What the hell's up with Wellington cagers these days?

[Laxi]

so, organised to meet up with insanity rules in petone for a coffee after work, (seeing as how our last outing was so rudly interupted,(selfish bastard:bleh:), anyway, I was riding along humming whatever tune was stuck in my head, minding my own buisness when a car wanders straight across the road in front of me, waking me up very quickly, with my back tyre screeching and me moving suspisiously side ways I avoided becoming the latest bit of bling attached to her multi-coloured jap tosser waggon (this all happened right outside the cafe much to insanitys amusment).
so after a quick 1 finger wave to tosser waggons occupants I parked up and joined him for my caffine shot, I hadnt even sat down when a car across the road backed out of its car park causing a repeat of the screeching sound, as we sat there drinking our coffees, talking a bit of crap as you do, this happened 4 more times, 6 near misses in 1 spot in 20 minutes or so.
wellingtonians Love nothing more than dissing Daucklanders driving skills, and I used to agree, but it seems we've caught up and surpassed their efforts, hell even nth Queensland drivers who are used to making their own roads make us look like demolition drivers, is this just a wellington thing or should every road in new zealand be converted into pedestrian only areas?

[JimO]

what the fucks a cager

[James Deuce]

Ring Andrew Templeton. Your braking technique needs work.

http://www.roadsafe.co.nz/aboutus/aboutus.htm

[Laxi]

car driver

[James Deuce]

I know I am, but what are you?

[Laxi]

Ring Andrew Templeton. Your braking technique needs work.

http://www.roadsafe.co.nz/aboutus/aboutus.htm

been there done that:whistle:

[James Deuce]

been there done that:whistle:

Ahh, so we know everything now? I would respectfully suggest that Andrew will be turning in his grave to hear of an ex-pupil locking the rear in such a blase manner.

They do more than just Basic Handling skills courses too.

I'm booking my refresher course, when are you?

[Number One]

I have actually noticed cars seem to be pulling over to block filtering bikes a LOT more than ever used to happen.

Come on folks...who hasn't been giving out happy thank you waves to cars when they move over AND stand up all you punks that have been kicking in side mirrors?! :lol:

Seriously though - it does seem to me that Wellington drivers have become more testy, impatient and much much less considerate of late. Unless it's just that I actually notice it all more because I am riding more defensively and actually paying more attention than I used to :scratch:

[Katman]

when a car wanders straight across the road in front of me, waking me up very quickly,

What the fuck were you doing asleep?

[Maki]

[QUOTE=James Deuce;2028592]Ahh, so we know everything now? I would respectfully suggest that Andrew will be turning in his grave to hear of an ex-pupil locking the rear in such a blase manner.
QUOTE]

Sorry to hear that. When did Andrew pass away?

[Trudes]

It's school holidays and just after Easter weekend.........
























Wellington's full of visiting Dorklanders driving their cages about.:Pokey:

[Laxi]

Ahh, so we know everything now? I would respectfully suggest that Andrew will be turning in his grave to hear of an ex-pupil locking the rear in such a blase manner.

They do more than just Basic Handling skills courses too.

I'm booking my refresher course, when are you?

While not the question I was asking.
No far from it. I am more than willing to admit I will always having somthing to learn, as with everything in life. You on the other hand obviously do and love to post on every thread telling us all about it, maybe you could teach me, master. You of infinite wisdom who never makes a fucking mistake, see I admit I fucked up, wasn't paying as much attention to my surroundings as I should have been (maybe you could instruct me on how you manage to never drop concentration even for second?), I only had about 5 metres to stop so I panicked and locked my back wheel, I don’t expect you to understand this as obviously men of steel such as yourself never break a sweat.

[Katman]

see I admit I fucked up, wasn't paying as much attention to my surroundings as I should have been

So if you fucked up, what's with giving the car driver the finger?

[Laxi]

fuck people, give it up! I may have fucked up by not expecting some psycho bitch to cross a main road with a blind fold on but if I fucking hit her who do you think the cops would blame?
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actually scratch that, it would be me cause im riding the bike

[Swoop]

I have actually noticed cars seem to be pulling over to block filtering bikes a LOT more than ever used to happen.

