Why is there a negative attitude on KB towards MCs?

[Conquiztador]

After close to two years on here there is one thing that makes me wonder. Why is it that MC's (not gangs) are looked down on by the KB population?

Lately there was the newbie who asked re what MC to join and the replies he got. There is also the constant "we are better" attitude on here from riders. (Apart from a selected few). Somehow because the bike is a 2009 SwIzzbang FBS 1350 and the rider has the latest rain-off gear and a $1.5K airconditioned pot he/she is better then someone who has taken the full step and is devoting his/her life to biking.

I just don't get it. But I do admit that in many ways I am naive. I will wave to all and everyone who rides. Be that a MC, a weekend rider, a scooter. Jappa, Euro (includes Brittish) and American. And Chinese too. I dont have time to try and figure out what he/she is riding. I also stop to help anyone on a bike.

So many times on here all and his dog get in to the MC members (And that includes L-plate using 250cc riding wet-behind-the ear riders). It is like a sport, who can say the funniest, the most degrading stuff re them on a anonymous website. I would love to see the same ones say the same things at a rally/at the pub with some of the MC members around.

Surely riding a bike makes us all have something in common? If absolutley nothing else, then at least the love for the bikes, the wind, the speed and the freedom?

But perhaps I have missed something obvious. Please feel free to educate me.

And what gives me the right to say all this? A long time ago in another lifetime...

[The Pastor]

i dont give a shit.

[Conquiztador]

i dont give a shit.

I know. 10char

[short-circuit]

Arse Banditos

[scumdog]

Surely riding a bike makes us all have something in common? If absolutley nothing else, then at least the love for the bikes, the wind, the speed and the freedom?

.

In Kiwiland MC = gang (most of the time)

So while yes, while we all ride motorbikes most are not a gang-member.

Hence the attitude.

[Conquiztador]

Arse Banditos

You do impress me.

[short-circuit]

You do impress me.

I aim to please

[Conquiztador]

In Kiwiland MC = gang (most of the time)

So while yes, while we all ride motorbikes most are not a gang-member.

Hence the attitude.

And so, where do you draw the line between gang/mc?

[scumdog]

And so, where do you draw the line between gang/mc?

You wouldn't have to be Einstein to figure that out.

Most gang members have a bigger criminal record than the majority posting on here for a start...

[MaxCannon]

That thread was a riot.

Rightly or wrongly motorcycle clubs are associated with Gangs.
Whatever else gangs do most are involved with the manufacture and / or distribution of P (methanphetamine).

Now if you've never been around someone that was a P addict you probably don't know what all the fuss is about.
Put simply - there is no quicker way to ruin your life.

An enormous amount of crime is directly linked to P.

So it's all cool if you want to ride around with a bunch of mates - since they are all on cruisers it doesn't take much effort to pass them.
However once you start becoming a drug supply network then you've crossed a line.

So the short answer is that most of the public associates MCs with Gangs and gangs are bad because they are criminals responsible for huge numbers of burgalaries and the distribution of drugs - and drugs are bad , mmmmkay.

[McJim]

And so, where do you draw the line between gang/mc?

You don't. The clever drug lords create or adopt the "MC" and their image to do their work/intimidation for them. More often than not they also let their underlings take their beatings or do their jail time.

I think it actually stands for 'Mug Club'

[SMOKEU]

How do you differentiate between a gang and a club?

[popelli]

But perhaps I have missed something obvious. Please feel free to educate me.



why not hang around your local MC and educate yourself

if you hang around long enough you may become part of the entertainment

[FJRider]

After close to two years on here there is one thing that makes me wonder. Why is it that MC's (not gangs) are looked down on by the KB population?

Surely riding a bike makes us all have something in common? If absolutley nothing else, then at least the love for the bikes, the wind, the speed and the freedom?

But perhaps I have missed something obvious. Please feel free to educate me.

And what gives me the right to say all this? A long time ago in another lifetime...

A lot of this feeling boils down to the attitude of members of those clubs towards all OTHER motorcyclists...

[peasea]

You wouldn't have to be Einstien to figure that out.

Most gang members have a bigger criminal record than the majority posting on here for a start...

I disagree.

[KiwiKat]

In Kiwiland MC = gang (most of the time)

Now that's Crap! :scooter::scooter::scooter::scooter::scooter:

[peasea]

You don't. The clever drug lords create or adopt the "MC" and their image to do their work/intimidation for them. More often than not they also let their underlings take their beatings or do their jail time.

I think it actually stands for 'Mug Club'

Oh really?

[scumdog]

Now that's Crap! :scooter::scooter::scooter::scooter::scooter:

OK, I'll re-phrase that for the sensetive:

In Kiwiland most PATCHED M/C = gang. (most of the time)

(seeing as the o/p use to wear a patch of some sort)

[Winston001]

And so, where do you draw the line between gang/mc?

Not sure I understand your question because I haven't noticed the attitude mentioned.

Generally anyone who belongs to a motorcycle "club" and wears a patch with rockers, belongs to a gang. That is what I interpret when you say MC. The group are contemptuous of the law and other motorcyclists.

Individually, many are likeable, reasonable people to know. The problem arises when they are with their mates and need to be staunch.

Rightly or wrongly wearing a patch is an invitation for intense scrutiny by the police and rival gang members.

If there are gentle middle-class patched MC groups in NZ.......I've never seen them but I could be quite wrong.

[peasea]

Now that's Crap! :scooter::scooter::scooter::scooter::scooter:

I agree, sometimes, yes, not mostly......

Just because some self righteous cocks think that a patch means trouble it often creates trouble.

You're a Maori, therefore you're trouble.
Your're a Pom, you moan a lot.
You're a South African, you have stash of diamonds.
You're a biker with a patch, therefore you're scum.

It's generally propaganda. Sure, there's an element of truth to all legends and myths, but extrapolation appears to be the calling card of late. For example: the scene in Nelson at the moment. However, reality is far removed from the media hype.

The local M/C, (The Lost Breed) have spoken out.....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/2329616/Lost-Breed-speaks-out-over-gang-concerns

I would guess that those who take motorcycles seriously will just get on with the enjoyment of their chosen hobby. I sure will.

I went to the drags today at Motueka. I know members of the Red Devils were there, members of the Lost Breed were also there. No drama took place. It was a primo day enjoyed by all, with drag racing (including some very stout performances from bikers who rode all makes) being the main objective.

M/C members and non M/C members should unite to rid our nation of 'other' scourges and not bicker amongst themselves.

[McJim]

M/C members and non M/C members should unite to rid our nation of 'other' scourges and not bicker amongst themselves.

We can't - the patched ones always try to beat up the unpatched ones when we try to be friends. :(

[Conquiztador]

M/C members and non M/C members should unite to rid our nation of 'other' scourges and not bicker amongst themselves.

Never a more tru sentence spoken!

Bikers have more important issues to focus on then deviding our self in groups who of some obscure reason can not associate.

[peasea]

We can't - the patched ones always try to beat up the unpatched ones when we try to be friends. :(

Ya what?
Try to? Who did what to who when all this went down? Where?

What are you talking about?

[fire eyes]

I didn't realise they were looked down on .. I must have missed those threads.

Being here in Oz I have been contemplating joining a MC, for a number of reasons .. a significant one being I do not know many bikers that I can hook into over here and tag along with when I get my wheels, I do not have a partner who can teach or mentor me, I am pretty much on my own.

I heard about a MC through a work collegue and attended a club meeting about a week ago.

The club was born from the need to spread the awareness and education about child abuse, they utilize thier love of bikes to raise money and awareness. (I personally support the cause, and think it's a fantastic way of becoming pro-active.)

It was quite hardcase though because upon initial impressions they do come across like a bike gang .. long beards/cruisers/leathers/patches. Even the club house situated in the middle of nowhere had me a little unsure about what to expect (found out its situated in Hells Angels territory but HA leave the club alone because of the work they do) But sitting through thier meeting, hearing what they actually do, blew my mind and got the big thumbs up from me.

