This makes me unhappy with the world I live in

[Slicksta]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2334332/Elderly-dog-used-as-bait

This shit fucks me off why the fuck would you do something like this? what possible fucking reason?

[PirateJafa]

It'd be fun to break their legs and set their own dogs on them.

Pity this world is too PC for that.

[Trudes]

With you guys there, fucking scummy arseholes! I really hope they find these fuckheads, tie them up to a stick, pour jellymeat juice and pigs blood on them and let their dogs loose on them!

[Mikkel]

Indeed starve the pit bulls for a day or two and then setting them on their bottomfeeder scum owners seems like justice in this case.

[awayatc]

Every good dog breeder will destoy or at least neuter dogs that should not breed or should not be bred from.

This practice makes a lot of sense, you only breed from good healthy dogs, in order to keep the breed in good shape.

I think it is time we apply the same principal to people to....
Plenty of people should not be allowed to breed....
Some don't even deserve the right to breathe...

[fire eyes]

This is very sad to read ...

[chanceyy]

This completely and utterly disgusts me .. words actually fail me but I know what I want to happen to those worthless sacks of shit that stole the dog and set their own dogs on it

[pete376403]

It's upset so many people, who have made donations to SPCA, that they (SPCA) are now able to offer a $20000 reward for info leading to arrest of the scum.
With that amount on offer it shouldn't take too long for someone to give them up.

[Little Miss Trouble]

Sick fucking bastards!
Totally agree with you guys, sadly, IF they are caught they'll get the usual slap on the hand:mad:

[awayatc]

It's upset so many people, who have made donations to SPCA, that they (SPCA) are now able to offer a $20000 reward for info leading to arrest of the scum.
With that amount on offer it shouldn't take too long for someone to give them up.


Yeah, ...a slap on the wrist wit a wet busticket is just what they need.......

[malfunconz]

that poor ole dog looked fucked . hey they eat dogs in korea .

[Dave Lobster]

With that many witnesses, you'd have expected the news story to have a bit of a description of the pitbull owners... in order that the police could locate them.
Well.. I would anyway.

[Ixion]

That sort of stuff is why I don't live in this world.

[Hitcher]

In typical bloody Kiwi fashion, once again everybody turns a blind eye to things that go on in neighbourhoods that they live in, until an event gets front page headlines.

Dog fighting is big business in New Zealand. It's well organised, well patronised, well supported and lucrative. There's a good statistical probability that Kiwi Biker members are involved.

But, like family violence, people just shut the fuck up until some poor innocent is maimed or killed.

In this latest case of some poor old dog being stolen and used as live bait for trained killer dogs, I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that this isn't the first time that the owners of these animals have done such a thing.

I predict that it is unlikely that the SPCA's reward will produce any tangible evidence that leads to a conviction.

I also predict that there are Kiwi Biker members who will defend the owning of dangerous dog breeds, on the basis that it's not the dog's fault.

[coffeejunkie]

It happened in my neck of the woods and i'm keeping my ears and eyes well and truly open........Would be nice to be able to nark on some lowlife scumbag that gets his kicks that way........I almost cryed when i saw the dog as i have seen him walking with his mum at the lagoon, lovely dad and his mum

[fire eyes]

In typical bloody Kiwi fashion, once again everybody turns a blind eye to things that go on in neighbourhoods that they live in, until an event gets front page headlines.

Dog fighting is big business in New Zealand. It's well organised, well patronised, well supported and lucrative. There's a good statistical probability that Kiwi Biker members are involved.

But, like family violence, people just shut the fuck up until some poor innocent is maimed or killed.

In this latest case of some poor old dog being stolen and used as live bait for trained killer dogs, I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that this isn't the first time that the owners of these animals have done such a thing.

I predict that it is unlikely that the SPCA's reward will produce any tangible evidence that leads to a conviction.

I also predict that there are Kiwi Biker members who will defend the owning of dangerous dog breeds, on the basis that it's not the dog's fault.


I don't own any dogs. Granted there are some issues I do not think about unless they come to light via The News or Threads. I don't have room in my head to think or keep track of everything.

That does not mean I care any less.

[Beemer]

It absolutely appalled me, especially after seeing the old dog himself on the front page of the paper today. Looked a big softie. Loved hearing the owner say she'd like to snap the necks of the bastards who did this.

Hopefully with all those witnesses there will be rego plates for the white van the pit bull was tied to and the red car (hatchback I think) that the tall Maori with a pony tail arrived in with Lincoln.

As Hitcher says, I bet this isn't the first time this has happened, it's just the first time they have perhaps done it so publicly and someone has called the police to them.

I can't understand the attraction of watching animals tear each other to bits. At least with boxing the humans have been trained and have a choice, and they don't get rewarded for killing their opponent.

[Owl]

It's upset so many people, who have made donations to SPCA, that they (SPCA) are now able to offer a $20000 reward for info leading to arrest of the scum.
With that amount on offer it shouldn't take too long for someone to give them up.

I think that reward was put up by two business owners. Either way I hope these pricks are caught!:mad:

[Little Miss Trouble]

In typical bloody Kiwi fashion, once again everybody turns a blind eye to things that go on in neighbourhoods that they live in, until an event gets front page headlines.