Come on folks...who hasn't been giving out happy thank you waves to cars when they move over AND stand up all you punks that have been kicking in side mirrors?!
This is part of the problem. You all need to be getting the attention of tin-top fuckwits by reminding these retards that they do not (in fact) own the road.
A nice "thank-you" wave is a start.:first:
A happy mirrorectomy for those who are deliberately blocking or endangering a biker, is the other end of the spectrum.:first:

[sinfull]

While not the question I was asking.
No far from it. I am more than willing to admit I will always having somthing to learn, as with everything in life. You on the other hand obviously do and love to post on every thread telling us all about it, maybe you could teach me, master. You of infinite wisdom who never makes a fucking mistake, see I admit I fucked up, wasn't paying as much attention to my surroundings as I should have been (maybe you could instruct me on how you manage to never drop concentration even for second?), I only had about 5 metres to stop so I panicked and locked my back wheel, I don’t expect you to understand this as obviously men of steel such as yourself never break a sweat.

Think the point he was making was more toward the fact you slammed the back brake on, not the lack of concentration ! Though that is gonna burn ya one day !
Only Jay lawrence uses his back brakes, sure it looks cool going sideways into a corner but not sideways into a car that caught you unawares !
Think i've just gone through my third set of front pads since i last changed my back ones !

[mattian]

Is who's to blame really important when you're lying in the middle of the road with a broken bike and possibly pelvis? as she drives away blissfully unaware of the carnage she created?......... never let your guard down, and ALWAYS! ride like no one can see you. I know it can piss you off at times, but honestly mate, its going to happen, again and again and again...........

[Laxi]

Is who's to blame really important when you're lying in the middle of the road with a broken bike and possibly pelvis? as she drives away blissfully unaware of the carnage she created?......... never let your guard down, and ALWAYS! ride like no one can see you. I know it can piss you off at times, but honestly mate, its going to happen, again and again and again...........

so everyone on here's superman? 100% concentration 100% of the time? I might as well have said i ride around with my finger up my ass, perving at chicks & catching 40

[mattian]

hehe.... nah, no one is perfect.... me!? far from it!! I may have reacted the same way as you. People can give you all kinds of advice on here about how to avoid this kind of thing but, until you've actually had an "in ya face" kind of fright! most of it can sound like a lecture. Often we need a little panic moment to wake us up a bit.

[nico]

I have actually noticed cars seem to be pulling over to block filtering bikes a LOT more than ever used to happen.

Come on folks...who hasn't been giving out happy thank you waves to cars when they move over AND stand up all you punks that have been kicking in side mirrors?! :lol:

Seriously though - it does seem to me that Wellington drivers have become more testy, impatient and much much less considerate of late. Unless it's just that I actually notice it all more because I am riding more defensively and actually paying more attention than I used to :scratch:




yesss 100000000000000000x agree with caggers blocking filtering bikes is starting to get quite bad scraping my knukles outa scum's windows/wing mirriors every morning:devil2:

[pzkpfw]

I'm booking my refresher course, when are you?



You on the other hand obviously do and love to post on every thread telling us all about it, maybe you could teach me, master. You of infinite wisdom who never makes a fucking mistake, see I admit I fucked up, wasn't paying as much attention to my surroundings as I should have been (maybe you could instruct me on how you manage to never drop concentration even for second?), I only had about 5 metres to stop so I panicked and locked my back wheel, I don’t expect you to understand this as obviously men of steel such as yourself never break a sweat.

Point so missed.

[James Deuce]

While not the question I was asking.
No far from it. I am more than willing to admit I will always having somthing to learn, as with everything in life. You on the other hand obviously do and love to post on every thread telling us all about it, maybe you could teach me, master. You of infinite wisdom who never makes a fucking mistake, see I admit I fucked up, wasn't paying as much attention to my surroundings as I should have been (maybe you could instruct me on how you manage to never drop concentration even for second?), I only had about 5 metres to stop so I panicked and locked my back wheel, I don’t expect you to understand this as obviously men of steel such as yourself never break a sweat.

Do I? I thought every second thread was burning a non-waver. I'll have to work on that.

[pete376403]

Seriously though - it does seem to me that Wellington drivers have become more testy, impatient and much much less considerate of late. :
It's possibly that they are getting sooo pissed off with the neverending roadworks on the Hutt road, and the way they cone off a kilometer of lane for a whole day to allow for a bit of work on the side of the road, and the fact thats there is fuck-all parking in the CBD within two blocks of where you want to park, and if you do find a park then the predatory parking wardens who ticket your car for five minutes over time or the bastard Wilsons parking operatives if you DO try and leave your car off road, and...stuff like that

[RocKai]

Sorry to hear that. When did Andrew pass away?
LOL


Do I? I thought every second thread was burning a non-waver. I'll have to work on that.
Feel the loveeee baby :love:

So options are:
1. Keep it to yourself.
2. Post it on KB and get flamed.
3. Pay the cager respect with finger and knuckles on wing mirror.
4. None of the above. I'll go cry in a corner on Dririder's lap.