They have serious bike gang issues in Oz .. definitely not something I want to get tangled up in .. but my attitude about MC's have changed .. really I think if your interested in one ... attend a meet & greet or a club meeting and actually see what they are about .. MC's are not for everyone and that's ok to .. as for KBers downing MC's .. well I have resigned myself to the fact that negative attributions actually come part & parcel with KB .. still makes for interesting reading no less.

Ohh and if anyone gives me shit about wanting to join a MC .. unless you are prepared to move your arse over here and teach me all I need to know about riding you can just fk up :yes: and that is said with love.

[peasea]

Never a more tru sentence spoken!

Bikers have more important issues to focus on then deviding our self in groups who of some obscure reason can not associate.

You're one of many thousands who would relish unity.

Cheers big ears.

[Conquiztador]

We can't - the patched ones always try to beat up the unpatched ones when we try to be friends. :(

Perhaps your attitude might have a part here? After 23 years in NZ w/o a patch I have yet to meet a patched rider who wants to beat me up.

[scumdog]

Bikers have more important issues to focus on then deviding our self in groups who of some obscure reason can not associate.

About time somebody told some of the Aussie m/c types that...

[peasea]

About time somebody told some of the Aussie m/c types that...

Get on a plane, big boy.

[scumdog]

Get on a plane, big boy.

In best 21st century Kiwi manner: "Not MY job".

[TLMAN]

I went to the drags today at Motueka. I know members of the Red Devils were there, members of the Lost Breed were also there. No drama took place. It was a primo day enjoyed by all, with drag racing (including some very stout performances from bikers who rode all makes) being the main objective.

P dealing took place.....

[peasea]

In best 21st century Kiwi manner: "Not MY job".

And here's me thinking you were a big, rufty-tufty biker cop.

My mistake.

[peasea]

P dealing took place.....

How would you know what took place?
Were you there, buying?

[scumdog]

And here's me thinking you were a big, rufty-tufty biker cop.

My mistake.


No.

Your mistake was thinking I got paid enough to do it.

[James Deuce]

There are motorcycle clubs then there are "motorcycle clubs". The reality of "motorcycle clubs" has little to do with bikes, a communal spirit, or special interest in the field of motorcycling. But they are a minority.

The unfortunate byproduct of 40 years of constant propaganda is that "normal" people with an interest in motorcycling don't feel all that keen to create a "mototcycle club", simply because of the negative connotation. Owners groups, owners clubs, racing clubs, E-riders, KB, all of them avoid the club tag with the simple expedient of anagrams or not mentioning the word club in aything except constitutional documents, or an emphatic "Fuck off, KB isn't a club".

I don't care for motorcycle zealotry myself, but I do generally enjoy motorcycle people.

[AD345]

It's an interesting and ongoing discussion.

What makes a group a club?

What makes a club an MC?

What makes an MC an OMG?

I frequent a number of forums around the globe and this kind of discussion is not limited just to KB - the spectrum of views are fairly similar as well.

Some people bang on about 3 piece patches, some about territory rockers, others about 1%r's and the like. There's all sorts of theories and exceptions to every one - particularly in the States. They have LEO MC members shooting HA's in Sturgis, "Christian" bikers beating patch wearers to death and so on. It is more than a little surreal.

A group of us recently founded a local chapter of a US based club and we had (and are still having) some pretty lively discussions about what it means to us to be in the club. For us it boiled down to riding with each other in a common interest while explicitly allowing each of the members the freedom to express themselves. In fact we made that part of the opening statement of our charter:

"To allow members the freedom to associate with like minded individuals in shared enjoyment of motorcycle riding."

It might sound like a load of bollocks to a number of ya's - I'm not going to lose any sleep over that. We get it, and that's enough.

To make a rambling story a little shorter, people tend to react stereotypically to stereotypes - at least initially. I try to take people as they come and encourage others to do the same.

Thats about all you can do really.


Dave
President
Pure Freedom
Local Chapter* of the VMC

*Charter pending

[Conquiztador]

I did not want this to be a P thread.

But clearly part of the dislike on KB towards MC's is the drug trade.

But not all MC's do the selling.

It is like saying: "Bikers all ride to fast, therefore lets get rid of bikers".

[Big Dave]

<dl><dt>I sent the club a wire stating, PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION. I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT ME AS A MEMBER.</dt><dd class="author">Groucho Marx (http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Groucho_Marx/)</dd></dl>

[red675]

s'funny, the long way round guys always catch it for being too superficial, too commercial, too amateurish, too middle class (and even too upper class) ... too successful ???

but funnily enough they did all everyone here professes would make the archetypal brother motorcyclist but without patches and neither beat up anybody nor stole anything

well bugger me, they must actually come close to everybody's ideal - shame about the press they get

[TLMAN]

I did not want this to be a P thread.

But clearly part of the dislike on KB towards MC's is the drug trade.

But not all MC's do the selling.

It is like saying: "Bikers all ride to fast, therefore lets get rid of bikers".


Its not a P thread.

Peasea made reference to the lost breed and the red devils. Both are OMC's.

All OMC's without exception are involved in manufacture and distribution of illegal drugs.

Fact.

[Conquiztador]

Its not a P thread.

Peasea made reference to the lost breed and the red devils. Both are OMC's.

All OMC's without exception are involved in manufacture and distribution of illegal drugs.

Fact.

Facts are based on factual information. Not on what you read in papers that have as their main purpose to make money for their owners.

[TLMAN]

Facts are based on factual information. Not on what you read in papers that have as their main purpose to make money for their owners.

My facts are based on my regular dealings with these people.

[Conquiztador]

I do know of MC's in NZ that are a bunch of guys/gals that enjoy the riding and all that comes as part of it. If anyone is on here who is part of such club, please feel free to advertise on this thread!

[FJRider]

I do know of MC's in NZ that are a bunch of guys/gals that enjoy the riding and all that comes as part of it. If anyone is on here who is part of such club, please feel free to advertise on this thread!

I recall a few "gents" from an Invercargill "MC" did... once...

[Conquiztador]

why not hang around your local MC and educate yourself

if you hang around long enough you may become part of the entertainment

U be surprised...

[colsan1]

who gives a shit wether they have patches on or not.
As long as they dont use the wannabee outlaw image to intimidate others then theres no problem.
Its when they take their little fantasy too far and frighten or harass the general public
thats when problems start to arise.
TBH though it does strike me as a little childish. I mean there has to be some
serious insecurity issues going on if you feel you feel the need to dress and look like everyone around you.
still if thats what floats yer boat then go for it

[H00dz]

I belong to a group the we call the Matauri Motorcycle Club (MMC), there is a northern division and a southern division, to date our membership stands unofficially at about 11.

We basically started with a couple of mates and family members, who shared a passion for riding. from there we have a inducted others into the club.

There are no meetings, no charters and no fees......We wear no patches and would happily ride with all bikes

For me its just a call to ride, SIMPLE REALLY.

As a MMC, I like the thought that there are others out there who are my "Brothers of the Road" and will take care of each other if one of us gets into trouble (mechanical,that is)
Thats my take on this........

[peasea]

No.

Your mistake was thinking I got paid enough to do it.

Like you would anyway.....

[peasea]

I did not want this to be a P thread.

But clearly part of the dislike on KB towards MC's is the drug trade.

But not all MC's do the selling.

It is like saying: "Bikers all ride to fast, therefore lets get rid of bikers".

A 'P' thread? Where'd that come from?

[Conquiztador]

A 'P' thread? Where'd that come from?

I was reading between the lines (No pun intended...)

[peasea]

Its not a P thread.

Peasea made reference to the lost breed and the red devils. Both are OMC's.

All OMC's without exception are involved in manufacture and distribution of illegal drugs.

Fact.

Sorry to have to say it; you're wrong.

