Peg scraping

[McWild]

OK. Enough is enough. I've deliberated on making this thread for too long. Numerous searches have been made, but I have not yet found an exact answer. So here we go.

This one time on a twisty bit of road I found myself a little hotter into a corner than ever before. So naturally I cranked it over even more. I felt my right footpeg touch down, the rear wobbled a bit and I straightened up, exited the corner, and was very scared.

What I want to know: should my pegs ever touch the ground when I corner? This felt incredibly unstable that one time, but I have randomly heard various tales of them being used to gauge distance to the ground or it being ok.
I avoid it at all costs these days, as I know more about footpeg weighting and so forth. Thanks.

[breakaway]

No, they shouldn't touch. Hang off the bike more, this will allow you to corner the bike with more 'lean angle in reserve'.

Scraping parts of the bike on the ground are dangerous because on my bike, next thing that touches the ground after the peg is the exhaust, and once that touches, it's all over.

[McWild]

Ok thank you.
Yeah my riding has developed around the idea that scraping is not good, and with the idea that the more weight and less bike going over the side the better. Glad I've cleared that up though.

[eelracing]

Good to know that if you ever get into a corner too hot again that the peg scraping option is available tho innit?

Always keep learning and even better take it to the track and have some proper fun.

[jaymzw]

This one time

This one time, at bandcamp.......:shutup:

[awayatc]

Do your pegs fold up?
If so then don't worry to much....
If they don't you better try not to touch down with em......

I scrape boards and exhaust quite regularly.....
sparks a fair bit at night.
Boards Fold up though....

[MVnut]

You should see the footpegs on my H2 .........(what footpegs haha) ...and the exhausts ....and the ............:innocent:

[Maki]

Just hang off yer bike. You should be scraping your elbows before the pegs touch down...

[EJT]

Scraping pegs is usually a sign you are getting close to maximum lean (depending on tyres of course), so would definitely lean off a bit if you are doing it regularly.

I see your bike wobbled a bit. It might be the tyre at the end of its limit if the peg swings up like most sports bikes do.

[cs363]

Scraping pegs is usually a sign you are getting close to maximum lean (depending on tyres of course), so would definitely lean off a bit if you are doing it regularly.

I see your bike wobbled a bit. It might be the tyre at the end of its limit if the peg swings up like most sports bikes do.


Yep, agreed...probably why those little blobby screws underneath them are generally called 'bank sensors' by the manufacturers. :)

[discotex]

If your pegs touch down on the road you've just run out of safety margin. Better hope like hell you don't need any more lean angle to make the corner...

The wobbling was probably the rear about to let go and dump yo arse on the ground.

[McWild]

Yes when I took the corner I was much newer to riding, I was probably weighting the inside peg anyway, which says a lot.

[robboh]

Yep, agreed...probably why those little blobby screws underneath them are generally called 'bank sensors' by the manufacturers. :)

And 'hero-bumps' by everyone else
:yes:

[Anarkist]

I scraped a peg the other day for the first time.
I laughed to myself and tried to do it again :2thumbsup

[SARGE]

I used to do it all the time on spooky..


Then i got shorter pegs ...

[CookMySock]

I often nick my boots on the ground - it was a little startling for a while. Probably I should stop riding like a gay cowboy with my boot tips pointed outward.. wheee! Or better still, stick my **ee out and see if I can get some **ee **wn.

nb. this is not a **ee **wn thread, so no **ee **wn talk.

Though, out of curiousity, whats the story nicking my **ee on the ground while wearing dririder pants? Bashing my fucked **ee on the tar seal road worries me somewhat.

Steve

[driftn]

Has it got hero bolts in the pegs? if so take them out or just do what every other Mair has done and grind them off by dragging them. When on the track I use the peg touching down as a bit of a guide, When it hits pull knee in to the fairing, try standing on the outside peg and get on the gas said line usually tightens up.