Dog fighting is big business in New Zealand. It's well organised, well patronised, well supported and lucrative. There's a good statistical probability that Kiwi Biker members are involved.

But, like family violence, people just shut the fuck up until some poor innocent is maimed or killed.

In this latest case of some poor old dog being stolen and used as live bait for trained killer dogs, I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that this isn't the first time that the owners of these animals have done such a thing.

I predict that it is unlikely that the SPCA's reward will produce any tangible evidence that leads to a conviction.

I also predict that there are Kiwi Biker members who will defend the owning of dangerous dog breeds, on the basis that it's not the dog's fault.


Yes, sadly it has been going on for far too long and will continue to do so because there are far to many sickos out there who enjoy this 'sport'

I've worked with dogs rescued from this environment, some we had to put down because they'd gone mental, but others were the sweetest natured animals imaginable.

I'll put my hand up as one who will defend 'dangerous dog breeds' because it ISN'T the dogs fault, its the fucktard that trained the poor creature, the dog does it because it pleases his master/packleader.

[macros87]

i was really hoping this was some kind of crime against a bike.. this stuff really does disappoint me, just makes me have less faith in people being generally decent and caring.

[MSTRS]

After the elderly dog tried to defend himself against one of the dogs, one of the owners tried to break Lincoln's legs by pulling them apart.
Fuck the wet bus ticket...bring back the rack. Oh, and 'drawing'. Let the punishment fit the crime.

[Number One]

I saw this lovely old doggy on the front page yesterday and have to admit I wanted to pick up the paper and read the story but knew it was something bad when the caption said 'they tried to break the dogs legs'...I chose to not read it as I knew it would upset me too much and stuff about cruelty to animals and kids just seems to sit with me heavily.

I'd like to point out that this does not equal turning a blind eye because if I had witness to this shit I'd have been on my phone so damn fast reporting them, their vehicle regos and all that stuff.

This makes me sick to my stomach. These people are fucking scum and there is nothing you could do to them that would be harsh enough as far as I am concerned - low life cretins! :angry:

[Finn]

The thing that turns my stomach the most is animal cruelty followed closely by maori scum. So this news got me really pissed off.

I hope they catch them so they can all get a $25 fine.

Revenge is the best justice folks.

[fire eyes]

The thing that turns my stomach the most is animal cruelty followed closely by maori scum. So this news got me really pissed off.

I hope they catch them so they can all get a $25 fine.

Revenge is the best justice folks.

hmmmmmmmmm

[MsKABC]

It's upset so many people, who have made donations to SPCA, that they (SPCA) are now able to offer a $20000 reward for info leading to arrest of the scum.
With that amount on offer it shouldn't take too long for someone to give them up.

I'd give them up for free if I knew who the revolting pr!cks were. :no: As would most of us on here, I'm sure.

[Hitcher]

Also relevant to this discussion is the "break in" at the Invercargill pound, freeing two "dangerous dogs" that had been secured there.

[Dave Lobster]

Also relevant to this discussion is the "break in" at the Invercargill pound, freeing two "dangerous dogs" that had been secured there.


Secured???

[Str8 Jacket]

I read somewhere just recently that the SPCA now have the support, free of charge of a group of top lawyers. I hope that this may help in getting scum like this tougher penalties that actually cause the offender some form of distress. Judges have been getting tougher and tougher, just still not tough enough IMO. Sadly as Hitcher say's this has been going on "under peoples noses" for along time now. I had a flatmate who I found out was into it, it involves all types of members of society. Scum.

[98tls]

As has been posted the scum who do this shit will get no more than a slap on the wrist,those handing out the sentences cant seem to get tough with the likes of drink drivers so methinks whats a dogs chance of getting any real justice.

[Hitcher]

Interesting here is the depth of emotion felt against the perpetrators of the crime in this thread, versus the forgive-and-forget attitude being demonstrated by some KB members in the Tony Veitch sentencing thread. I'm not endeavoring to compare the offensiveness of either crime, merely noting that crimes against animals at times provokes a stronger response than comparable crimes against humans.

[98tls]

Interesting here is the depth of emotion felt against the perpetrators of the crime in this thread, versus the forgive-and-forget attitude being demonstrated by some KB members in the Tony Veitch sentencing thread. I'm not endeavoring to compare the offensiveness of either crime, merely noting that crimes against animals at times provokes a stronger response than comparable crimes against humans. Have noted similar in the past.Personally i hate scumbuckets wether there crimes are against humans or animals though then again the two can be easily confused it seems.What defies logic is our justice systems inability to decipher between the two,seems as long as you can stand on your hind legs in the dock your judged human.

[Trudes]

To me it's about defenselessness.... animals, children, old people and people with disabilities.

[Ocean1]

noting that crimes against animals at times provokes a stronger response than comparable crimes against humans.

I can understand that.


To me it's about defenselessness.... animals, children, old people and people with disabilities.

And women.

Oh, sorry, you covered that under disabilities...

[Trudes]

And women.

Oh, sorry, you covered that under disabilities...

:girlfight: :laugh:
Nope, I would never consider myself defenseless, the minute I do I'll probably become a victim.