[TLMAN]

Sorry to have to say it; you're wrong.

Im almost starting to think youre in one/would like to be Peter, you defend them with such a passion....

[peasea]

who gives a shit wether they have patches on or not.
As long as they dont use the wannabee outlaw image to intimidate others then theres no problem.


Quite right.

Unless something happens, why fix it?

OK. Many might say "pre-empt the issue" but others might say "don't create an issue where there isn't one".


I am in a curious situation where my work spills over into a social circumstance. It involves many M/C's and S/C's, as well as individual bikers whose rides are worthy of ink. Do I have to take sides to get my job done?

I take each biker and his/her bike on its (their) merits.

I trust they take me on my own.

[Conquiztador]

Im almost starting to think youre in one/would like to be Peter, you defend them with such a passion....

And I almost start to think that you are in the police force... You have such a dislike towards them.

[Tink]

I think that there is a difference tween MC and gangs... like MG & MC... GANGS & CLUBS...

Just my forced behind my back opinion.... :sweatdrop

[MarkH]

I think that there is a difference tween MC and gangs... like MG & MC... GANGS & CLUBS...

I definitely agree with this - there is a huge difference between some criminal gang whose members ride motorcycles and a club whose members get together to ride bikes. e.g. Ulysses is a motorcycle club, they are not criminals.

I despise gangs that sell 'upside down b' but have no problems with genuine motorcycle 'clubs'.

[breakaway]

This is why:

<img src='http://www.arinmorf.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/20040319h.jpg'/>

[aahsv]

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/nsw-parliament-passes-tough-bikie-laws-20090403-9lb2.html

[Renegade]

id be interested to know from a police perspective if and which MC clubs they had entered and found drugs and firearms on the premises and which if any of these clubs had proven to be clean as a whistle from the drug scene.

Also i note that the names of the clubs are'nt friendly ie, hells angels, red devils, devils henchman, satans slaves, outlaws, etc just to name a few.

Also there are the clubs that are known for the criminal under tones like the hells angels and satans slaves.

I have met people from some of the clubs mentioned above and individually seem relatively normal at face value however i wouldnt trust them to not burn me for what ever they decided at any given time.

[scumdog]

Like you would anyway.....

You got me.

It's actually because I don't freakin' care...

[Tink]

As I said earlier, it would be nice if we could refer to the motorcycle gangs, as such rather than categorizing them as clubs... as would this not be a detriment to the in fact "good" clubs, around NZ... and as some have pointed out there is definitely a difference between the two.

:) peace out

[Beemer]

T...Rightly or wrongly motorcycle clubs are associated with Gangs...

So the short answer is that most of the public associates MCs with Gangs and gangs are bad because they are criminals responsible for huge numbers of burgalaries and the distribution of drugs - and drugs are bad , mmmmkay.

If the general public is that dumb, there's no hope for us! My husband and I belong to three motorcycle clubs - two road riding clubs (one brand-specific) and one dirt riding club. Apart from one tosser who got kicked out of one of the clubs for antisocial behaviour (including drug use), we haven't seen any criminal activity. I certainly haven't noticed people looking sideways at us when we pull up at a cafe or a service station either - mostly they come over to check out the bikes or they at least smile as we walk past.

I was a member of WIMA when I first began riding and got a great deal of help from the members. I'm no longer a member as I moved away from Wellington and there wasn't a branch near where I lived.

We get a lot out of the clubs we belong to - friendship, help, advice, etc but that is what happens when like-minded people get together regardless of what brings them together. By the same token, there's nothing wrong with just going riding with a few of your mates - or alone - and not joining a club.

[McJim]

I don't think we are talking about Auckland Motorcycle Club, Southland Motorcycle Club, Harley Owners Group, Ducati Owners Club or anything like that. I believe the motorcycle clubs being discussed here are The Mongrel Mob, Road Knights, Nomads, Headhunters, Red Devils, Hells Angels and Mormon Few :Pokey:motorcycle clubs.

Subtly different I'm sure you'll agree.

[fire eyes]

Since when was the Mongrel Mob a MC? geez if that's the case I am really out of the loop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Taz]

It is like saying: "Bikers all ride to fast, therefore lets get rid of bikers".

I disagree most bikers dont ride fast as bikers ride harleys (mostly)

"Motorcyclists ride fast so lets get rid of motorcyclists"

[McJim]

Since when was the Mongrel Mob a MC? geez if that's the case I am really out of the loop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe they're just more honest about their 'raison d'etre' :rofl:

[Conquiztador]

I don't think we are talking about Auckland Motorcycle Club, Southland Motorcycle Club, Harley Owners Group, Ducati Owners Club or anything like that. I believe the motorcycle clubs being discussed here are The Mongrel Mob, Road Knights, Nomads, Headhunters, Red Devils, Hells Angels and Mormon Few :Pokey:motorcycle clubs.

Subtly different I'm sure you'll agree.

Well...
MM does not call them self MM MC. They might have some members who ride bikes, but I would say that is as far as it goes.

HH has MC since the 90's in their name. But lately there has been a move back to the old days of driving around in cars. Some of the members don't like the MC.

The other 4 yes. But even in my world of no lines drawn, some of them are questionable gangs.

But there is a large group of MC's that make no noise just get on with what they like doing. There was a thread re Lost Breed MC lately. Anglo-American MC used to be very strong some years ago. We have Bay MC in HB, Mothers MC in Palmerston Nth, Magog MC in New Plymouth, Jokers in Ashburton (I think they call them self SC to distinguish them self from the gangs), East Coast Riders and list goes on.

[jrandom]

The Mongrel Mob

Ethnic gang. Nothing to do with MCs.

[McJim]

But there is a large group of MC's that make no noise just get on with what they like doing. There was a thread re Lost Breed MC lately. Anglo-American MC used to be very strong some years ago. We have Bay MC in HB, Mothers MC in Palmerston Nth, Magog MC in New Plymouth, Jokers in Ashburton (I think they call them self SC to distinguish them self from the gangs), East Coast Riders and list goes on.

But why do so many of them allow themselves to be exploited by criminals and used as a badge for intimidation, violence and drug peddling?

In short, why do they feel the need to portray a "Harder than you" image if it's only about bikes?

It just appears to me that the Motorcycle Clubs that use big arsed patches are simply trawling in groups for a fight but would run away if the odds looked even.:Pokey:

[fire eyes]

Maybe they're just more honest about their 'raison d'etre' :rofl:

Don't you mean broke?

Well that's not entirely true .. there are a few rich ones .. my family has an established relationship with the MM in Porirua (family used to live in Porirua, guess the relationship just kinda happened lol) ... not once did I see a Motorcycle .. saw alot of other things .. but not a Motorcycle .. must have been an off day!

[short-circuit]

Yeah! We've got no issues with the Hell's Anals, the Blownads, the Road Shites, the Moron Two etc... But where are the Arse Banditos.

Gosh they're all my heroes. Where's my autograph book. Can you sign it first for me Corn-Queef-the-Whore?

[Conquiztador]

Yeah! We've got no issues with the Hell's Anals, the Blownads, the Road Shites, the Moron Two etc... But where are the Arse Banditos.

Gosh they're all my heroes. Where's my autograph book. Can you sign it first for me Corn-Queef-the-Whore?

U need a hug?:hug:

[McJim]

Ethnic gang. Nothing to do with MCs.

I'll be honest. I haven't seen any of them at the Toastmaster meetings so I surmised that none of them are actually Masters of Ceremony...which is what MC means. Any other acronym is subsequent and is therefore defeated by precedent.

Trying to imagine them all in tuxedos :rofl:

[short-circuit]

Trying to imagine them all in tuxedos :rofl:

Why not? The gang regalia is just as "dress up" and equally laughable

[short-circuit]

U need a hug?:hug:

Yeah actually. Go on.... club(gang/group) hug

:grouphug:

[paulmac]

what about patriots MC ?

