On Marijuana

[Skyryder]

Big read with links.

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html





Skyyrder

[CookMySock]

While that's an interesting historic read, it doesn't help the current situation. Weed fills the brain with fog, and makes ordinary jobs into onerous ones. Having said that, one of my mates is ALWAYS stoned all day, and he runs his own business from home, and he's sharp as a tack. I'm not against the stuff at all, but I have to agree that there are problems and not just benefits.

Steve

[awayatc]

My mind doesn't need chemical altering....

I like to stay in charge of myself.....

[scumdog]

I drink (at times):banana:

12 hours after I finish there's very little alcamahol in my system, nil effect any more.

How does cannabis compare to that?

[jrandom]

Weed fills the brain with fog, and makes ordinary jobs into onerous ones. Having said that, one of my mates is ALWAYS stoned all day, and he runs his own business from home, and he's sharp as a tack.

Yes, I've never been able to understand how wake-'n'-bake stoners manage to operate so well. We all seem to know someone like that, eh.

Me, I can only indulge in a smoke when I don't have anything needing doing. I certainly couldn't work stoned. Then again, I couldn't work drunk, either.

Certainly the current legal position vis-a-vis cannabis in most Western countries is rather silly. I'd try to do something about it, but oddly enough, I seem to lack motivation...

:laugh:

[jrandom]

12 hours after I finish there's very little alcamahol in my system, nil effect any more.

How does cannabis compare to that?

Assuming you're smoking it, it doesn't take twelve hours to return to sobriety after your final toke. More like two or three.

A lot of people confuse psychoactive levels of the stuff with the fact that its metabolites hang around in the body for some days.

In my experience, people who are always stoned are, quite simply, always smoking.

Smoking anything is pretty bad for you, though. Eating properly prepared cannabis is a far healthier option, but you have to be prepared to set aside a solid 12-18 hours of your life to put your feet up and be amazed by the awesomeness of the universe.

Good for holidays camping up the beach, etc.

[LBD]

I drink (at times):banana:

12 hours after I finish there's very little alcamahol in my system, nil effect any more.

How does cannabis compare to that?

Its Cabinnis you alcamoholic....n it grows wild over here and no one cares...still illegal to use it but.

THC stays in your blood for weeks, it is a problem for users who have random DNA testing at their work, when it shows positive even though they would not be under the influence.

[Sully60]

I drink (at times):banana:

12 hours after I finish there's very little alcamahol in my system, nil effect any more.



So that's why the police never breath test drivers in the morning?

As Jrandom said the psychoactive effects from smoking disappear fairly quickly as opposed to the impairment caused by alcohol.

[awayatc]

at the pubs carpark last night was a very obviously extremely drunk character
steadying himself against the drivers door before swiping over the car's roof....,
Stumbling onto the next car he did the same thing,
So I asked him what he was doing...
"juzz tryin to find my car..." he slurred
But how can you find your car by swiping the roof.....? I said
" easy....." he answered....
"mine haz got blue and red lightz on it...."

[CookMySock]

12 hours after I finish there's very little alcamahol in my system, nil effect any more. How does cannabis compare to that?The difference is, 12 hours after a substantial piss-drinking session you will emphatically not be in good shape at all. You WILL be severely dehydrated, and depending what you have been drinking, your guts might not be in good shape either. You will be very tired, and you will have some difficulty keeping your emotional state in order. In fact, this could extend to more than 48 hours, and while you will be technically legal to drive, you KNOW you should not be just for these reasons, and I doubt that any except the hardcore drinkers would contemplate doing a 700km ride while hung over, and if they did, it is more likely to be a hellava mission than a enjoyable tour.

12 hours after an average to greater-than-average stoner session, you will usually have no after effects at all. You sleep like a log, don't get hung over, and you don't get a crook guts.

That is the main reason I prefer weed to drink - the after-effects are miniscule in comparison. It is also abundantly clear to stoners, that people have feelings and that these are important, while this particular factoid seems lost on piss heads, who blindly proceed at all costs.

Does that answer your question?

Steve

[nallac]

The difference is, 12 hours after a substantial piss-drinking session you will emphatically not be in good shape at all. You WILL be severely dehydrated, and depending what you have been drinking, your guts might not be in good shape either. You will be very tired, and you will have some difficulty keeping your emotional state in order. In fact, this could extend to more than 48 hours, and while you will be technically legal to drive, you KNOW you should not be just for these reasons, and I doubt that any except the hardcore drinkers would contemplate doing a 700km ride while hung over, and if they did, it is more likely to be a hellava mission than a enjoyable tour.
Steve


And thats why i only get on the turps the friday night of the cold kiwi...

[smoky]

I love to get stoned and do 200 Klm/hr around the Coro on my bike. high speeds while totally ripped off my face on dope - it's an awesome feeling, take my helmet off and just wear a tee-shirt and just enjoy the stoned as feeling at high speeds - wicked man, freaky dude

think I'll try using 'P' to stay awake on the grand challenge next year

[CookMySock]

I love to get stoned and do 200 Klm/hr around the Coro on my bike.Yes, I saw the wink. ;) 200k? You wouldn't be able to.. You would get to about 85km/hr and that would be WELL into the :headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang: category.

edit: We should do a stoner trackday. Everyone tokes up large and then gets on the track.. :headbang::headbang::headbang: It would be funny as fuck.

Steve

[awayatc]

Everyone tokes up large and then gets on the track.. Steve

Crack you mean...?
Stoner Crackday.....

Don't see the novelty

[smoky]

It's a funny thing, but everyone reacts differently to dope

As a teenager growing up in Huntly, it seemed like everyone smoked it, I tried smoking it a lot, but never really got stoned??
I had a mate who only needed to smell the stuff and he was stoned

I have found the same with normal pain killers, they don't work that well on me - doctor said there are people with a high resistance to the chemical effects of certain drugs!
For some reason most red heads are the same! (I'm not a red head)

[McJim]

I spent about 2 years stoned out of my tiny mind between ages 18 and 21. Held down a job just fine. Smoked when I woke up - had a splif at morning tea, coupla splifs at lunch time and a good smoke on the way home.

I only stopped after I started losing chunks of memory and forgot words and people's names.

Everything in moderation I suppose.

[munterk6]

Sooooooo...now we know who the stoners are, huh? :clap::2thumbsup

[mdnzz]

Sooooooo...now we know who the stoners are, huh? :clap::2thumbsup

I think their theme song is

Roll Roll Roll your joint....
twist it at the ends...
light it up, have a toke....
and pass it too your friends....