[Number One]

I would never consider myself defenseless, the minute I do I'll probably become a victim.
U read or at least echo my thoughts far too much!

[jrandom]

U read or at least echo my thoughts far too much!

I'd be interested to know what you and Trudes consider your 'defenses', and what you think you're defending against.

[Number One]

I'd be interested to know what you and Trudes consider your 'defenses', and what you think you're defending against.
Pesonally I have no desire nor do I see any need to explain it to you or anyone else for that matter. So imagine for youself if you really care that much ;)

[Brett]

Motherfuckers need their eyes pulled out. I feel sorry for the pit bulls too, pit bulls can actually be great dogs when raised and trained well, clearly these have been raised to be vicous, no doubt for dog fighting - which in my opinion is abuse. If they find those guys I hope they are hit hard. But they won't be.

[Brett]

In typical bloody Kiwi fashion, once again everybody turns a blind eye to things that go on in neighbourhoods that they live in, until an event gets front page headlines.

Dog fighting is big business in New Zealand. It's well organised, well patronised, well supported and lucrative. There's a good statistical probability that Kiwi Biker members are involved.

But, like family violence, people just shut the fuck up until some poor innocent is maimed or killed.

In this latest case of some poor old dog being stolen and used as live bait for trained killer dogs, I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that this isn't the first time that the owners of these animals have done such a thing.

I predict that it is unlikely that the SPCA's reward will produce any tangible evidence that leads to a conviction.

I also predict that there are Kiwi Biker members who will defend the owning of dangerous dog breeds, on the basis that it's not the dog's fault.

Then I wish they would come forward so that i know who to put on ignore and have no respect for.

But i must say, that coming from a family that has had a lot of involvement in dog handling including training dogs for the military and police, that the term 'dangerous dog breeds' is more emotive than factual. That said, unfortuanately, certain breeds are like knives, there is nothing wrong with them and they do have perfectly good uses and can be used for good but in the wrong hands they can also be used for many corrupt activities.
FYI - The Staffordshire Bull Terrier ranks number 10 out of all dogs for 'best family dog' and best dog to have around children because of their natural instinct to be gentle with children and to be very tolerant of them. Unfortuanately with pitties, they have been bred for aggression that it has actually changed the psychological make up of the dog, it was once a very reliable and trust worthy family dog. Now, one needs to be very careful with training that people and dog aggression traits are picked up and dealt with early on.
Personally, I own a Boxer.

[Brett]

The thing that turns my stomach the most is animal cruelty followed closely by maori scum. So this news got me really pissed off.

I hope they catch them so they can all get a $25 fine.

Revenge is the best justice folks.

Sometimes I have to agree. If it was my dog used, I would literally be locked, loaded withthe 30.06 and hunting their mother forkin' arses down, because you are right; when a murder gets the sort of pathetic sentence handed down that the NZ justice system has come to see as acceptable, then what hope is there for any form or real punishment for these monkeys?

[Spyke]

And to think they call themselves New Zealanders. Hang till the death I say.

[Hitcher]

pit bulls can actually be great dogs when raised and trained well

Hmmm. But what is their purpose really other than to say, "I am a mean motherfucker because I've got big motherfucking dogs?" Cocker Spaniels are great dogs too, but I've never heard of "bad" ones tearing the faces off small children or ripping other dogs to shreds.

[MsKABC]

Hmmm. But what is their purpose really other than to say, "I am a mean motherfucker because I've got big motherfucking dogs?"

Yes, pitbulls (and fila brasilias, dogo argentinas etc) can be sociable dogs, but as you say, it's all about an image and what they were originally bred for. This country is certainly not a better place for having these dogs. You can't say the same for breeds that serve us like shepherds, border collies, huntaways, labradors and companion dogs like poodles, cocker spaniels and the like.


Cocker Spaniels are great dogs too, but I've never heard of "bad" ones tearing the faces off small children or ripping other dogs to shreds.

I wouldn't go as far as that, but it must be noted that even cocker spaniels can cause nasty injuries in a child. A friend's baby sustained a nasty bite on his face from their Pug dog. Labradors are quite inclined to bite children too.

[Number One]

I wouldn't go as far as that, but it must be noted that even cocker spaniels can cause nasty injuries in a child. A friend's baby sustained a nasty bite on his face from their Pug dog. Labradors are quite inclined to bite children too.

YUP and for this reason our latest addition will NOT be left with SullyOne on her own - kids can be soo unpredictable and it isn't always the dogs fault if it tries to tell a kid FUCK OFF AND LEAVE ME ALONE!

Funny thing is our boy is scared of our pup when she gets excited as she is teething she is quite mouthy - he has already developing a healthy respect for her jaws!

[MsKABC]

YUP and for this reason our latest addition will NOT be left with SullyOne on her own - kids can be soo unpredictable and it isn't always the dogs fault if it tries to tell a kid FUCK OFF AND LEAVE ME ALONE!


:niceone: Yep, my boy is never unsupervised around our dogs either.


Funny thing is our boy is scared of our pup when she gets excited as she is teething she is quite mouthy - he has already developing a healthy respect for her jaws!