[short-circuit]

what about patriots MC ?

Yeah sorry, forgot about the Matriarchs MC

[pritch]

There are gang members that I have known for over 35 years, individually many are fine to deal with, but collectively would have the potential to be problematic.

The "attitude" problems mentioned originated with, and are actively promoted by, the gang members themselves.

Many MC gangs have "club" in the title and are registered as incorporated societies for legal reasons.

How strongly they feel about Japanese bikes was made apparent to me recently when I came across a gang member of my acquaintance walking. There being little chance of meeting a member of the constabulary on that road the following exchange took place,
"Want a ride?"
"No thanks."
"Nobody will know."
"I'd know."

After a brief exchange of pleasantries I rode away and he kept walking.

[YellowDog]

There are gang members that I have known for over 35 years, individually many are fine to deal with, but collectively would have the potential to be problematic.

The "attitude" problems mentioned originated with, and are actively promoted by, the gang members themselves.

Many MC gangs have "club" in the title and are registered as incorporated societies for legal reasons.

How strongly they feel about Japanese bikes was made apparent to me recently when I came across a gang member of my acquaintance walking. There being little chance of meeting a member of the constabulary on that road the following exchange took place,
"Want a ride?"
"No thanks."
"Nobody will know."
"I'd know."

After a brief exchange of pleasantries I rode away and he kept walking.
As someone who has only been in NZ for 3 years, this thread has been a real education. I had no idea and my first experience of an NZ Motorcycle Club was from a middle aged customer with a 40 year old Norton motorcycle (I had no idea whatelse he was up to).

So thanks to those whom have attempted to give both sides of the arguament.

[hospitalfood]

i have an issue with the image of a lot of clubs and gangs.
the "tough guy" thing is not my scene, and most clubs when out riding look just like gangs without patches.

it really saddens me. I don't know how or when motorcycles became "tough" but i think it makes life worse for most of us.
I went to a friends birthday at a local bike club recently and it had this "tough" easyrider kind of image going on. it was a real shame because they are great guys who own a property with a clubroom, just not my cup of tea because of the image they have. cop magnets and intimidating to others.

[Beemer]

I would not class the Mongrel Mob as a motorcycle club - in fact most of them drive clapped out old cars - after all, you can't fit much beer or many ho's on the back of a bike!

Our bike club is an incorporated society but it's certainly not a gang.

[98tls]

There are gang members that I have known for over 35 years, individually many are fine to deal with, but collectively would have the potential to be problematic.

The "attitude" problems mentioned originated with, and are actively promoted by, the gang members themselves.

Many MC gangs have "club" in the title and are registered as incorporated societies for legal reasons.

How strongly they feel about Japanese bikes was made apparent to me recently when I came across a gang member of my acquaintance walking. There being little chance of meeting a member of the constabulary on that road the following exchange took place,
"Want a ride?"
"No thanks."
"Nobody will know."
"I'd know."

After a brief exchange of pleasantries I rode away and he kept walking. Strange eh,Harleys are not my thing(though wouldnt rule owning out down the track) but to take dislike to that level,nuts.The Harley thing in the states i can understand to a point "im American so will ride American etc" and all the history that goes with it but none of it is relevant here,reeks of wannabies just like the stupid little fuckers getting round with baseball caps on sideways,pants 3 times bigger than what they should have.Might be the thing in the Bronx but looks well stupid in small Kiwi town.

[Tank]

Bikers, who cannot tell the difference between the likes of Black Power / M Mob, Hells angles from HOGS, RATS, and the Thursday night ride deserve everything they get.

People who argue that they are 'clubs' can use the same logic that pedophiles are simply attentive child minders.

[Tony W]

After close to two years on here there is one thing that makes me wonder. Why is it that MC's (not gangs) are looked down on by the KB population?

.


Because they look like criminals.

[zzzbang]

M/C members and non M/C members should unite to rid our nation of 'other' scourges and not bicker amongst themselves.

sorry but just because we have a hobby in common doesnt make us some great big family. ive never met you, and i dont know what you believe in/ how you go about your business. rid our nation of scourges? we ride motorcycles, we arent some vigilantes ridding the world of crime and terrorism.

[Winston001]

I don't think we are talking about Auckland Motorcycle Club, Southland Motorcycle Club, Harley Owners Group, Ducati Owners Club or anything like that.

I believe the motorcycle clubs being discussed here are Highway 61, Road Knights, Nomads, Headhunters, Red Devils, Hells Angels and Mormon Few :Pokey: motorcycle clubs...


A post with sanity. :niceone:

I despair. The discussion has lost focus because we aren't all talking about the same thing.

My reading of the OP question was that it referred to Outlaw Motorcycle Clubs, OMC aka biker gangs. It never occurred to me that Ulysses etc was included. No way.

I've never noticed any prejudice against ordinary bike clubs on KB. Indeed I regard KB itself as a loose sort of club, network, whatever.

As for OMC members, individually they can be decent people. Its only with their mates that trouble becomes a potential hazard. Not all members engage in heavy criminal activity but.....they also accept it as part of the team activities.

Anyway here is a previous good discussion on the topic including a bit of history http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=62377&highlight=gang

[P38]

Not sure I understand your question because I haven't noticed the attitude mentioned.

Generally anyone who belongs to a motorcycle "club" and wears a patch with rockers, belongs to a gang. That is what I interpret when you say MC. The group are contemptuous of the law and other motorcyclists.

Individually, many are likeable, reasonable people to know. The problem arises when they are with their mates and need to be staunch.

Rightly or wrongly wearing a patch is an invitation for intense scrutiny by the police and rival gang members.

If there are gentle middle-class patched MC groups in NZ.......I've never seen them but I could be quite wrong.

A lot of Ulysses Members wear a "Club Badge".
They proudly wear it on he back of their jackets, some with a rocker stating their local club name.
I'd hardly class them as a criminal organisation, yet they are probally NZ's largest Motorcycle Club with close to 4,000 members.

[Fatt Max]

I'll be honest. I haven't seen any of them at the Toastmaster meetings so I surmised that none of them are actually Masters of Ceremony...which is what MC means. Any other acronym is subsequent and is therefore defeated by precedent.

Trying to imagine them all in tuxedos :rofl:

I honesty thought MC was something to do with the people of Scotland. I mean, who could forget the legendary Scottish rapper, McHammer..?

[Ixion]

Not sure I understand your question because I haven't noticed the attitude mentioned.

Generally anyone who belongs to a motorcycle "club" and wears a patch with rockers, belongs to a gang. That is what I interpret when you say MC. The group are contemptuous of the law and other motorcyclists.

Individually, many are likeable, reasonable people to know. The problem arises when they are with their mates and need to be staunch.

Rightly or wrongly wearing a patch is an invitation for intense scrutiny by the police and rival gang members.

If there are gentle middle-class patched MC groups in NZ.......I've never seen them but I could be quite wrong.

Well, I do not belong to any "clubs" , never have - but I am contemptuous of the law. It's an ass.

And such (few) patched Hell's Angels as I have encountered (and some others whose affiliation I do not remember) have not struck me as contemptuous of other motorcyclists. Or, at any rate not to any greater degree than the majority of Harley riders. I recall them as being , generally, very skilled riders, too, though that was back when they rode Triumphs.

Though I am not so naive as to believe that they were not BadMen who it would be unwise to cross .

Gangs such as the Mongrel Mob and Black Power are quite a different matter . But they are not motorcycle clubs ,and have very little connection with motorcycling. They could equally well be termed Car Clubs. It is unfortunate that the media in their usual imbecilic fashion insist on associating bikes, and bikes, with such losers.

[98tls]

Fwiw way back in the day there was in Ch-ch a number of MM that got around on bikes,passed them a few times on the Summit road,as a footnote it was around the same time they got a contract to from memory clear or dig drainage ditches up there,they managed to fuck that up as when leaving one night left some/a tool on the road which ended up being hit by a guy on a Laverda from memory causing his death.