[SPman]

Pegs scraping is a sign that my enthusiasm is overcoming my laziness - it's just a warning noise to make you concentrate a bit harder.........or slow down...

[slofox]

Back in the olden days when I usta race, I always hung my boot a little outside of the peg (which did NOT fold up), so that the boot touched before the peg dug in and tipped me on my arse....kinda early warning system...hard on boot soles though...

[Shadows]

The peg feeler sometimes touches down on one side but it's always the exhaust before anything else on the other.

Fuck knows why the peg feelers on the right hand side aren't longer - they'll never touch the road unless I bin it (by which time there's not much point to them!).

[Hiflyer]

well on the coro loop i scared the hell outta maself cos i scraped my footpeg then the corner tightened so i cranked it over more and hit my sidestand mount, it was an uphill corner tho, wouldnt wanna do it again tho cos the sidestand mount doesnt fold back. . . .it makes the bike dig into the ground and throws you off balance

[Rodney007]

nutter slowdown!

[Laxi]

never had a broblem with the bike kicking when you scape the peg< half the time if it wasn't for the noise i wouldnt notice

[quickbuck]

well on the coro loop i scared the hell outta maself cos i scraped my footpeg then the corner tightened so i cranked it over more and hit my sidestand mount, it was an uphill corner tho, wouldnt wanna do it again tho cos the sidestand mount doesnt fold back. . . .it makes the bike dig into the ground and throws you off balance
A classic case of you HAVE to lean off more.....

You are right, if something that is fixed hits the ground, the weight comes off the tyres and you head to the outside of the turn of your butt!

I touched down the peg on a CB1000 on Sunday, and didn't even realise i was over that far!
Not really the style of bike you have to (or look good) hanging off like Rossi, but there you go.... You have to be cautious sometimes....
As said, a reminder to slow the F down!

[Subike]

So lets be K B correct,
I cant scrape my pegs cause its bad ridin an will upset the bike
I have 15mm of chicken strip left on my front tyre cause I dont "get it down low enuff "
But if I want to "get my knee dowm"
and "use the whole tyre including the chicken strips"
I have to get my "pegs to the metal"
Bugger!

so

I get my knee down ( grass stains on leathers are easy to remove )
I scrape my pegs , and exhaust,
I wear off the chicken strips.

mmm
beter get another bike then, as the XS11 runs out of angle , just like my old sporty use to do.

[Hiflyer]

A classic case of you HAVE to lean off more.....

You are right, if something that is fixed hits the ground, the weight comes off the tyres and you head to the outside of the turn of your butt!

I touched down the peg on a CB1000 on Sunday, and didn't even realise i was over that far!
Not really the style of bike you have to (or look good) hanging off like Rossi, but there you go.... You have to be cautious sometimes....
As said, a reminder to slow the F down!

haha yea i know i needa lean off more but im still scared to do that, nver done that before tho,

and i dont wanna get thaaat far over again either

[Hiflyer]

nutter slowdown!

hey!!! it was a mistake! :sweatdrop

[jtzzr]

well on the coro loop i scared the hell outta maself cos i scraped my footpeg then the corner tightened so i cranked it over more and hit my sidestand mount, it was an uphill corner tho, wouldnt wanna do it again tho cos the sidestand mount doesnt fold back. . . .it makes the bike dig into the ground and throws you off balance

What a nutter , take it easy buddy.

[Laxi]

I gotta checkout the side stand on a hyo, on my kwaka youd grind your leg down before getting anywhere near the stand

[Hiflyer]

What a nutter , take it easy buddy.

haha remember how i couldnt figure it out?? but yea i have now, it was an emergency thing to get round the corner as safely as i knew to

[Hiflyer]

I gotta checkout the side stand on a hyo, on my kwaka youd grind your leg down before getting anywhere near the stand

yea ok if you want bt it was uphill, s the corner hit 1st before ma knee,

[CookMySock]

haha yea i know i needa lean off more but im still scared to do that, nver done that before tho, and i dont wanna get thaaat far over again eitherReassure yourself that hanging your knee and shoulders off the bike will allow you to stand the bike more upright, so you will be safer!