To stop the puppy mouthing/biting thing: when she goes to do it, shove your fingers down her gob. It will be an unpleasant enough sensation that she will stop giving you the opportunity to do it ;) You will probably need a few different people to do it, but it usually works a treat.

[Mikkel]

And to think they call themselves New Zealanders. Hang till the death I say.

It is not that unlikely that the knuckle draggers that did this are of the more nationalistic observance. I.e. very proud to consider themselves New Zealanders without ever having done a single thing to improve their country or defend its values.

That's usually how it is elsewhere - why would NZ be much different.


Hmmm. But what is their purpose really other than to say, "I am a mean motherfucker because I've got big motherfucking dogs?" Cocker Spaniels are great dogs too, but I've never heard of "bad" ones tearing the faces off small children or ripping other dogs to shreds.

Some of these fighting dogs aren't actually that big - they just don't know when to quit (http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_pit_bull_vs_porcupine.htm).

[Brett]

Hmmm. But what is their purpose really other than to say, "I am a mean motherfucker because I've got big motherfucking dogs?" Cocker Spaniels are great dogs too, but I've never heard of "bad" ones tearing the faces off small children or ripping other dogs to shreds.

Look, I don't dissagree. These dickheads got pit bulls because of the 'image' that the dogs have. And that alone is reason enough to have the breed restricted. I just don't like the stigma that certain dogs have recieved because the media is allowed to paint a pretty picture of what that breed is "like". I mean, German Shepherds are equally, if not more naturallty volatile and aggresive that most bull-terrier breeds, however because these thugs don't associate them with the image they want to achieve, this breed isn't used as much to enhance their image.
Yes, we could write legislation that says that all people can own is companion dogs such as...maltese poodles, however the fact of the matter is that peole DO own dogs for specific reasons. gabby our boxer is also a form of a guard dog. We live out in the country-ish and my wife is often alone at night, therefore I want a loyal, brave dog that will protect my stuff and those I love. That said, I am spending lots of time and energy training her, and making her good with other dogs and people, she will not be an aggresive dog.

[Brett]

It is not that unlikely that the knuckle draggers that did this are of the more nationalistic observance. I.e. very proud to consider themselves New Zealanders without ever having done a single thing to improve their country or defend its values.

That's usually how it is elsewhere - why would NZ be much different.



Some of these fighting dogs aren't actually that big - they just don't know when to quit (http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_pit_bull_vs_porcupine.htm).

That one annoys me, that is a bull-terrier, not a pitty! But yeah, sometimes they dont know how to quit.
My uncle back in South African lives out in the bush, and they have two little foxies with the hearts of lions. The one in particular is ALWAYS picking fights with egyptian cobras...it seems to have a specific hate for them. When we were there a year ago, it had half its head swollen because it copped an eye full of venom from a spitting cobra and still it wouldn't leave them alone!

In fact to add to that story, when they used to live on the Kruger national Park, it even went out and started trouble with two cheetahs, and the little bastard out manouvered them and lost them (as witnessed by two English toursit and caught on tape! it had run away from home because it had done something naughty and was afraid of being in trouble, so the little sod took off and tried to live 'bush'. Funny little dog.

[avgas]

I'm not into revenge - I'm simple, these people are using my resources, their dogs can not be controlled.
Bullet in everyones heads.
No one suffers. I would expect the same to me if i did this (and have lost a dog for killing other animals).

[nudemetalz]

I see they've made an arrest. Hope they fry the bastard !!! :angry2: :bash:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/2345660/Money-pours-in-to-help-Lincoln
http://www.wellingtonspca.org.nz/news/2009/04/latest-on-lincoln/

The doggy now his own donation bank account, so I did what I thought was right and put $20.00 into it.
Poor thing, he's still not out of the crapper yet :( :crybaby:

[Hitcher]

I see they've made an arrest.

I got that prediction wrong! The dog fighting fraternity is generally more careful.

[candor]

I strongly wish the perpetrators death - and if I was religious would dedicate considerable time to praying for stars to align for that outcome. They say it was 1 man but 1 man does not watch a dog fight.

[Hitcher]

Death? Really? How does the perpetrator of this crime differ from your friendly neighbourhood drug dealer, or the owner of Bluechip?

[candor]

Greatly - drug dealers don't force victims. There is hands on brutal sadism in this case to a defenseless aged dog that was innocently going about its life (not to mention the anguish felt by its family - children likely traumatised).
IMO anyone capable of this is of no value - only negative value.

[MIXONE]

I got that prediction wrong! The dog fighting fraternity is generally more careful.

They don't normally have people offering $20,000 to dob them in either.

[Beemer]

And have you heard the latest sick animal abuse story? "Cowardly attack on sheep" - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2346944/Cowardly-attack-on-sheep

Three males are being hunted after a sheep was set alight and had half its mouth blown away with fireworks in what police described as a "cowardly, despicable act".

Acting Senior Sergeant Craig Madden, of Mount Maunganui police, said they were alerted after the trio were seen kicking what a member of the public thought was a person on the base track of Mauao (The Mount) about 10.30pm yesterday.

"When attended by police they discovered it was a sheep and it appeared to have suffered a very violent death," Mr Madden said.

"It appeared that fireworks had been placed in the mouth of the animal, which blew off its lower jaw."