[scumdog]

Well, I do not belong to any "clubs" , never have - but I am contemptuous of the law. It's an ass.

And such (few) patched Hell's Angels as I have encountered (and some others whose affiliation I do not remember) have not struck me as contemptuous of other motorcyclists. Or, at any rate not to any greater degree than the majority of Harley riders. I recall them as being , generally, very skilled riders, too, though that was back when they rode Triumphs.

Though I am not so naive as to believe that they were not BadMen who it would be unwise to cross .

Gangs such as the Mongrel Mob and Black Power are quite a different matter . But they are not motorcycle clubs ,and have very little connection with motorcycling. They could equally well be termed Car Clubs. It is unfortunate that the media in their usual imbecilic fashion insist on associating bikes, and bikes, with such losers.


You are nae-eve

[kunoichi]

ok here's one for u guys. Went to a motorbike shop to look for some leathers, and was talking to the sales person about it.

salesperson: So y do u wanna get leathers wen u'v got cordurals?
me: kuz i'm starting to get more confident and going faster in group rides. I might not be racing or a racer but might as well get their protection.
salesperson: Group rides...you with kiwibiker then?
me: yip!
salesperson:....each to their own i suppose
me: :gob:



So there r ppl hu rn't the biggest fans of KB, but y? I mean i know we have our fair share of accidents, but there is warning b4 group rides e.g. its ur ass if u go beyond the speed limits, each to their own, and sure we banter alot on our site about certain things, but i never thought we had a negative reputation.

...any thoughts?

[Ixion]

Perhaps. But no more so than he who believes that the well spoken , well dressed rider on the new BMW is not , perhaps, a crooked financier, who will sooner or later come to the attention of the Serious Fraud Office, lose said BMW and be sent to prison for fraud. Though the latter is a LOT easier to get away with than pushing drugs, though it probably ruins as many lives.

There are probably at least as many crooks , and as nasty, on bikes without patches as there are with patches.

[98tls]

ok here's one for u guys. Went to a motorbike shop to look for some leathers, and was talking to the sales person about it.

salesperson: So y do u wanna get leathers wen u'v got cordurals?
me: kuz i'm starting to get more confident and going faster in group rides. I might not be racing or a racer but might as well get their protection.
salesperson: Group rides...you with kiwibiker then?
me: yip!
salesperson:....each to their own i suppose
me: :gob:



So there r ppl hu rn't the biggest fans of KB, but y? I mean i know we have our fair share of accidents, but there is warning b4 group rides e.g. its ur ass if u go beyond the speed limits, each to their own, and sure we banter alot on our site about certain things, but i never thought we had a negative reputation.

...any thoughts? Methinks any motorcycle salesman with a bad attitude towards a large group of motorcyclists that live in his back yard wont be making much money,maybe hes making to much money........methinks not.

[McJim]

salesperson:....each to their own i suppose

C'mon, spill the beans - name and shame. who was it? Which shop? Are you absolutely sure the salesperson wasn't referring to your inability to use complete words? :rofl:

[kunoichi]

C'mon, spill the beans - name and shame. who was it? Which shop? Are you absolutely sure the salesperson wasn't referring to your inability to use complete words? :rofl:

I can use full words, just choose not too kuz it's quicker typing this way and gets the message across quickly, and punctually.:bash:

Have no idea wot her name was, and i'm not gunna give details kuz i'm a regular enuf customer there, plus she's hooking me up with leathers.

[McJim]

I can use full words, just choose not too kuz it's quicker typing this way and gets the message across quickly, and punctually.:bash:

Might be quicker to type but I take a lot longer to read the post and then get sarcastic about the youth of today and their bad education.
You have a full keyboard - there is no excuse. Go and get a patch :rofl:

[kunoichi]

:whocares:
it's not that big a deal & i'd prefer to stick to topic.
so has anybody else come across negativity towards KB before?

[Ixion]

Take no notice of the Glaswegian gentleman. He means no harm, it is just that he is very old, and comes from Glasgow.

[McJim]

:whocares:
it's not that big a deal & i'd prefer to stick to topic.
so has anybody else come across negativity towards KB before?

All the time in Auckland. A lot of noobies get on KB and think that all of a sudden they know it all and have some sort of power in their pocket coz they're on KB. Then they go galavanting around the bike shops trying to knock down their deals and threatening to out the shops on KB if they don't get a bargain.

This isn't on topic either as we are not talking about motorcycling clubs per se but lifestyle choice groups that use motorcycles as a front for illegal activities.

And as far as the text talk - I care :angry2:- and I will let Almighty Hitcher know of you....we shall be watching:yes:

[98tls]

:whocares:
it's not that big a deal & i'd prefer to stick to topic.
so has anybody else come across negativity towards KB before? Go back a little there Silver,twas you that changed the topic.

[kunoichi]

i meant changing topic to my typing style. If wanted we can start a new thread about that. I was just saying that yes it seems that KB has alot of negativity towards MC's, but i was shocked to find people being negative about KB. Just woundering if any of u heard any logical reasoning behind people hating KB?

As for the glorified newbs, yes wen i first jumped on my bike and went for a group ride, i did some typical newbi mistakes (riding out of my comfort zone), but since have scaled back and just enjoyed the riding for the sake of riding. I don't think anybody should think that they have power in their pockets just because they are with a club. Clubs are meant to be a resource for knowledge and help, nothing more. Any blackmailing is just low.

[Fatt Max]

Check out these dudes,

Now if this MC club is not a gang, then I dont know who is....

[fire eyes]

Check out these dudes,

Now if this MC club is not a gang, then I dont know who is....

hahahahaha ... damnnnnnnnn they rock .. got any contact details? I'd like to attend one of thier monthly meetings :scooter:

[98tls]

Check out these dudes,

Now if this MC club is not a gang, then I dont know who is.... Must have been taken when the cocoa bean was hard to sell.

[avgas]

I ride alone.
I may attend a group ride - but never have the great joy of associating myself with a bunch of guys on bikes, with the occasional plonker.
I very rarely see the positive side to MC, gun clubs, golf clubs....... and seem to always see the negative.
If you don't like it - prove me wrong.
Make a MC which is all about the individual.

[peasea]

sorry but just because we have a hobby in common doesnt make us some great big family. ive never met you, and i dont know what you believe in/ how you go about your business. rid our nation of scourges? we ride motorcycles, we arent some vigilantes ridding the world of crime and terrorism.

I'll admit that vigilates we aren't and probably shouldn't be but there occasionally comes a time where the odd spot of vigilante behaviour is called for and justified. C'mon; if you were down town and saw some guy/gal being set upon by a group of thugs would you and your mates not step in? Waiting for the 'correct authorities' could prove fatal.

[peasea]

Im almost starting to think youre in one/would like to be Peter, you defend them with such a passion....

I just say it as I see it. No I don't belong to an MC, never have. I did hang out with a bunch of guys for years in Wellington and we had a damned good time but the only clubs I've ever joined were car clubs. Again, there were great people and there were some not so great people in both groups but I would have no hesitation in defending their right to JOIN a club should they choose to do so.

An Ozzie drag racer recently retired from the scene after threats were made on his life, sold the whole show and I've since heard (albeit second hand) that P had something to do with it. That doesn't mean that all ADRA members are P dealers.

If you want to ride a Jap bike than that is your choice and you have a right to make that choice. I don't like Jap bikes but I would defend the principle for you to be able to choose. If you get plucked doing wheelies through town be it on your own head. If a club member does something illegal, same applies.

[peasea]

You got me.

It's actually because I don't freakin' care...

I bet you do really, deep down inside.

Re your question......I have PM'd you and thanks for noticing.

[Riding LockedDown]

I think the problem is, is that there is no decent MC clubs... Like ones with a cool patch and dont sell drugs and murder and rape people.... Just dont seem to mix, with patch comes drugs and gangsters...

