Parts falling off bikes & noise

[F5 Dave]

Ok time for a bleat after this weekend, whilst trying not to sound like a curmudgeon. This is largely aimed at welly crowd, although the majority of the bikes here are actually quite good.


Yes Bucket racing is supposed to be fun.
Yes it is supposed to be relatively cheap.
Yes you are supposed to try your hand at building it yourself.


But is it unrealistic to expect that people do more than a cursory job of engineering their bikes?

The sport can be dangerous - that we accept (I’m recuperating 10 weeks now from a low speed crash unable to ride).

Racing incidents happen.
But how angry would I or anyone else be if they had an accident caused by someone’s slack preparation?

This weekend & others in recent history we have witnessed Sliders that are supposed to protect the track break off & people crash on them. Tanks come off, mufflers, chains & all sorts of nuts & bolts & the sundry items they held on.

A tank should be held on with a bolt or a split pin & washer. A muffler should be tucked in & supported, esp if it is pretty heavy. Vibration will fracture metal, - exponentially if there is an unsupported length to it.

C’mon guys, turn up to any other venue & you won’t be allowed to race. I’m not making this up. In Chch & several other places they have got their bikes to a high level so it isn’t exactly difficult to make a bike safe from mechanical failure.

Ok noise; gee they sound great [revs engine with clueless grin on face]. But the neighbors don’t agree.

They were enjoying their bbq or quiet rest out in their back yard & fair-a-bleedin-‘nough. Since the 70s Bikes have been losing venues due to noise. We get away with a fair bit at the Slipway due to its location, but don’t be fooled into thinking that that won’t preclude it being shut down. Look at that speedway track in Auckland. Athletic park. Most tracks/venues have had issues with noise.

There is one rule for everyone. Don’t be putting our venue at risk because your muffler fell off & you still want to race. It was your dumbarse mistake. Try repacking your muffler with real muffler packing a couple of times a year (helps performance too). A large can with a pipe with some holes in it & maybe some steel wool hardly counts as a muffler. Yes my 50 isn’t super quiet but it has passed noise tests at several venues. I/we can give pointers on muffler construction.

One of my least favorite parts as a brief stint as an MNZ steward some years back was arguing with an argumentative rider at back cct of Manfield when his muffler fell off. He had all sorts of arguments as to why he should be able to ride despite the damn thing was super noisy. Short sighted & inconsiderate to the extreme as he should have known Manfield have problems with noise complaints. We were putting the other meeting at risk going on the big track as well.

This is supposed to be fun. Don't make it so the organisers feel like it isn't worth putting up with the grief.

A small amount of your effort reduces risk to yourself & more importantly other people + makes it likely we will get the venues again.

Is that too much to ask?

[Number One]

Ok time for a bleat after this weekend
I would second (and remind all) that this is a very small number of the bikes that were present.

ALSO I am aware that organisers and race peers are trying to work with these people to remedy the issues.

Perhaps as you were there and walking around viewing all this....some of these comments could have been shared with the individuals you are referring to instead of being published for all in sundry to read thus casting Welly buckets as a whole in a poor light....your input is after all valued as a long term bucketeer and you well know that the majority of Welly racers take this stuff DAMN seriously!

[Skunk]

Is that too much to ask?
No it's not. And as I was doing the scrutineering I have a fair bit to answer for.

Kaitoke is close to houses (even though you can't see them) and is in a public park area. We must do better on the noise.

And any bikes the fall apart on the track... well, really... are you that keen to hurt yourself and others? :bash:

[F5 Dave]

Yes I did consider that it does make us look a little sloppy which is why in the 2nd sentence I said that most bikes are largely good.

But I felt it is better to open the discussion up so that newcomers do think about things and maybe catch problems before they have repercussions at the track. If these people have a :crybaby: & call me a jerk then so be it. Chris & others have tried to promote some stds, but no one wants to be the one saying "No you can't ride" & that puts out sport at risk.

The thing is people will help if individuals are having problems & ask.