I'm just kidding. They're just probably in a hurry to go somewhere. And people will always flame you for no reason. So should you. Heck, even John Key will flame and make fun of you if he sees this thread. Nice for sharing with us though. RESPECT people :rockon:

[Number One]

It's possibly that they are getting sooo pissed off with the neverending roadworks on the Hutt road, and the way they cone off a kilometer of lane for a whole day to allow for a bit of work on the side of the road, and the fact thats there is fuck-all parking in the CBD within two blocks of where you want to park, and if you do find a park then the predatory parking wardens who ticket your car for five minutes over time or the bastard Wilsons parking operatives if you DO try and leave your car off road, and...stuff like that
Actually that about the road works is a good point. Though I'm noticing the blocking filterers thing on the gorge more so than anywhere else. Used to be that MANY MANY cars would be quite happy to pull away from the centreline to make room. I have had heaps more cars 'seemingly on purpose' move into the centre line to block bikes...either that or they are actually just weaving all over the road like rebels without a clue. Either way it has made me filter even more slowly than usual

[sinfull]

LOL


Feel the loveeee baby :love:

So options are:
1. Keep it to yourself.
2. Post it on KB and get flamed.
3. Pay the cager respect with finger and knuckles on wing mirror.
4. None of the above. I'll go cry in a corner on Dririder's lap.

I'm just kidding. They're just probably in a hurry to go somewhere. And people will always flame you for no reason. So should you. Heck, even John Key will flame and make fun of you if he sees this thread. Nice for sharing with us though. RESPECT people :rockon:

Option 1 !
How many times has someone posted on here saying a cager switched lanes and near took me out ?
It is going to happen ! Drivers (you and i, him and her, they and them) are going to miss seeing a bike 5 metres behind and to the side, simply because they are not looking for you ! They are looking for a car grille, a bonnet, a truck and a bike just dont register in that split second glance they took !
Option 2 !
Yep yr sure as hell gonna get flamed for admitting you rode in someones blindspot and didn't see that they were likely to switch lanes and then admit to locking the back brake ! Then post it on HERE !
Though i did'nt really see it as a flaming, more of a "lol you did what, with which brake" !
Option 3 !
Why would you ? It aint their fault you rode in their blind spot and started humming ! That behaviour would only entice drivers to squeeze out bikes as #1 said !
Option 4 ? Is she cute ?

[Number One]

Option 4 ? Is she cute ?

Bahahahaa I think SHE is a HE....still interested mate? :blip:

[James Deuce]

Sorry to hear that. When did Andrew pass away?

1989. He's a stubborn bastard.

[sinfull]

Bahahahaa I think SHE is a HE....still interested mate? :blip:

Ask me again when Heidi's been over in Oz for a month !
Nah scratch that !
She'd just get the shits with me for not lettin her watch !
Ya just cant win !

[MSTRS]

so everyone on here's superman? 100% concentration 100% of the time?

Nope...it's just that 'us ancients' are well-used to the Spanish Inquisition.

[Slyer]

Anyone who says "these days" instantly loses the argument.
No no no NO

[pzkpfw]

Though I'm noticing the blocking filterers thing on the gorge more so than anywhere else. Used to be that MANY MANY cars would be quite happy to pull away from the centreline to make room. I have had heaps more cars 'seemingly on purpose' move into the centre line to block bikes...either that or they are actually just weaving all over the road like rebels without a clue. Either way it has made me filter even more slowly than usual

The gorge sucks, though. When I'm lucky enough to be riding (you know, wife is sick or something) I don't split much of the gorge. Feels too risky to me.

When I'm driving the car (which is most of my commuting), down the centre lane, I'm watching the cars next to me - to see what they are up to. That's both sides, next to me and down a few tens' of metres. I'm watching to see if the folk in lane 3 want to come into lane 2, or those in lane 1 want to come into lane 2. I'm watching for indicators, brake lights, changes in behaviour of the traffic further ahead. Also for that look of "I want to change lanes but won't indicate 'till I've seen the gap I want".