Maybe someone should start an MC with a cool name and cool patch, and for once not sell P and shit, and then fuck I'd join...

[peasea]

I think the problem is, is that there is no decent MC clubs... Like ones with a cool patch and dont sell drugs and murder and rape people.... Just dont seem to mix, with patch comes drugs and gangsters...

Maybe someone should start an MC with a cool name and cool patch, and for once not sell P and shit, and then fuck I'd join...

Is the Ulysses patch not cool?

[Riding LockedDown]

Havent seen it...

But what I mean is, like think of motorbike patch, what you think of? Hells Angels etc... but why not have a decent good bloke crew or racing crew or something pop up.. like for example, what motorbike patches do you know, oh um Hells Angels, oh and those good cunts Ulysses. You know what I mean, there no decent MC big enough or well established or doing anything big enough to dampen the spotlight that the gangs have on themselves... Thats why we identify patched riders as fucking homos, cause theres no big decent MC's...

feel free to battle, as I know theres heaps of things you can say against what I've said, but Im just trying to explain whats in my head, not doing it very clearly though....

Maybe an MC could be established, with its own patch, operations and etc... and be full of decent blokes.

[short-circuit]

Maybe someone should start an MC with a cool name and cool patch, and for once not sell P and shit, and then fuck I'd join...

Wow wouldn't that be just ace?!?!

Maybe you could make your own patch and solicit membership from the interweb

:niceone:

[fire eyes]

Havent seen it...

But what I mean is, like think of motorbike patch, what you think of? Hells Angels etc... but why not have a decent good bloke crew or racing crew or something pop up.. like for example, what motorbike patches do you know, oh um Hells Angels, oh and those good cunts Ulysses. You know what I mean, there no decent MC big enough or well established or doing anything big enough to dampen the spotlight that the gangs have on themselves... Thats why we identify patched riders as fucking homos, cause theres no big decent MC's...

feel free to battle, as I know theres heaps of things you can say against what I've said, but Im just trying to explain whats in my head, not doing it very clearly though....

Maybe an MC could be established, with its own patch, operations and etc... and be full of decent blokes.

www.buaca.org
they do exist .. somewhere .. out there .. over the rainbow .. way up .. high ..

[Mikkel]

Maybe someone should start an MC with a cool name and cool patch, and for once not sell P and shit, and then fuck I'd join...

This (http://www.schwimmerlegal.com/smiley.jpg) would be sort of a cool patch. Been thinking about getting one... Probably wouldn't bother with the whole organisation of a club thing though.

[Big Dave]

I assume it's the same here but in Aus - You put any patch on your back be prepared for the heat. From both sides of the law.

The Rebels even make the Ulysses take theirs off in some parts.
Plod will want a regular chat till he knows what is going on too.

[Ixion]

Is the Ulysses patch not cool?

Wewll, perhaps. But you overlook the other requirements of the post to which you responded - viz "dont sell drugs and murder and rape people." That would surely rule out Ulysses , we all know what a disgraceful lot they are .

[zzzbang]

I'll admit that vigilates we aren't and probably shouldn't be but there occasionally comes a time where the odd spot of vigilante behaviour is called for and justified. C'mon; if you were down town and saw some guy/gal being set upon by a group of thugs would you and your mates not step in? Waiting for the 'correct authorities' could prove fatal.

lol... fantasize about being a hero much? :slap: dont forget your cape next time you go riding.

[fergie]

Im in gang, KIWI RIDER yee yaa

[gatch]

Unfortunately there is a huge stigma attached to MC's, mostly it is justified as there is ALOT of shady dealing going down - large scale theft, drug manufacture and supply, unsolicited group sex, un-provoked violence and stand-over tactics, etc, etc..

That is not to say that all bikers are bad cunts as there is some official bike clubs out there that aren't involved in all the illegal stuff, but as far as stereotyping goes, it is MOSTLY safe to say that bike gangs masquerade as clubs.. Poke at them with sticks at your own peril.

[Madness]

unsolicited group sex, un-provoked violence and stand-over tactics, etc, etc..

This thread is about Motorcycle Clubs, not the N.Z Police. :innocent:

[short-circuit]

This thread is about Motorcycle Clubs, not the N.Z Police. :innocent:

he he he - bling that man

[Skyryder]

I belong to the biggest motorcycle club in the world. The Lone Riders Club. No rules, no badge, no meetings. Bet there is a few on here that belong too.


Skyryder

[Virago]

After close to two years on here there is one thing that makes me wonder. Why is it that MC's (not gangs) are looked down on by the KB population?

Lately there was the newbie who asked re what MC to join and the replies he got...

When a newbie posts nothing over several months except questions about a particular gang or MC, it becomes very obvious that they are simply wannabe glory-seekers, trolling or "fishing" for opinions about the MC they are already involved with. There's been more than one of those lately, they usually disappear when they don't get the awe-struck feedback they crave. But not before getting their legs pulled...

[chap]

its easy to put shit on clubs when ya safely sittin at the keyboard. and the ones doin it wont know or even meet n e one from a club to change their one sided view that they got from bad press etc.

[McJim]

its easy to put shit on clubs when ya safely sittin at the keyboard. and the ones doin it wont know or even meet n e one from a club to change their one sided view that they got from bad press etc.

It's easy for five guys with bike chains to kick the shit out of one innocent dude too innit? What are we supposed to do? Say how wonderful it is that blokes go around the country mob handed on motorbikes bullying people?

I'm sorry but I'm not buying.

[Tank]

Maybe someone should start an MC with a cool name and cool patch, and for once not sell P and shit, and then fuck I'd join...

There are - they just arn't open to Hyosung riders.

Nothing starting your own one tho'

[chap]

there are different people from all walks of life that do shit others dont like. lets put collective shit on the cozzers cause some defraud some rape and some got the boot 4 smokin pot. or should we believe everything we read.

[gatch]

its easy to put shit on clubs when ya safely sittin at the keyboard. and the ones doin it wont know or even meet n e one from a club to change their one sided view that they got from bad press etc.

My old boy used to be in a "motorcycle club", as did alot of his mates who were frequent at our house, bad press or not, they were bad cunts. Assault, burglary, cultivation/manufacture, possession and intent to supply, other colorful titles were handed out..

It is easy to heap shit on them because mostly they still are bad cunts..

[chap]

ya do wot ya gotta do. sex drugs rock n roll motorbikes and alcohol. lol.

[STOLLI R1]

MCs... There are loads of MCs which are not all about custom bikes,patches n lookin mean. What about the Victoria MC and the Manawatu - Orion MC and the Gold Coast MC and Kapi - Mana MC. To be affiliated to MNZ you need to be a member of an MC which has affiliation. Do you suppose the patched Clubs (Ulysses excluded) have that affiliation - no. Kiwibiker is purely a means to connect riders of similar interests so the spirit of motorcycling continues to grow in NZ. If it appears that KB registered users are unimpressed by the actions and life style of riders who are more involved with clubs that act more like gangs, then surely this is a fair reflection on the general population opinion?
Not everyone who wears a patch is nasty. Not everyone who wears a high vis vest is nice.
Use common sense and judge people as you find them, be the good bastard you are and be contempt with that.

[Timber020]

its easy to put shit on clubs when ya safely sittin at the keyboard. and the ones doin it wont know or even meet n e one from a club to change their one sided view that they got from bad press etc.

Many "Clubs" pull and spread enough shit for everyone. Not all clubs are bad but some clubs which are nothing but organised crime with a PR spin. "We deal in P, rape and murder and intimidation and are parasites to modern society but organise the occational bike rally so we really are great guys"

I know "club" members and I know "club" members.

[peasea]

lol... fantasize about being a hero much? :slap: dont forget your cape next time you go riding.