It also had an open stomach wound, and there was evidence attempts had been made to set it on fire.

Police cordoned off the area and used a police dog to try to find the offenders but were not successful.

"This was a cowardly, despicable act and police are seeking any information from the public to identify these culprits."

There was a very good letter in today's Dom Post about how if it was a child, the police would do the prosecuting and the offender would go to jail, but if it is an animal, the case is handed to the under-resourced SPCA to deal with and whatever penalty may be handed down, it's always pathetically inadequate.

[Number One]

I am so glad they caught that bastard! Turns out he lives next door to my boss :gob: Who has a lovely dog - fucking huge big thing though so it wasn't probably in any danger.

Just goes to show you don't sometimes have a clue about what is going on over your own fence.

[Trudes]

Fuck that makes me sick!! There really are some complete coonts out there! Wankers!

[NZ CBR]

Losers that have no backbone, 1day those pitys will hopefully turn on them and rip the shit out of them. Id pay to see that.

This world realy needs to be cleaned up.

Boon dock saints style

:2guns:

[nudemetalz]

I see now the plod have also arrested the 3 little arseholes that murdered the sheep.

[Trudes]

Bags being first to put a sky rocket up their arses!!!!

[ital916]

Hmmm. But what is their purpose really other than to say, "I am a mean motherfucker because I've got big motherfucking dogs?" Cocker Spaniels are great dogs too, but I've never heard of "bad" ones tearing the faces off small children or ripping other dogs to shreds.

I think your prejudice against pitbulls can be compared to say big bad bikers dressed in black riding big bad cruisers, only 1 percent *if that* are actually bad people. Its the image that scares.

Again pitbulls are scary looking dogs, in the same way great whites etc instill fear so do pitbulls. I would never have a single moments hesitation in owning a pitbbull.

Would I get one becuase I would need to reassure myself im a bad motherfucker....no I wouldnt. I had a german sheperd that looked viscious but was a sweetheart in reality.

Oh and this case has nothing to do with a veitch case.

I do hope the criminals here get caught and punished.

I've never come across any dog fighting or hints of dig fighting in areas i've lived. Must be held in more rural areas.

[Hitcher]

I think your prejudice against pitbulls can be compared to say big bad bikers dressed in black riding big bad cruisers, only 1 percent *if that* are actually bad people. Its the image that scares.

So the purpose of owning a Pit Bull or other fighting dog breed is to have a dog with an image that scares? That sounds like a sensible attitude.

[short-circuit]

I'll put my hand up as one who will defend 'dangerous dog breeds' because it ISN'T the dogs fault, its the fucktard that trained the poor creature, the dog does it because it pleases his master/packleader.

You shouldn't get sucked in - that very sentence was the troll I was watching for as soon as I laid eyes on this thread.

Ask Gubb or anyone for that matter about my "savage" Staffordshire Bull Terrier

[Hitcher]

It's a shame that Sigmund Freud died before espousing on the reasons why people are attracted to certain breeds of dogs.

[short-circuit]

It's a shame that Sigmund Freud died before espousing on the reasons why people are attracted to certain breeds of dogs.

Troll alert or genuinely ignorant?

[Flynn]

Fuck the wet bus ticket...bring back the rack. Oh, and 'drawing'. Let the punishment fit the crime.

Now, now, .... now, you can't go doing that, These people have rights!!!:spanking:







FOR SOME STUPID REASON, you know they can't be fed bread and water or locked in a cell for 24hrs a day, that would be in humane, you know.

[Number One]

Ask Gubb or anyone for that matter about my "savage" Staffordshire Bull Terrier
Funny I just read about these 'savage Staffordshire Bull terriers' the book says..and I quote...

"Extremely active, agile and a high pain toleranc. Loving dogs who are loyal and devoted to people, with special emphasis on their reliability with children. This breed cherishes his mater's family environment. Staffy puppies are quick learners and, if properly trained and given clear oundaries from day one, they are very obedient and loyal dogs to have. They are also ideal family pets as they love children and other pets if brought up with them."

ooooo scary! :lol: Every single one of these dogs that I have met have been big softie love sponges...but then I only know people who I would consider to be 'responsible dog owners'.

[Hitcher]

Troll alert or genuinely ignorant?

It could be entertaining if people took up opposing views and presented learned argument for critique.

For example one side may say something along the lines of some people owning dogs as a substitute for their sexual inadequacies or personal insecurities.

Another side may say something along the lines of fighting dogs being rugged individuals with larger-than-life personalities that are more rewarding to own than more common dogs.

Then others could chip in supporting one or condemning another or, possibly postulating another theory entirely different to what went before. Perhaps a theory on socio-economic dog ownership, and why the poorer the people the bigger and meaner the dog.

That sort of thing.

[Number One]

the poorer the people the bigger and meaner the dog.

:lol: on that theory I would have to conclude that...


I'm rich biarch!
http://entimg.msn.com/i/150/TV/1/chappellesshow_dchappelle2_.jpg

[awayatc]

always had and still have Rottweilers....
I wanted some dogs at home looking after things while I was away at sea for half my life...
With little kids as well I wanted them protected, not eaten.