Then there's the dorks coming in from J'ville who indicate and merge into lane 1, then leave their indicators on. Are they wanting to come straight on into lane 2? Or did they just not turn their indicators off? I've backed-off to leave gaps for people who didn't take them, and gone past people who did want to change lane and who gave me "f-you" glares.

On top of that (really, not just saying this as it's KB) I'm watching my three mirrors for bikes approaching fromm behind. (Damn you arse fucks who ride with high-beam on!). I try to make room for them, but I've had bikes pass me on both sides at the same time. Where do they want me to go?!

Call me an uncoordinated dweeb - but if I said all that was easy, I'd not be taking driving seriously enough.

I see bikes doing it wrong too. Bikes with no indicators on, or using the left one not the right-hand one. Many mornings I see this little BMW thing on the left shoulder. In Tawa this morning a dork on a Bandit (?) pulled out in front of me, then practically stopped in front of me as he had to give way to a car he'd not seen comming from his left.

(I've forgotten why I wrote all this. Just needing to rant [about nothing], I suppose.)

Someone blocking you on purpose is certainly an arse; but they may not be.

In my car I've seen many bikes split - never once saw a car in front of me block a bike. (Never had it done to me, either).

[A month ago I had a truck in front of me (lane 2). Another truck of the same company came up in lane 3 and matched speed with it. (Slowing down the traffic in lane 3). They had a chat through open windows, then I saw a passenger in the lane 3 truck pass a can of drink to the driver of the lane 2 truck! (All in rush-hour downhill gorge traffic). They were from a traffic control company! I rang their regional manager to complain.]

The gorge sucks.

[RocKai]

LoL funny how you remember all that. But yeah, i've seen more bikes doing stupid than car doing stupid things like weaving and splitting. Stuff like:
>No indicating
>Txting riding
>Weaving in rush hour traffic
>Black Invisible Batman riders
>Overtake in corners between cars
>Wheelie in traffic :2thumbsup:

All in all I don't ride or keep in line with other cars, just get your own space. Who cares about the rest unless they hit you in the end. Then the carnage begins :2guns:


(Damn you arse fucks who ride with high-beam on!)
Nudge them to tell them to turn it off <_<. The only time I get annoyed by high beam are HID beams because they fking totally blind you for like 5 seconds. The normal beam is not that bad, if you're driving at night, I flick the rear view mirror up a notch and you can see the reflection off your roof or something so it's not blindingly bright, lol, it's weird but it works.

[RocKai]

HEY I GOT MY SECOND BLING
:whocares::bash:
Oh I forgot it's KB. But I DO :woohoo:
"Full of love and disrespect"

Rant over. Or is it? Let's close this thread and move on to how bucket race can crash :sunny:

[pzkpfw]

(

...I flick the rear view mirror up a notch...

I wish! My cars rear view mirror has some kind of electronic-sensor with electronic-auto-dim thing. I can never tell the difference whether it's on or off.
)

[RocKai]

Oh you drive this? Then you should be flying, not stuck in middle lane :lol::dodge:

[Insanity_rules]

Wow I cant believe the point was missed by a country mile! Are we taking the piss or what?

Point being some dumb impatient slut pulled out in front of Laxi because she either misjudged or wasn't lookin. Theres lots of impatience out there at the moment. Traffic is turning on us people! I've had lots of cars on state 2 try to block my split. What a nightmare.

If he locked up his brakes, who gives a shit as long as he stayed upright and didn't hit anything........like the road.

[Katman]

Wow I cant believe the point was missed by a country mile! Are we taking the piss or what?

Point being some dumb impatient slut pulled out in front of Laxi because she either misjudged or wasn't lookin. Theres lots of impatience out there at the moment. Traffic is turning on us people! I've had lots of cars on state 2 try to block my split. What a nightmare.

If he locked up his brakes, who gives a shit as long as he stayed upright and didn't hit anything........like the road.

Spoken like a true squid.

[icekiwi]

so everyone on here's superman? 100% concentration 100% of the time? I might as well have said i ride around with my finger up my ass, perving at chicks & catching 40



Phew I thought I was the only one who rode like this.....

[Insanity_rules]

Spoken like a true squid.

Settle petal. Skidding isn't exactly ideal but at least he pulled it off.

[Bend-it]

It's school holidays and just after Easter weekend.........

Wellington's full of visiting Dorklanders driving their cages about.:Pokey:

My thoughts exactly! We should do a KB advanced riding skills course with Andrew... maybe we'll get a group discount or something! I'll be in for something like that!