[Number One]

Yes I did consider that it does make us look a little sloppy which is why in the 2nd sentence I said that most bikes are largely good.

Chris & others have tried to promote some stds, but no one wants to be the one saying "No you can't ride" & that puts out sport at risk.

The thing is people will help if individuals are having problems & ask.

On one level I agree with you as for calling you a jerk I don't buy into that either.

Being well known for my 'bitch who speaks her mind' tendancy AND given the fact I believe strongly in the safety of me and my friends I would be more than happy to take any flack related to telling someone that they can't race because their bike is not up to standard. Just point me at them and give me that hat to wear - I am so there. You know I love to HULK out!! :wari:

BTW - I also know those people have been spoken to and offered advice on what they need to do to fix the issues. I would see that as their 'warning' and if they can't get bike up to scratch at the next meeting then they need not bother coming along...simple! I'm guessing not everything is obvious until ridden or dropped...but then I might be wrong there.

THAT LAST COMMENT OF YOURS! ON THE BUTTON! AND those that are being told to sort their machines need to heed the advice and not take a she'll be right attitude.

[nudemetalz]

As said, your input is valued, Dave.

What I don't like from the people that have these bikes below par is being told largely to sod off when approached about these issues with their bikes.

As Skunk does the scrutineering and I am basically running the meeting these days, if the bikes don't meet the required standard, then we will not let them run.
We can easily lose running at Kaitoke (or even Slipway) due to excessive noise or track damage.
If that happens, then all of my hard work goes down the gurgler as well as some peeved off bucketers.
Start running if that happens :angry2:

[Kendog]

I agree with your concerns Dave.

I would like to say Wellington buckets have come a long way since last year as far as build quality and safety goes.
As a new bucketer last year almost anything was acceptable at the Slipway. This year with the addition of Kaitoke as a race venue the bike standards have lifted considerably.

That said, there is still room for improvement. I just hope everyone involved in the sport can appreciate the reasons for bike standards when they are told they must fix something before riding on the track.

On the topic of noise, do we have a measurable sound level that we need to abide by? How do we measure this on a race day?

[Skunk]

On the topic of noise, do we have a measurable sound level that we need to abide by? How do we measure this on a race day?
I have access to sound level meters - if we want to go down that path. I'd be happy with a consensus as to what is too loud rather than actual measurements.

[nudemetalz]

I have access to sound level meters - if we want to go down that path. I'd be happy with a consensus as to what is too loud rather than actual measurements.

I'd go with that too. And not just idle noise either.

Sheez, after listening to some of the bikes on the weekend, I think lady P is too quiet in the muffler.....

[riffer]

Can't remember the name of the bloke I spoke to with the NCR framed bike from Auckland but you couldn't even hear his bike idling.

And it had to be one of the nicest prepared buckets I've seen. I've seen worse prepared F2 bikes.

Not having been to the buckets in at least a year it was an eye-opener to me how much better it's gotten. You guys are doing a great job. That this thread exists is testament to that.

Keep up the good work and it'll pay off guys. :yes:

[Trudes]

Well I'm pretty sure both my buckets will be ok as far as noise goes, tried listening to Sketchy riding Rangi at one point and couldn't hear anything over the massive noise that was sitting behind him!!:eek5:

[saxet]

Well I know my bikes not too.. bad for noise but a better, quieter pipe is high on my list...the noise police are on the ball and will get us if we don't do it ourselves first!

[F5 Dave]

Ok well might as well start on muffler design here;

Bikes with big bore or high revving are usually harder to silence.

Four strokes are often the most noisy bikes out there, there are a few with very little silencing. I think these days a trade me 4 stroke MX muffler is probably a pretty easy option. Either way repacking it with store bought packing helps.

With a 2 stroke it can be hard to package the muffler in a safe place. On some bikes it is easy enough to place it under the swingarm. On some a stinger sweeping to a high mounting muffer is best (have a look at pics of old RS125s).