Never had anything bad happen, and they have saved the day in more ways then one.....
They are well loved and well behaved pets, with a good brain and pleasant disposition.
No need to teach them how to be mean....They love their "family" and will look after us if the need arises.
No they don't fight with other dogs...far to dignified for that.

So what category do I fit in...?

[wbks]

I think your prejudice against pitbulls can be compared to say big bad bikers dressed in black riding big bad cruisers, only 1 percent *if that* are actually bad people. Exactly! Only for the small fact that big bad bikers aren't bred to assault and are therefor genetically more prone to violence more than the next person...

[Patch]

:niceone: Yep, my boy is never unsupervised around our dogs either.



To stop the puppy mouthing/biting thing: when she goes to do it, shove your fingers down her gob. It will be an unpleasant enough sensation that she will stop giving you the opportunity to do it ;) You will probably need a few different people to do it, but it usually works a treat.
so it'll be ok if I bring a few mates around and give you the same treatment? That's abuse!! plain and fucking simple abuse.
It would be in your dog's best interest to learn how to train him/her instead of abusing him/her.

Buy the dog fresh brisket bones periodically, similar reason why you give a teething baby a crusket/teething ring.

Treat your dog how you would like to be treated.


Exactly! Only for the small fact that big bad bikers aren't bred to assault and are therefor genetically more prone to violence more than the next person...
depends what kind of childhood they had - one can never tell until it is too late

[MsKABC]

so it'll be ok if I bring a few mates around and give you the same treatment? That's abuse!! plain and fucking simple abuse.
It would be in your dog's best interest to learn how to train him/her instead of abusing him/her.

Buy the dog fresh brisket bones periodically, similar reason why you give a teething baby a crusket/teething ring.

Treat your dog how you would like to be treated.


You do it to the point where it is uncomfortable for the dog, not to the point where it is painful or harmful to them. What do you think an adult dog in the pack does to a puppy when it bites? It gives them a damn good telling off is what it does. No different. Dogs need to be treated like dogs, not like humans. If people learned to do this, there would be a lot less badly behaved and poorly socialised dogs. 12 years of competing in dog obedience competitions and winning ribbons and trophies, representing my region at a national level says I DO know how to train a dog quite well, thanks very much. If you saw my dogs, you would see happy, well-adjusted and well mannered dogs. This speaks for itself really. Thank you and have a nice day :wavey:

[Patch]

You do it to the point where it is uncomfortable for the dog, not to the point where it is painful or harmful to them. What do you think an adult dog in the pack does to a puppy when it bites? It gives them a damn good telling off is what it does. No different. Dogs need to be treated like dogs, not like humans. If people learned to do this, there would be a lot less badly behaved and poorly socialised dogs. 12 years of competing in dog obedience competitions and winning ribbons and trophies, representing my region at a national level says I DO know how to train a dog quite well, thanks very much. If you saw my dogs, you would see happy, well-adjusted and well mannered dogs. This speaks for itself really. Thank you and have a nice day :wavey:
wot a crock of shit - the dog ain't gonna say if it is uncomfortable or painful is it? a good way to get bitten tho, the only thing that should be going down a dog's throat is food - much better ways to discipline than shoving your fingers down his/her throat.

There is no fuckin difference between treating a dog and a human. Both deserve love, respect, food, shelter, discipline etc etc.

Who gives a fuck what colour/how many pretty ribbons you got/get - seen a few "happy" dogs with "pleasant" owners that aren't so pleasant behind closed gates.

Perhaps when you have in excess of over twenty-five years working with "man's best friend" then it might give you some weight to stand on your little soapbox and declare your self-righteous behaviour.


Abuse is abuse, no matter what you colour it as, whether it be mental or physical.

[MsKABC]

wot a crock of shit - the dog ain't gonna say if it is uncomfortable or painful is it? a good way to get bitten tho, the only thing that should be going down a dog's throat is food - much better ways to discipline than shoving your fingers down his/her throat.

There is no fuckin difference between treating a dog and a human. Both deserve love, respect, food, shelter, discipline etc etc.

Who gives a fuck what colour/how many pretty ribbons you got/get - seen a few "happy" dogs with "pleasant" owners that aren't so pleasant behind closed gates.

Perhaps when you have in excess of over twenty-five years working with "man's best friend" then it might give you some weight to stand on your little soapbox and declare your self-righteous behaviour.


Abuse is abuse, no matter what you colour it as, whether it be mental or physical.

No need to get angry and use expletives here friend, we're just having a debate is all.

I think it's better to give the dog a little discomfort in order to let them know their behaviour is unacceptable, than to let it continue and develop into a trait that results in a child getting bitten and the dog becoming an unsociable member of society and being rehomed because an owner can't handle it, or perhaps even destroyed.

Don't you think you're being a little OTT objecting to this training methodology, given the subject nature of this thread: some scumbag stealing an old dog and using him for bait with pittys? Like comparing apples and oranges really.

Do tell us more about your 25 years of experience? Did you know that feeding brisket bones constantly to dogs will ruin their teeth and give them constipation, causing scar tissue to form around their anus, which requires surgery to correct? And it won't stop them mouthing or biting either.

