Road Rage

[dpex]

What the hell causes this?

What causes some kid in a BMW to beat the snot out of an elderly man?

Would the same kid have tried to beat the snot out of me...when he figured I was maybe a bit more competition than an elderly man?

Is it possible the Greens are actually right and that sundry chemicals in our food are driving ever-more folk to simply lash out like savages?

How do we account for this in a so-called civilised society?

How do we explain this and adults beating children, putting children (babies, no less) in a drier for the adult's entertainment?

How do we explain a woman punching a five-month old baby in the head?

Is road-rage something unique, or is it an extension of what is becoming an ever-more bestial, careless, or perhaps even frightened society? A society which feels imprisoned yet helpless?

Road-rage is not limited to the low-lifes. It seems to be pan-socio-economic.

What causes the driver of the flash car to pull over to inhibit a lane-splitting biker? What causes a cager to dial *555 to report a biker merily lane-splitting?

What causes an otherwise ordinary woman to scream invective at another cager just trying to get from one stream of vast traffic into another?

I'd be keen to learn of your experiences, both as recipient of and progenator of road-rage.

[AllanB]

It's KB rage that worries me - it can get nasty in here :confused:

Drive carefully this long weekend KBers

[sinfull]

It's KB rage that worries me - it can get nasty in here :confused:


Your bloody referring to me now aint ya, right i'll see you in the chat room for a seeing to in five minutes !


If i'm not there in 6 start without me !

[Owl]

Your bloody referring to me now aint ya, right i'll see you in the chat room for a seeing to in five minutes !

Raging Bill

:laugh:

[duckonin]

:no:Heaps older than a "kid" at 27, hope he gets done hard as:spanking:, so many idgets in the world...

Could write a book on my experiences of road rage,ones I have been a part of and others I have seen..

[Okey Dokey]

Seems to be more common in big cities than rural NZ. Maybe because of the higher density of traffic leading to more confrontations? But then, why aren't there more bystanders to intervene?

I like to think that if something similar to this attack happened in my neck of the woods, someone would intervene.

[malfunconz]

sick as dudes down your way , meddling with dutch tourists . Bet this guy regrets getting outa his bigmoneywasted cage now .

[Okey Dokey]

Thanks for a reference to a non-road rage crime several hundred miles away.

Seriously, if you read kb threads, most of the rage is coming fom Auckland, isn't it? Probably most posts come from the cities, too; but it still sems out-of-proportion. I haven't had to post up about any road encounters from my many recent rides.

I think people are too anonymous in cities and act in a resultant manner.

[Dave Lobster]

How do we explain this and adults beating children, putting children (babies, no less) in a drier for the adult's entertainment?

How do we explain a woman punching a five-month old baby in the head?


Road-rage is not limited to the low-lifes. It seems to be pan-socio-economic.


I can see a connection between all of these incidents..


What the hell causes this?




KFC?





What causes the driver of the flash car to pull over to inhibit a lane-splitting biker? What causes a cager to dial *555 to report a biker merily lane-splitting?


He's a cock that isn't looking where he's going, or using his mirrors before changing position in the road.
Or, he's jealous that someone is getting home before him.. rather than sitting in a cage holding him up.

[klingon]

...I like to think that if something similar to this attack happened in my neck of the woods, someone would intervene.

My thoughts exactly. So many witnesses but nobody to help the guy? But apparently some people did intervene - it just happened so fast that the serious injuries were already done. :(

I guess more will come out when it all goes to court.

A bit extra disturbing for me as it's on my regular commuting route. I was nowhere near it at the time, but it just makes it that bit more 'real'.

[Molly]

Would the same kid have tried to beat the snot out of me...when he figured I was maybe a bit more competition than an elderly man?


I thought exactly the same thing. The fucking coward.

[Mikkel]

I suppose passive resistance didn't work too well this time around.

But, poor jokes aside, you are correct - it is a disgrace to have to read about such occurances in the news.

However, the NZ standard for road-user competence is enough to drive anyone out of their skin... That's not to say that there is ever an excuse for inflicting bodily harm onto someone else for any other reason than self-defense.

[YellowDog]

The dumb fuck who murdered the 78 year old amazingly seems to have made it to 27 years of age without learning any of the absolute basics. You would have thought that to survive to that age he would have had to learnt something. Sadly he didn't even learn to repect his elders.