Ahh, the 'caped crusaders'. Now there's an idea for the next M/C. Roaming the country doing good left, right and centre.:woohoo:

[Mikkel]

ya do wot ya gotta do. sex drugs rock n roll motorbikes and alcohol. lol.

I think you forgot poor literary skills and shortened life expectancies in that list.

[chap]

poor literacy skills aye. ya dont know me so G F Y S.

[chap]

well that was interesting feedback. now i know why i dont post unless im bored:bash:

[Tony W]

poor literacy skills aye. ya dont know me so G F Y S.

Criminals are over sensitive and get very defensive and prone to violence, and make threats, when not agreed with, or challenged in any way.

Would you agree ?

[carver]

I don't think we are talking about Auckland Motorcycle Club, Southland Motorcycle Club, Harley Owners Group, Ducati Owners Club or anything like that. I believe the motorcycle clubs being discussed here are The Mongrel Mob, Road Knights, Nomads, Headhunters, Red Devils, Hells Angels and Mormon Few :Pokey:motorcycle clubs.

Subtly different I'm sure you'll agree.

whats wrong with the mormon few!

were just notorious!

[Motu]

were just notorious!

Disbanded? All in jail? No licenses?

S'orry to hear you are no longer.It was good while it la'sted eh?

[short-circuit]

whats wrong with the mormon few!

were just notorious!


The Moron Two is the only gang where the president puts his own arse on the block and hopes for some action

[carver]

Disbanded? All in jail? No licenses?

S'orry to hear you are no longer.It was good while it la'sted eh?

were still going strong, you'll enjoy some of season two!


The Moron Two is the only gang where the president puts his own arse on the block and hopes for some action

were two and a half really!

no hierarchy in the few, god made us all equal.

[short-circuit]

were two and a half really!

no hierarchy in the few, god made us all equal.

Yes the president practices what he preaches as demonstrated by "receiving" his 1 and a half minions on the block.

[carver]

Yes the president practices what he preaches as demonstrated by "receiving" his 1 and a half minions on the block.

we have had a girl on the block before....

were latter day saints

[short-circuit]

we have had a girl on the block before....

I think (technically) Sidewinder's a male

[carver]

I think (technically) Sidewinder's a male

he was there, if you ever meet him ask him about it

[Motu]

were still going strong,

S'o why all the past tense? Did it all turn out rather fruitles's in the end?

[carver]

S'o why all the past tense? Did it all turn out rather fruitles's in the end?

haha, because i can only speak of the past and present, not the future, which is as uncertain as the winds of change

[rosie631]

we have had a girl on the block before....



In your dreams...

[Whynot]

Because they look like criminals.

Bingo

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[short-circuit]

In your dreams...

Nah - it's all just cock and balls in there

[carver]

In your dreams...

once upon a time
then it came true...
that was a few years ago

[short-circuit]

once upon a time
then it came true...
that was a few years ago

Been cock hungry ever since.

Fuck, motorcycle clubs ain't what they used to be

[RocKai]

We, are the most dangerous forum in the world encourage people to do the most dangerous thing in the world: Riding motorcycle. We all live our life dangerously and I think we should just all ride a racing lawn-mower. So it's normal to have negative thoughts, because notice how many times I mentioned dangerous? :scooter:

[NordieBoy]

I think the problem is, is that there is no decent MC clubs... Like ones with a cool patch and dont sell drugs and murder and rape people.... Just dont seem to mix, with patch comes drugs and gangsters...

Off the top of my head in this area alone...
Nelson Motorcycle Club
Nelson Classic MX Club
Nelson Vintage Motorcycle Club


Remember on this very forum a few years ago the fun we had with that aussie bloke who wanted to start an NZ chapter of a "do gooder" MC?
No bikes < 750cc (cause they wouldn't be able to keep up on rides), Sgt's at arms, and everything.

[carver]

Been cock hungry ever since.

Fuck, motorcycle clubs ain't what they used to be

no, too bad were not looking for any new people

[rosie631]

once upon a time
then it came true...
that was a few years ago

:tugger::tugger::nya:

[carver]

:tugger::tugger::nya:

you should come to one of our "meetings"

[nallac]

whats wrong with the mormon few!
The girl guides hate competition

[rosie631]

you should come to one of our "meetings"

Lol. I say again - in your dreams

[carver]

whats wrong with the mormon few!
The girl guides hate competition

they quite like us usually


Lol. I say again - in your dreams

you may not have a choice.

[_Shrek_]

notice how many times I mentioned dangerous?

so whats he been up to now :whistle:

[nallac]

they quite like us usually

Why?..a fight they can win....:girlfight:

[carver]

they quite like us usually

Why?..a fight they can win....:girlfight:

you can only win by binning!

girls bin alot

[rosie631]

you may not have a choice.

:eek5::sick::rofl::rofl:

[RocKai]

Lol. I say again - in your dreams
Knock knock.
Mr Carver: Who's there?
... : It's me, Genie.
Mr Carver: Genie who?
Genie : Genie of the Lamp.
*Opened the door*
Mr Carver: Oh hi Genie, what're you doing here?
Genie: *Doof* *Smack carver in the head with his lamp.
...
Carver wakes up in his chair in front of the computer with his hand still on his :tugger:

She said dream on.
You score *3 lines there Carver. Now go become a movie star.

[Laxi]

you should come to one of our "meetings"

you do realise she's not transexual dont you carver?:sick:

[FJRider]

no, too bad were not looking for any new people

Was the "club" membership numbers capped before the combined total IQ reached double figures... ???

[FJRider]

you should come to one of our "meetings"

Perhaps she's not into GAY bars...

[Laxi]

Perhaps she's not into GAY bars...

pssst carver, i think they're onto your "lifestyle":rofl:

[MarkH]

we have had a girl on the block before....

Experimenting? Trying to deny who you are?

Tell me, is it true that the most common question for a new initiate to the Moron Few is: "If I don't participate in the butt seks and just watch and jerk off, then I'm not really gay - right? . . . right?"

[rosie631]

you should come to one of our "meetings"

Oh, Carver. You are everything i aspire to. i would love to come to one of your 'meetings'. Unfortunately, I'm not a male and I'm not gay. Does that matter? :rofl: :rofl: :moon:

[RiderInBlack]

Can't be fart arsed wading through all the post here, so here my two pence anyway:
I have ridden with Motor Cycle (MC) Clubs before and still do when the mood fits. I don't on the other hand ride with Motor Cycle Gangs and don't condone they activities. I'm been a member of the BOP CC MC and am a member of the Ulysses MC. Some could even define KB as being a MC of sorts. I have ridden with ex-Motor Cycle Gangs members, some of them are top Blokes now, having left the gang way of life well behind them.
So as far as I am concerned, in no way is NZ does MC Clubs = MC Gangs. If a MC has a symbol they wear that connects them to belong to that Club, that does not make that emblem a "Gang Patch" or the wearer a "Gang Member". KB has one (as does the Ulysses), does that make those wearing it "Gang Members"?
If those on here that have a problem with MC's because they can't work out the difference between MC's and Gangs, I feel really sorry for them.

[sunhuntin]

You don't. The clever drug lords create or adopt the "MC" and their image to do their work/intimidation for them. More often than not they also let their underlings take their beatings or do their jail time.

I think it actually stands for 'Mug Club'

correct. while i was in canada, i lived with a member of a local MC, which was simply called "the brotherhood" they numbered around 70 members and had been around since the 70s, with the founding members still active. during the time i was there, the young gun members were trying to encourage the idea of 'patching over' to the hells angels, which was the biggest club in the province. the angels were also trying to force a patch over. they used a club called redline for their wheeling and dealing, and were trying to do the same with the brotherhood. my then partner removed his colors and walked out of at least one meeting before the young guns backed down and so did the angels. i know for a while it ran very close to happening, but, had it gone through, a large number of brotherhood seniors would have walked out.

but, in saying that, my time amongst members of those 3 clubs and a few others was some of the best. they threw awesome parties, bought and sold drugs amongst themselves, and yet never even offered me a sniff or forced it on me. but, had i wanted to sample, it would have been there for the taking. i also knew that if i got rip roaring drunk and collapsed, id be shoved in a tent somewhere and left to sleep it off. i wouldnt trust any local guys to do that. the end result is i dont class local hells as a gang. sure, i dont trust them, but i dont fear them either.