The perforated tube can be bought from a muffler place. The outer tube should be riveted on with more than 4 rivets so it doesn’t suffer from vibration internally. Ally is a good outer material, steel ‘rings’, carbon is ok.

Pack the muffler moderately tight with decent packing (Daytona brand or Silent Wool seems measurably better than pink batts stolen from the roof of the rental).

This blows out/gets crusty & should be replaced a couple of times a year depending on use. GP teams will repack mufflers every couple of meetings to meet restrictions & not to lose power. An empty muffler will cause more turbulence than a nicely packed one. Especially important if your muffler forms part of your stinger section on a 2 stroke.

A reversal section in the muffler usually at the end can cut a few dB from the sound. This can just be an add on end cap with a chamber & two pipes facing away from each other. Made with reasonable size there will be no loss in power from my dyno experiments.

Go see Cycleworks, they can make you a muffler or an end cap.

Attaching: try make a spigot & overpipe tight slip arrangement for the manifold & spring mount. Depending on size & weight you may need to attach twice; near the centre & the muffler with a strap. Ideally these are rubber mounted.

Attaching the muffler to a 2 stroke stinger; The tube gets very thin here & this is where it will break. The transition should be braced top & bottom with folded sheet metal to support, have a look at professionally made pipes on the interweb & you will get several ideas. Straight metal bracing will help but can move the fracture point to the end.

[richban]

I have access to sound level meters - if we want to go down that path. I'd be happy with a consensus as to what is too loud rather than actual measurements.

My bike is really loud. I am going to re-pack the muffler before next meeting. Before we get to carried away don't forget if you stand next to one of those karts in the pits when they do there reving thing it makes your ears bleed.


Do they have a decibel limit?

[Skunk]

Yep. That's the trouble with sound. Deep sounds don't sound loud but carry well. High pitches tend to be annoying without much volume...

[nudemetalz]

MX mufflers are fairly easy to get off the net.
I bought my 2-stroke one for $100 (didn't work for my 4-stroke :Oops: ) and my KXF250 4-stroke one I got for $120. This one works really well and as a bonus came with the "quiet outlet" option. The beauty of these too as they're easily repackable.

[ajturbo]

this is ONE of the reasons i was not out there..
my bike is NOT up to spec YET.

even in the "good" old days, bolts would fall off

but a fuel tank????

sure my fuel CAP fell off, but that is an easy fix... put it on properly... lol

but like Dave said.. MOST were very good... just the usall 1% that slipped through..

but you have to start somewhere!.... this was a very good day for me, made me see what was required first hand.. and the different ideas to get to that point !!!

[Pumba]

My $0.02 for what it worth guys MNZ has standards regarding noise testing and it sounds like skunk has access to some suitable equipment.

We were all tested at our last meeting up here at Mt Welly, there were no issues but you cant argue with facts if there are any issues or complaints.

[fi5hy]

I don't no who else went around the track on Sunday looking at all the marks that were left on the track form the bikes that fell down?I did most were just big long white marks form nylon (great thats what we need crash protection at work) but on the other hand there were big holes and gouges from people not taking the time to protect there bike properly (manly rear axle,foot peg,and exhaust marks) All it will take is one track inspection from the kart club and thats it we are out. I'm not saying you can't crash some times thats out of your hands I'm saying get out to the garage lay your bike down and have a good look at what will,might touch the ground then have a long think about how to make it safe and your nylon staying put just remember the forces that go on when your bike hits the ground and how your tie wire or cable ties are not going to cut the mustard. Do it once and do it right it makes life a lot easer in the long run.

[Kendog]

When we walked the track in the morning before racing I did see some marks on the track that were not the usual kart sprocket ones, possibly from bikes at previous days.

Perhaps the morning scrutineering needs to include lying bikes down on each side to check the nylon is actually in the right place.

[Skunk]

I think it's more a case of SECURING the nylon. Too much cable tying without thought to the forces involved. If the nylon moves when you whack it hard with a hammer in any direction it's not good enough.