You implied I didn't know how to train a dog - I simply responded with evidence that says otherwise. Trophies and ribbons seem like pretty good evidence to me!

I learned this technique from someone with close to 30 years experience working with dogs, who is well-known in the film and tv industry for working with animals.

There is no unpleasantness behind closed gates at my house, but I do know what you mean. I work with a trainer who is reknowned for using only positive (and by that I mean "happy", not positive in the true dog training sense of the word) methods.

[MSTRS]

There is no fuckin difference between treating a dog and a human. Both deserve love, respect, food, shelter, discipline etc etc.



I don't know a lot about dogs, but I can see the failure of this logic....
Dogs and humans may both be pack animals in a lot of ways, but the big difference is in intelligence (well, it is in most cases). A dog operates on instinct vs training, just as we do up until around 3 years of age. Minor physical discipline is very effective at discouraging poor behaviour before it becomes entrenched. Of course, there is also the love, respect, food, shelter etc to go along with it. A pack animal is part of a hierarchy and needs to learn it's place. There is only one alpha, and woe-betide the person who lets their dog think it's him....

[nudemetalz]

That prick that's been arrested has 16 charges against him now:-

-Stealing a 14-year-old ridgeback-cross named Lincoln, valued at $200.

-Transporting his dog Dukes for the purposes of having it participate in animal fighting.

-Failing to ensure Dukes received proper protection and rapid diagnosis of any significant injury.

-Failing to ensure Lincoln received proper protection and rapid diagnosis of any significant injury.

-Was present for the purposes of witnessing the fighting or baiting of an animal, namely Lincoln.

-Encouraging and assisting a dog fight.

-Knowingly training an animal for the purposes of dog fighting.

-Confining or transporting an animal in a manner likely to cause it distress.

-Owning Dukes for the purposes of an animal-fighting venture.

-Failing to ensure Dukes received treatment to alleviate unnecessary pain and distress.

-Deserting Lincoln with no provision made to meet the dog's physical needs.

-Ill-treating Lincoln.

-Ill-treating Dukes.

-Using a place, namely Whitireia Park, for dog fighting.

-Possessing Lincoln for the purposes of an animal-fighting venture.

-Failing to comply with the Animal Welfare Act by ensuring a rapid diagnosis of any significant injury and disease.

Rot in hell, you little bastard !!! :mad: :Pokey:

[MsKABC]

Rot in hell, you little bastard !!! :mad: :Pokey:

:yes: Unfortunately he will likely get a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket :no:

[JimO]

That prick that's been arrested has 16 charges against him now:-

-Stealing a 14-year-old ridgeback-cross named Lincoln, valued at $200.

-Transporting his dog Dukes for the purposes of having it participate in animal fighting.

-Failing to ensure Dukes received proper protection and rapid diagnosis of any significant injury.

-Failing to ensure Lincoln received proper protection and rapid diagnosis of any significant injury.

-Was present for the purposes of witnessing the fighting or baiting of an animal, namely Lincoln.

-Encouraging and assisting a dog fight.

-Knowingly training an animal for the purposes of dog fighting.

-Confining or transporting an animal in a manner likely to cause it distress.

-Owning Dukes for the purposes of an animal-fighting venture.

-Failing to ensure Dukes received treatment to alleviate unnecessary pain and distress.

-Deserting Lincoln with no provision made to meet the dog's physical needs.

-Ill-treating Lincoln.

-Ill-treating Dukes.

-Using a place, namely Whitireia Park, for dog fighting.

-Possessing Lincoln for the purposes of an animal-fighting venture.

-Failing to comply with the Animal Welfare Act by ensuring a rapid diagnosis of any significant injury and disease.

Rot in hell, you little bastard !!! :mad: :Pokey:



thats got to be worth 1 months home detention and a right royal telling off from the judge

[Morcs]

Arent pitbulls illegal in NZ?

They should be. They are illegal in many other countries for good reason.

[nudemetalz]

thats got to be worth 1 months home detention and a right royal telling off from the judge

Might go for a ride around Titahi Bay with my sniper rifle across my back now that I know what he looks like....
ooops,...did I say that out loud...?

[MSTRS]

I don't know a lot about dogs, but I can see the failure of this logic....
Dogs and humans may both be pack animals in a lot of ways, but the big difference is in intelligence (well, it is in most cases). A dog operates on instinct vs training, just as we do up until around 3 years of age. Minor physical discipline is very effective at discouraging poor behaviour before it becomes entrenched. Of course, there is also the love, respect, food, shelter etc to go along with it. A pack animal is part of a hierarchy and needs to learn it's place. There is only one alpha, and woe-betide the person who lets their dog think it's him....

In fact, when I think about the above, I can't help but draw parallels with today's society...

Too many kids grow up without having been properly taught boundaries, or lack the intelligence to work it out for themselves (or the motivation, for that matter). Or some are in fact taught to lie, cheat, steal and generally covet/take what isn't theirs. Respect for others is sadly lacking in this PC world (oh...all the words are there, but the reality is that what is taken on board is the 'ME first' lesson, which does not teach self-respect, only indulgence. A valuable tool (as part of a whole range) for disciplining kids was effectively removed, and the alternatives are not necessarily as effective as a form of control/censure. The bullshit that tries to say that 'everyone is a winner' (in kid's sports, for instance) that simply fails to result in kids learning about life (winners and losers).The misguided attempt to treat 18 year olds as adults by lowering the legal drinking age (many 18yo are more than responsible, but many more lack the maturity and are no better than kids let loose in the sweetie shop.

