ( essentially mine ) was BS. The subject matter is serious and the stakes are about more than peanuts.
I make note that Paul attended and paid for an Ohlins road race seminar when Ohlins tech Peter Goddard visted NZ earlier this year. Paul was afforded the courtesy of an invite because of his position and also because I felt he needed to be bought up to date with current day issues of tyre and chassis / suspension interaction. No need to repeat all the tech mumbo jumbo here because there are many posts on that subject ( Mishy being quite descriptive and accurate on many occassions )
There has quite frankly been contempt for proper democratic process and a culture of confrontation with unpaid ''subordinates'' has prevailed. At least two have walked, not entirely for that reason but inarguably they have had a gutsful of the attitude from above. FACT. More may well follow and like I have said there are good people within MNZ. The situation is just not good enough.
Pauls motives are inarguably the same as anyone else, to grow road racing. But the recent developments as above dont exactly inspire any confidence / faith.

[The Chow]

Rob ,

You are 100% correct he (CEO) did go to Christchurch and try and drum up support for his views but failed. But the worse thing was he didn't have the balls to do it when our commissioner was actually there. Paul S had to be at woodville for the MX and his employer.

Another little thing he did was try and squash the series website , by not approving funding , then only did after pressure.

Oh yes then there is the $10,000 we (the sport) didn't get, because they couldn't afford it yet he gets a sum believed to be 10 times that amount for himself and they employed a new staff member in the office and also bought a carpark this year!!.

Come on folks , something has to be done :bash:

[The Chow]

Oh just remembered

Want to vote , but don't have a licence then become an associate member of MNZ, yes there is such a thing it will cost you $60 (i think). Go to the MNZ website and download licence application and it is there. You do have to belong to a affiliated club though.:rockon:

[cowpoos]

Oh just remembered

Want to vote , but don't have a licence then become an associate member of MNZ, yes there is such a thing it will cost you $60 (i think). Go to the MNZ website and download licence application and it is there. You do have to belong to a affiliated club though.:rockon:
http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/ceo_newsletter_pp_19.aspx

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/ceo_newsletter_PP_17.aspx

[Grey Beard]

Well is it interesting that nominations closed on Mar 31 and MNZ have still not announced who has put their hand up.

The rummour mill tells me Jim Tuckerman is standing against Sandra Perry for President. There is a man that gets the job done.

Also I am told Kevin Goddard (Tim McArthur's main man) is standing for On-Road South Island and there are a couple standing for Off-Road North Is, one I understanding is Manuwatu Orion club's Carmen Davidson.

Hopefully they will post on this site, who they are and why they are standing.

[Billy]

Well is it interesting that nominations closed on Mar 31 and MNZ have still not announced who has put their hand up.

The rummour mill tells me Jim Tuckerman is standing against Sandra Perry for President. There is a man that gets the job done.



Yes Jim Tuckerman is indeed standing against Sandra and as pointed out,He gets the job done and when the hard decisions need too be taken he is capable of dealing with them.Something that may come back to haunt him however if the incumbent is not seen to be doing their job then it must be time for change

[wharfy]

Rob ,

You are 100% correct he (CEO) did go to Christchurch and try and drum up support for his views but failed. But the worse thing was he didn't have the balls to do it when our commissioner was actually there. Paul S had to be at woodville for the MX and his employer.

Another little thing he did was try and squash the series website , by not approving funding , then only did after pressure.

Oh yes then there is the $10,000 we (the sport) didn't get, because they couldn't afford it yet he gets a sum believed to be 10 times that amount for himself and they employed a new staff member in the office and also bought a carpark this year!!.

Come on folks , something has to be done :bash:

Fuck, you have to buy a carpark in Huntly ? (my home town if I had to own up to having one ....)

[Grey Beard]

Fuck, you have to buy a carpark in Huntly ? (my home town if I had to own up to having one ....)

Very good point wharfy.

MNZ are happily spending your money, so the Office staff don't have to walk too far from their Company Cars.

See how easily a thread can get off subject.