There's a thought - I'll whack it with a hammer if it doesn't look secure to me. I'm not a good shot so it had better look good. :)

[fi5hy]

basically looking good is not going to cut it. Think about throwing a 100 kg weight from the back of a truck travailing at 100 kms hr will your nylon hold up?? ask yourself

[all4A50s]

n regards to F5 Daves comments I am doing my best with my bikes to keep up to speck and am constantly improving them to the recommended standards on Bucket Racing NZ. And do take on what people say and endeavour to have the improvements to the bikes before they go to the next meet I attend. I just had a look and there is nothing about exhausts and noise level in the Resources part.

As to the comments about the exhaust. The whole reason the exhaust came off was another bike basically rear ended her while rolling over the top of the back of the bike. The weld was fixed up the night before and safety wired in two places so if it did work loose it would stay attached to the bike at least till the end of the race.

Please accept things break and fall off where vehicles collide.

Just so you know the muffler has been screwed on to the output pipe of the expansion chamber (so even a hammer wouldn't remove it), will have its own bracket attaching it to the bike and of course a slider on the lower outer edge. I am also working on attaching more sliders.

And finally I did contact Cycleworks about getting an exhaust made, which they priced at $450-$550. Please remember some of use have to make do with what we can make ourselves and unfortunately have to consider a "pre-made exhaust/muffler end" a luxury item.

I do appreciate and love this sport and very much and want to continue.

Would it be possible to have included in the Bucket Racing NZ website suggestions/notes on where Sliders should be placed on a bike more than " Lie the bike on it's side and where touches the ground..." Wanisami is classic example of this, where she was lain on her side and sliders were attached where metal touched the ground. Plus basic rules to what an exhaust must have.

As to people enjoying their barbeques, etc and dealing with noise levels. My view is they choose to live near a track so they should expect to hear engines once and a while. I find the supporters noise levels from Newtown Athletic Park to be obtrusive, however I choose to live where I do and have to accept that there wil be a certain level of noise infringement of my personal paradise and place of Zen.

[Number One]

As to people enjoying their barbeques, etc and dealing with noise levels. My view is they choose to live near a track so they should expect to hear engines once and a while. I find the supporters noise levels from Newtown Athletic Park to be obtrusive, however I choose to live where I do and have to accept that there wil be a certain level of noise infringement of my personal paradise and place of Zen.

Sorry but THAT right there is a crap argument. You may accept this but others don't and btw that track we were at on Sunday is within a 'nature reserve' so all you have to have are a couple of moustached hippies crying about the birds being upset and not mating due to the sounds produced and that could be it the boffins in white coats would be down to the track with their equipment so quick our heads would spin. Serious

[Kendog]

Yep. That's the trouble with sound. Deep sounds don't sound loud but carry well. High pitches tend to be annoying without much volume...

So how would my bucket rate with its current deep sound?

[Number One]

So how would my bucket rate with its current deep sound?
Very Barry White :blip:

[Kendog]

Very Barry White :blip:

ohhhhhh yeahhhhhh

[nudemetalz]

As to the comments about the exhaust. The whole reason the exhaust came off was another bike basically rear ended her while rolling over the top of the back of the bike. The weld was fixed up the night before and safety wired in two places so if it did work loose it would stay attached to the bike at least till the end of the race.

Please accept things break and fall off where vehicles collide.

Just so you know the muffler has been screwed on to the output pipe of the expansion chamber (so even a hammer wouldn't remove it), will have its own bracket attaching it to the bike and of course a slider on the lower outer edge. I am also working on attaching more sliders.

I do appreciate and love this sport and very much and want to continue.


Look,...on Sunday I mentioned the fact that your bike was TOTALLY unsilenced while you were on the dummy grid. It was almost deafeningly loud and you come back at me with other bikes being noisy. This was totally unacceptable as I was the Steward of the day and my decision should have been final. The fact that I still let you out was not a wise choice of mine.

I put a lot on the line for the weekend, and if we had any complaints, even one, then the Karters could tell us to piss off.