Start cornering gently while using the correct posture, and just develop it slowly.

Steve

[Harvd]

jeez McWild u gotta cum out to 'puna and u will get to scrape ur whole way around the track with me in streetstock! They scrape even when you do the biggst lean off the bike you can around the sweeper Mucho Fun!

Today i scraped my exhaust where it turns into 1 pipe from 4, caused my rear to do the wiggles. Not fun

[ecnal]

try riding with a toe out postion, (have your feet angle out from the pegs when cornering0, that way your outside edge of your boot will touch first

[cs363]

try riding with a toe out postion, (have your feet angle out from the pegs when cornering0, that way your outside edge of your boot will touch first


Good theory, but in practice you're going to have a big budget for boots.....

[Laxi]

Good theory, but in practice you're going to have a big budget for boots.....

thats what toe sliders are for

[cs363]

thats what toe sliders are for

They don't last long used like that, I've seen novice guys doing exactly that at track days only to realise they've worn right through the toe slider and it's mounting and almost or completely through the leather!

[Laxi]

cant be smart 1s, I know your not supposed to use them all the time, surely they'd learn to judge the lean before they hit them more than a few times?

[cs363]

cant be smart 1s, I know your not supposed to use them all the time, surely they'd learn to judge the lean before they hit them more than a few times?

Exactly why I used the word novice :)

Judging by the OP's bike and comments I'm assuming that he is a novice rider which is why I was suggesting that method was probably not the best for him. For experienced road racers/fast road riders I agree with you and that is precisely what the toe sliders are for.
From the sounds of it I think he needs to perfect his riding style as per other posts regarding leaning/getting off the bike more etc.

[Laxi]

Exactly why I used the word novice :)

Judging by the OP's bike and comments I'm assuming that he is a novice rider which is why I was suggesting that method was probably not the best for him. For experienced road racers/fast road riders I agree with you and that is precisely what the toe sliders are for.
From the sounds of it I think he needs to perfect his riding style as per other posts regarding leaning/getting off the bike more etc.

ok, see your point, totaly agree with that

[steelestring]

My first bin was because I ran out of lean angle and dug the middle stand into the road in a negative camber right hand corner. Learn how to keep your bike upright and keep your feet the fuck out off it. Pegging is not a good sign you have no more room for error.

[mynameis]

Wait till you get your tits down.

[cs363]

I'd say get along to a track day or if you're a member of a club see if they organise club road race days and get along. You'll soon learn (especially if you can get some coaching) how to hang off the bike to keep it more upright.
Hell, back when I used to road race most if not all the bikes had considerably less ground clearance and often had fixed footpegs and no hero blobs! Not only that engines were wider (like changing alternator covers on GSX1100's in long distance races because you'd worn a hole in them from cornering....)
On a modern bike you really shouldn't be having issues with ground clearance unless you A) Need to improve your riding skills or B) A total fucking lunatic (in which case there's a bunch of Mormon's on here you can hook up with....)

[McWild]

Wait till you get your tits down.

I'm gonna have to start eating.

[mynameis]

I'm gonna have to start eating.

:lol: good forum eh ?

[yod]

:corn:....

[lostinflyz]

blah bollocks.

i rem when i started out racing. i peg scrapped like a bastard, just about fell off the side of the thing.

Stock bikes (particularily bikes of a older generation) are both low and have rear sets (pegs) that sit too low. the rear shocks are usually well past it that makes them ride low and the rear sets are designed for comfort. racers generally always replace them for higher pieces that keep them of the ground. but that doesn't mean that its not easy to scrap shit on the road,esp when you get a little over confident.

if i rem. correctly this guy rides an rg. i know most streetstock guys ground out there pegs every corner. till they get short enough.