[Tubbsy]

Reading this thread....I still reckon Aucklanders drive like shit. Went to Devonport at lunch to meet up for coffee.....pulled away from some lights I'd been stopped at, when this young blonde thing pulls out straight in front of me from a line of moving cars, she spots me....and keeps moving to further in front of me!!!! No brakes nothing! Luckily there was a bicycle lane with no cycles in it for me to use to avoid becoming a hood ornament...and as I zoot past in the cycle lane...I get a farkin wave!

Lucky she was hot! :2thumbsup

[Bend-it]

pulled away from some lights I'd been stopped at, when this young blonde thing pulls out straight in front of me from a line of moving cars, she spots me....and keeps moving to further in front of me!!!!

You pulled away at lights, and a blonde in a cage caught up with you!?!? and instead of accelerating away and moving to the centre of the lane to "own" it, you pull to the side??

Oh that's right... it's a hyobag you're on... :lol: :dodge:

In all seriousness, not being decisive with your riding and lane-placement is just as dangerous as riding too fast... Next time, at the lights, take off so that you're out of the way of cages and move to the centre of the lane asap, otherwise you're gonna get squished!

[Tubbsy]

You pulled away at lights, and a blonde in a cage caught up with you!?!? and instead of accelerating away and moving to the centre of the lane to "own" it, you pull to the side??


No mate, she pulled over from the line of cars moving in the 'opposite' direction. I was fine with the lane I was in. I saw it in time, and was well clear of the cars behind me.

[Tubbsy]

"In time" enough to dodge it anyway :banana:

[Bend-it]

Ohhh shit! Haha!! Now I get you!!

Yeah, there's not much you can do there apart from pray!!

And do a quick U-turn and tell her what you thought of the manoevre (how the hell do you spell that word!?!?)!!

and *555 her ass!

[Tubbsy]

I was initially annoyed, but she didn't mean it, no harm done in the end I suppose, and hopefully it taught her to look out for bikes in the future.

That's something I wonder, whenever we have a close call, do you reckon it teaches the drivers that we travel faster than they realise and therefore as a result they are more vigilant in the future.....or do you maybe reckon they just think it's our fault? :slap::weird:

[Bend-it]

you're just being nice 'coz she's hot...

Hot women get away with everything!! I'll bet the actual Bain murderer was a hot blonde who then slept with the investigating detective who then burnt down the house.

[Tubbsy]

Damn right.....if it was a fat sweaty bloke I'd have yelled and given the middle finger salute. It's the law of the jungle...."hotties get away with shit" (female hotties only might I add) Clause 45.A subclause B I think. :niceone:

[MIXONE]

What is it with Welly drivers?
I had to do a trip from Porirua to the airport during peak a couple of weeks back.A friggin nightmare with thousands of cars on the stop way (can't call it a motorway when you have to continually stop!) and 99.9% of them had one occupant.FFS no wonder the traffic chokes up.

PS I made room for every splitting bike but mumbled and grumbled with envy as they shot off into the distance.

[Bend-it]

What is it with Welly drivers?
I had to do a trip from Porirua to the airport during peak a couple of weeks back.A friggin nightmare with thousands of cars on the stop way (can't call it a motorway when you have to continually stop!) and 99.9% of them had one occupant.FFS no wonder the traffic chokes up.

PS I made room for every splitting bike but mumbled and grumbled with envy as they shot off into the distance.

How many in your car then?

[Katman]

do you reckon it teaches the drivers that we travel faster than they realise

Do you mean faster than 50 in a 50 kph zone/100 in a 100 kph zone?

[Tubbsy]

Do you mean faster than 50 in a 50 kph zone/100 in a 100 kph zone?

No, I mean that we get to 50km/h faster than the cars do. Like when pulling away from lights.

[Number One]

The gorge sucks.
:lol: BREATHE....in and out......in and out ;)

[Bend-it]

The gorge sucks

Nothing wrong with the gorge... I split up and down it almost everyday during peak hour...

Except I'm on a pushbike once in awhile these days... Now that sucks big time...

[Hazza]

I have actually noticed cars seem to be pulling over to block filtering bikes a LOT more than ever used to happen.