You can be sure that he had other things on his mind contributing to this extreme and disproportinate action. It is a real shame that he didn't choose to take out his frustrations on someone able to fight back and give him a lesson for his future.

I hope he meets many fellow prisoners with elderly relatives in the not too distant future.

[DarkLord]

The road seems to bring out the worst in people. I know it has with me in the past. I feel I've come a long way recently, but from my honest experience road rage comes from dark places in our own lives that we have not truly faced up to and dealt with yet. It is a lot easier to keep them repressed when we are not on the road, but driving has a way of bringing those things right to the surface, and until we face those things in our own lives and deal with them, we will continue to struggle with road rage, regardless of how good or bad the driving is around us.

People's stupid actions will always upset us, especially if they put us in danger but to go to the extent that this guy has shows there is something seriously wrong inside that guys mind.

[Laxi]

It's KB rage that worries me - it can get nasty in here :confused:

Drive carefully this long weekend KBers

what the #$##$ are you $%#$#n talking about you $%$#n #%$%#$#$ing %^%^$$er, there's no #$%^^$n rage on this $%##n site, say that again and ill %$$^%%^n come round your place and @#$$%n ram your #@$$#%n #$%$%$ up your #$%$#n!!!:chase:

[Dave Lobster]

From the pic of him I saw y'day, he looked very much like a gang member, although the paper (obviously) didn't say anything of the sort.

He'll probably be with a lot of his 'family' in prison.

[Murray]

He's only been in the country a year. Who let him in????

Personally I think road rage comes down to not waving enough!!!

[Edbear]

It's an interesting topic for sure. There's no excuse for what that guy did and same goes for the other incidents mentioned.

Personally, I find I don't get upset on the bike, as I know I'll be past and away in seconds if I come up behind your typical incompetent. I get most frustrated with drivers who can't hold a consistent speed.

Surprisingly, when I took my Son-in-law to New Plymouth last weekend in the MX5, I didn't get frustrated then either. It's the next best thing to a bike in traffic and a barrel of fun anywhere!

It's really only in the Pulsar I get frustrated as it doesn't have the grunt to pass quickly and it's a "normal" cage.

I do find in traffic that while some see me coming and move over, (including the cops), the flash car drivers tend to doggedly remain close to the line and refuse. Even the big rigs will often veer over to let me through!

[Edbear]

He's only been in the country a year. Who let him in????

Personally I think road rage comes down to not waving enough!!!

Perzackery! I allus acknowledge courtesy with a wave, and ignorance with another wave...

[Okey Dokey]

But apparently some people did intervene - it just happened so fast that the serious injuries were already done. :(


Thanks for sharing that, klingon. I hadn't heard or read it, but it is great to know that people did try to help.

[Laava]

:ar15:Just spray and walk away!:ar15:

[Ms Piggy]

My theory with road rage or any kind of violence (be it toward children, women or older people or anyone really) is that the perpetrator for what ever reason goes beyond the point of reason, they cross the line and allow their anger to override any logical feelings - I dunno why because it's not something I know a lot about. You know, instead of stopping and thinking 'Okay this is an old guy' they just allow their anger to take hold, you that saying "blind with rage", it must be like that.

I do think there's a difference between anger/violence that causes people to lash out quickly (like road rage) and they type of ongoing abuse that was inflicted upon the poor little girl that was (among other things)put in the drier.

[Maki]

He must have had a good life till now. Why else would he get so upset about a little dent in a car? Nothing bad ever happened to him before I guess...

[KiwiRat]

I see in the Harold that one witness called the offender a "body builder".

Roid rage?????????

[PeteMun]

Tougher punishment with no luxerys in jail. Death penalty. Dont let so many bros off the boat.

[jaymzw]

Dont let so many bros off the boat.

Amen to that!!! :clap:
















I'm not racist, i have a colour TV

[peasea]

What the hell causes this?
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People on sports bikes.

[Dooly]

People on sports bikes.

Especially if they dont wave too eh....

[peasea]

Especially if they dont wave too eh....

Now THERE'S a good call for road rage! No fuckin' wave. Grrrr, makes ya wanna get your gun!