[Skunk]

I've added bits to the Bucket Racing website. It was intended as a guide (not full-on instructions) and the MNZ rules regarding noise/safety/rider conduct etc are all linked from there as well as the official bucket rules. Some rules we are running to are 'local track' rules.

[Slingshot]

Set the standard, make it known and then enforce it.

And we should stop using the Kart Guys as an excuse to get the bikes up to standard. The standards should be in place because that's the minimum required to be safe.

I rode Frankie for almost 2 seasons, and after most races I'd walk the track picking up nuts and bolts and other random stuff that had fallen off.
If Bayden (or anyone else) had said "thanks for coming, but you ain't riding today because of..." I would have learned my lesson.

We're now bloody lucky to have two tracks in the Wellington area...lets not wreck it by having loud bikes that upset the locals.

And since Sunday, Ella hasn't stopped talking about the "Motorcycle Racing" and how they were "Too Fast Daddy"! If I can't have a boy, I'll at least have a girl that likes bikes:)

[Skunk]

If I can't have a boy,
Keep trying...

[Trudes]

Yep. That's the trouble with sound. Deep sounds don't sound loud but carry well. High pitches tend to be annoying without much volume...

I always thought I was a bit smelly (like you) and that's why people didn't like standing too close to me, now I know the real reason!!!!:crybaby:

[all4A50s]

Look,...on Sunday I mentioned the fact that your bike was TOTALLY unsilenced while you were on the dummy grid. It was almost deafeningly loud and you come back at me with other bikes being noisy. This was totally unacceptable as I was the Steward of the day and my decision should have been final. The fact that I still let you out was not a wise choice of mine.

I put a lot on the line for the weekend, and if we had any complaints, even one, then the Karters could tell us to piss off.

I did appreciate being allowed out for the race and thank you from the deepest reaches of my heart for letting me do so.

In my defence I did not know/had used the guide on Buckets NZ to set up the bike and had i known would have re-attached it to the prior to lining. Nobody came at the end of the previous race or prior to me lining up I on the dummy grid it needed to be rectified. The exhaust had been ripped off, breaking the safety wire and was re-attached after the one race so it wouldn't come off (even if hit by a hammer). All I am trying to do is have my bikes up to spec, while developing them myself.

[Number One]

And since Sunday, Ella hasn't stopped talking about the "Motorcycle Racing" and how they were "Too Fast Daddy"! If I can't have a boy, I'll at least have a girl that likes bikes:)

Too cute :niceone: SullyOne tells us to go faster in the car now...but he doesn't feel quite so secure in the dirty ole white van :lol:

[Brian d marge]

I have always had a soft spot for buckets , I honestly thing is could do so much more , as in a training ground for bike engineers , Riders etc , ( sort of like a better version of the red bull rookies cup, really could be !! a miniature WSBK)

we have something similar here ( Japan ) but not as free with the rules, there are some very well prepared Honda cubs

( imagine a Honda cub with big bore,4 valve heads, open clutches cable operated ,, with full MOTEC dashboards , data loggers etc and I assume a worked engine , cant remember if air or water cooled ,,,I have photos somewhere , a very well turned out bike ...Someone was taking life waay to seriously ! )


I wouldnt like to see tracks and races ..disappear due to a lapses in common sense

Stephen

[koba]

Look,...on Sunday I mentioned the fact that your bike was TOTALLY unsilenced while you were on the dummy grid. It was almost deafeningly loud and you come back at me with other bikes being noisy. This was totally unacceptable as I was the Steward of the day and my decision should have been final. The fact that I still let you out was not a wise choice of mine.

I put a lot on the line for the weekend, and if we had any complaints, even one, then the Karters could tell us to piss off.

You know where you guys were standing. I was just in front of in the pit spot I had claimed for the day screaming "ITS TOO LOUD" at the top of my lungs. both of you couldn't hear me...

[koba]

I did appreciate being allowed out for the race and thank you from the deepest reaches of my heart for letting me do so.

In my defence I did not know/had used the guide on Buckets NZ to set up the bike and had i known would have re-attached it to the prior to lining. Nobody came at the end of the previous race or prior to me lining up I on the dummy grid it needed to be rectified. The exhaust had been ripped off, breaking the safety wire and was re-attached after the one race so it wouldn't come off (even if hit by a hammer). All I am trying to do is have my bikes up to spec, while developing them myself.

Im not trying to be a prick, we all want to see more buckets out there so please take this as advice to help you get a better setup.

Crash or no crash that thing was going to fall off.
The way it was hanging out of the bike wasn't good, it needs more bracing.
Follow my advice on welding.
Adding to that advice (didn't think of it on sunday) Welding this stuff like that is fucken hard. practice. tack it together first with small tacks, making sure you hold the torch on long enough for it to penetrate well but not enough to blow though, this is hard and takes practice.

Everything should be clean and freshly wire brushed.

The pieces should have a small gap to allow the gas though but making it more that a mm or so is just making life hard for yourself, it is easier to make the seel a better fit than trying to bridge the gap and it will be stronger when done.

Once it is tacked together go over it putting small tacks between the tacks.
Do this again and again untill the whole thing is filled up.

This way you avoid putting too much heat in a single area at once and you get a good join with minimal risk of warping or blowing though.

If it does blow though let it cool a bit before you go at it again, and when you do aim for the thickest part there so it is better able to handle the heat,, it should take a few very slow considered squirts to fill a hole.



It can be hard when you learn as you go but sometimes you have to objectivley look at what you have built and say to yourself "Does that cut the mustard?"

My MB100 isn't out there at the moment because I don't think it is up to scratch, even after I have spent a fair ammount of time nyloning it and putting a working muffler on it.

[Number One]

You know where you guys were standing. I was just in front of in the pit spot I had claimed for the day screaming "ITS TOO LOUD" at the top of my lungs. both of you couldn't hear me...
I concur Mr Koba sir. I couldn't hear other bikes going past in the pits when he was up on the top straight! It drowned out EVERYTHING else...

[Buckets4Me]

I concur Mr Koba sir. I couldn't hear other bikes going past in the pits when he was up on the top straight! It drowned out EVERYTHING else...

thats a black flag and a warning up our way and if it goes out on the track again like that it's off home with ya :pinch:

now who is going to help all4A50s get it all welded and braced up ????
come on some one close must be able to help ???
no winging if he cant get it to stay together if no one helped out ???

:scooter: this is buckets after all not like the other formulars where they all sit around complaining about things and not doing anything to help
:scooter:

F5Dave has done his part by bringing it to everyones attention now get out there and fix those buckets (I did mine )

[Str8 Jacket]

A person has to want to take advice before they can be helped...

[Buckets4Me]

A person has to want to take advice before they can be helped...

Aha I hear ya there

BUT how is you'r bike ????

:niceone:

[Str8 Jacket]

Aha I hear ya there

BUT how is you'r bike ????

:niceone:

Pretty good, after ripping the footpeg and rear brake off on a tyre at the slipway on sat that has been repaired all flash like and it feels much better now that the puncture has been fixed! :rolleyes:

[richban]

Set the standard, make it known and then enforce it.

And we should stop using the Kart Guys as an excuse to get the bikes up to standard. The standards should be in place because that's the minimum required to be safe.


Totally agree here. Make the standard make it known and enforce it.

And stop Whining over something in the past. Lets move forward and lift our game. WTF.

[quallman1234]

I think a quiet word/pm from the Organiser, would be very efficient way of dealing with this.
As they have the authority to let someone go out or not.

Some people in this thread have gone a little too far. Stop the naming and shaming. This just makes people angry and doesn't rectify anything.
Thanks dave for the healthy input =).


Keep it mature people!

[Str8 Jacket]

Keep it mature people!

Says the guy who red repped me and for what!?!?!
I have trouble taking peoples advice often was not meaning anyone in particular. This thread NEEDED to be put up, people were spoken too and they ignored the advice or told people to F-off hence the need for this thread!! :rolleyes:

[Trudes]

OK, so things have been said, hopefully those whom it applies to know who they are and are fixing the issues and know to ask for help if they need it.
Nobody panic....
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[quallman1234]

Says the guy who red repped me and for what!?!?!
I have trouble taking peoples advice often was not meaning anyone in particular. This thread NEEDED to be put up, people were spoken too and they ignored the advice or told people to F-off hence the need for this thread!! :rolleyes:

Did Chris actually go up to the person, and tell them the bike was up to standard. Did they actually tell him to F-off/ignored him. I strongly doubt it.
If people ignored your advice, and you thought its was a true danger, you should tell Chris/Skunk as they can actually do something about it.
The final decision is on them.

Im with Trudes =).

[nudemetalz]

Ummm,...Kyle,..over the weekend I did tell the people concerned that their was not up to standard while checking crash damage etc. Most of the time I got a "yes, I'll do something about it", sometimes not.
I'm not going to harp on about it but more move on at the next meeting and get some standards established.

Look, we don't want people to get pissed off & disinterested in buckets.
It's only going to kill the sport down here.
Let's help.
I'm happy to give whatever I can to people who need help setting up etc their bucket. !!


Cheers
nudey.

[Str8 Jacket]

Did Chris actually go up to the person, and tell them the bike was up to standard. Did they actually tell him to F-off/ignored him. I strongly doubt it.


YES, me and Malcolm and Dave, among others stood there and watched while one of the people threw a tanty when Chris told them they could'nt go out.

We HAVE to look after the organisers and oney the rules. Otherwise organise yoru own event.

[quallman1234]

Ummm,...Kyle,..over the weekend I did tell the people concerned that their was not up to standard while checking crash damage etc. Most of the time I got a "yes, I'll do something about it", sometimes not.
I'm not going to harp on about it but more move on at the next meeting and get some standards established.

Look, we don't want people to get pissed off & disinterested in buckets.
It's only going to kill the sport down here.
Let's help.
I'm happy to give whatever I can to people who need help setting up etc their bucket. !!


Cheers
nudey.

Sorry lads wasn't aware of this.

I totally agree with everything you say here. Typical me rushing in with not all the information.

Standards set should be good.

I'm happy to help if anyone needs a hand fixing there bucket. (Limited knowledge, but can weld properly now)

Anyways good luck for the weekend Chris, will be at the trackday.

[nudemetalz]

Good stuff, thanks Kyle.

[Trudes]

:grouphug:

[lovesracingbikes]

Hmmmm you guys get a lot of leway with noise etc from what I have read on this thread.
John Connor, in Auckland, rules the track and if he says you cant go out, then you damn well cant. He relies on us to be sensible and ensure our bikes are safe.
He will black flag you and make you leave the venue if you dont listen.:mad:
Yes it's tough, but we want to keep racing there.
He gives us fair warning when they are doing noise testing. Everyone knows that if your bike doesnt meet standards on the day, then you dont ride that day or any other day until it's fixed.
He always gives a check of the bikes after an accident (even if the rider doesnt really know he's doing it) and gives a brief look over the bikes at the start of the days first races.

If anyone is thinking of riding Taupo this Xmas, then make sure your bikes meet all the standards, or you wont ride.

[Trudes]

That sounds fair to me.
Shit happens, things rattle themselves loose and fall off sometimes, but if every time you take your ride out on the track and shit falls off then maybe more care needs to be taken.
I think it's good practice for us to get our bikes up to standard and keep them in good condition, makes it easier when we travel away and don't have to piss about at the track lock wiring sump plugs and stuff that really should already have been done. Or worse yet get turned away and told you can't ride after spending $$ and traveling for many kms to get there.
Sounds like a lot for the organisers (Nudey and Bayden) to do, especially if they want to ride also. Maybe some of the responsibility could be shared around some of the others and as riders we could all pull our heads in and make it a bit easier for them by making sure our shit is sorted before the day.
I say once again.....
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