Come on folks...who hasn't been giving out happy thank you waves to cars when they move over AND stand up all you punks that have been kicking in side mirrors?! :lol:

Seriously though - it does seem to me that Wellington drivers have become more testy, impatient and much much less considerate of late. Unless it's just that I actually notice it all more because I am riding more defensively and actually paying more attention than I used to :scratch:

+2

This happens to me on a daily basis fu*ckn taxi drivers and buses are the worst

[Tubbsy]

Luckily though, we're still the coolest things on the road. :beer:

Had a little kid come up to my bike at lunchtime with his yummy mummy to ask if he could see it (my bike). See!!! Hyosungs rock!!!! :2thumbsup

[Bend-it]

Luckily though, we're still the coolest things on the road. :beer:

Had a little kid come up to my bike at lunchtime with his yummy mummy to ask if he could see it (my bike). See!!! Hyosungs rock!!!! :2thumbsup

to little kids! Muahaha!!

[Tubbsy]

Yeh.....but the part in there to note was....he brought his yummy mummy. :2thumbsup

[Bend-it]

you're a naughty man...

[Tubbsy]

I prefer the term, 'red blooded':Punk:

[MIXONE]

How many in your car then?

Two adults,one child and heaps of luggage!

[RocKai]

A friggin nightmare with thousands of cars
How about a million motorcycles and bus? Lucky you don't have to see the grim reaper in the face after doing an emergency manoevre every 5 seconds :mad:


99.9% of them had one occupant.FFS no wonder the traffic chokes up.
What you're gonna do huh? Put one more in there? :pinch:

Oh btw, that's a typical roundabout at normal traffic hours, not peak rush mad hour

[haydz]

Ahh, so we know everything now? I would respectfully suggest that Andrew will be turning in his grave to hear of an ex-pupil locking the rear in such a blase manner.

They do more than just Basic Handling skills courses too.

I'm booking my refresher course, when are you?

Does Andrew have any friends? The last time I saw him, was cracking out lame anti-social jokes that nobody laughed at, acting like hes the bees-knees and being a condescending prick. :angry2:

[RocKai]

Does Andrew have any friends? The last time I saw him, was cracking out lame anti-social jokes that nobody laughed at, acting like hes the bees-knees and being a condescending prick.
Haha typical typical typical. Or doing stoppie on a Scorpio with his bright fluorovest in the car park.

[James Deuce]

Does Andrew have any friends? The last time I saw him, was cracking out lame anti-social jokes that nobody laughed at, acting like hes the bees-knees and being a condescending prick. :angry2:

One should stick with one's strong points.

[haydz]

One should stick with one's strong points.

:rolleyes: I apologize, Master Yoda

[James Deuce]

Apology, there is necessary not.

[haydz]

Apology, there is necessary not.

:stupid: :slap:

let me guess.... you and andrew are best mates? birds of a feather...

[James Deuce]

Known him for years. Good rider and mad skillz. If he's yelling at you it's because he thinks you can ride. If he's being nice you may want to look at catching the bus.

There was this club called Survivors MC, instructors, ex-instructors, and instructors victims. Good times.

[Trudes]

He threatened to fail me on my basic handling thing cause I couldn't do a U-turn without putting my foot down...... guess what, I still can't do U-turns :bleh: Sucker!!!:laugh:

[James Deuce]

I know this car park...........

[Number One]

He threatened to fail me on my basic handling thing cause I couldn't do a U-turn without putting my foot down...... guess what, I still can't do U-turns :bleh: Sucker!!!:laugh:
At one Wellington Motorcyclist of the year comp he made me redo one of the tests 4 times just to prove that I actually could do it and hadn't just fluked it. It was a U turn n a box test. Finally after I had once again aced it - he congratulated me. Funny thing was when I did my full license test practise run with him on the SV he had a similar response when he made me do the u turn bit in a rather narrow street. Geez Andrew we have been here before it was like deja vu except that because it was raining he didn't get me to do it 3 more times to prove I hadn't fluked it that time either.

THIS bitch can U turn like a machine :blip:

[Fatjim]

I try to make room for them, but I've had bikes pass me on both sides at the same time. Where do they want me to go?!


NOWHERE! They obviously think there's room otherwise they would still be behind you.




THIS bitch can U turn like a machine :blip:

Now there's a suprise! not.

[pzkpfw]

NOWHERE! They obviously think there's room otherwise they would still be behind you.

Sure.

So why all the bitching from riders saying the cars didn't move over for them?

(As opposed to moving to block them - which is a valid winge.)

wouldn't be room for the rider who passes me on my left. (We all know lane splitting is "legal" on the "pass a vehicle on its' right within its' lane" basis - but we also all know we use the left of the lane to the right usually too.)]

[Fatjim]

I think the bitching was specifically about cagers who block bikes on purpose.