I could go on, but you get the picture...I guess what I am trying to say is that consequences should be taught AND learned to a much higher standard than is the case today. And dogs are no different to us in this regard.

[chanceyy]

there is a clear difference between abuse & teaching an animal its place

when I got my rottie we had 2 other dogs (all 3 bitches and yes I was the 4th) she had been quite badly abused and neglected before I got her

being a strong minded dog I had to become the pack leader on our property to ensure there was no fights .. we had the odd niggle which i promptly interferred and after the second time it never happened again. What did I do .. what any other top dog would do

The interesting part was dad telling me that he could clearly see the pecking order .. me, my rott, parents lab and the old spaniel (who really did not give a shit) when I left the property my rott used to like to think she was in charge however with the training she respected other ppl and always obeyed my parents

my horses are no different .. body language is how animals communicate and its how I communicate with them .. I am the leader of my animals and as spoilt & well cared for as they are they also know their place

making situations uncomfortable to an animal to teach it not to do something and it should only take 2-3 times to get the message is far different to continual and constant beatings, kickings, neglect ..

there are far to many animals in the world who suffer the second kind

[wbks]

depends what kind of childhood they had - one can never tell until it is too late
My point was that it doesn't matter how it's raised. Of course a fight trained pit bull will be a lot less docile and trustworthy than a well trained one thats had a nice life, but they were bred very specifically to be fighters physically and mentally. So no matter how much people like to tout the argument that its all in the upbringing, it doesn't get past the science behind the breed and the countless times pitty's "snap" on a toddler or another dog for no reason which seems to surprise everyone because it was raised well and never showed aggression:stupid:

[Brett]

No need to get angry and use expletives here friend, we're just having a debate is all.

I think it's better to give the dog a little discomfort in order to let them know their behaviour is unacceptable, than to let it continue and develop into a trait that results in a child getting bitten and the dog becoming an unsociable member of society and being rehomed because an owner can't handle it, or perhaps even destroyed.

Don't you think you're being a little OTT objecting to this training methodology, given the subject nature of this thread: some scumbag stealing an old dog and using him for bait with pittys? Like comparing apples and oranges really.

Do tell us more about your 25 years of experience? Did you know that feeding brisket bones constantly to dogs will ruin their teeth and give them constipation, causing scar tissue to form around their anus, which requires surgery to correct? And it won't stop them mouthing or biting either.

You implied I didn't know how to train a dog - I simply responded with evidence that says otherwise. Trophies and ribbons seem like pretty good evidence to me!

I learned this technique from someone with close to 30 years experience working with dogs, who is well-known in the film and tv industry for working with animals.

There is no unpleasantness behind closed gates at my house, but I do know what you mean. I work with a trainer who is reknowned for using only positive (and by that I mean "happy", not positive in the true dog training sense of the word) methods.

In my humble opinion, you are right!

[Finn]

I just thought I'd clarify my post about hating animal abuses and maori scum as one of our resident "save the world" Marxists, short circunt has wet his panties over it.

While I strongly believe that the general maori population could try a little harder in life, my comment above was not racist at all. I was of course referring to the maori scum that this thread is about.

The press released the article saying they were maori. I simply added scum to the end.

[Finn]

That prick that's been arrested has 16 charges against him now:-

-Stealing a 14-year-old ridgeback-cross named Lincoln, valued at $200.

-Transporting his dog Dukes for the purposes of having it participate in animal fighting.

-Failing to ensure Dukes received proper protection and rapid diagnosis of any significant injury.

-Failing to ensure Lincoln received proper protection and rapid diagnosis of any significant injury.

-Was present for the purposes of witnessing the fighting or baiting of an animal, namely Lincoln.

-Encouraging and assisting a dog fight.

-Knowingly training an animal for the purposes of dog fighting.

-Confining or transporting an animal in a manner likely to cause it distress.

-Owning Dukes for the purposes of an animal-fighting venture.

-Failing to ensure Dukes received treatment to alleviate unnecessary pain and distress.

-Deserting Lincoln with no provision made to meet the dog's physical needs.

-Ill-treating Lincoln.

-Ill-treating Dukes.

-Using a place, namely Whitireia Park, for dog fighting.

-Possessing Lincoln for the purposes of an animal-fighting venture.

-Failing to comply with the Animal Welfare Act by ensuring a rapid diagnosis of any significant injury and disease.

Rot in hell, you little bastard !!! :mad: :Pokey:

And that was just in one day. What about the monkeys other convictions?

[avgas]

Death? Really? How does the perpetrator of this crime differ from your friendly neighbourhood drug dealer, or the owner of Bluechip?
It doesn't but you have to start with baby steps before you can run - i mean imagine the press report when the courts kill losers off our society. Its not humane, its human.

[Finn]

Here's the monkey. No surprises.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2558826/Dogfighting-accused-tries-disguise/