[98tls]

Ive a favourite road rage story from many moons ago,when much younger and working in Wellington as a hammer hand i was in a real hurry to get home after work one day so left my pouch on,threw on my swanny jumped on the bike (TT500) and off,stopped at a set of lights on the one way i get driven into from behind,not hard enough to knock me off but almost,i turn round to see 3 guys in a Holden ute laughing it up,the fact that it was deliberate made me see red so sidestand down walked back to the ute pulled out the Estwing and demolished there windscreen,bastards even had the gall to start screaming:rolleyes:walked back to the bike and carried on home,looking back it still makes me laugh,of all the days to piss around with someone on a bike.:nono:

[PeteMun]

Tougher punishment with no luxerys in jail. Death penalty. Dont let so many bros off the boat.




Amen to that!!! :clap:
















I'm not racist, i have a colour TV

Racism is the stupidest thing .. No way am I racist either.. Its a shame how most of the time you can pick the race that commited the crime before you hear it :(

[98tls]

Racism is the stupidest thing .. No way am I racist either.. Its a shame how most of the time you can pick the race that commited the crime before you hear it :( Wonder if back in the day those that didnt go to the movie theatre thought Hitler was a Samoan.
:nono:

[Insanity_rules]

Racism is the stupidest thing .. No way am I racist either.. Its a shame how most of the time you can pick the race that commited the crime before you hear it :(


I hate racism.................................. and the Swiss

[Finn]

The scientific reason for this incident is simple really. The killer had a high rate of vowels in his name (66.6% in his first name alone) and also was a sooty. The boy was a ticking timebomb.

[Finn]

Tougher punishment with no luxerys in jail. Death penalty. Dont let so many bros off the boat.

With the over representation of mongrels in this country, don't you think a birth penalty would work better? Stop the cash for babies welfare system for a start.

[awayatc]

Wonder if back in the day those that didnt go to the movie theatre thought Hitler was a Samoan.
:nono:

Or maybe this Samoan thought he was Hitler..?
He was driving on of his cars after all....

[Dave Lobster]

With the over representation of mongrels in this country, don't you think a birth penalty would work better? Stop the cash for babies welfare system for a start.

You must spread the rep around before awarding it to Finn again.

[Okey Dokey]

You must spread the rep around before awarding it to Finn again.

I'll give him some from both of us! :sunny:

[TimeOut]

With the over representation of mongrels in this country, don't you think a birth penalty would work better? Stop the cash for babies welfare system for a start.

Hey Finn you want to stand for PM I'll vote for you, bling sent

[mikeey01]

Apart from a whole lot of swearing everytime I read something like this and attack of elderly / kids etc.... the only other this I've to add...
Deport him! If he's an immigrant to NZ, send him home!

If they broke the law and are found guilty of serious assualt (this instance) and they have recently immigranted to NZ then they should be sent home.

[Dave Lobster]

Apart from a whole lot of swearing everytime I read something like this and attack of elderly / kids etc.... the only other this I've to add...
Deport him! If he's an immigrant to NZ, send him home!

If they broke the law and are found guilty of serious assualt (this instance) and they have recently immigranted to NZ then they should be sent home.

That only happens to white people, doesn't it?

[jaymzw]

That only happens to white people, doesn't it?

Of course otherwise your racist!!!

[Dean]

Dont let so many bros off the boat.

You know not all brown polynesians/maori are hoodlums, and sadly most put a stereotype on us. As far as i know i have eyes and so do you, i have ears and so do you, infact i have everything you have except in some parts maybe bigger (not being smart, who knows).
So these "bros" you speak of when i see one i see a man with eyes, i see a man with ears, i see a man with everything i have. I am sick and tired of hearing racisim all over kb, can you even tell if im maori behind my leather suit anyway, im just another rider through your visor.

Dean

[PeteMun]

Dont let so many bros off the boat.


You know not all brown polynesians/maori are hoodlums, and sadly most put a stereotype on us. As far as i know i have eyes and so do you, i have ears and so do you, infact i have everything you have except in some parts maybe bigger (not being smart, who knows).
So these "bros" you speak of when i see one i see a man with eyes, i see a man with ears, i see a man with everything i have. I am sick and tired of hearing racisim all over kb, can you even tell if im maori behind my leather suit anyway, im just another rider through your visor.

Dean

Hey man did you happen to read my other post further up this page?


