Scrivy For "Road Race Commissioner"

[Shaun]

This is my choice for the next Road Race Man, You would be very good at this job Mate.

[sidecar bob]

This is my choice for the next Road Race Man, You would be very good at this job Mate.

I didnt want to be the one to say that because i could be considered to be biased, but i agree with you one hundred percent plus. :niceone:

[scrivy]

Thanks Shaun.

But, is there no way to keep Paul Stewart in his job??
I mean, the stable doors open, but has he bolted yet??

Then again...... I could always call it the NZ Sidecar Championships... :first::devil2::rolleyes: with suporting classes of Superbikes etc....

[Kickaha]

I didnt want to be the one to say that because he's a pie eating homo and i could be considered to be biased, but i agree with you one hundred percent plus. :niceone:

I agree to, go on do it you munter

[Robert Taylor]

Thanks Shaun.

But, is there no way to keep Paul Stewart in his job??
I mean, the stable doors open, but has he bolted yet??

Then again...... I could always call it the NZ Sidecar Championships... :first::devil2::rolleyes: with suporting classes of Superbikes etc....

Yes, he would stay if someone further up the chain was removed. Its that simple.

[sidecar bob]

Yes, he would stay if someone further up the chain was removed. Its that simple.

So how do we do that?

[unrealone]

This is my choice for the next Road Race Man, You would be very good at this job Mate.


+1 from me

You'd be perfect Scrivy :wari:

[Marknz]

So how do we do that?

+1

It's all very well us talking about it on here, but how do we go about achieving this status?

[svs]

I imagine nominations forms will go out from MNZ soon.

The last time it was notified here (http://mnz.co.nz/newsDetail.aspx?SectionID=29&ArticleID=29188)

[Robert Taylor]

So how do we do that?

Submit nominations for CEO, those putting their name forward should have intimate and up to date knowledge of motorcycles and motorcycle racing. And being a team player and respecting the work of the democratically appointed road race commissioner would be a bonus. Also having respect for the amount of money the manufacturers distributors put into the various codes would be a gracious thing to do, its considerably more than peanuts. If we didnt have their input ( which must never be taken for granted) the various series would be little better than club racing. Im not knocking club racing, but national formula is the elite.

[roadracingoldfart]

Yes, he would stay if someone further up the chain was removed. Its that simple.


I dont want to be rude Robert , but im going to anyhow....

Are you in a position to comment for Paul Stewart and if so can you quantify it. ?
Is the reason Paul is leaving only because of Pav and the way he steers the ship.?
Pav is an absolute pillock and always was when i raced with him in the 80s etc but im sure he has the best of intentions ( even if a little biased)

One question i have always wanted answered is , "why do we need MNZ for the bulk of N.Z. racing as its simply club based and as such can ( as proved before ) run a very good event or series as a stand alone entity .

I reflect on the ACU days but im just an old fart and did what i was told to do back then . Has that really changed now its a democracy organisation ?

Paul.

[Robert Taylor]

I dont want to be rude Robert , but im going to anyhow....

Are you in a position to comment for Paul Stewart and if so can you quantify it. ?
Is the reason Paul is leaving only because of Pav and the way he steers the ship.?
Pav is an absolute pillock and always was when i raced with him in the 80s etc but im sure he has the best of intentions ( even if a little biased)

One question i have always wanted answered is , "why do we need MNZ for the bulk of N.Z. racing as its simply club based and as such can ( as proved before ) run a very good event or series as a stand alone entity .

I reflect on the ACU days but im just an old fart and did what i was told to do back then . Has that really changed now its a democracy organisation ?

Paul.

I have a cordial relationship with Paul Stewart as do many in the industry. He was balancing over 4 figures in unpaid hours per annum acting as road race commissioner, on top of a very demanding day job. It would have helped a lot if he didnt have to put up with constant obstructive inteference from above and thats just the tip of the iceberg. The constitution of MNZ gave him a brief and that was being interfered with in a very autocratic manner. I dont blame him for walking but it is very sad to see him go, and scant thanks he had for it.
We do need MNZ as a governing body, it needs good people that are team players, not autocrats.