I intend having a beer with Jim Tuckerman later this week, I will get him to post his thoughts about the Election.

[sidecar bob]

I intend having a beer with Jim Tuckerman later this week, I will get him to post his thoughts about the Election.

Give him a hug from me. :hug:
The issues here are not personal ones at all. Most MNZ stewards with a couple of exceptions are bloody top blokes, inclding the CEO, & several i would class as friends.
I would be concerned if any of the criticisim levelled at the organisation was taken personally.

[Wingnut]

Wingnut as I understand it unless you are a MNZ licence holder you dont get a vote sorry

But but but - I am a MNZ License holder - Just because I have the license and attend a few meeting doesn't instantly inform me of whos who in the NZ racing world.

Please sir please...........

[Wingnut]

Oh yes then there is the $10,000 we (the sport) didn't get, because they couldn't afford it yet he gets a sum believed to be 10 times that amount for himself and they employed a new staff member in the office and also bought a carpark this year!!.



You sure he doesn't work for the local council - so many similarities:nono:

[ajturbo]

Just so I'm clear, what exactly IS this mysterious "fee" that MNZ takes ?

err.... do you have a license from them?... that is what i was talking about...:baby:

[Grey Beard]

I was on MNZ's site today and I see Paul Pavletich has announced he has given the Road Race Media job to Andy McGechan.

Wasn't that the job Jim Tuckerman did under Paul Stewart?

Also I thought the media fell under the Commissioners role.

Does this mean PP has taken on the role of Road Race Commissioner or is it another example of the CEO stepping beyond his role.

Also did anyone see the job advertised?

[sidecar bob]

I was on MNZ's site today and I see Paul Pavletich has announced he has given the Road Race Media job to Andy McGechan.

Wasn't that the job Jim Tuckerman did under Paul Stewart?

Also I thought the media fell under the Commissioners role.

Does this mean PP has taken on the role of Road Race Commissioner or is it another example of the CEO stepping beyond his role.

Also did anyone see the job advertised?

I dont know about the rest of it, but in all fairness Andy is a reasonably top bloke.

[Robert Taylor]

I dont know about the rest of it, but in all fairness Andy is a reasonably top bloke.

Indeed, but as long as he is not bullied and will stand up and be counted when called upon. Paul P does not get on with JT and vice versa. JT is a fiery devil but hes not afraid to stand up. JT for MNZ President!

[cowpoos]

Has anyone else got any more new/relivent news to ad to this thread?

[Robert Taylor]

Has anyone else got any more new/relivent news to ad to this thread?

Check out derisory comments about this forum on MNZ newsletter. Certainly in keeping with an autocratic mentality.

[Shaun P]

See here for profiles of MNZ president nominees

http://www.mnz.co.nz/newsDetail.aspx?SectionID=29&ArticleID=29742

[wharfy]

Fuck, you have to buy a carpark in Huntly ? (my home town if I had to own up to having one ....)

I was out of order here. That is one of the problems with web forums posting without knowing the FULL STORY.

The car park quote I was commenting on was at best ill informed and at worst deliberately misleading. Having read in the annual report the reason land was purchased makes good sense to me - the fact that it is CURRENTLY being used as a car park is not really relevant.

[scracha]

worst deliberately misleading. Having read in the annual report the reason land was purchased makes good sense to me - the fact that it is CURRENTLY being used as a car park is not really relevant.

Well many of us can't read the annual report because we're obviously not important enough to have it posted to us. Is it published somewhere on the world's must unusable website?

[wharfy]

Well many of us can't read the annual report because we're obviously not important enough to have it posted to us. Is it published somewhere on the world's must ununsable website?
Dunno mate

[Clivoris]

Well many of us can't read the annual report because we're obviously not important enough to have it posted to us. Is it published somewhere on the world's must unusable website?


Dunno mate

My understanding is that there is a complicated formula involving attractiveness and intelligence, with the handsome brainy fullas getting the report. I will pop mine in the post for you 2.