Racism is the stupidest thing .. No way am I racist either.. Its a shame how most of the time you can pick the race that commited the crime before you hear it :(

I am definately not a racist nor have I ever been one.. I did know that not all polynesians/maori are hoodlums but I never mentioned anything about hoodlums ect.. Im sorry I offended you :Oops:

[Dean]

I am definately not a racist nor have I ever been one.. I did know that not all polynesians/maori are hoodlums but I never mentioned anything about hoodlums ect.. Im sorry I offended you :Oops:

I didn't mean to offend you if i sounded angry, i didn't read your other post.
In that case I'm sure you understood what i meant, i just don't know how some kbers cant stand Maori/Polynesian. I'm fighting similarly the perception on bikers, there's the squids that make big headlines that overshadow the good sensible riders of today. I'M not no saint but the media magnifies crimes in NZ associated with the Maori/Polynesian population. So much that when the society reads the newspaper they "catoragize" us into the common view.

[Dave Lobster]

In that case I'm sure you understood what i meant, i just don't know how some kbers cant stand Maori/Polynesian. I'm fighting similarly the perception on bikers, there's the squids that make big headlines that overshadow the good sensible riders of today. I'M not no saint but the media magnifies crimes in NZ associated with the Maori/Polynesian population. So much that when the society reads the newspaper they "catoragize" us into the common view.

I'm pretty sure that KBers can't stand maori/polynesian criminals, rather than maori/polynesian people per ce. Much the same sort of attitude they'd show to white criminals
I'm also not sure that the media needs to magnify crime related to the maori/polynesian population. Seriously, sit in a court (any court) for a day, and see how many of the people in there are polynesian. I'm in court quite a lot (with work), and well over 90% of the people going through are maori/polynesian. And a lot of it is violent crime/drugs/gang behaviour. Not the sort of thing that attracts the media attention.

[Maki]

If you beat a man to death you should be up on a murder charge. I don't care what color your skin happens to be, or where your mama was born...

[Beemer]

Seems to be more common in big cities than rural NZ. Maybe because of the higher density of traffic leading to more confrontations? But then, why aren't there more bystanders to intervene?

I like to think that if something similar to this attack happened in my neck of the woods, someone would intervene.

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that as I've experienced two incidents in little old Levin where people who were in the wrong have behaved threateningly towards me or my husband. In the first one, a woman who was beside me in a left-turning lane tried to cut in front of me to go straight through at a roundabout but didn't manage it. While I was waiting for a car to exit the roundabout, she then jumped out of her car and ran towards the driver's door of mine. Thankfully I was able to drive off, leaving her ranting and raving in the middle of the road with other drivers tooting at her. In the second incident, we were driving past Levin's adventure park when a guy in a white van pulled straight out in front of us. We tooted and he waved his fist at us and gave us the finger. I gave him the finger back so he swerved to the side of the road again, jumped out of his van and started running towards us. Again, we were lucky that there was a break in the traffic and we were able to move off, but what the fuck is going on when two people, both of whom were totally in the wrong, appear to want to thump US when we had done nothing wrong?

If I do something stupid (and we all do, at times) like pull out and not see another car as it may have been in my blind spot, I wave and mouth "sorry" - I don't shake my fist at them and make like it's their fault.

I notice the guy in Auckland who was responsible for that elderly man's death (even if they do discover he hit his head as he fell, he wouldn't have fallen if he hadn't been punched or pushed) was from the islands. Here's hoping they deport the bastard if that's the case. I don't want to point any fingers here but in both incidents I was involved with, the other driver was of the tanned persuasion.

[Dean]

I'm pretty sure that KBers can't stand maori/polynesian criminals, rather than maori/polynesian people per ce. Much the same sort of attitude they'd show to white criminals
I'm also not sure that the media needs to magnify crime related to the maori/polynesian population. Seriously, sit in a court (any court) for a day, and see how many of the people in there are polynesian. I'm in court quite a lot (with work), and well over 90% of the people going through are maori/polynesian. And a lot of it is violent crime/drugs/gang behaviour. Not the sort of thing that attracts the media attention.

I see what you mean, and some of the Maori population do get in to criminal behaviour and possibly spent/spending their sentence in juvenile detention or prison.
But i get painted with the same brush, the society of today "catorigize" me, i have noticed it in the past and still ever present. Its always your on one side, or the other from their viewpoint, take a look at crimes that were big time. The media control our thoughts and opinions on most things, take away our ability to discern and judgement. If someone (Maori) steals a motorbike per Ce and this person has a mental illness that was never treated and neglected for most of his life, the society paint him with the same brush as the murderers. They say hes good for nothing just like the other "coons", in no way did they show some mercy and understanding of what the person was going through at the time.