[scrivy]

Having seen the job description, I am left absolutely gobsmacked that it is an unpaid position!!! :gob:

After reading it, I think Paul Stewart should be congratulated for his monumental efforts in doing what he did!!
I can guarantee that there wouldn't be a single person on here that would do 10% of the bullshit that Paul did for free. The amount of his unpaid time for our enjoyment was HUGE.
I now stand corrected, and would like to thank Paul Stewart for his time.

Scrivy

[jrandom]

If Scrivy's up for it, he has my vote.

:niceone:

[sidecar bob]

If Scrivy's up for it, he has my vote.

:niceone:

Are you two having bum sex again?:buggerd:

[jrandom]

Are you two having bum sex again?:buggerd:

Define 'again'.

[Robert Taylor]

Having seen the job description, I am left absolutely gobsmacked that it is an unpaid position!!! :gob:

After reading it, I think Paul Stewart should be congratulated for his monumental efforts in doing what he did!!
I can guarantee that there wouldn't be a single person on here that would do 10% of the bullshit that Paul did for free. The amount of his unpaid time for our enjoyment was HUGE.
I now stand corrected, and would like to thank Paul Stewart for his time.

Scrivy

Whoever inherits the poisoned chalice best have a solid constitution to be able to put up with obstruction and interference and a culture of undermining. I would put my name forward on the basis of being prepared to stand up to such nonsense and respond in kind but 1) theres a conflict of interest and 2) To do in excess of 1000 hours per year unpaid ( with unneccessary stress ) is nuts.

[vtec]

Scrivy gets my vote for anything, but sounds like there may not be much in it for him with all the sacrifices. What does the role entail, I think I'm a bit out of touch. Could there be a salary added?

Sounds like you'd make an excellent dictator RT. Hehe. I think I would make a great dictator too.

[Robert Taylor]

Scrivy gets my vote for anything, but sounds like there may not be much in it for him with all the sacrifices. What does the role entail, I think I'm a bit out of touch. Could there be a salary added?

Sounds like you'd make an excellent dictator RT. Hehe. I think I would make a great dictator too.

No, Im a pussycat underneath the facade, the real issue is in having to contend with dictatorial rather than democratic tendencies. And not everything should be for personal gain but this job requires compensation at very minimum.

[Tony.OK]

I wonder what Helen's doing at the moment?....................:innocent:

[Robert Taylor]

I wonder what Helen's doing at the moment?....................:innocent:

MATE THATS BELOW THE BELT! At least Paul Pavletich is a good tory.

[CHOPPA]

Is it unpaid!!?? Wow that really does say alot for PS! Id rather pay an extra licence fee and make it a professional position.....

No doubt people wouldnt want the extra fee but there prob the ones that complain about the current situation, go figure!

[scrivy]

Is it unpaid!!?? Wow that really does say alot for PS!

Not a brass razoo mate!!!

Maybe he should get a 10-20% cut of the sponsorship he brings to the championships? Even then it still wouldn't pay for his costs.

Our NZ national motorcycle racing is in dire straights at the moment. I still personally feel that we should have a symposium or conference just for the road race sector. All positive associated persons should be present, and all allowed to voice their concerns/ideas. A way forward for this season can be found, and acted upon.
Again, I personally feel that the National series for this year only (due to obvious power struggles/politics/bullshite) should be run independently of MNZ for this year only. Formulate a strategy, and then roll it over for subsequent years.
I hate politics - it destroys motivated people.

We can get out of this. But it will take more than a few hours at MNZ's conference to sort it out.
LOTS of communication from affected groups (organisers, racers, promoters, volunteers, MNZ, team owners, industry and supppliers) is needed. Egos will/may be shattered, but if it takes a few people to pull their heads in, to make a prestigeous series again, then I'm all for it!!