Getting your pegs down is no biggie (so long as they are fold ups, or not if your brave, or ride a harley). if you dont like it fiddle with your riding position but stay comfy cause nothing is worse than being uncomfy. and if you really hate pegs down ride with ducks feet (toes out) and youll know when pegs are close. The last option is to slow down but that jsut aint no fun now is it.

best bets to head out to a track and try out peg scraping, hanging off and finding what works.

[Dean]

I'm no expert but this is how i believe to efficiently get around the corners safely (i will say this advice as what i would do if i wanted to corner)

What i would first do is pull my toe back, on the edge of the peg, reason being is if your foot is extending over the peg when on a lean your boot/foot will scrape the road surface. Also by me pulling my toe back i have more leverage to move my leg around

Secondly i would put my knee out, because my toes are tucked back my knee can extend right out. And move my buttocks slightly to the side i am turning.

I will countersteer so if i am turning right i will push on the right handlebar, and i will treat my bike like a door blocking my view. By this i mean i will look around the door which causes my head to move lower and get my helmet between the rear mirror and the handle bar. Whilst looking through the corner.
Correct me if i am wrong.

[smoky]

VX800 - scrapped everything on it; pegs, stand, the pipes. I was bashing it to pieces. The bike wasn't the right sort of bike for the riding I was doing, so I sold it and got the bandit
Bandit 1200s was better, took a few months before i was confident, then I found the pegs were touching down regularly. Starting climbing off the seat occasionally to compensate, until one day I didn't - pegged out and came off
Spent a shit load on Ohlins front and back, I can now I go quicker around the corners, can stay in my seat and never touch down a peg again - sweet

[beyond]

Wait till you get your tits down.

Gravity and age takes care of that mate :)

On bikes with folding pegs (most modern sports and sports tourers) they have feeler bolts on the bottom as an indicator to let you know that once these touch down you haven't got much further to go before harder bits start hitting the tarmac and that's when the weight starts to come off the rear.... with the result....down and out if you're not ready for it. Once the peg starts rumbling along the ground ligthen up your foot pressure on that peg and keep a relaxed grip on the bars. Sounds like you panicked a bit and probably tensed up, grabbing the bars harder and inducing the wobble.

The GSX1400 is an awesome bike in the twisties but has low ground clearance. I can ride it hard without touching down most the time because I use my upper body and head to lean off the bike. Rapid progress can be made this way and if the need arises you can hang off for faster progress again.

Once the pegs touch down on mine, the left side stand is next which is slowly wearing away, then the main stand on both sides, which is also slowly wearing away, then the engine mounting plate and bolts and recently I wore away the header connector clips where they meet the collector box on the right side under the engine.

No dramas, just relax, go with the flow and be prepared to momentarily stand the bike up should the rear pop out on you which has happened a few times to me when the centre stand has hit harder than normal. Just ended up in a different part of my own lane then I intended to be in which makes you rethink your apex and exits :) Only happened a few times a while back when I rode more exuberantly.

Short version: peg scrapping is quite common once you get to know your bike and happens a lot more on sports toueres than full on sports bikes.

[AD345]

The one downside to nice comfy footboards is that they do tend to get ground along the tarmc somewhat.


Ya gets used to it

[breakaway]

I use my upper body and head to lean off the bike.

Yep - that's the way to go, you can make the bike really boogey and not touch the ground.

[Cheshire Cat]

This one time, at bandcamp.......:shutup:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[TOTO]

here is a dude scraping his pegs, notice what happens after that...

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[NZsarge]

here is a dude scraping his pegs, notice what happens after that...



That guy was riding like a complete muppet and was asking that to happen, had nothing to do with any peg scraping. He was trying to ride through the corners motocross styles... Muppet!

[gwigs]

This is going to end badly.....