[Robert Taylor]

Well many of us can't read the annual report because we're obviously not important enough to have it posted to us. Is it published somewhere on the world's must unusable website?

Come to mention it youre correct,that website really sucks. Yet another thing MNZ cant get right in spite of 300k per year on salaries.

[fossil]

I was out of order here. That is one of the problems with web forums posting without knowing the FULL STORY.

The car park quote I was commenting on was at best ill informed and at worst deliberately misleading. Having read in the annual report the reason land was purchased makes good sense to me - the fact that it is CURRENTLY being used as a car park is not really relevant.

I believe in forward planning BUT
I have heard that it may be used as a helipad for when the CEO's vehicle needs replacing. If so hopefully they will sign write it(unlike the current vehicle) so members can recognise it and see where our funds are being used.
If it was tarsealed we could use it for bucket racing, the 10k we didn't get for roadracing went a long way towards paying for it. I believe there wasn't even a vote at Board level for this purchase.

[budda]

I was out of order here. That is one of the problems with web forums posting without knowing the FULL STORY.

The car park quote I was commenting on was at best ill informed and at worst deliberately misleading. Having read in the annual report the reason land was purchased makes good sense to me - the fact that it is CURRENTLY being used as a car park is not really relevant.

The problem appears to be that we had an undertaking at the last AGM from a Board Member AND the President that any property related decisions would be floated past the Membership before any actions were taken

Like you, I think it probably WAS a good long-term strategic decision to buy it, and I understand we bought it at a pretty good price .......
Just that I expected to have been kept in the loop, as per the commitment we were given in Nelson.

[Wingnut]

Come to mention it youre correct,that website really sucks. Yet another thing MNZ cant get right in spite of 300k per year on salaries.


How many are employed by MNZ? How may that would come under that $300K package that is?

[budda]

That'd be
1 CEO
1 Operations Manager
1 Admin Manager
3 Admin Staff

Lets not get carried away trying to figure out what people are being paid - the guts of the matter is, are we getting best VALUE for the $$$'s we are paying ? It seems to me quite likely that, given the convoluted systems they appear to be using in some cases, the staff are working HARD to provide the services they do - we may NOT be over staffed, but if we resource them correctly we MAY be able to create efficiencies that will lead to more "productivity" for the wage bill ........ lets not forget that these are peoples jobs and livelihoods under scrutiny.

If it was YOUR job being looked at by a shareholder group, you'd want to know that they were taking a GOOD and reasoned look, not just adopting a slash and burn approach to lower operating costs, surely ?

[The Chow]

That'd be
1 CEO
1 Operations Manager
1 Admin Manager
3 Admin Staff

And of those I think there would be two who probably equated to around half the wages/salary bill . No guess who? Would I be in the ball park budda?:stupid:

[wharfy]

If it was YOUR job being looked at by a shareholder group, you'd want to know that they were taking a GOOD and reasoned look, not just adopting a slash and burn approach to lower operating costs, surely ?

Having just survived a re-structure I couldn't agree more ......

[The Chow]

That'd be
1 CEO
1 Operations Manager
1 Admin Manager
3 Admin Staff

Lets not get carried away trying to figure out what people are being paid - the guts of the matter is, are we getting best VALUE for the $$$'s we are paying ? It seems to me quite likely that, given the convoluted systems they appear to be using in some cases, the staff are working HARD to provide the services they do - we may NOT be over staffed, but if we resource them correctly we MAY be able to create efficiencies that will lead to more "productivity" for the wage bill ........ lets not forget that these are peoples jobs and livelihoods under scrutiny.

If it was YOUR job being looked at by a shareholder group, you'd want to know that they were taking a GOOD and reasoned look, not just adopting a slash and burn approach to lower operating costs, surely ?

My god oh portly one some very reasonable points of view , twice in one day!
Watch it:doh:

[budda]

My god oh portly one some very reasonable points of view , twice in one day!
Watch it:doh:

Yeah, well - its a bit early for drinkies. Isn't it ?????????

[scracha]

bump...........