:doobey::Punk:

[MSTRS]

Everything in moderation I suppose.

Including moderation.

[alanzs]

Time to legalise it. I don't need more government intervention in my life, so tax it if you must, but nobody really believes that the current prohibition works.
The drug war is a policy that was founded on lies and continues on and on and on. The only people who profit are the drug cartels/gangs and law enforcement agencies. Time to change the way we think about this whole drug issue.

FREEDOM IS THE ISSUE.

[Boob Johnson]

Fun when you are younger but you grow out of it (no pun intended :lol:)

Just gets boring after a while I think, would much rather have a clear head, clean lungs.

Not to say that a wee choof at a concert once in a blue moon doesn't hurt :innocent:

Agreed the current laws need looking at. Decriminalisation like South Australia is the answer IMHO.

[Paul in NZ]

I couldn't give a rats arse.... Never met anyone yet (I lead a sheltered life) that was better off because of it though... met a few that thought they were but bloody hell, if that was better off I'd have hated to see em before... Delusional....

[Bren]

Have smoked it a bit in my earlier years...Don't smoke it now..





...maybe I should smoke again


...might be better than the Viagra...:whistle:

[Paul in NZ]

Have smoked it a bit in my earlier years...Don't smoke it now..





...maybe I should smoke again


...might be better than the Viagra...:whistle:

Maybe you just won't care as much?

[Skyryder]

It’s just pure coincidence that after I posted this thread there is a piece on the CALL TO DEBATE LEGISLATION OF DRUGS. This is no the Chch Press 18 4 09.

A British report by Transform suggested Britain could save £14 billion (NZ $40 billion) by introducing a regulated drug market. The article continues in that the real cost of NZ prohibition in NZ have not been highlighted nearly enough.

I’m not convinced that commercial development of a drug industry be it pot or any other drug is the way to go. Although I have long advocated the decriminalization of marijuana.

I have not read this link but Leap is also mentioned in the Press article. It’s law enforcement based and argues for reform. A rarity indeed

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php


Another link that I have not posted up the ‘Urban Grower’ is worth a look for those interested. There’s a video on rolling joints. This guy turns it into an art form.

Skyryder

[Ixion]

It's a funny thing, but everyone reacts differently to dope

As a teenager growing up in Huntly, it seemed like everyone smoked it, I tried smoking it a lot, but never really got stoned??
I had a mate who only needed to smell the stuff and he was stoned

I..

Ditto. Tried it. "What's it supposed to do?". Tried it some more "What's it supposed to do?". Waste of time. Might as well hang over the garden rubbish fire. Tobacco was the same . Never found any painkillers that work, though I've never tried the heavy duty stuff. Aspirin, paracetamol, waste of time. "What's it supposed to do?". Rum works, but.

[Paul in NZ]

A British report by Transform suggested Britain could save £14 billion (NZ $40 billion) by introducing a regulated drug market. The article continues in that the real cost of NZ prohibition in NZ have not been highlighted nearly enough.

Skyryder

Yeah - just think how much lowering the drinking age saved us eh??

[Skyryder]

Yeah - just think how much lowering the drinking age saved us eh??

I don't see the connection.

The lowering of the drinking age had nothing to do with saving dollars but all to do with increasing the beer consumption as it was loosing out to wine sales. Shiply sold this as a social thing. I might add that I was never conned into this assumption but saw it for what it was. Doug Meyers hand in social engineering and increasing profits for the brewing industry.


Skyryder

[jrandom]

... all to do with increasing the beer consumption

I call bollocks to that particular conspiracy theory.

The drinkers brought into the fold by the lowered-age law (who were all under 18 anyhow - 18-year-olds were already drinking because they looked 21, etc) don't drink beer. They drink that sugary alcopop shit.

[Skyryder]

I call bollocks to that particular conspiracy theory.

The drinkers brought into the fold by the lowered-age law (who were all under 18 anyhow - 18-year-olds were already drinking because they looked 21, etc) don't drink beer. They drink that sugary alcopop shit.

Cal it what you like. At the time there was an in depth article on this in one of the papers. I can remember seeing a rundown on sale volume of beer and wine for the past five years. The breakdown consistantly showed a lowereing of beer volumes and an increase of wine. Some time earlier on one of the TV Sunday type programmes, don't recall which one they did a piece of wine growing. Wine sales were up on this too.


The alco pops only came in after and were deliberaltly targetted to the twenty year olds and younger, and female at that.


If ya know anyone involved in politics at the time of the lowering of the drinking age and if they know what they are about they will be able to confirm my 'conspiracy' to you.


Skyryder

[Paul in NZ]

The connection is that society needs easier access to yet another drug like it needs a hole in the head..

[Skyryder]

The connection is that society needs easier access to yet another drug like it needs a hole in the head..


Have you ever heard of trepanning. It’s an operation where a hole in the head is used to relieve pressure. It’s a pretty radical operation only carried out in extreme circumstances.

Perhaps a hole in the head is exactly what society does need to remove this scourge from our streets. But like trepanning it’s just so bloody difficult to get a volunteer.


Skyryder

[SMOKEU]

J day 2nd of May in Auckland, Hamilton, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin. High noon till 4.20

[CookMySock]

Fun when you are younger but you grow out of it (no pun intended :lol:)It was the other way around for me. I was pretty straight when I was young, but now I just have a good time. (cmon ladies!) :banana:


Just gets boring after a while I think, would much rather have a clear head, clean lungs. Not to say that a wee choof at a concert once in a blue moon doesn't hurt :innocent:Yeah the lungs thing is a worry. Two relatives younger than me have had a stroke or a heart attack. Gulp! And the brain fog takes a bit of fighting off when ya really need the grey matter to function.


I’m not convinced that commercial development of a drug industry be it pot or any other drug is the way to go.I agree. I think it might simply fail because it was not supported. Mind, the home brewing people didn't put the breweries out of business. It's just too easy to grow a plant or six, isn't it my lovelies.. :drool:


Ditto. Tried it. "What's it supposed to do?". Tried it some more "What's it supposed to do?". Waste of time.Weed actually doesn't "do" much unless you do. Toke up large and sit there and nothing will happen. Watch some cartoons. ;)


The connection is that society needs easier access to yet another drug like it needs a hole in the head..Access to weed is already trivial - that will never change now. The issue is calling people criminals because of it. They aren't criminals - they are ordinary citizens with a wide grin on their face LOL.


Steve

[SARGE]

Yes, I saw the wink. ;) 200k? You wouldn't be able to.. You would get to about 85km/hr and that would be WELL into the :headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang: category.

edit: We should do a stoner trackday. Everyone tokes up large and then gets on the track.. :headbang::headbang::headbang: It would be funny as fuck.

Steve

whats funnier... riding @ 200 stoned or a hyosung at a trackday ?

[CookMySock]

whats funnier... riding @ 200 stoned or a hyosung at a trackday ?Uh huh. Riding stoned @200 clicks would be dramatically un-funny I assure you - balls of steel required to do that. My 650 will do 220 clicks on the track - theres nothing wrong with that.

Nice try.

Steve

[SARGE]

Uh huh. Riding stoned @200 clicks would be dramatically un-funny I assure you - balls of steel required to do that.

Steve

been there .. done that .. many many many many many many times .. only in Miles Per Hour

i all growed up now ...

[jrandom]

Riding stoned @200 clicks would be dramatically un-funny I assure you

O RLY.

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[peasea]

I drink (at times):banana:

12 hours after I finish there's very little alcamahol in my system, nil effect any more.

How does cannabis compare to that?

You need to get a better drug dealer.

[Disco Dan]

I only stopped after I started losing chunks of memory and forgot words and people's names.

Everything in moderation I suppose.

Very true - Probably the only intelligent and insightful post I read on this thread.

The trouble with memory loss is you cannot remember what you have forgotten.

Want to know if your child is smoking pot?
This test was devised by a Californinan research scientist and treatment specialist, Dr Forrest Tennant.


"Ask your teenager what time they got up yesterday morning. Have them give you the time, what they did when they got up, what clothes they were wearing, what they had for breakfast, what time did you goto school etc etc make them go hour by hour through the day before. If they've lost the acetylcholine they don't know - they cant remember.

They'll give you the biggest song and dance you ever heard... well, I, you know... got up. I know I got to school... and watched TV... and I just hung out. They'll give you all these vague terms just like an Alzheimer's case. The'll avoid the question. It's not that tough, and just remember if you can do it, teenagers sure as heck ought to be able to. And if they can't do it, what you have just diagnosed, and what you don't need blood tests to confirm, is acetylcholine deficiency."

By repeatedly taking mood-altering chemicals and repeatedly altering your perception of reality you start to store debased memories, and the process of losing contact with your immediate self is set in motion. Accumulating debased drug memories is serious enough: even worse is that some mood-altering chemicals continue to debase memory and learning well after the particular "high, fix, hit" or what-have-you has worn off. If the mood-altering chemicals permanently damage the hippocampus, then memory and learning is permanently impaired.

Oh and for the adults in the room/thread - what is your earliest memory? Regular/chronic pot smokers can usually only remember as far back their teenage years some perhaps to primary school age... by the way folks - non smokers can usually remember something that happened as early as 5 years old.

Why did I put this up? Well my earliest memory is about 13 years old. Bits and pieces flash back now and again that are earlier but I have literally lost the vast majority of my childhood memories. For a drug that is "harmless" and should be legal for everyone - thats pretty devastating. Try telling your mother or father that you took a drug that effectively wiped you memories of your childhood - Mine were devastated that I could not remember all the great times and experiences of my childhood. How dare I do that to them?

For me the best 'high' is going for a run or working out in the gym for a couple of hours - natural endorphins, adrenaline - the only way to fly.

A drug that is scientifically proven to damage the human brain such as pot should stay illegal.

[Disco Dan]

O RLY.


Surely your not saying it is okay to ride while stoned??

I hope the Police hurry up and implement road side drug testing as a daily routine procedure like breath testing for alcohol is.

[Hinny]

A drug that is scientifically proven to damage the human brain such as pot should stay illegal.

Any one that does not believe this statement should read this post.http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1420832#post1420832

[Disco Dan]

Any one that does not believe this statement should read this post.http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1420832#post1420832

Anyone that does not believe this statement?

It's called 'FACT'. Not a statement. The above scientific study has numerous citations and has been crossed referenced in many scientific journals across the world.

For a person not to realise that marijuana physically damages your brain and significantly reduces your memory and ability to learn new information - is either a) current pot user or b) has the IQ of a used tea bag. - most likely both in my opinion.

[Disco Dan]

...well that shut all the stoners up.

Suddenly coming to the sad realisation that you are damaging your brain - the most complex and sophisticated object known to man.

Yeah good going aye... not so cool now is it. :lol:

[Skyryder]

So does alchohole but no one is advocating prohibition. The purpose of my post was not so much to debate the merits of dope any more than to portray it's evils but to give and indication of how it became unlawfull based on so many false assumptions. The link I posted is a fairly accurate and concise explanation of this.


Skyryder

[Forest]

I don't see the connection.

The lowering of the drinking age had nothing to do with saving dollars but all to do with increasing the beer consumption as it was loosing out to wine sales. Shiply sold this as a social thing. I might add that I was never conned into this assumption but saw it for what it was. Doug Meyers hand in social engineering and increasing profits for the brewing industry.


Skyryder

The drinking age was lowered by a conscience vote in parliament. There was no conspiracy.

The main argument was that 18 is held to be the age of majority in this country. At 18 a citizen is legally able to marry, enter into binding contracts. vote, fight, and die in service for his/her country.

There was also a hope that a european style drinking culture would begin to take hold. Unfortunately that did not happen.

[awayatc]

Biggest difference between NZ and Europe in regards to drinking age/driving age;
In Europe you can legaly drink , and sort out how you handle alcohol a few years BEFORE you are allowed to drive....

In New Zealand you are allowed to drive BEFORE you are legaly allowed to drink....
Sorting out your drinking habits while in posession of a motorvehicle.....

No way can that ever work.....,

[Mikkel]

Anyone that does not believe this statement?

It's called 'FACT'. Not a statement. The above scientific study has numerous citations and has been crossed referenced in many scientific journals across the world.

For a person not to realise that marijuana physically damages your brain and significantly reduces your memory and ability to learn new information - is either a) current pot user or b) has the IQ of a used tea bag. - most likely both in my opinion.

I must assume that you are taking the piss. If you are then no worries...

If you aren't - making a claim without supporting evidence or a reference to a supporting study is about the furthest you can get from FACT.

I could state that the earth is flat and say that it was a fact - it wouldn't mean I was right though.


...well that shut all the stoners up.

Suddenly coming to the sad realisation that you are damaging your brain - the most complex and sophisticated object known to man.

Yeah good going aye... not so cool now is it. :lol:

If you aren't taking the piss here I must say that this shit has got to be the single most condescending piece of rubbish I have yet encountered on KB.

Alcohol and tobacco we all know will cause damage to your body - red meats may also have an adverse effects upon your health. Hell, if you drink too much water too quickly that's bad for you too.

Try as we may, life will end sooner or later - whether one abstains from all "risky" activities or not. That doesn't mean that you necessarily are going to live a happy hundred years though. Living in the moment has a much greater appeal to me than being abstinate and looking forward to many decades of being old. Being a moralising wanker who lives to a ripe old age is just going to make you into an old moralising wanker.

[CookMySock]

The trouble with memory loss is you cannot remember what you have forgotten.Thats heavy, bro. Heavy.


I hope the Police hurry up and implement road side drug testing as a daily routine procedure like breath testing for alcohol is.Now you are just being mean. :Playnice:


...well that shut all the stoners up.

Suddenly coming to the sad realisation that you are damaging your brain - the most complex and sophisticated object known to man.

Yeah good going aye... not so cool now is it. :lol:Um, no. We been out riding all day.

We do get what you're saying moite. I'm a firm believer in "Do what you want - choose your your own path - learn by your own mistakes." The thing is, other people are not at the same place as you personally. So hey we might get to the same place as you and do what you do - who knows? For now, you are doing as you choose, and so are we - long may it continue.

Steve

[Disco Dan]

I must assume that you are taking the piss. If you are then no worries...

If you aren't - making a claim without supporting evidence or a reference to a supporting study is about the furthest you can get from FACT.

I could state that the earth is flat and say that it was a fact - it wouldn't mean I was right though.



If you aren't taking the piss here I must say that this shit has got to be the single most condescending piece of rubbish I have yet encountered on KB.

Alcohol and tobacco we all know will cause damage to your body - red meats may also have an adverse effects upon your health. Hell, if you drink too much water too quickly that's bad for you too.

Try as we may, life will end sooner or later - whether one abstains from all "risky" activities or not. That doesn't mean that you necessarily are going to live a happy hundred years though. Living in the moment has a much greater appeal to me than being abstinate and looking forward to many decades of being old. Being a moralising wanker who lives to a ripe old age is just going to make you into an old moralising wanker.

I am so glad your not responsible for anything important in this country.

Hmm should I believe a scientist with years of study, research, experience and moral high standing.... or a stoner on a motorbike forum with an IQ less than that of a used tea bag...

:clap:




We do get what you're saying moite. I'm a firm believer in "Do what you want - choose your your own path - learn by your own mistakes." The thing is, other people are not at the same place as you personally. So hey we might get to the same place as you and do what you do - who knows? For now, you are doing as you choose, and so are we - long may it continue.

Steve

I think that must be the most insightful thing I have read of yours on KB.

[Hinny]

It intrigues me that it seems easy to spot the posts of those that don't, or have never used cannabis.
They invariably come across as plonkers.

[DMNTD]

Hmm should I believe a scientist with years of study, research, experience and moral high standing.... or a stoner on a motorbike forum with an IQ less than that of a used tea bag...

Isn't it also interesting that these so called experts/scientists can come up with an opposing "fact" if it so suits/pays, as well?

If it's not going to hurt anyone else...go hard!

[Hinny]

The above scientific study has numerous citations and has been crossed referenced in many scientific journals across the world.

For a person not to realise that marijuana physically damages your brain and significantly reduces your memory and ability to learn new information - is either a) current pot user or b) has the IQ of a used tea bag. - most likely both in my opinion.

I take it you are referring to the Ak. University study I referenced in my post http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...32#post1420832 (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1420832#post1420832)

I believe it was 'crossed referenced' in Playboy.
I'm not sure that would be classed as a scientific journal by most however, despite the biological and cultural focus of the magazine.
I guess more glossy photos elevates it above 'journal' class.

I can understand that you might feel concerned that this clear scientific evidence is completely ignored by the majority of users of this insidious scourge of our modern society.

But what's a man to do eh? If you suggest that people should stop using it you get roundly condemned and called a plonker.
There is no justice in this world.

[Disco Dan]

I take it you are referring to the Ak. University study I referenced in my post http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...32#post1420832 (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1420832#post1420832)

I believe it was 'crossed referenced' in Playboy.
I'm not sure that would be classed as a scientific journal by most however, despite the biological and cultural focus of the magazine.
I guess more glossy photos elevates it above 'journal' class.

I can understand that you might feel concerned that this clear scientific evidence is completely ignored by the majority of users of this insidious scourge of our modern society.

But what's a man to do eh? If you suggest that people should stop using it you get roundly condemned and called a plonker.
There is no justice in this world.

The more you post the more stupid you appear to be.

I have 8 years experience working in mental health. Most recently working in drug and alcohol rehab centres. All of the places I work have vast quantities of books for the staff to read to help keep everyone upto date on the latest advances and techniques. I photocopy exerts which will help me and others as I progress through and help other people. My original post was one of them. The link you posted came across to me as a blatant 'piss take' so no, I did not read into it any further.


It intrigues me that it seems easy to spot the posts of those that don't, or have never used cannabis.
They invariably come across as plonkers.

Oh you meant me. Oh my you are having a bad day... too much of the wacky backy today I think for you. If your english language skills where as good as your disregard for factual information you would realise that my initial post said I was a previous user of marijuana. It took me many years to realise the grip the drug had over me and to hit rock bottom. I know understand the destructive nature of the drug and the huge damage it can do to the human brain.

[gatch]

Oh you meant me. Oh my you are having a bad day... too much of the wacky backy today I think for you. If your english language skills where as good as your disregard for factual information you would realise that my initial post said I was a previous user of marijuana. It took me many years to realise the grip the drug had over me and to hit rock bottom. I know understand the destructive nature of the drug and the huge damage it can do to the human brain.

You're not disco at all are you...

"You should be daaancin, yeah !", that's disco. Now dance rummy.

[Mikkel]

I am so glad your not responsible for anything important in this country.

Hmm should I believe a scientist with years of study, research, experience and moral high standing.... or a stoner on a motorbike forum with an IQ less than that of a used tea bag...

:clap:

Funny, I am quite glad I am not resposible for the messy state of affairs too.

That aside, your last posts shows us two things quite clearly - 1) you weren't taking this piss so that would make you a self-righteous, born-again, hypocritical wanker, 2) you aren't afraid to talk shit about stuff you don't even have the faintest clue about.

Thank you for playing, too bad you fail.

[Mikkel]

Isn't it also interesting that these so called experts/scientists can come up with an opposing "fact" if it so suits/pays, as well?

With an agenda, a loose grasp of statistics and a less than rigorous approach to the scientific method everything is possible mate. ;)


If it's not going to hurt anyone else...go hard!

Exactly. Life in a free world should be exactly that easy.

[jrandom]

"They'll give you the biggest song and dance you ever heard... well, I, you know... got up. I know I got to school... and watched TV... and I just hung out. They'll give you all these vague terms just like an Alzheimer's case."

:killingme

I don't think I've ever met a teenager who'd respond in any other way.


Bits and pieces flash back now and again that are earlier but I have literally lost the vast majority of my childhood memories. For a drug that is "harmless" and should be legal for everyone - thats pretty devastating.

Pfft. Nothing in life is 'harmless'.

Nobody ever held a gun to your head and forced you to spend the majority of your waking hours baked for years on end, y'know. Which is what I expect you did. You've probably smoked more weed before your thirtieth birthday than I will during the entire span of my life.

And, quite frankly, I have a sneaking suspicion you were born a little on the dumb side. No offense meant, etc.

Just remember - all things in moderation.

And am I in favour of taking the warning labels off everything and letting the idiots remove themselves from the gene pool one way or another?

In general... yes. Freedom of choice is a two-edged sword which tends, over time, to prune what needs pruning.

[jrandom]

Surely your not saying it is okay to ride while stoned??

OK or not, I'd still give you the learn, dude.

:cool:

[Hinny]

I photocopy exerts which will help me and others as I progress through and help other people.

If your english language skills where as good as your disregard for factual information ...

Some one getting tired?

[CookMySock]

If your english language skills where as good as your disregard for factual information you would realise that my initial post said I was a previous user of marijuana. It took me many years to realise the grip the drug had over me and to hit rock bottom. I know understand the destructive nature of the drug and the huge damage it can do to the human brain.:yawn:

Dude, Shut up already, geez we hear ya ok. Relax for a bit. Have a to.. oh you don't toke, disregard!

Steve

[jrandom]

Have a to.. oh you don't toke, disregard!

Well, he did up until, uh... well, at least a year ago, or so. Presumably some spectacular evidence of mental slowness scared him into giving up, although as I intimated earlier, I suspect that the weed might just be a convenient scapegoat for that.

Nothing worse than some born-again "I've just given up and now you all will too" cunt. Particularly the ones that aren't that bright.

I always thought ex cigarette smokers were the worst (particularly the ones that yoyo in and out of 'giving up') but obviously ex-stoners can be pretty bad too. (Some of them, anyway. SPB's a good cunt.)

:doobey:

[CookMySock]

Aye, yup.

Steve

[Mikkel]

Nothing worse than some born-again "I've just given up and now you all will too" cunt. Particularly the ones that aren't that bright.

So that would be all of them I guess?

Anyone who feels the need to dictate to others how they must live their lives based upon their own personal experiences with something they couldn't handle would do better to shut up and move on. In a way they are worse than those who condemn something without even an ounce of experience on the matter...

[Disco Dan]

Ahh that ol chestnut...

put others down and self justification.

It's law for a reason ya know ;)

[jrandom]

It's law for a reason ya know ;)

Sure is. And that's what the OP covered.

:yes:

[marioc]

Pot makes my video games more fun!

[R1madness]

Rather than legalise it how about considering this as an option?

The government could issue grow licences to a regulated industry. (Like the HEMP growing company out at oxford). They could control the quality and strength of the THC as well as putting a genetic marker in it for testing purposes.

Make the pot available from regulated sorces (like a bottle store) as a prerolled or roll your own package for a cheaper price than it is currently available for (currently about $11.50 per gram) from the black market.

Make it a prisonable offence to grow your own (hence the genetic marker) or have non regulated pot in your posession.. No excuses. It is now available from your local government approved "dealer".

The up sides?
Tax revenue for the government (yes it is an up side really).
Less revenue for the gangs.
A new industry here in NZ so new jobs created
More difficult access for underage users (yes i know they can still get it from their older bro but there needs to be some social responcability just like booze)
A reduction in police man hours to tackle the dreaded weed. (Will still need enforcement officers just not as many)
Cheaper prices for your smoke of choice.
Accurate labeling of product so when you pay for Afgan gold you actually get it...

Just some random thoughts now where is my pipe????"? cant seem to remember where i put it!!! Oh there it is sitting on the table now where is my bloody lighter it was red, who has stolen it. Bloody smokers they are all lighter theives.... must have something to do with not being able to remember who you borrowed it off once you have used it......

[CookMySock]

Yeah that would be cool alright - we could drive for 20mins into town to pay $15 for a skinny roll of brown dry crumbly cabbage that was "government approved" complete with government warning "warning: this shit will fuck up your head", when it won't.

Stoners are fiercely anti-establishment. Theres no way such an arrangement is going to last. Basically, the government is just going to have to ignore the three-plant home-grower "industry" completely.

Steve

[R1madness]

hehehehe yea stoners are generally anti establishment, however i am not talking about getting crappy weed, i get enough o that when i buy local....
I am talking about govt regulated that controls the quality by correct labeling and testing (sort o like the alcohol industry) not by reducing the quality.... The only way to get rid o the criminal element is to offer a better quality product at a cheaper price from more convenient locations.

Home grown is nice but eratic in quality and supply as well as risky. Buy good pot from a regulated source of known quailty for a reasonable price with no risk seems like a better option to me. I can do without the criminal tag...

[SMOKEU]

Pot should be decriminalized just like in the Netherlands. People should be allowed to grow up to 5 plants at a time for personal use only, and there should be government approved "factories" where weed is professionally grown and packaged and sold to the general public in party pill stores and bottle stores. This will take revenue away from the gangs, and the money generated from the "weed tax" could be used to fund rehab for druggies and alcoholics, or to fight poverty etc. If pot were to be grown professionally by trained horticulturists then the quality of the product would far exceed that of an average home grown crop. People pay for quality, and would rather smoke some really chronic shit than some average home grown bud. I would rather smoke something grown in controlled conditions than something which grew in someones cupboard with all sorts of added mystery chemicals.

Far too much police time and resources is currently being wasted on a cause in which is essentially a 'dead end'. The cops can bust a tinny house, only for another one to open down the road after a couple of days. If your bike got stolen or your house got broken into, surely you would want the police to do a thorough investigation rather than to be 'too busy' dealing with a couple of stoners toking up in a park or someone with a couple of plants in their cupboard.

[tri boy]

Used it infrequently-to frequently through my twenties and thities.
Lost interest in it.
The thing that bugged me most about procuring it was being made to feel like a criminal by buying off sleaze balls and shit heads.
Tried growing a few plants once, but lawn dies under my care so that also failed.
Decriminalise it to owning a couple of plants for self use.
Stoners don't go home and bash the wife and kids, so it has something going for it, unlike excessive drinkers, and P freaks.
Society has much bigger issues to deal with than Mary Jane.
MHO

[awayatc]

Was legal when I grew up in Holland......

Something you did when growing up..

They even have dial a joint.....

Not many people people there keep smoking dope as adults....

Good to have it out of the criminal sector....
Just go to a coffeshop, and buy what you want at a reasonable price.
I even remember the prices got listed in the newspaper...just like shareprices....
(Maroccan $3 a gram, yellow Lebanese $5, etc.....Every friday)
And good not to have it ruin your life because of a conviction that stays with yo for ever

And no I don't smoke dope myself

[sidecar bob]

Stoners are fiercely anti-establishment.

Steve

Yeah, thats true, & why is that?

[avgas]

How come the only guy in this video
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that says:
"Its Illegal because its a drug"......THE ONLY GUY TO SAY IT -
IS DUTCH!!!!:eek5:

[Disco Dan]

How come the only guy in this video that says:
"Its Illegal because its a drug"

Because thats how many people they included in the video! Have you no grasp of how warped the media is? A true multifaceted demographic would show a much different view than edited footage you just posted.

[CookMySock]

Yeah, thats true, & why is that?Contributing to any thread is about diverse opinion, such as yours, so why not share it?

Anti-establishment people just do that TYPE of thing. The same sort of folks learn to wheelie their motorcycle, or avoid the fuzz, or disobey their parents, skip school, play practical jokes on people, do aerobatics in planes, ride fast on the track, or smoke dope. It's not just because its illegal - that just adds to the amusement factor. These people just can never do as they are told or expected, and thats how it has to be. Even if you don't smoke dope, maybe you are one of these people? Long may the government fear these original thinkers, and long should they.

Steve

[SARGE]

It intrigues me that it seems easy to spot the posts of those that don't, or have never used cannabis.
They invariably come across as plonkers.



like the jebus freaks and fun police?


Isn't it also interesting that these so called experts/scientists can come up with an opposing "fact" if it so suits/pays, as well?




like the jebus freaks and fun police?

[sidecar bob]

Contributing to any thread is about diverse opinion, such as yours, so why not share it?

Anti-establishment people just do that TYPE of thing. The same sort of folks learn to wheelie their motorcycle, or avoid the fuzz, or disobey their parents, skip school, play practical jokes on people, do aerobatics in planes, ride fast on the track, or smoke dope. It's not just because its illegal - that just adds to the amusement factor. These people just can never do as they are told or expected, and thats how it has to be. Even if you don't smoke dope, maybe you are one of these people? Long may the government fear these original thinkers, and long should they.

Steve

Ahh, right, i just thought it was because dope made people paraniod & delusional.

[CookMySock]

Ahh, right, i just thought it was because dope made people paraniod & delusional.Nah dope just makes delusional and paranoid people act really really delusional and paranoid, so its obvious for everyone to see. Long term use for these people makes them PERMANENTLY paranoid and delusional. Bad.

It also makes fun, happy, and careful people, even more fun, happy, and careful. And thats good.

Yes, some people should not smoke dope. Or own firearms, or ride fast roadbikes, or bring up children, or, well, you get the picture. As usual, with great freedom comes great responsibility.

Steve

[Hinny]

In the immortal words of Dr Timothy Leary,
Turn on, tune in, drop out.
Forty years later I read that Neuroscientists have found God in mushrooms.
Researchers at John Hopkins University have found there is no difference between drug-induced mystical experiences and religious ones.
A universal mystical experience with life changing effects can now be produced safely in the laboratory by the hallucinogen contained in magic mushrooms.
They say there is no difference between drug-induced mystical experience and the spontaneous religious ones that believers have reported for centuries. They are descriptively identical. :woohoo:
Furthermore they argue that the potential of hallucinogenic drugs must be explored to develop new treatments for depression, drug addiction and the treatment of intolerable pain.
Is it therefore reasonable to concur there is a case to be made for banning religion on the basis that believers are trying to achieve the same outcomes as users of illicit substances? Or, conversely, decriminalising the use of drugs on religious grounds.
Cannabis has been a religious sacrament for centuries so there is a pretty good case there I would argue.
Free dope or Ban religion. Could be the catch cry for the new millennium.

[Skyryder]

They say there is no difference between drug-induced mystical experience and the spontaneous religious ones that believers have reported for centuries. They are descriptively identical. :woohoo:


Yep right on this. Ya just gota read the Book of Revelations. The Romans were known to slip drugs into the food drink to keep prisoners docile.

Ergot is probably the cause of Joan of Arc's visions alond with a number of other religouse experiances..................and in some cases the accusation of witchcraft.

There is a school of thought that the Salem witch-hunts may have had their foundation with ergot.

Then there is the self-induced psychosis by a few who can produce their own hallicinations.


Skyryder

[DMNTD]

Free dope or Ban religion. Could be the catch cry for the new millennium.

"Man made alcohol, God made dope....who do you trust?"

[Hinny]

Then there is the self-induced psychosis by a few who can produce their own hallucinations.


Skyryder

Are you referring to some of the posters on this thread? Or just KB generally.

[Skyryder]

Are you referring to some of the posters on this thread? Or just KB generally.

I was thinking of the TBN channel when I wrote that. :hug:


Skyryder

[Mikkel]

The recipe for a better world is easy:

Legalise drugs.

Ban organised religion.

:done:

[alanzs]

The recipe for a better world is easy:

Legalise drugs.

Ban organised religion.

:done:

I will vote for that! :2thumbsup

[imdying]

It took me many years to realise the grip the drug had over me and to hit rock bottom. I know (sic) understand the destructive nature of the drug and the huge damage it can do to the human brain.I now understand the motive behind your posts. You are weak, and as a result you think everybody else should abstain too :msn-wink:

[alanzs]

I now understand the motive behind your posts. You are weak, and as a result you think everybody else should abstain too :msn-wink:

The truth revealed! :doobey:

Rehab is for quitters! :2thumbsup

[mdnzz]

Ya know the worst thing about somebody who has given up something and Tells others to do the same....
They are quitters....
They couldn't handle something in their life and gave up.....

There is no freedom of choice in this world......
No matter what you say or do there will always be somebody there to Judge/condemn you.....

It does not matter what you drug of choice is, alcohol, tobacco, cannabis, adrenalin the list goes on.......

It does not matter what your background is, teacher, law enforcer, judge, politician, factory worker, parent etc etc, somebody will be there on hand to condemn your choices.....


There are several thousand + references in journals over the last century as to why any drug/substance taken by somebody can be harmful short/long term usage......

There are also several thousands of years cultures and history as to how drugs/substances are widely accepted and used openly.....

Anything and everything in moderation


It is unfortunate that the 'western' ideology has no room for anything outside of the $ and old boy networks.



:jerry::jerry::jerry::jerry::jerry::jerry:

[CookMySock]

Ya know the worst thing about somebody who has given up something and Tells others to do the same.... They are quitters.... They couldn't handle something in their life and gave up.....Tobacco smoking will do a lot of harm. Your teeth will fall out and you will look like shit. Then it will wreck your health and kill you early. It's not good.


There is no freedom of choice in this world......
No matter what you say or do there will always be somebody there to Judge/condemn you.....Criticising you doesn't remove your freedom. It's just someone elses opinion. It doesn't affect you. Let it go.

Steve

[_Shrek_]

I spent about 2 years stoned out of my tiny mind

tiz ok jimmy we still loveya tiny mind inall :bleh:

[mdnzz]

Tobacco smoking will do a lot of harm. Your teeth will fall out and you will look like shit. Then it will wreck your health and kill you early. It's not good.

Criticising you doesn't remove your freedom. It's just someone elses opinion. It doesn't affect you. Let it go.

Steve

Yes tobacco will when smoked/chewed in excess.....but so will years of not brushing your teeth and not getting broken/rotten ones repaired......

but then again there is thousands of years worth of cultures that have used it long before it became westernized and they seemed to have got on alright....

I am not advocating any use of anything just highlighting that the papers/studies all relate to the last century-ish as opposed to the usage over the past centuries.

And peoples criticism does affect other people, either positively, negatively, emotionally, physically or mentally....
To never be affected by criticism would be a serious stunt to one's mental growth.:jerry:

[scumdog]

Y

but then again there is thousands of years worth of cultures that have used it long before it became westernized and they seemed to have got on alright....

:jerry:

Of course way back then the life expectancy was probably less than 40 years anyway...

[SixPackBack]

Yes tobacco will when smoked/chewed in excess.....but so will years of not brushing your teeth and not getting broken/rotten ones repaired......

but then again there is thousands of years worth of cultures that have used it long before it became westernized and they seemed to have got on alright....

I am not advocating any use of anything just highlighting that the papers/studies all relate to the last century-ish as opposed to the usage over the past centuries.

And peoples criticism does affect other people, either positively, negatively, emotionally, physically or mentally....
To never be affected by criticism would be a serious stunt to one's mental growth.:jerry:
Cigarette smokers fully deserve criticism. Paying lots of money to consume poisonous smoke that will suck the life out of you and kill prematurely defies logic. Comparison with cannabis is invalid.

[mdnzz]

Of course way back then the life expectancy was probably less than 40 years anyway...

this will probably bring in the religious wagon.....
but parts of the readings make believe that the life expectancy was slightly longer back then.........
but reality was that 40years old was a good life.

[mdnzz]

Cigarette smokers fully deserve criticism. Paying lots of money to consume poisonous smoke that will suck the life out of you and kill prematurely defies logic. Comparison with cannabis is invalid.

I kinda think the point went over your head SPB have another :doobey:

Yes tobacco kills and its a disgusting habit......but I do not advocate nor denounce people who abuse it as long as its not in my face or home.

I did not compare it to cannabis, I put all substances in the same basket....

The reality is anything in excess will be harmfull.

[jrandom]

I put all substances in the same basket...

That's where you're going wrong, then.

A little more education and analysis would serve you well.

:niceone:

[sidecar bob]

Cigarette smokers fully deserve criticism. Paying lots of money to consume poisonous smoke that will suck the life out of you and kill prematurely defies logic. Comparison with cannabis is invalid.

I would bet that if someone ate 20 oranges a day, or 20 apples that they would be a damn site more crook a lot sooner than if they had 20 cigarettes.

[alanzs]

Tonight on National Geographic channel is a show about cannabis. Lets see if it just more of the same old bullshit spin we always hear.

[alanzs]

That's where you're going wrong, then.

A little more education and analysis would serve you well.

:niceone:

Amen brother! :hug:

[CookMySock]

Tonight on National Geographic channel is a show about cannabis. Lets see if it just more of the same old bullshit spin we always hear.I doubt it will be a "Y'all roll up now, ya hear!" show. :oi-grr:

Steve

[Skyryder]

Tonight on National Geographic channel is a show about cannabis. Lets see if it just more of the same old bullshit spin we always hear.

Any idea of time


Skyryder

[SARGE]

Tobacco smoking will do a lot of harm. Your teeth will fall out and you will look like shit. Then it will wreck your health and kill you early. It's not good.

Steve

yea .. but how many smokers do you know that are aware of that and continue smoking anyway?? .. i know smoking is gonna fuck me up eventually .. i know its costing me a ton of cash but i CHOOSE to do it ..


my boss hates it .. my wife hates it .. people in parking lots and stoplights hate it and i get yelled at like im some fuckwit 16 year old for expressing the last TRUE freedom on the planet


I ENJOY IT


get your laws and opinions the fuck off my body

[alanzs]

Any idea of time


Skyryder

I believe it is on at 8:30...

[alanzs]

I doubt it will be a "Y'all roll up now, ya hear!" show. :oi-grr:

Steve

We can always hope for something interesting... :doobey:

[mdnzz]

That's where you're going wrong, then.

A little more education and analysis would serve you well.

:niceone:

Thank you for proving my point.

Just because I do not analyze things the way you do does not necessarily equate the need for further education, although life itself is educational.

But your criticism is noted, analyzed:blank:and well:shutup:


:jerry::jerry::jerry:

[mdnzz]

seems even the top riders are doing it.:doobey:


Motorsport: Rossi hot on Stoner's heels in Japan :yes:

Linkhttp://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10568243

[jrandom]

Thank you...

Your post, there, was almost entirely content-free.

:blink:

I shall restate my point.

Different psychoactive substances are wildly different in many respects.

Information about the biochemistry of those substances assists people to understand the mental and physical health effects that can be expected from their (legal or illegal) use.

Your "I put all substances in the same basket" statement indicates that you either haven't received enough information, or haven't been capable of processing it effectively.

[doc]

my boss hates it .. my wife hates it .. people in parking lots and stoplights hate it and i get yelled at like im some fuckwit 16 year old for expressing the last TRUE freedom on the planet


I ENJOY IT


get your laws and opinions the fuck off my body

Oh your still in the denial stage. You want to join us and you will get a patch.

[doc]

Sorry forgot to mention that you get betta stiffies. SARGE needs to know this. Non smoking makes ya harder. very important when your his age. :sunny:

[mdnzz]

Your post, there, was almost entirely content-free.

:blink:

I could say the same about your reply


I shall restate my point.

Different psychoactive substances are wildly different in many respects.

Information about the biochemistry of those substances assists people to understand the mental and physical health effects that can be expected from their (legal or illegal) use.

Your "I put all substances in the same basket" statement indicates that you either haven't received enough information, or haven't been capable of processing it effectively.


Ok maybe I need to add more words so that you could comprehend this a little clearer....because my perception or analysis of something does not reflect a mirror image of yours does not equate to any education level or intake/processing of any information.

It means well heaven forbid I think differently to you
imagine that a world where people process things differently...wow

and duh of course different things have different results/effects and are used in a widely diverse spectrum.....and the information on such should be shared so that the end user has their own best informed choices to make....
their life in the end.....

have you ever heard of sub categories...maybe my 'basket' has different groups inside it, so that yes all in the same basket

I also happen to put all wankers in the same basket regardless of their biological, mental or physical uses...
does this mean I need further education or analysis because they are different?


maybe next time I'll use more words, longer sentences and a few more paragraphs for you so there's no misconceptions and you can get all the info.

[jrandom]

have you ever heard of sub categories...maybe my 'basket' has different groups inside it

That's a good enough backpedal for me.

As you were.

:niceone:

[mdnzz]

That's a good enough backpedal for me.

As you were.

:niceone:

:2thumbsup original comeback:2thumbsup
:doobey:have another an chill, I'm sure you'll find others to take your bait:woohoo:

:jerry::jerry::jerry:

[LBD]

I spent about 2 years stoned out of my tiny mind between ages 18 and 21. .


musta been good, 18 to 21 is 3 years....

I know of a young man, (cough cough)..... who was once in an unfit state to walk, let alone ride, being under the influence of alchol and marijuana....this person....(cough) relates the story of racing on his favorite road on his CB 750, around some twisties in Taranki. He (cough) has a quick glance at the speedo to make sure he was not over doing it and likely to be walking if he got caught.....which was unlikely at the less than 10 miles per hour he was riding at...

[LBD]

Heres a patch growing wild in town amoungst other "Normal" weeds

[tri boy]

Relax everybody. Pass it on.

[CookMySock]

Heres a patch growing wild in town amoungst other "Normal" weedshehe, thats wild alright. :sunny:

That must be very curious to see everyone so normalised to it. How commonly is it used in public? Is it's casual use even noticed?

Does the stuff genuinely grow wild, or were seeds scattered by people?

Steve

[tri boy]

I got photos of it when I was riding in India. Growing everywhere around Manali, as tall as 3-4mtrs on the side of the road.
Only the elderly that suffered from arthritis, and joint (pun) pain were apparently smoking some. (Locals told me this). And also a heap of Israeli ex conscripts that had finished their two year military service, and were getting high, to forget about bombing Palestinian babies.

[LBD]

this photo was mid spring, I have never noticed it being used although I do suspect it akes its way to the mie site which only has alchol testing.

Smoking it is illegal, but it is a natural wild weed and no body cares although they are supposed to remove it from their property if found. Photo was n a public street

[Mikkel]

to forget about bombing Palestinian babies.

Not the best of plans, if anything you'd expect stuff like marijuana to pry the lid off the cookie jar.

[jrandom]

... if anything you'd expect stuff like marijuana to pry the lid off the cookie jar.

Mmm, cookies.

[Sully60]

if anything you'd expect stuff like marijuana to pry the lid off the cookie jar.

Fark that must be some wicked hybrid shit if it can open cookie jars!
Pot that has it's own munchies:gob:

[Mikkel]

Fell in the cookie jar as a child...

[LBD]

Fell in the cookie jar as a child...


Bit like Oblix n lasting effects huh?

However that would explain your perminant spaced out dopiness and weedy countenance.....

(Sorry could not resist the oppertunity)

I do like Robin Williams line(Think he fell in the jar as well) when a sportsman is disqualified for testing positive to marijuana as a performance enhacing drug "Come on, the only way dope would be a performance enhancer is if they put a giant chocholate bar at the finish line..."

[Hinny]

Different psychoactive substances are wildly different in many respects.

Information about the biochemistry of those substances assists people to understand the mental and physical health effects that can be expected from their (legal or illegal) use.


A mate recently offered me a drug cocktail. He's a bit of a loose unit.
Not being that interested in experimenting with drugs I declined the offer. He persevered and told my of the contents of the cocktail.
A little 'e' to get you excited.
A little Viagra so you can do something about that 'excitement'.
A little 'p' to enable you to do it with vigour and stamina.

I changed my mind at that point.
Give the missus a shake up and a rocking good time, I thought to myself.

Well the effects came on fast and strong. When I saw her bending over getting something out of the freezer an uncontrollable horniness overcame me. The smooth curve of her butt, a little more leg ...I had to have her right there and then.

I have now been banned from Foodtown.

[R1madness]

hahahahahahhahaha bloody funny mate. Cheers I needed a laugh today.

[EJK]

:rofl:
Very good!