I do not want to tell friends in 5 years that I could have made a difference, I would like to help now.

We all love our sport. I'd be guttered if I couldn't have my stress relief on the weekends!!
What's more, I'd be guttered if I couldn't sit trackside to watch some of the most awesome racing there is in NZ!!
We simply just cannot afford to lose what we have left.

We do need to turn this 'lost' ship around.

Scrivy

[The Chow]

Hi Guys

I would like to voice my opinion on the matter of Paul S not standing for commissioner.As a member of the close team that ran the series , I am qualified to let you know what shit has happened over the last few months.

However first things first , Paul may have decided to not run. But what you the riders have to realise that it is not just Paul you may have lost but also the volunteer team behind the scenes , you know the people , the ones who put all the flags up and scaffolds and signage for the sponsors and TV , run the internet site for the champs which by the way is no more , which by the way gave coverage to get over 60,ooo individual users and over 1,500,000 hits from March 08 to March 09.the same people who organise the prize givings , commentate , feed the riders on race day morning and do countless other things that many riders take for granted. I'm not talking about the clubs , I'm talking about the series people.

Remember riders we did all the stuff to the best that we could do for amateurs , so you guys could get your fun out on the track , weekend in and weekend out.

We got bagged for the low turn outs at the nationals , we got bagged at Paeroa and on the radio by a well know commentator , we got bagged by the governing body , we got bagged for the lack of TV coverage .

You name it we got bagged for it. And yet we the team , Paul Stewart , Jim T , Jim D , Ian , Guy , Neil , Paul and Heather Seranake and Lynda Blair did it because we loved the sport , but to be honest , it is a job anyone can do , well isn't it? . Well now your chance to find out , someone pick up the batten and lets see what you can do.

The series is not run by one person and it doesn't really matter about how much money is being spent or how much talk is talked , the series does not happen without a group of people who are prepared to do it because they love the sport first for no wages other than some expenses in some cases.

[The Chow]

By the way scrivy , thanks for the positive comments. However this needs to be fixed soon. A conference meeting with an agenda(as in timetable) not a talk fest. I behind anything that is positive for the future.

Ian

[McDuck]

Any support i can provide mate...

[Robert Taylor]

Hi Guys

I would like to voice my opinion on the matter of Paul S not standing for commissioner.As a member of the close team that ran the series , I am qualified to let you know what shit has happened over the last few months.

However first things first , Paul may have decided to not run. But what you the riders have to realise that it is not just Paul you may have lost but also the volunteer team behind the scenes , you know the people , the ones who put all the flags up and scaffolds and signage for the sponsors and TV , run the internet site for the champs which by the way is no more , which by the way gave coverage to get over 60,ooo individual users and over 1,500,000 hits from March 08 to March 09.the same people who organise the prize givings , commentate , feed the riders on race day morning and do countless other things that many riders take for granted. I'm not talking about the clubs , I'm talking about the series people.

Remember riders we did all the stuff to the best that we could do for amateurs , so you guys could get your fun out on the track , weekend in and weekend out.

We got bagged for the low turn outs at the nationals , we got bagged at Paeroa and on the radio by a well know commentator , we got bagged by the governing body , we got bagged for the lack of TV coverage .

You name it we got bagged for it. And yet we the team , Paul Stewart , Jim T , Jim D , Ian , Guy , Neil , Paul and Heather Seranake and Lynda Blair did it because we loved the sport , but to be honest , it is a job anyone can do , well isn't it? . Well now your chance to find out , someone pick up the batten and lets see what you can do.

The series is not run by one person and it doesn't really matter about how much money is being spent or how much talk is talked , the series does not happen without a group of people who are prepared to do it because they love the sport first for no wages other than some expenses in some cases.

Well said and so correct. Its a little bit like Governments isnt it? So many people expect everything to be laid on for them and take so much for granted..