[Elysium]

Oh, Carver. You are everything i aspire to. i would love to come to one of your 'meetings'. Unfortunately, I'm not a male and I'm not gay. Does that matter? :rofl: :rofl: :moon:

Plus you're required to supply your own gear.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=96653

[carver]

Knock knock.
Mr Carver: Who's there?
... : It's me, Genie.
Mr Carver: Genie who?
Genie : Genie of the Lamp.
*Opened the door*
Mr Carver: Oh hi Genie, what're you doing here?
Genie: *Doof* *Smack carver in the head with his lamp.
...
Carver wakes up in his chair in front of the computer with his hand still on his :tugger:

She said dream on.
You score *3 lines there Carver. Now go become a movie star.

ok, il do my best!


you do realise she's not transexual dont you carver?:sick:

were not bothered, backdoor bandits strike again


Was the "club" membership numbers capped before the combined total IQ reached double figures... ???

before it got over triple figures.
god gave us our IQ


Perhaps she's not into GAY bars...

nothing wrong with gay bars, not many desperate hetro guys in there!


pssst carver, i think they're onto your "lifestyle":rofl:

you should give the lifestyle a go, il show ya how its done


Experimenting? Trying to deny who you are?

Tell me, is it true that the most common question for a new initiate to the Moron Few is: "If I don't participate in the butt seks and just watch and jerk off, then I'm not really gay - right? . . . right?"

im not gay but the guy i fucked was!
crazy steve resisted initiation, and didnt get in


Oh, Carver. You are everything i aspire to. i would love to come to one of your 'meetings'. Unfortunately, I'm not a male and I'm not gay. Does that matter? :rofl: :rofl: :moon:

nope, we can "make do"

[The Lone Rider]

I do know of MC's in NZ that are a bunch of guys/gals that enjoy the riding and all that comes as part of it. If anyone is on here who is part of such club, please feel free to advertise on this thread!

I'd be one.

We all have our moments of making mistakes, even in MCs. But not once have I not been grateful that those in my MC who have made a genuine commitment are people who have continually helped me fix my bike, rescued me when I've broken down, bought me drinks, checked up on me when they knew about some family crises... etc... and I'd try to do the same for them with what I'm able to (usually sorting computer stuff for them or finding out event info). And on top of that there are people who don't want to be "members" as such but come out riding and just as much a part of the networking and fun.

Some are not always committed though. That's were I personally make a separation between a MC and an SC. A lot of the social clubs are really just call outs, everyone show up and have fun, then leaves. There is no networking where everyone could call on other members to help them out whenever wherever.

That's not to insult people who just ride with a few friends and are tight, and help each other out all the time. There's heaps out there of 2, 3, 4, 8 or more people who are strictly friends with no designation other than "This is my mate Bill..." but might as well be of the same flesh and blood.

Canterbury's PMC, PDFMC have great people and always a pleasure to run into them - some I know personally and others I talk to because I recognize their patch. Likewise, I've had people come and chat and buy me drinks as they recognize my patch.

One thing about a lot of MC though is that you don't know what they are like until you hang out with them. Talk with them. Buy them (cough cough.. me.. cough cough) a drink.

Likewise, can't assume seeing someone wearing a KB shirt is someone that isn't going to be a complete prick to you.



Make a MC which is all about the individual.

Sacred Bones MC. Look them up.



RE: Tribesmen and MM

While this is all second hand information...

An American temp at my job, who was very involved partying with all sorts of MC in the states, and some in NZ now that he's here.. swears by the Tribesmen being great people who would not do anything to anyone unless provoked and that they just want to have fun amongst themselves. He also said he had partied with a very southern known MC.. and was not impressed with what I suppose you could call their "raping" policy.

On top of that - and will be writing this very vaguely - a guy I have known for 3 years have had dealings of MM. He says where he comes from, a man approached MM (I suppose an associate?) chapter president and asked if he could start MM SC (motorcycle social club). The pres said it was ok but they a are not allowed to wear back patches, and patched MM members are to be allowed to be SC members.. and something about the president also saying he was to be on the committee for the SC.

Just stories I've been told. I have no reason to think the stories are lies or very embellished. I've know both those guys fairly well. I'm also not denying the fact both stories may be complete bull.

[Paul in NZ]

Its a sad fact that most MC's won't tolerate my lifestyle.... Elitists....

[bikejam2]

I think the attitudes can be blamed on the media, I mean when was the last time you heard of a club doing some type of good in the news, (apart from the boobs on bikes parade..lol) also most people feel intimidated to get to know these guys so all they have to go on is what's being reported by the media, and wot they see in movies... There could be and probably are more reasons but I say it comes down to media and ignorance.

[Timber020]

poor literacy skills aye. ya dont know me so G F Y S.

Just keep to the shallow end and dont get to excited, get some of your mates to hold your hand if you feel like to many people here dont agree with you. You will be fine, have a nice day.

[98tls]

I think the attitudes can be blamed on the media, I mean when was the last time you heard of a club doing some type of good in the news, (apart from the boobs on bikes parade..lol) also most people feel intimidated to get to know these guys so all they have to go on is what's being reported by the media, and wot they see in movies... There could be and probably are more reasons but I say it comes down to media and ignorance. Fuck the media and as for ignorance,possibly but i just see no reason to get to know someone whos stupid enough to wear a jacket with Red Devil on the back of it..seriously,Red Devil:clap:Henchmen/Lost Breed etc i can live with but Red Devil:killingme:killingme

[rosie631]

Fuck the media and as for ignorance,possibly but i just see no reason to get to know someone whos stupid enough to wear a jacket with Red Devil on the back of it..seriously,Red Devil:clap:Henchmen/Lost Breed etc i can live with but Red Devil:killingme:killingme

Totally agree. Red Devils - they sound like cartoon characters. Come on guys, surely one of you had a big enough IQ to come up with something better.

[short-circuit]

Come on guys, surely one of you had a big enough IQ to come up with something better.

I doubt it if they wanna play dress up with patches and be "bikies"

[RiderInBlack]

I think the attitudes can be blamed on the media, I mean when was the last time you heard of a club doing some type of good in the news, (apart from the boobs on bikes parade..lol) also most people feel intimidated to get to know these guys so all they have to go on is what's being reported by the media, and wot they see in movies... There could be and probably are more reasons but I say it comes down to media and ignorance.Yet again people just don't get the difference between "Gangs" & "Clubs". Why is that? We don't think of Non-bike Clubs as being "Gangs". So why can't some of us not get that right here on KB? Motor Cycle Clubs do not equal Motor Cycle Gangs.

[chap]

blows hard in wellington dont it. have a nice day

[Winston001]

Yet again people just don't get the difference between "Gangs" & "Clubs". Why is that? We don't think of Non-bike Clubs as being "Gangs". So why can't some of us not get that right here on KB? Motor Cycle Clubs do not equal Motor Cycle Gangs.

You are right of course but it dates from the early days of the Hells Angels in San Francisco. To distinguish themselves from other groups and hold the right to the name they incorporated as a Club. Makes perfect sense but unfortunately the words Motorcycle Club came to be synonymous with outlaw bikers.

We know the difference but sometimes the media and the public don't.

[FJRider]

before it got over triple figures.
god gave us our IQ





9.45 is not actually treble figures... :doh:

[NordieBoy]

9.45 is not actually treble figures... :doh:

Not even if you post it twice?


:shifty:

[FJRider]

Not even if you post it twice?


:shifty:

No ... that's just double figures ... :innocent: