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The Pastor

10th March 2005, 06:18

On the radio this morning I heard that someone on a ducati was being chased through auckland. It ended when the cop car crashed into an old man.

Ive tried to find the story on the news sites, but havnt found it yet. Did anyone hear this? Post a link to the story if you found it :)

The Pastor

10th March 2005, 07:03

Just heard it again, It was in pt chev and it was the biker who crashed :confused:

Was it anyone here?

Joni

10th March 2005, 07:05

Yeah heard it too....
All I could figure out was the Duc and Pt. Chev.

Let us know if you find out...

:spudwhat:

TonyB

10th March 2005, 07:17

The version I heard is the he 'crashed into another patrol car that was sent to warn him of road works ahead'. Hmmm

vifferman

10th March 2005, 07:47

So who is it?:spudwhat:
A Ducati rider in his mid-40s had a wee run away from police late last night, which ended in Ponsonby when he crashed into a patrol car (not involved in the chase) which was travelling in the opposite direction. :nono:

bear

10th March 2005, 07:49

Naughty boy/girl!

PhilBilly

10th March 2005, 07:56

Is the bike alright? poor Ducati Not a good idea to do runner from the filth.

vifferman

10th March 2005, 08:05

That's all I know, from what I read in a small article in The Harold this morning.

denill

10th March 2005, 08:06

Looks like it is BAD NEWS day......

An XtraMSN article this morning:

Biker Injured After Police Chase
10/03/2005
NewstalkZB
A man is in Auckland City Hospital with serious injuries after the motorbike he was riding crashed into a police car while being chased by another police vehicle.

The chase had begun in Pt Chevalier after the Ducati was seen speeding.

Police say a patrol car gave chase until the bike crashed on Curran Street in Herne Bay, near the Auckland Harbour

Edit: Looks as though this should have been in the <a href=http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=9714>Naughty Ducati Rider</A> thread???

ManDownUnder

10th March 2005, 08:07

Hope the rider survived... and the bike's ok.

Dumb dumb dumb...

vifferman

10th March 2005, 08:15

Hope the rider survived... and the bike's ok.

Dumb dumb dumb...
Yeah, he survived, and got taken to hospital, apparently. But the really important bits - about what sort of Ducati it was, and how badly it was damaged, and whether he did any stunting, and whether the crash was spectacular, and whether the car he crashed into "just sort of accidentally on purpose got in his way" or he deliberately rammed it - all that stuff was missing. What's up with that? What's the point of reporting only the boring bits? :spudwhat:

FzerozeroT

10th March 2005, 08:36

Wheres Ritalin to give us HIS version of events, how he stole the ducati in welly and then disguised himself as a fourty year old man and police chase all the way to auck. I can't believe they closed that thread

k14

10th March 2005, 08:40

good job i say, idiots like that who danger the public should be stopped with any measures.

White trash

10th March 2005, 09:07

What a fucken amateur.

Grow some skills man!

Lou Girardin

10th March 2005, 11:30

Now call me cynical but, colliding with a POLICE car, travelling in the opposite direction and NOT involved in the chase.
In the words of a famous brewer, "yeah right".

jrandom

10th March 2005, 11:37

Now call me cynical

OK, you're cynical.

**R1**

10th March 2005, 11:49

What a fucken amateur.

Grow some skills man!
:2thumbsup well said:2thumbsup

madboy

10th March 2005, 11:49

There will be four sides to the story - 1 rider, 2 Police, 3 media, and last AND least 4 truth... I bet they vary significantly.

Proves my theory - results of pursuits are mostly luck. Just that some people are better at making luck than others :)

Riff Raff

10th March 2005, 11:55

Before people start bashing the cops - there was a very good reason why he was chased and he deserved what he got!

Sniper

10th March 2005, 12:44

Fucken Dumbass

Blakamin

10th March 2005, 12:53

Wasn't a stolen Duc was it???? :angry2:

Lee Rusty

10th March 2005, 13:05

car was used as a roadblock, the rider skidded into it, he was in trouble anyway as the Curran St entry to bridge was closed last night, the ducati is rooted.
SCU was involved to take pix etc for inquiry.

I work there.

vifferman

10th March 2005, 13:24

And take it from RR and me... the guy deserved it.
Fairy nuff. (We need a smiley / emoticon for that....)
I didn't start the thread with any preconceived ideas of what happened. Just saw the story, wondered who/what/why.

Hope they don't add this incident to LTSA/ACC "bikes are dangerous" statistics....

Lou Girardin

10th March 2005, 13:48

jrandom

10th March 2005, 13:59

So the car was involved in the chase.

You can't chase something when you're sitting still. The car was sitting still. So it wasn't chasing anything. Which means that it can't have been 'involved in the chase'.

If you're going to stretch the definition, then all the bystanders watching it from the footpath, the guys back at the police comms center, and the ambulance that arrived after the fact were also 'involved in the chase'.

I don't think that washes. Chases comprise the chaser(s) and chasee(s), end of story.

ktulu

10th March 2005, 14:09

Yeah I wonder what side of the road the police car was travelling in???
Probably was not in the chase and happened to wander over to the wrong side of the road in a moment of lapsed concentration and BAM a runner happens to hit him head on.......... Yeah Right.
suppose the cops gotta cover their ass these days. The bike shoulda stopped and it wouldnt have happened, but of course it is the police fault for chasing him right?
Bloody PC world we live in. I wouldve rammed the guy too if I was the cop.. no one gonna do a runner from me.

Well said, agree completely

c4.

10th March 2005, 17:51

All not so well and good for him!!!!!
I however fielded no less than 8 ph calls as to my participation in said manouvres.
MAAAANNNN, no way was that me!!! (it was in my hood... but,)
a/ I try very hard not to exceed suburban speed tolerances.
b/ I love my health too much to run from cops ( that are within sight for more than 20 secs of evasion)
c/ it was a Duck with fairings..... not a monsta.
d/ and MOST importantly, he was reported to be in his mid 40s..... I AM NOT at that hallowed hallmark..... yet

Skyryder

10th March 2005, 17:57

If you are going to 'do' a runner, ya take ya chances. At the end of the day you have two brakes and one throttle. Them's the choices

Skyryder

Waylander

10th March 2005, 17:58

Just one more thing the rest of the world will view as why bikes and bikers are dangerous. Up go the peaple cutting us off and pretty much ignoring us in all circumstanses on the road.

Gen

10th March 2005, 18:05

If it's the same accident, I saw a piccie of the bike, red ducati from the brief flash they showed on the screen.
Too damn dangerous to run from the police :spudwhat:

Gen

10th March 2005, 18:09

Just one more thing the rest of the world will view as why bikes and bikers are dangerous. Up go the peaple cutting us off and pretty much ignoring us in all circumstanses on the road.

Been seriously and safely observing people's behaviour while on the road as well as my own.
Not one person looks in the mirrors often, in fact most people looked completly oblivious to others on the road.
It's not just bikes they don't see and/or don't give a fuck about, they just don't think past themselves.
The driving skills are poor, but that's nothing most of us don't already know.
It's no excuse but there you go :(

c4.

10th March 2005, 18:32

True that!!! just tonight, I was cruising (in a lane) up a line of traffic waiting to turn right.
3 lanes, lady on my left suddenly realises she wants to be in lane turning right... on MY right. Didn't even see her check her mirrors, she just moved right with out indication, to try and push into line on MY right!!!
Luckily I had been playing in some of Aucklands worst all day ( saw 3!!! accidents already,)
saw her coming down on top of me out, punched throttle, I swear she yelled at ME??!!
You gotta know that they aren't watchin for you, so like chess, you gotta stay 3 moves in front. Never go to sleep on your bike!

Ms Piggy

10th March 2005, 19:15

Before people start bashing the cops - there was a very good reason why he was chased and he deserved what he got!
I agree - knob head! :tugger:

jrandom

10th March 2005, 20:52

Never go to sleep on your bike!

I work with a dude who fell asleep once, sitting on his ZX-7R at the lights. Woke up to the sweet caress of the bike falling on top of him.

Timber020

10th March 2005, 20:58

So the cops should be legally be allowed to potentially kill a guy? I understand justifyable force being used, but how different is puting a police car in the path of a biker and taking a shot at him?

The guy was on flee mode, look how many everyday citizens try to outrun the cops for minor reasons. Some guy in the US caused a massive carchase which ended in somebody getting killed because of the nature of the chase. Why was he being pulled over? Random pull over. WHy did he run? Because he was a school coach and was wearing a dress and was terrified what would happen to him if he was seen by the local cop like that.

Guy shouldnt have run, but fight and flight are strong parts of our psyche.

Waylander

10th March 2005, 21:08

jrandom

10th March 2005, 21:13

So the cops should be legally be allowed to potentially kill a guy? I understand justifyable force being used, but how different is puting a police car in the path of a biker and taking a shot at him?

Don't be ridiculous. Putting a car in his path was an entirely passive action. Your argument is fallacious sophistry of the worst kind.

The guy was on flee mode, look how many everyday citizens try to outrun the cops for minor reasons.

They blocked the road because doing so was safer than letting him ride at high speed into the road closure further down.

Guy shouldnt have run, but fight and flight are strong parts of our psyche.

Of course, of course. Remember Erin Burgess? Great fun. Aren't you glad the cops respected the safety of that fleeing motorcyclist, and *didn't* put a roadblock up?

Timber020

10th March 2005, 21:28

I dont nessesarily disagree with what the cops did, Im just thinking the whole situation through and wondering about the outer limits of when the cops choose to stop the chase or how much power they put into stopping it.

I find it interesting when so many say "he got what he deserved" when so many of us speed, and so many of us find it so deplorable when one of our "ranks" get hurt by the actions of a cage.

Yes this situation is different, but how different?

c4.

10th March 2005, 21:36

Heeeeyyyy, they were following him!!
You think they didn't have a plate!!!???
Plus, if he's going over the bridge, they got him on camera at least 1/2 a dozen times, not to mention being able to close off-ramps.
If he bailed down to wethaven, he's even gotter.
Nah , some young copper in a cage who's seen too many sepo movies.
F*c**rs

madboy

10th March 2005, 21:36

I'd run for something as simple as no Reg, and as my bike is seldom reg'd, what do ya reckon the chances are of a chase starting for that lame reason sooner or later? BUT... as I've said in other threads, I'd run if the odds were heavily stacked in my favour - if 1500kg objects were being parked in front of me I might rethink the whole deal!! Don't want to prejudge the 5-0 in this case, but here's a little story for ya from my archives...

I got busted years ago (co-incidentally following a pursuit where the odds were not stacked heavily in my favour) and getting a ride home with one of the officers I asked about a brand new Police car that I'd seen just down the road a week before that had been t-boned. He said a patrol had spotted a disq driver and went to pull him over. He, driving his Vauxhall Viva with his family in it, failed to stop, and proceeded to drive his family home at 50km/h. The pursuing officer radioed it in, kept his distance but still with lights and sirens going. This guy continued to dawdle down the road heading for his home address. Guy was a regular with the cops, so they weren't too worried about losing him anyway - and while my turbocharged rice rocket might have given their Commos a go, his Vauxhall Viva sure as hell wouldn't. Aside from failing to stop, he was otherwise obeying the road rules. They get a bit further down the road, still status quo, and round a bend into a narrow section that goes past some shops and a train station. Rookie 5-0 racing toward the pursuit from the opposite direction goes "Holy shit - it's the car they're chasing!" and swerves right across the road dead in front of the Viva. You ever tried the brakes in a Viva?

Now, back to the winner on the Duc - was the patrol car truly parked in a roadblock, or did he try to take the bike out? Cos if it was a genuine roadblock - the guy on the Duc's a dipshit!

speedpro

10th March 2005, 21:51

Now, back to the winner on the Duc - was the patrol car truly parked in a roadblock, or did he try to take the bike out? Cos if it was a genuine roadblock - the guy on the Duc's a dipshit!

There's only one thing for sure and that is that we will never get a reliable answer to that question.

madboy

10th March 2005, 21:57

There's only one thing for sure and that is that we will never get a reliable answer to that question.Amen .........

Madmax

10th March 2005, 22:09

looked like a 900ss

Coldkiwi

11th March 2005, 11:45

Yes, so the guy shouldn't have run and the cops are doing their job (we know this, it is after all about the 4,000th thread on bikers doing runners and the ensuing karma coming to get them)
Its a shame the cops can't come clean about it though. I don't imagine ANY motorcycle rider running headlong into a stopped car with flashing lights that they can see from a decent distance . So if the cops put a road block out in a spot that maybe wasn't the best, why not just say 'we needed to stop him because he's been a very naughty boy (insert drugs/booze/robbery etc) and this was the only place we could do it' instead of 'we sent a car to WARN him of road works ahead and somehow they happened to hit each other'.
I think what people want to see is cops doing their best to do their job but being honest enough about their work when things go off course to admit 'hey, we tried our best, didn't work out the way it should've and we think we can probably do better'.

Since when did ANY law enforcement agency warn a fleeing crim of ROADWORKS when they have the car available to try and stop him?? Excuses like that roadworks story just take away from peoples respect for them I think.

vifferman

11th March 2005, 11:59

In case you didn't see it (from The Harold):

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=copy vAlign=top>Rider injured in police chase</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=copy vAlign=top>
11.03.05
By ELIZABETH BINNING

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>A motorcyclist pursued by police is in hospital after crashing into a police car parked across the middle of the road to stop him.

The chase occurred late on Wednesday night after the motorcyclist failed to stop for a police patrol car on the North-western Motorway.

Auckland City police spokeswoman Noreen Hegarty said the motorcyclist had been travelling at "excessive speeds" on the city-bound lanes of the motorway.

After failing to stop for police the motorcyclist, in his mid-40s, was pursued through Pt Chevalier.

The chase continued along Great North Rd, up Bullock Track and eventually into Curran St.

Ms Hegarty said the chase had been monitored by the Northern Communications Centre which sent extra patrol cars to assist.

While the extra patrol cars were not involved in the chase, one parked across the middle of Curran St in an attempt to stop the motorbike. The police car had its lights flashing and sirens on.

Ms Hegarty said the motorcyclist had failed to stop and slid into the front left corner of the stationary car.

The driver received moderate injuries and was expected to spend two days in Auckland Hospital.

Two officers in the stationary patrol car at the time were not injured. The patrol car and Ducati motorbike are now in "secure storage" for the investigation.

The Police Complaints Authority has also been notified of the accident.

NZ First police spokesman Ron Mark said while his sympathy was with the motorcyclist's family, the accident could have been easily avoided.

"There's one simple way that lawbreakers can avoid injuring themselves in police chases and that is to stop when they are first asked to." </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

MSTRS

11th March 2005, 12:06

I only 'know' what I've read here. Seems to me the guy on the Duc had to be stopped as quick as, BUT why lie about how he was stopped? This sort of thing (the lying) happens all over the country probably daily, and Joe Public is getting tired of having his intelligence insulted. ColdKiwi's comments about respect are absolutely on the money.