[brads]

By the way scrivy , thanks for the positive comments. However this needs to be fixed soon. A conference meeting with an agenda(as in timetable) not a talk fest. I behind anything that is positive for the future.

Ian

When and where??

[The Chow]

Hey Brad

How about say May 9-10 in Wellington. Venue to be annouced. Anyone else ready to do this?(by the way for nothing) you have to meet all expenses yourself. This is nothing to do with MNZ , this is just for people who wish to continue a successful series.As scrivy said maybe in the first year not the official championships.

We want dates and Circuits , Class ideas and more.. This won't be a talk fest it is has to try and achieve something.

Ian

[brads]

Hey Brad

How about say May 9-10 in Wellington. Venue to be annouced. Anyone else ready to do this?(by the way for nothing) you have to meet all expenses yourself. This is nothing to do with MNZ , this is just for people who wish to continue a successful series.As scrivy said maybe in the first year not the official championships.

We want dates and Circuits , Class ideas and more.. This won't be a talk fest it is has to try and achieve something.

Ian

95% sure Ill be there,Lets fix this f#@%k up and get the Champs back on track people

[The Chow]

The meeting isn't 100% by any means . If we are to have a meeting it has to be constructive and not pie in the sky stuff. Remember the series was run by voluteers but still cost money to run. The other problem is circuit availablity dates and the increased costs , try $20,000 for the weekend at one circuit during the last series. Don't believe it ask Mel at Vic Club.

So anything that is either proposed or implemented has to be costed out before hand.Because I know that's exactly what Paul Stewart use to do?

TV doesn't come free , advertising doesn't come free , nothing is free except voluteers time (sorry about spelling).

Also just to clarify a couple of things , all you people who are current Road Race MNZ licence holders , please cast your votes for President. Is it time for a change ? You be the judge , this cock up has happened under the current President and Board , is it time for a change? well you are probably dammed if you do or don't but one thing is for sure you will never know unless you vote.

This whole situation has come about completely un-necessary

[scrivy]

Hey Brad

How about say May 9-10 in Wellington. Venue to be annouced. Anyone else ready to do this?(by the way for nothing) you have to meet all expenses yourself. This is nothing to do with MNZ , this is just for people who wish to continue a successful series.As scrivy said maybe in the first year not the official championships.

We want dates and Circuits , Class ideas and more.. This won't be a talk fest it is has to try and achieve something.

Ian


I say sooner than that.

What about Taupo? Central for most? I can sort venue.

Do we post up an ideas list for an agenda?
eg. What classes, Supers/F1/Privateers etc,
What dates - when was a racer actually asked what dates they wanted?
Consecutive weekends.
Prizemoney?
TV coverage?
How many rounds?
Control tyres?
Giving more back for sponsors - eg whole class sponsor.
Making sure everyone has details of all rounds on their own websites.
Cheaper entries for newbies stepping up a class to boost numbers?

The list can be added to by concerned individuals.

[The Chow]

For North Islanders Yes , but if we are talking the whole country then wellington is better.

Also heres a thought why not make the Two tri-series circuit rounds count towards points?

[scrivy]

For North Islanders Yes , but if we are talking the whole country then wellington is better.

Also heres a thought why not make the Two tri-series circuit rounds count towards points?

Well, we could do. But it would mean an extra trip up north for the South Island riders - but they would get to do Wangy also..... (If they wanted to).

It would also mean extra costs for riders at my meeting though.... something they may not want.... but as you said, it would then add extra rounds to the Nat series.....

[The Chow]

hold that thought. Anyone else got any ideas? May be a round of the Vic winter series two day meet in September could be say a points round for say Formula 3/Pro Twin and 125GP an then the Tri-series have points for Superbike , Sidecars and 600SP only. There is no reason really why classes all have to at the same meeting is there?

The actual full on Championship dates would be all classes. That is if you can get the circuits (which is the biggest problem).

Just thoughts , any suggestions?

[Rcktfsh]

hold that thought. Anyone else got any ideas? May be a round of the Vic winter series two day meet in September could be say a points round for say Formula 3/Pro Twin and 125GP an then the Tri-series have points for Superbike , Sidecars and 600SP only. There is no reason really why classes all have to at the same meeting is there?

The actual full on Championship dates would be all classes. That is if you can get the circuits (which is the biggest problem).

Just thoughts , any suggestions?

I've one, isn't it about time you bought a new bike?

[The Chow]

too old and broke.:)

[Rcktfsh]

too old and broke.:)

I wasn't asking what your bike was like.

[The Chow]

Actually I do have a later model bike. 2007 Honda CT110 postie bike for my daily work.:scooter:

[brads]

hold that thought. Anyone else got any ideas? May be a round of the Vic winter series two day meet in September could be say a points round for say Formula 3/Pro Twin and 125GP an then the Tri-series have points for Superbike , Sidecars and 600SP only. There is no reason really why classes all have to at the same meeting is there?

The actual full on Championship dates would be all classes. That is if you can get the circuits (which is the biggest problem).

Just thoughts , any suggestions?

Didnt that happen a few years back?? f3 and 125s had a couple of different rounds as did SBK and 600s(with the cars i think),2001/03??
Why did that stop? Also wanganui was part of the Sport production Nats back in the 90s.

[The Chow]

Funny how there are not many new ideas eh Brad!

May be with a bit of thought and it could happen again.

Anyway that's my lot for now , have to fire up the 110 and get back out on road.

As previously stated someone needs to pick up the dropped batten and run with it and I'm happy to work with anyone who needs some assistance.


:bye:

[Bykmad]

Wanganui stopped being part of the Nationals because they didnt want the hassles of all the regulations put in place for a Nationals class or classes to run at their event. Those regulations are the General Competition Rules that are put in place by MNZ members (Not MNZ on their own).

[Scouse]

This is my choice for the next Road Race Man, You would be very good at this job Mate.Hi Shaun no argument re Scrivy etc but you are deluding yourself if you think that the commissioners positions are a popularity contest IE that the guy with the most votes gets the Job, wrong commissioners are appointed by an interview in front of a panel of MNZ appointee's.

[sidecar bob]

Hi Shaun no argument re Scrivy etc but you are deluding yourself if you think that the commissioners positions are a popularity contest IE that the guy with the most votes gets the Job, wrong commissioners are appointed by an interview in front of a panel of MNZ appointee's.

Why is that? MNZ clearly sit on their collective fat arses & pay checks while the poor bastard that is elected puts in over 1000 hours a year volintarily.
Why would MNZ give a flying fuck who it is when theyre not paying him? Or do they interview him so as to be sure that the dude will put up with the shit that they dish out to him?

[brads]

Why is that? MNZ clearly sit on their collecltve fat arses & pay checks while the poor bastard that is elected puts in over 1000 hours a year voulintarily.
Why would MNZ give a flying fuck who it is, when theyre not paying him? Or do they interview him so as to be sure that the dude will put up with the shit that they dish out to him?

I would say your dead right there mate,have known Paul S for many years now,hes a top bloke with everyones interest at heart,anyone else would have told them where to shove it ages ago!

[oyster]

Here we are bagging MNZ again... The quality of OUR adminstration and leadership is in direct proportion to our (yes us the licence holder's),APATHY.
Last year we had a crucial election for Road Race Board members.
North island, only one candidate. Is everbody happy with him? Do you even know who he is?
South Island, two candidates. The winner got in with 53 votes, 3 ahead of the other. Was this an election? Or just festival of apathy....
This year there is election for a new President. How many of us will take the time to consider how good the candidates are? Did we make an effort to put forward and promise to support good people we fel suitable? Will we vote?
Or does this process, which takes as long as checking you tyre pressures,
find you much too busy....