[TOTO]

That guy was riding like a complete muppet and was asking that to happen, had nothing to do with any peg scraping. He was trying to ride through the corners motocross styles... Muppet!

thats true Sarge. Regardless, Ive met a few peeps lately that have been riding for only a few kms and are already "scraping pegs". This vid is a good example for the likes of newbies to know what next touches the ground if you try so hard to "scrape pegs" and its you mission on a ride, rather than staying alive.

[NZsarge]

thats true Sarge. Regardless, Ive met a few peeps lately that have been riding for only a few kms and are already "scraping pegs". This vid is a good example for the likes of newbies to know what next touches the ground if you try so hard to "scrape pegs" and its you mission on a ride, rather than staying alive.

Ah yes certainly, I see your point. Newbies should absolutely not be going out to try to get their pegs to scrap. If as you learn to ride uping your skills slowly bit by bit and if it happens your pegs deck out that's one thing but to seek that out with little to no experience is'nt a good idea for sure. If it happens that the hero blobs on my bike should ground out I take it as a warning shot that i'm getting pretty close the max I should be leaning my bike and it's a warning I heed.

[KrazyGixxerBoy]

If your pegs touch down on the road you've just run out of safety margin. Better hope like hell you don't need any more lean angle to make the corner...

The wobbling was probably the rear about to let go and dump yo arse on the ground.

I agree. Farkin lucky would be my guess cos if your scrapin the pegs you better have super sticky tyres on and a beautifully sealed road!! As posted previously, hang more off the bike and you won't have to lean it so far. Also, I have screwed metal plates in the toes of my boots (cos they don't have removeable sliders) and when my foot touches the ground I know I'm right over....mind you, with size 13 feet they stick out like hell anyway!!

[mossy1200]

No, they shouldn't touch. Hang off the bike more, this will allow you to corner the bike with more 'lean angle in reserve'.

Scraping parts of the bike on the ground are dangerous because on my bike, next thing that touches the ground after the peg is the exhaust, and once that touches, it's all over.
You want to try cbr1100x 2 up.First pegs then fairing then muffler.Blue insulation tape is cheep and seems to blend in quite well.
Its hard to hang off to much when you have passenger behind you.
My t100 touches down quite often even when my arse is half metre off the edge of seat.

Like the song says
Some bikes will,some bikes wont,some bikes need a lotta luvin and some bikes dont.

All care taken not to exceed speed limits(disclaimer)

[Flip]

Probably means you have reached the available lean angle on your bike. I infrequently touch the road king down, I have got into the habit of dropping my inside shoulder forward and down to get a little more ground clearance. Works for me and I don't hold sports bikes up in the corners much.
Some bold riders seem to be able to grind the ends of their pegs off. But you know what they say about old and bold riders.......
You must have been going quite fast to touch down a RG150. At these cornering speeds you will ride rings around everybody on the WNR. I take it you were sitting bolt upright. It causes me problems when I have been out trail riding and I push the road king down and sit up in the corner which is a trail bike or slow speed riding technique.

[mossy1200]

[QUOTE=TOTO;1129312543]here is a dude scraping his pegs, notice what happens after that...


If you want to lean off the wrong side of your bike guess its cause you plan to sit on it when you come off.

[Drew]

here is a dude scraping his pegs, notice what happens after that...

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I'm pretty sure that guy was trying to get a cool shot of himself, scraping the pegs of his K2, round a couple bends. Just happened to go tits up this time.

Touching pegs down never really bothered me, and touching something solid down only ever came to grief once.

It's not a guide, and I dont think it can be used as such, but I also dont think it's something to fear like the sky falling in.

When something contacts the road, I've always found the natural response was to stand the bike up a bit. That doesn't sound like agreat idea, untill you consider how you do it in a hurry. I assume most people do it the same, and throw their body weight over the inside a bit more, to get the bike up. PRESTO, you're hanging off a bit more, and the turning circle is affected fuck all by it.

The way I see it.

Drew