[Wingnut]

Here we are bagging MNZ again... The quality of OUR adminstration and leadership is in direct proportion to our (yes us the licence holder's),APATHY.
Last year we had a crucial election for Road Race Board members.
North island, only one candidate. Is everbody happy with him? Do you even know who he is?
South Island, two candidates. The winner got in with 53 votes, 3 ahead of the other. Was this an election? Or just festival of apathy....
This year there is election for a new President. How many of us will take the time to consider how good the candidates are? Did we make an effort to put forward and promise to support good people we fel suitable? Will we vote?
Or does this process, which takes as long as checking you tyre pressures,
find you much too busy....

So Passive Agressive..................

[scott411]

Here we are bagging MNZ again... The quality of OUR adminstration and leadership is in direct proportion to our (yes us the licence holder's),APATHY.
Last year we had a crucial election for Road Race Board members.
North island, only one candidate. Is everbody happy with him? Do you even know who he is?
South Island, two candidates. The winner got in with 53 votes, 3 ahead of the other. Was this an election? Or just festival of apathy....
This year there is election for a new President. How many of us will take the time to consider how good the candidates are? Did we make an effort to put forward and promise to support good people we fel suitable? Will we vote?
Or does this process, which takes as long as checking you tyre pressures,
find you much too busy....
.

one of the best posts i have read on here,

the biggest problem with MNZ is not people that are in postions of power, its the apathy of most of the licence holders,

[scrivy]

Here we are bagging MNZ again... The quality of OUR adminstration and leadership is in direct proportion to our (yes us the licence holder's),APATHY.
Last year we had a crucial election for Road Race Board members.
North island, only one candidate. Is everbody happy with him? Do you even know who he is?
South Island, two candidates. The winner got in with 53 votes, 3 ahead of the other. Was this an election? Or just festival of apathy....
This year there is election for a new President. How many of us will take the time to consider how good the candidates are? Did we make an effort to put forward and promise to support good people we fel suitable? Will we vote?
Or does this process, which takes as long as checking you tyre pressures,
find you much too busy....

Unfortunately Oyster, when people don't understand it, they bag it. Happens in all facets of life.
Would it matter if we all knew of the incumbents putting their names forward? Do we really know any of them?? Do we really know if they will bring their own politics to the table?? Do we really know if they will bring their own agendas to the table??

We may call it apathy, but in reality, unless the incumbent is fully supported by the board, the CEO, and President, then the new person will unfortunately be no better placed than the last. That is what most people think, so that is why most people dont vote. Apathy? I think its once bitten, twice shy....

Scrivy

Oh, and I sometimes check my tyre pressures....... :shutup:

[sidecar bob]

Oh, and I sometimes check my tyre pressures....... :shutup:

Yeah, usually AFTER a race. Ya munter. :yes:

[scrivy]

Yeah, usually AFTER a race. Ya munter. :yes:

Its called steering the ship by its wake!! :yes:

If we've gone out and had lots of fun sliding everywhere, I want to know what pressures I was running so I can do it again!!!!! :wari:
You da munter funker!!! :shutup::woohoo:

[sidecar bob]

.

one of the best posts i have read on here,

the biggest problem with MNZ is not people that are in postions of power, its the apathy of most of the licence holders,

I have found in business, that the staff adopt the attitudes of the managment. If the managment in this situation improved its outlook, im sure that the licence holders would too.
The first thing that even the dumbest licence holders noticed was the removal of prize money. Try dropping your staffs' wages a couple of dollars an hour & monitor their attitudes & productivity.
Its not so much about the actual money, but the percieved contempt with which the competitors believe they are being treated.

[Shaun]

I have found in business, that the staff adopt the attitudes of the managment. If the managment in this situation improved its outlook, im sure that the licence holders would too.
The first thing that even the dumbest licence holders noticed was the removal of prize money. Try dropping your staffs' wages a couple of dollars an hour & monitor their attitudes & productivity.
Its not so much about the actual money, but the percieved contempt with which the competitors believe they are being treated.



:gob: Where did you read that mate? :innocent: